enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6135 posts, RR: 13 Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11253 times:
Slow week. The giant Fall cutbacks are looming. I would expect them to be loaded in the next 3 weeks if fuel keeps increasing.
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.
How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
Please take it easy on any typos, there was a lot to type...
AA
MIA-TCB 4/WK>0 AUG-
STL-BOS 2>0 JUL-
AC
SFO-YYZ 4>5 JUN- VX announced approval for the route, AC's response
AS
These are basically all extended from mid-Aug seasonal end to Labor Day end
ANC-DEN 0>1 SEP
ANC-SFO 0>1 SEP
ANC-LAX 0>1 SEP
SEA-SIT 0>1 sep
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3662 posts, RR: 8 Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10671 times:
hard to believe that they would drop to 1 daily EWR-SJU flight.........but sure enough.
okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3749 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10363 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): These are basically all extended from mid-Aug seasonal end to Labor Day end
ANC-DEN 0>1 SEP
ANC-SFO 0>1 SEP
ANC-LAX 0>1 SEP
SEA-SIT 0>1 sep
It's surprising to see ANC-LAX only at one daily vs two daily in previous years unitl after Labor Day.
Apparently, this one did not work for them at all.
AS was pretty quick to jump on this opportunity, though. (Or, is it DL leaving because of AS entrance?).
Well, PDX is AS's turf. They might have a better chance than DL here.
Another HNL route is ending up as a short lived experiment with a life span of just 2 months (June and July only).
I guess, bookings/yields have been disappointing...
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3174 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10201 times:
Gone are the days of 6x daily CVG flights... to just about everywhere except the other hubs. The CVG bleeding continues. Looks like SBN-CVG is now at the same flight levels as FWA-CVG (though SBN is two morning departures to CVG at 0600 and 1130, while FWA-CVG has an evening departure, 1725 in addition to 0610).
I'm bewildered why IND-CVG is still there... Don't 10-15% of IND pax come from the Cincinnati metro area anyway, and doesn't IND advertise in Cincy (much like they used to advertise in Fort Wayne)?
flyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1618 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10045 times:
It looks like DL is just trying to play around with frequencies at this point without having to announce anymore cuts. I really do wish they would just get it over with already and de-hub CVG.
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6135 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9950 times:
Quoting laca773 (Reply 2): It looks like DL is doing the same with LAX-LIH/KOA as it does with LAX-CUN/PVR.
Quoting beryllium (Reply 3): Apparently, this one did not work for them at all.
AS was pretty quick to jump on this opportunity, though. (Or, is it DL leaving because of AS entrance?).
I think DL is refocusing their West operations around LAX and SEA (and SLC). Keep in mind they will slap their code on PDX-HNL. I'm sure that transition was coordinated, even though that's no technically illegal. I'd bet money that DL's bookings will largely move to AS.
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4): I'm bewildered why IND-CVG is still there... Don't 10-15% of IND pax come from the Cincinnati metro area anyway, and doesn't IND advertise in Cincy (much like they used to advertise in Fort Wayne)?
I know why!!!! Since it's cheaper to fly from IND than CVG, the CVG passengers drive to IND and then fly back to CVG to connect. LOL
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 5): It looks like DL is just trying to play around with frequencies at this point without having to announce anymore cuts. I really do wish they would just get it over with already and de-hub CVG.
It's gonna be a slow bleed just like PIT/STL/RDU/BNA/MEM. Oops, did I say MEM? That one hasn't happened *yet*. Seriously, though, I think MEM might make it a few more years, but its days are numbers. DL wants to be in big cities: NYC/ATL/DTW/LAX/SEA/MSP. I'm not even sure SLC fits long term either. I can imagine a DL-AS marger that puts the knife in SLC.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9936 times:
LoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3641 posts, RR: 38 Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9829 times:
This one has me scratching my head. According to your criteria, this begins in September?
Maybe I'm wrong, but my interpretation is that the flight doesn't begin in September. It is extended into September because he wrote
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): AS
These are basically all extended from mid-Aug seasonal end to Labor Day end
If they had ended in mid August, then in September there would have been 0 ANC-DEN flights. But because they've been extended through the end of Labor Day weekend then part of September will still have 1 ANC-DEN flight.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9799 times:
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 15 Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9604 times:
Quoting beryllium (Reply 3): Apparently, this one did not work for them at all.
AS was pretty quick to jump on this opportunity, though. (Or, is it DL leaving because of AS entrance?).
Well, PDX is AS's turf. They might have a better chance than DL here.
The DL cancellation of PDX-HNL was known before AS announced the route but who knows what went on behind the scene or when... Remember that PDX-HNL has been served continually by NW (and now DL of course) for years.
Quoting beryllium (Reply 3): Another HNL route is ending up as a short lived experiment with a life span of just 2 months (June and July only). I guess, bookings/yields have been disappointing...
The feeling is that fear of what oil prices will be at the end of summer is a primary reason for these HNL cancellations; I would be very surprised if advanced bookings were the main cause.... at least for SAN-HNL!
(BTW, there are threads discussing both SAN-HNL and PDX-HNL...)
worldtraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9469 times:
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 5): It looks like DL is just trying to play around with frequencies at this point without having to announce anymore cuts. I really do wish they would just get it over with already and de-hub CVG.
Given that DL has added frequencies for the summer, I'm not sure why you can't accept that they are going to take advantage of opportunities when they arise.
And why are you so interested in hearing that CVG is "officially dehubbed?"
In all likelihood there will never be such an announcement and since the definition of what constitutes a hub is very subjective, they can continue to call it a hub for years to come even after cancelling a whole lot more...;
but the point remains that DL will continue to operate CVG as a size that is sufficient to meet the local market and whatever connections can be profitably carried....
Quoting beryllium (Reply 3): Apparently, this one did not work for them at all.
AS was pretty quick to jump on this opportunity, though. (Or, is it DL leaving because of AS entrance?).
your assumption is that DL intended to keep this as a year round route when it is very possible their intentions were to use it as a seasonal route from the very beginning....
LAXSTEW From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 32 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9411 times:
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9313 times:
Quoting worldtraveler (Reply 11): your assumption is that DL intended to keep this as a year round route when it is very possible their intentions were to use it as a seasonal route from the very beginning....
PDX-HNL has been a daily, year-round route for a long time when NW ran it, and up until August, since it has been a DL route.
Quoting LAXSTEW (Reply 12): am i reading this correctly? down to once a week??
No you are not; it is UP to 1x daily. Once a week would be shown as "5/WK>1/WK".
(BTW, Capitalization would make your posts much more literate and readable. And welcome to A.net!)
Airport From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 1395 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9289 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 6): I can imagine a DL-AS marger that puts the knife in SLC.
No. No. No. No. And no. Sorry, I'm just incredibly weary of hearing this DL-AS merger everyone seems to push forward as if its the most logical outcome.
DL and AS are not merging. Not now. Not even remotely anytime soon. Merging with DL does very little for AS, because AS is one of the most financially secure airlines in the country. AS is not a cheap airline, either. They got that way by codesharing immensely with carriers that a DL merger would render incompatible. A DL-AS merger is not in the best interests of the company, management, employees, shareholders, and most importantly: consumers. It really is as simple as that.
Quoting LAXSTEW (Reply 12): am i reading this correctly? down to once a week??
SlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2454 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9238 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 6): It's gonna be a slow bleed just like PIT/STL/RDU/BNA/MEM. Oops, did I say MEM? That one hasn't happened *yet*. Seriously, though, I think MEM might make it a few more years, but its days are numbers. DL wants to be in big cities: NYC/ATL/DTW/LAX/SEA/MSP. I'm not even sure SLC fits long term either. I can imagine a DL-AS marger that puts the knife in SLC.
Am i missing something here i havnt seen DL add major flights at LAX or SEA?? More cuts than ads recently
Extremely slim chance that SLC goes away for DL. Even if it did SEA would not be the reason.
DL is still finishing this merger there is no way they are merging with AS anytime soon. DL is not going to create a SEA hub on its own its too expensive and not worth it. DL is not in the financial position to open a new hub right now. Maybe a few Asian flights but they have NRT which is a gem they dont need a large Asian direct hub. Its not like SEA is underserved to Asia either its gonna be tough to compete with the better service of the Asian carriers.
SEA is a horrible geographical location and cannot be a huge connection hub for domestic/Mexico travel. SLC is a fantastic geographical location for a hub out west. There are no other hubs near SLC. If anything i think SLC is one of the safest DL hubs since it has the least competition geographically or other airlines. DL makes real $ at SLC they are not going to leave unless say theoretically frontier or somebody moves a hub there but theres no gate space as of now and again its expensive to move.
LAXSTEW From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 32 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9195 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 13): No you are not; it is UP to 1x daily. Once a week would be shown as "5/WK>1/WK".
(BTW, Capitalization would make your posts much more literate and readable. And welcome to A.net!)
bb
thanks for the welcome. also, use of all lower case letters doesn't reflect literacy IMO. pretty common on many forums. (even within this very thread.)
i'm still confused on the LIH/KOA situation...the flights are already daily, so what exactly is the change? *are* they going the way of PVR/CUN? these are my respites from the normal grinds in and out of ATL/SLC/JFK.....
Airport From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 1395 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9086 times:
Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 15): Am i missing something here i havnt seen DL add major flights at LAX or SEA?? More cuts than ads recently
On top of that, service from DL's hubs to both LAX and SEA are increasing quite a bit this summer. In fact, SEA will see more flights from DL this summer than ever before. Hardly what I'd call cuts.
*Sunday through Friday
Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 15): SEA is a horrible geographical location and cannot be a huge connection hub for domestic/Mexico travel.
As a domestic connecting point, sure. But SEA also has a lot of business and a healthy amount of O&D traffic. That's where the codeshare with AS comes in. SEA is also by far the best connecting point to the State of Alaska, which isn't exactly a throwaway amount of traffic.
Also, if we're talking strictly geography, SEA is actually one of the best places for a Pacific hub. It offers by far a more direct routing than LAX or SFO to most of the United States. Don't believe me? Check out www.gcmap.com to plot the most direct routes. XXX-SEA-Japan/China/etc. will far more likely be less distance than XXX-LAX/SFO-Japan/China/etc.
DL has absolutely no need or reason to even attempt a domestic hub at SEA. But using the AS codeshare as feed, since they capture such a good percentage of the market (which will likely grow in the future as growing marketshare will be one of their main focuses for the next few years), building up a solid international network out of SEA makes more sense than what might seem on paper.
The only disadvantage SEA really has is that it doesn't have near the O&D traffic or yields on international routes that Los Angeles or San Francisco have to offer, but LAX and SFO also have a lot of competition. SEA may not grow a whole lot, but it's not going to shrink either.
Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 15): . If anything i think SLC is one of the safest DL hubs since it has the least competition geographically or other airlines.
You are correct in that SLC is safe. It's a profitable, working hub for DL. But SLC faces a lot of competition as an East-West connecting point. A lot of the SLC traffic is connecting traffic, for travelers flying SEA/PDX/SFO/LAX/SAN/etc.-NYC/CHI/BOS/WAS/ATL/etc. SLC is a good option to connect in, but so is DEN, ORD, STL, MSP and a variety of other midwestern hubs, so therefore DL does face a lot of competition, but a lot of is indirect, from WN, UA, F9, AA, and so on.
Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 15): DL makes real $ at SLC they are not going to leave unless say theoretically frontier or somebody moves a hub there
It's safe to say that F9 moving their hub to SLC is never going to happen. There's absolutely no logical reason to, none whatsoever.
ElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1515 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9051 times:
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 1): hard to believe that they would drop to 1 daily EWR-SJU flight.........but sure enough.
It's only cut for the Labor Day - Thanksgiving low travel period. Most airlines cut their schedules during that period.
deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8586 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9050 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 6): I think DL is refocusing their West operations around LAX and SEA (and SLC). Keep in mind they will slap their code on PDX-HNL. I'm sure that transition was coordinated, even though that's no technically illegal. I'd bet money that DL's bookings will largely move to AS.
I'll bet DL slaps a code on that
Quoting LAXSTEW (Reply 16): i'm still confused on the LIH/KOA situation...
Yea i don't show 5x weekly at all. I see daily all summer.
"Oh look at the sUGAr falling out of the sky! Look at the sUGAr falling out of the sky!" LM 1922-2011 Go Dawgs! G.A.T.A.
SlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2454 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 8871 times:
On top of that, service from DL's hubs to both LAX and SEA are increasing quite a bit this summer. In fact, SEA will see more flights from DL this summer than ever before. Hardly what I'd call cuts.
*Sunday through Friday
True true but Delta axed SEA-LHR and way too many routes out of LAX in the last 2 years to name here. They simply restarted a few O&D routes that could be profitable with a recovering economy I wouldn't say thats a sign for the future, yet.
deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8586 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8613 times:
Quoting Airport (Reply 17): You are correct in that SLC is safe. It's a profitable, working hub for DL. But SLC faces a lot of competition as an East-West connecting point. A lot of the SLC traffic is connecting traffic, for travelers flying SEA/PDX/SFO/LAX/SAN/etc.-NYC/CHI/BOS/WAS/ATL/etc. SLC is a good option to connect in, but so is DEN, ORD, STL, MSP and a variety of other midwestern hubs, so therefore DL does face a lot of competition, but a lot of is indirect, from WN, UA, F9, AA, and so on.
and Delta is adding a good bit of seats to SLC with them moving more A32S out there from MSP.
Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 20): True true but Delta axed SEA-LHR and way too many routes out of LAX in the last 2 years to name here. They simply restarted a few O&D routes that could be profitable with a recovering economy I wouldn't say thats a sign for the future, yet.
How long are we going to bring that up......I bet someone some where cut a route back in 1950 but i don't hear much about it now.
Anyways Delta has/will be adding LAX-SFO,LAX-LAS,LAX-SAN,LAX-RDU,LAX-CMH,LAX-BDL and added seats to LAX-HNL,OGG,MSY,JFK,ATL,CVG,MEM,DTW,MSP and IND.
[Edited 2010-04-15 17:45:11]
"Oh look at the sUGAr falling out of the sky! Look at the sUGAr falling out of the sky!" LM 1922-2011 Go Dawgs! G.A.T.A.
drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4906 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8421 times:
UA is starting IAH-LAX in September with 1 daily CR7 per www.houstonspotters.net - can anyone confirm?
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3174 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7990 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 6): I know why!!!! Since it's cheaper to fly from IND than CVG, the CVG passengers drive to IND and then fly back to CVG to connect. LOL
You are right about IND fares being lower than CVG, and pax driving to IND and connecting in CVG. But shouldn't Delta try to cut off IND-CVG much like they did with DAY-CVG, to force Cincinnati pax to stay with flying directly from the CVG hub? If DL was serious about keeping CVG a hub, they would do exactly that.
flyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1618 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7922 times:
Quoting worldtraveler (Reply 11): Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 5):
It looks like DL is just trying to play around with frequencies at this point without having to announce anymore cuts. I really do wish they would just get it over with already and de-hub CVG.
Given that DL has added frequencies for the summer, I'm not sure why you can't accept that they are going to take advantage of opportunities when they arise.
not sure what you mean by this.
Quoting worldtraveler (Reply 11): And why are you so interested in hearing that CVG is "officially dehubbed?"
In all likelihood there will never be such an announcement and since the definition of what constitutes a hub is very subjective, they can continue to call it a hub for years to come even after cancelling a whole lot more...;
Not sure what you mean by this either. Re-read my post and you'll see I said nothing about an "official dehubbing" announcement. Rather I want DL to actually just go ahead and de-hub CVG and pull it down to a regular station. However, DL appears more interested in killing us slowly. If CVG is so unprofitable and is just a thorn in their side that they make CVG out to be, then just leave already and let CVG get started on building some post-hub air service with some WN, F9, maybe B6 or VX among others.
25 enilria: LoneStarMike gets an A+. It gets confusing with service extensions which is why I added the note. SANFAN also gets an A+. Thanks! I really think it i
26 PHXtoDCAtoMSP: While I think that MEM was a big question mark, I think it has proved its place in the DL network. Top DL execs have had very positive rhetoric on th
27 deltal1011man: duh ok If/when DL/AS merge PDX will be the one that dies, as it is mostly a QX hub now anyways. DL can then beef up SEA/LAX/SLC will the AC/ employee
28 Airport: True, but that's more of a result of the fact that DL codeshare traffic jumped over the last couple of years, since they merged with NW, another very
29 deltal1011man: AMR wont stop a merger with AS. More codesharing will pretty much be stopped by the DALPA contract(yay for SCOPE!!). Plus how long does DL want to *g
30 freakyrat: Delta CVG-SBN 3>2 JUN- You fail to mention that while Delta is cutting one SBN-CVG flight They are adding 2 SBN-DTW RT flights and re-establishing
31 laca773: Why would UA do this when their sister, CO has plenty of capacity in this market?
32 deltal1011man: Why not? US has a bunch of seats on LAX-PHL...... LAX is a hub and LAX-IAH would be a smart route for UA(I thought they already had it.....but i gues
33 laca773: You have a point, deltal1011man. I guess what I was thinking, why would one want to take an express flight, when they can get a much better product o
34 deltal1011man: Well one would hope that UA would put it in a slot that CO doesn't have a flight, or UA doesn't have a coded flight to IAH. Plus they may not have an
35 FWAERJ: Makes me wonder with all these cuts if FWA-CVG might get axed soon in a similar way (drop CVG, add more DTW/MSP flights...) I hope not, but CVG is lo
36 jfklganyc: "It looks like DL is just trying to play around with frequencies at this point without having to announce anymore cuts. I really do wish they would ju
37 enilria: I don't think so. DL is getting rid of CVG right now. There is no need to take down two hubs at the same time. They will probably evaluate if MEM imp
38 WA707atMSP: The prospect of an AA - US merger has $750 / hour labor relations lawyers licking their chops, the same way a doberman would lick its chops if you pu
39 burnsie28: Another note, according to this summers schedule, the 77L will no longer fly ATL-LAX, it will switch to DTW-LAX. There is going to be very few 777's i
40 enilria: UA and US aren't gonna merge. The only thing UA wants from them is CLT. If they take DCA they probably have to ditch IAD. And you think UA-US labor g
41 WA707atMSP: It will be nice to see a widebody on DTW-LAX, for the first time since NW phased out their DC-10-40s. Prior to deregulation, AA and UA flew DTW-LAX w
42 flyguy89: um...have you been to CVG lately? it's already a ghost airport with concourses A and C mothballed. I don't expect another airline to swoop in and bri
43 Cubsrule: How do you know that Delta needs to remove more capacity than completely de-hubbing CVG would remove?
45 dlflynhayn: Dont worry some guys are just that anal... I know in the past its been 5xweek but recently i see it go out everyday.
46 burnsie28: There will also be a 763 on the route. Along with MSP-LAX
47 enilria: I think with AirTran cutting back ATL by 15%, DL would be very smart to grab those gates/passengers/market share by transplanting that capacity to AT
48 worldtraveler: And I'm telling you there won't be a point at which CVG is offficially or unofficially dehubbed. They can call it a hub with service to 20 cities on
49 Cubsrule: Unless Delta can get more gates, Delta can't grow much, and I doubt FL will relinquish gates (they will still be well in excess of what their leases
50 smoot4208: Haha that's funny....US will not be splitting up
51 flyguy89: You're absolutely right, they could do that, then again they may well not do that. PIT was downgraded from hub to focus city to spoke within a relati
52 chrisair: It is? I don't see it in the schedule...Do you know what the flight numbers are for the DTW-LAX-DTW legs?
53 PSU.DTW.SCE: The 763 & 77L flying doesn't start until June 10th. The 763 on DTW-LAX-DTW operates the 7:40pm departure out of DTW and the 11:15am departure out
54 chrisair: Many thanks. I see them now. Looks like the LAX-ATL 77L is a Fri/Sun flight.[Edited 2010-04-17 12:01:06]
55 enilria: A number of the gates FL uses at ATL are common use. DL can crowd them out of those gates. I can tell you aren't too well connected. Talks to do that
56 FutureUScapt: Having to divest one of the DC hubs because of anti-competitive concerns is certainly different from your suggestion that US might be "parted out" or
57 Cubsrule: ...or WN can crowd both of them. How much would FL have to reduce its use of the common use gates to get the total flight reduction it seeks?
58 enilria: The question is this: FL is reducing total flights by 15%. If they take all those flights off their signatory gates and keep maximizing use of the co
59 Cubsrule: There would have to be some sort of agreement somewhere to use signatory gates preferentially. Of course, if FL were to schedule creatively enough, t
60 enilria: That would be great for WN because they could simply schedule their flights in between FL's banks on the common gates.
61 deltal1011man: SLC is slowly getting smaller for WN and (by seats) SLC is growing, alot, for DL. LAX/SEA/SLC/MSP will fit nicely together, but i would say pretty mu
62 enilria: You mean PDX or ANC/PDX will go? I suspect ANC will go, but somebody is going to fly all that stuff and it makes money. I can just imagine the DL ops
63 deltal1011man: PDX and ANC but AS(and mainly QX) have alot of P2P routes on the west coast. Routes such as SJC-AUS, SFO-PSP, BOI-SJC, BOI-SMF etc. would all likely
64 enilria: I agree with most of what you posted. I wonder if they could have a partner fly some more of the intra-Alaska stuff and code share it? Trouble is tha
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