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YYC Unveils $2.4b Expansion Plan  
User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12671 times:

The Calgary Airport Authority will spend $2.4 billion over the next five years to expand its facilities, including a new 22-aircraft gate wing and the launch of the longest runway in Canada.

Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/Calgary...a/2913474/story.html#ixzz0lHJ7h5Up

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User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12323 times:

Here's some more info and a couple of pictures form YYC's site: http://www.yyc.com/Default.aspx?cid=26&lang=1

I assume that the new international concourse will accommodate transborder flights as well as International, as YYC doesn't have that many international flights. It should be easy enough to meld the current transborder areas into domestic operations, but how will WS like having their flights split between the two ends of the airport? Also, in the diagram here: http://www.yyc.com/Default.aspx?cid=311&lang=1 there doesn't appear to be any ground boarding gates for Jazz... I guess that layout isn't the final copy.

Out of curiosity, is the Deerfoot as bad as some of the comments on the Herald article suggest? If so, maybe paving over Barlow Tr won't be such a good idea, especially since there aren't any plans to connect the LRT within the next 10-15 years (according to Wikipedia). Even if the airport blames it on the city, I have a feeling that the public will still blame the airport.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 12165 times:

Quoting kevin (Thread starter):
and the launch of the longest runway in Canada.

YYC's current runway 16-34 is already the longest in Canada at 12,675 ft. and has been for quite a few years.

The only longer runway in Canada I can think of was at the now-closed Namao RCAF base (code YED) about 10 miles north of Edmonton's city center. One of its two runways was 14,000 ft., at the time one of the longest anywhere. It was extended in the 1950s or early 1960s when Namao was also used by the USAF as a refuelling tanker base during the height of the Cold War.

Namao was closed to aircraft operations sometime in the early 1990s and is now part of Canada's largest Army base, and the only aviation activities there involve helicopters. You can still see the 14,000 ft. runway (or what's left of it) on Google Maps. There are now buildings etc. on one end.
http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&sourc...692&spn=0.047894,0.152264&t=h&z=13

The former USAF tanker base was where the fairly large ramp area still exists near the southeast end of that runway, a couple of miles from the RCAF facilities at the other end. When I was growing up in Edmonton, there was an excellent air show at Namao every summer.


User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 12080 times:

That's great, but a 14,000 foot runway? Is that really necessary? I realize YYC is at 3,500 feet elevation, but how often will the full length actually be useful?


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User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 11908 times:

Quoting YXD172 (Reply 1):
Out of curiosity, is the Deerfoot as bad as some of the comments on the Herald article suggest?

It is very busy. Deerfoot is well over capacity in terms of daily volume. That said, the majority of airport travellers are already used to using Deerfoot Trail/Airport Trail as the best road connection to the airport, so I don't expect that closing Barlow Trail north of McKnight Blvd will have the impact on Deerfoot volumes that some believe it will.

The problem with closing Barlow Trail is that the NE quadrant of the city loses a free flowing connector to the far NE industrial areas north of the airport, thus pushing this volume on to Metis Trail/44 St NE... which is improved but still not as free flowing as Barlow Trail is.



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User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 938 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 11861 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 3):
That's great, but a 14,000 foot runway? Is that really necessary? I realize YYC is at 3,500 feet elevation, but how often will the full length actually be useful?

It is absolutely necessary. Not only is YYC at 3557' above sea level, but there are a number of days in the summer when the temperature can exceed 25 degrees C ( in fact, we're likely to get close to that temperature in the next week). This can create some very high density altitudes, which play havoc with takeoff performance. While smaller airliners won't need that much runway, larger aircraft absolutely will need it. Some operators that fly into (or stop) here already have to give up a fair bit of payload; I imagine that when (not if) Emirates gets their way and offers flights to Calgary, they'll benefit from the larger runway as well.



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User currently offlineYYCowboy From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 11669 times:

Looks good. I wonder what Yegmontonians response to this will be? Another boycott perhaps.


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User currently offlinecayman From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 11601 times:

is this privately finanaced? is the YYC airport authority capitlaized to undertake the expansion, or will this mean increased user fees, landing fees, and maybe an airport improvement fee or other pax surcharge?

User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5478 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 11339 times:

The airport improvement fee will go up a buck to $22.

Losing Barlow as an airport access will definitely screw up traffic to the airport. Airport access from the north east will be eliminated so everyone will have to go to the already overloaded Deerfoot to get to the airport.

They should have put the new runway on the east side of Barlow and used taxi overpasses to cross the road.

Another example of moronic traffic planning by the city of Calgary.



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User currently offlineHawaiian763 From Canada, joined May 2009, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 10154 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 8):
Losing Barlow as an airport access will definitely screw up traffic to the airport. Airport access from the north east will be eliminated so everyone will have to go to the already overloaded Deerfoot to get to the airport.

They should have put the new runway on the east side of Barlow and used taxi overpasses to cross the road.

Another example of moronic traffic planning by the city of Calgary.

I have to agree with you on that one, considering that's how most people who work at the airport and the only Transit Route get to the airport. What I don't get is the big fuss with the Northeast, people want a tunnel but it seems pointless considering they could jump on the new ring road to Country Hills and access the airport from the north. As for a longer runway it's well needed if more airlines want to fly here. I've seen a LH 343 use most of the runway up during takeoff so imagine what IT would be like for something big like the A380.


User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

Our 16000ft runway here in DEN gets used in the summer!


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User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 9211 times:

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 9):
I've seen a LH 343 use most of the runway up during takeoff so imagine what IT would be like for something big like the A380.

I don't think you can compare the performance of a A343 to the A380. From what I've seen the 380 is a much better performer despite its size.

Quoting kevin (Thread starter):
The Calgary Airport Authority will spend $2.4 billion over the next five years to expand its facilities, including a new 22-aircraft gate wing and the launch of the longest runway in Canada.

None of this news is new. Its been in the plans and on the website for quite a while now.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 9177 times:
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Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 10):
Our 16000ft runway here in DEN gets used in the summer!

Calgary vs Denver. Hmmm.

Okay, if someone were to show you side-by-side photos of downtown Calgary and downtown Denver, a person would be hard put to tell the cities apart. But I think the physical similarities end there.

Calgary is on rolling plains rather than in the mountains -- the Rockies actually begin 75 miles to the west of the city. The altitude is only 3400 feet -- 1000 feet lower than SLC and 2000 feet lower than DEN -- so the air is not really that thin. "Hot and high" flying considerations are not that important at YYC.

So a 16,000 foot runway would be nice if someone wants to pay for it. But it is not a screaming necessity
because of the climate and altitude.   

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User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1844 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 9118 times:

Quoting MrChips (Reply 5):
It is absolutely necessary. Not only is YYC at 3557' above sea level, but there are a number of days in the summer when the temperature can exceed 25 degrees C ( in fact, we're likely to get close to that temperature in the next week). This can create some very high density altitudes, which play havoc with takeoff performance. While smaller airliners won't need that much runway, larger aircraft absolutely will need it. Some operators that fly into (or stop) here already have to give up a fair bit of payload; I imagine that when (not if) Emirates gets their way and offers flights to Calgary, they'll benefit from the larger runway as well.

I would love to see some documentation of this. Bogota, Columbia is at an altitude of approximately 8500' and its two runways are only 12500' long - slightly shorter than YYC's runway. Bogota handles flights to the north of North America and to Europe daily. Possibly there are some weight restrictions, but the airport is still significantly higher than Calgary and seems to manage just fine with that length of runway.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 12):
Calgary is on rolling plains rather than in the mountains -- the Rockies actually begin 75 miles to the west of the city. The altitude is only 3400 feet -- 1000 feet lower than SLC and 2000 feet lower than DEN -- so the air is not really that thin. "Hit and high" flying considerations are not that important at YYC.

So a 16,000 foot runway would be nice if someone wants to pay for it.
But it it not a screaming necessity because of the climate and altitude.

Agreed. I really can't see how this is neccesary.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 9080 times:
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Quoting MrChips (Reply 5):
but there are a number of days in the summer when the temperature can exceed 25 degrees C

It's not that I don't take your concerns seriously. In fact, as a frequent visitor to Calgary, I do.

But now, as I sit in a plane on DCA 's 6800 ft runway in the 38 degree C summer heat common in the mid-Atlantic region, I will remind myself that all the Washington DC regional airports now need 16,000 foot runways.   


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8878 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 12):
Calgary is on rolling plains rather than in the mountains -- the Rockies actually begin 75 miles to the west of the city.

Much less than that. More like 35 or 40 miles. Banff is only 75 miles from YYC and you're in the Rockies in the Canmore and Kananaskis areas, long before you reach Banff.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):
But now, as I sit in a plane on DCA 's 6800 ft runway in the 38 degree C summer heat common in the mid-Atlantic region, I will remind myself that all the Washington DC regional airports now need 16,000 foot runways.

Aren't they talking about a 14,000 ft. runway at YYC? That's less than 1,400 ft. longer than the current longest runway. Not that big a difference, and it's cheaper and less disruptive to do it now than wait and extend it later. The Washington DC area also isn't 3500 ft ASL. It's a combination of temperature and altitude. I remember when a heavy DC-8-63 departing on the long YYC runway on a nonstop to Europe took out a couple of approach lights at the end of the runway on takeoff on a relatively hot summer day.

Having said that, YYC doesn't get many hot summer days (at least not what people in many parts of the world would consider hot). According to official weather data, YYC averages only 4.5 days a year where the maximum temperature exceeds 30C (86F), coincidentally almost equal to the 4.8 days a year where the minimum temperature is below -30C (-22F). May snowstorms aren't unheard of in YYC, and I remember one year when I lived in YYC (1991 if memory correct) it snowed on August 23...not much but enough to briefly turn the grass white.

I lived in YYC from 1969 to 1972 and again from 1990 to 1996. In my first period there, there was one winter where the maximum temperature never went above 0F (-17.8C, Canada hadn't yet switched to Metric) for 40 straight days, including at least a few days where it reached -40C (same as F). That was before global warming.


User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8660 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
May snowstorms aren't unheard of in YYC, and I remember one year when I lived in YYC (1991 if memory correct) it snowed on August 23...not much but enough to briefly turn the grass white.

Calgary's heaviest snow fall record is May 6th in the late 80's, 48cm fell that day.

I was on a flight from YYC to YWG, August long weekend 2003 and had to be deiced.


User currently offlinethreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2185 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8592 times:

Quoting A332 (Reply 4):
It is very busy. Deerfoot is well over capacity in terms of daily volume.

Hmmm, tell me how a road can be over its capacity if that much traffic is using it. Maybe there's more traffic than the road was designed for, but if you can add another vehicle, it ain't yet reached it's capacity.

Quoting MrChips (Reply 5):
I imagine that when (not if) Emirates gets their way and offers flights to Calgary

Wishful thinking will not diminish the determination of the government and its sound transportation position in the UAE/EK bilateral agreement battle.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 8):
Another example of moronic traffic planning by the city of Calgary.

Glad you said it, not me; A332 would have called me a rude name and made inflammatory accusations.

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 10):
Our 16000ft runway here in DEN gets used in the summer!

All of it? Sorry, couldn't resist. Keep in mind that DEN sits almost 2000' higher than does Calgary and has summers as warm or more so.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):
But now, as I sit in a plane on DCA 's 6800 ft runway in the 38 degree C summer heat common in the mid-Atlantic region, I will remind myself that all the Washington DC regional airports now need 16,000 foot runways.

38C is not unheard of, but it's not exactly common there. Regardless, how many of the flights departing DCA are heavily-laden long-haul flights? If performance is a concern, you can bet the aircraft are downloading fuel, payload or both. If one could lengthen the runways, they'd do so. But that won't happen.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
I remember one year when I lived in YYC...it snowed on August 23

Alberta. A province in which one can reasonably expect rogue snowfall in any of the 12 months in a given year.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4136 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8380 times:

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 10):
Our 16000ft runway here in DEN gets used in the summer!

& SLC desperately needs a longer runway (16L-34R is due to be extended to 15,500' over the next few years) so DL can better access NRT with the A330 and CDG with the 763ER on extremely hot Wasatch Front summer days.



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5010 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8349 times:

Given the state of the industry, airlines are still losing billions collectively. Canada is out of the recession but things do seem uncertain. Is it not risky for YYCAA to embark in this type of project currently. And if they are passing the buck on to the users (pax & airlines) - how are they helping the industry to recover?

Although I do believe in YYC's long-term economic potential, I am concerned with this announcement. I believe that the current facility is well suited to handle demand for at least another 10 years. The more prudent thing would have been a wait and see approach. I would have preferred that see how the industry develops over the next 2 years before going ahead with this... considering;

-oil prices back on the rise (good for Alberta/bad for industry)
-unemployment still above 10% in the US, and 8% in Canada (AB now above Canada avg I believe?)
-consolidation in the industry will inevitably mean less service


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4136 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8325 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 19):
Although I do believe in YYC's long-term economic potential, I am concerned with this announcement. I believe that the current facility is well suited to handle demand for at least another 10 years. The more prudent thing would have been a wait and see approach. I would have preferred that see how the industry develops over the next 2 years before going ahead with this... considering;

IND did a completely new terminal and concourse as well as parking structure in the mid-field of their airport over the last 5 years, and they have a similar O&D passenger load (10-12 million) as YYC and SLC. Both YYC and SLC are in need of significant facility make-overs given these current O&D loads. On top of that SLC goes double those numbers typically being the significant DL hub that it is, and YYC having a VERY large WS operation.
IND doesn't have the high metro-level grow that that both YYC and SLC have, yet there is a point where a community merely outgrows what they have. Point being is that I don't see YYC turning into PIT with too much gate and terminal space being dehubbed by US or CVG with too much runway capacity losing DL hub status. This is smart airport facility planning more than egotistical.



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5010 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8292 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 20):
IND did a completely new terminal and concourse as well as parking structure in the mid-field of their airport over the last 5 years, and they have a similar O&D passenger load (10-12 million) as YYC and SLC. Both YYC and SLC are in need of significant facility make-overs given these current O&D loads. On top of that SLC goes double those numbers typically being the significant DL hub that it is, and YYC having a VERY large WS operation.
IND doesn't have the high metro-level grow that that both YYC and SLC have, yet there is a point where a community merely outgrows what they have. Point being is that I don't see YYC turning into PIT with too much gate and terminal space being dehubbed by US or CVG with too much runway capacity losing DL hub status. This is smart airport facility planning more than egotistical.

What leads you to believe that YYC facility in constrained by capacity? Comparing SLC (serving the W.US population) and YYC (serving W.CDA) are not comparable.

The question remains, is the timing of the project critical? Are airlines and pax going to foot the bill in an industry that currently needs some price/cost stability.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8187 times:
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Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 8):
Losing Barlow as an airport access will definitely screw up traffic to the airport. Airport access from the north east will be eliminated so everyone will have to go to the already overloaded Deerfoot to get to the airport.

I understand the point -- the last time I used YYC (Jan 5th) the *only* access to the airport terminals, the rental car facility, the airport hotel, and the daily parking lots was via Barlow Trail. So cutting off the only access point doesn't actually make a lot of sense.

But a little out-of the-box thinking would have *new* access points off McKnight (isn't that where WestJet's office are?) or off Aviation or off Barlow at another point south of the current access.

Or maybe ramps directly off the Deerfoot Trail (the north-south freeway to others not from Calgary).

The main loser I see will be the Husky station on the corner of Barlow where rental car drivers fill up with cheap gas before making illegal U-turns and returning their cars to the rental facility.

By the way -- extending the C-Train into the airport has always seemed like a no-brainer to me.
But I'm from the US -- what do I know.   


User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 22):
But a little out-of the-box thinking would have *new* access points off McKnight (isn't that where WestJet's office are?) or off Aviation or off Barlow at another point south of the current access.

All of Westjets office's are in the new building at the hanger.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 22):
Or maybe ramps directly off the Deerfoot Trail (the north-south freeway to others not from Calgary).

Airport Trail runs directly off the Deerfoot on the north side of the airport.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 22):
The main loser I see will be the Husky station on the corner of Barlow where rental car drivers fill up with cheap gas before making illegal U-turns and returning their cars to the rental facility.

This portion of the road will still be open as it is the access to Airport trail and Country Hills Blvd to the north.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8079 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 21):
What leads you to believe that YYC facility in constrained by capacity? Comparing SLC (serving the W.US population) and YYC (serving W.CDA) are not comparable.

The question remains, is the timing of the project critical? Are airlines and pax going to foot the bill in an industry that currently needs some price/cost stability.

There is also a safety issue. YYC often has simultaneous operations using both runways 16-34 and 10-28 which intersect. I think there have been a few close calls. Problem is avoided with parallel runways.


25 MrChips : By car, the mountains are 75 miles away, I agree. As the crow flies, however, the summits in the first ridge of the Rockies are a mere 40 miles away
26 Aeolus : Oh man. 14,000ft of runway!!!??? It smells pretty bad of Airbus A380's service... -Aeolus
27 threepoint : It may happen, but I would say it's far from inevitable. EK will have to accept the route allotment on the Cdn government's terms; not necessarily th
28 thenoflyzone : I doubt the bilateral between Canada and the UAE will be renegociated anytime soon ! Expect EK to stay 3 weekly at YYZ for a LOOONNNG time to come ! U
29 Viscount724 : The best EK could do is try to convince EY to drop their AUH-YYZ service so they could take over their 3 frequencies which would at least give them (
30 whiteguy : Not likely now, maybe they should have used all 6 when they were offered in the first place!
31 JoeCanuck : Calgary has long been run by no brains in the traffic planning dept...the list is too long to go over but it includes every interchange on the Deerfo
32 bakersdozen : If I recall correctly all of this planning was put into motion 2-3 years ago when the economy was at it's peak. For everyone complaining of "poor pla
33 StarAC17 : That should be done but its would be expensive for an airport that recently spent $4.6 billion on the new T1. Plus you would have to do a huge enviro
34 threepoint : This isn't Lhasa everybody; Calgary is merely 3500' ASL and she ain't that hot & humid. Every aircraft that uses it on the warmer days of the yea
35 bakersdozen : So let them play the "game." It is their money and they have the room for it... It benefits the airport community in some way either in extra cargo,
36 JoeCanuck : If you're going to build a new runway, it's way cheaper in the long run to build it as long as you might conceivably need in the first place. An extra
37 surfandsnow : It's always hard to imagine what an airport will look like in 10-20 years, but the best thing to go is to look back - 10-20 years ago, where was YYC a
38 Viscount724 : I disagree. Even 40 years ago (I lived there then), YYC had many jet flights, in fact far more jets than props. And even then, YYC had two scheduled
39 threepoint : I think the concept of great circle air routes and the reality of rail networks may have escaped you. Prince George (way up there in central BC) is a
40 JoeCanuck : Prince George is in the middle of nowhere. It isn't anywhere near a major population base. It's not a hub...it's a destination...and a minor one at th
41 threepoint : Silly wabbit. The goods aren't headed TO Prince George. They're headed THROUGH Prince George. Big difference. And they've been doing so for decades.
42 Post contains links CYLW : Well, don't let the facts get in the way of your argument. See link below from Boeing. A 777-300ER (Air Canada has these) at an MTOW of over 750000lb
43 threepoint : Your point being? They require roughly 13,000' feet under those conditions. They have roughly 13,000' today. Remember these are balanced field requir
44 rikkus67 : Planning for future growth now, and getting the facilities in is far smarter than waiting until the next boom with an airport that is in dire need of
45 CYLW : Thanks for the lesson. What 14000' gives them is the ability for operators of B777s/B747s and probably A330/340/380s to go right up to Max Structural
46 A346Dude : Gee, wouldn't that be terrible if airport expansion encouraged the airport and in turn the city's economy to grow?! By this logic, airports that are
47 whiteguy : Really???? Flow control almost every day through the week even on a clear sunny day.
48 DaBuzzard : The City wants a road, they should pay for it - I don't have a big issue with that. My question is - Why close Barlow? Why not just put it back on it
49 Post contains images A332 : Simple. The road is 'designed' to safely carry a maximum traffic capacity of 'X'... and Deerfoot is currently carrying over that amount (160,000+ veh
50 threepoint : No, you said that. I said "in my 5x per week flying there experience - is rarely such that intersecting runway ops are insufficient for current and a
51 BO__einG : YYC definitely needs the new runway. Just because we're in a recession doesn't mean all these projects should be scrapped. On the contrary it is a gre
52 kgaiflyer : Yet, if it wasn't for the Winter Olympics, it might not have happened. Construction under Cambie Street upset a number of businesses who would have j
53 kgaiflyer : There are simple improvements that would improve the traveler's experience. For instance, new paint, new flooring, and new lighting would do wonders
54 JoeCanuck : The baggage carousel area is seriously cramped since they crammed in the shops and whatever else in the area, a few years back. The international depa
55 threepoint : It baffles me why schemes such as LRT are so controversial, and that politicians seem to be quite averse to them. Granted, the Canada Line constructi
56 thenoflyzone : If some of you here think YYC doesn't need a parallel, get this....... CAI (Cairo, Egypt) handled 143,000 movements a year in 2009, (a 3.6% increase c
57 whiteguy : Which baggage are would that be? The new baggage carousel's have plenty of room and I don't know how the shops upstairs affect the baggage are downst
58 kgaiflyer : Aw c'mon. You know very well that there are a few shops on the baggage level. Even I've used the Travelex kiosk when exiting Customs and gotten coffe
59 Post contains images cc2314 : all these long runways,i wish DUB had a longer runway than 8600ft
60 JoeCanuck : Every time I've landed there from overseas it's been wall to wall humanity. Compared to most other first world international airports I've flown thro
61 thenoflyzone : A new runway measuring 10,203 ft is planned to be built parallel to the existing runway 10/28. Wait a bit longer..... Thenoflyzone
62 DavidYYC : Sigh! I really am surprised about the critics here, on this expansion plan. Perhaps they should just come out here and do the planning!? Do they hones
63 kgaiflyer : Okay, I'm more confused. If someone enters the airport through Customs, there are two seperate -- fairly large -- baggage carousels in a completely d
64 VonRichtofen : Actually there's three. But even with three there are times when each carousel has 3 or 4 flights being dispensed on them within 10-15 mins of each o
65 rikkus67 : amen. amazing isn't a word I would use over-zealously.... I wonder if the hotel chains are talking (organizing) with each other about the Barlow Trai
66 C172Akula : Could they really do anything legally anyways without just wasting their money? Barlow being closed for the parallel has been in the plans for probab
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