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WestJet New U.S. Destinations?...  
User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4122 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8157 times:

With the Deal with WN officially kiboshed: http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2010/04/16/westjet-deal-off.html what new U.S. airports are we likely to see 736, 737 & 738s with WS livery over the next year or two? LGA and DCA slots are likely I've been hearing in other threads, but how much will we see if WS signs a code share deal with DL that is quite comprehensive.
LGA
DCA
JFK
BOS
DTW
ORD
MSP
ATL
SLC
are the likely destinations I beleive WS will serve to better connect with the DL network over the next several months.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26013 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8024 times:

Actually I don't really see WS changing their US route structure much even with a DL partnership except their already announced LGA slot deal.

WS US route network is very much focused primarily on popular Canadian leisure destinations such as Vegas, Florida, California etc. I don't see the business demand, or ability of Delta to magically provide the needed 100+ added passenger feed per flight to commence service to Delta hubs simply for the sake of connectivity.

On the other hand, I feel DL could do more with its Canadian flying and nicely connect at large WS cities such as YVR, YYC and YYZ while similar benefits can be enjoyed by Skyteam carriers flying to Canada.

In otherwords, I don't see WS changing its niche or route structure much, the same way Alaska has maintained its core structure regardless of the partnerships it has entered.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33182 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7953 times:

Nothing except maybe LaGuardia.

WestJet will continue to do what it does best - fly to leisure destinations primarily in Florida and the Western coast.



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5293 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7889 times:

I still think WestJet would do well to sign a deal with AA. Besides traffic feed at LGA, AA could feed traffic at the likes of YUL and YYZ. By the same token, WS could fly some of the routes that AA has shifted to Eagle at ORD over the past few years, such as ORD-YOW and ORD-YYC.

User currently offlineairceo From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7869 times:

If closer ties with DL do actually materialize and a true partnership is struck up there is zero doubt in my mind ATL will be added.

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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4122 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7725 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
WS US route network is very much focused primarily on popular Canadian leisure destinations such as Vegas, Florida, California etc

SLC on the other hand might offer WS passengers some additional California destinations other than SFO, LAX, PSP or SAN. SNA, BUR, ONT, SMF & SJC stand out.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
On the other hand, I feel DL could do more with its Canadian flying and nicely connect at large WS cities such as YVR, YYC and YYZ while similar benefits can be enjoyed by Skyteam carriers flying to Canada.

   YVR, YYC & YEG really should have mainline flights rather than 2-4 SLC/OO CRJ flights. DL/OO did try YYZ service for a few years (2006-2009), perhaps that is another WS could look at with some increased DL hub connections.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7699 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Thread starter):

ORD
are the likely destinations I beleive WS will serve to better connect with the DL network over the next several months.

How does Canada-ORD connect with the DL network? WS needs an AA partnership to take full benefit of this city.

WS would also do better to add MIA and cash in on pax traveling to S. America via AA



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User currently offlinePeteinmiami From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7640 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 6):
WS would also do better to add MIA and cash in on pax traveling to S. America via AA

WS already flies daily to MIA from YYZ

WS 1140 YYZ 10:45 MIA 13:57
WS 1141 MIA 14:45 YYZ 17:52


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33182 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7622 times:

Quoting airceo (Reply 4):
If closer ties with DL do actually materialize and a true partnership is struck up there is zero doubt in my mind ATL will be added.

But why? How many daily flights to AeroMexico, Alitalia and Avianca have to ATL?

(Answer: zero.)

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 6):

WS would also do better to add MIA and cash in on pax traveling to S. America via AA

WS has daily year-round service on Miami-Toronto, and hopefully they look at adding another route or two this coming winter, as it has done quite well.



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 940 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7556 times:

WS has stated that they are interested in ATL. But honestly whilst I would love to see them here, I doubt they will come unless they decide to do what AS did when they added one daily ATL-SEA. ATL-YYZ is dominated only with RJs from DL and Jazz. Would be great to have a 737 on the route. Wonder if they may try a nonstop YYC-ATL. They have the range as they already fly YYC-MCO.


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4122 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7525 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 6):
How does Canada-ORD connect with the DL network?

This is something that could materialize should WS decide to expand the scope of theri trans-border operations beyond the leisure California/Florida routes they are currently working. I think however this is one that would come later in the development if it did.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
WS has daily year-round service on Miami-Toronto, and hopefully they look at adding another route or two this coming winter, as it has done quite well.

WS does fly to MIA (A destination WN woun't touch with a 10' pole), as well as FLL, MCO, TPA & Ft Myers. An ATL connection could add a few lessor Florida airports such as PBI, better helping them compete with AC out of YYZ, YOW or YUL with the Canadian snowbird crowd each winter. I also might add that WS does a significant number of winter charters for Canadian tour operators like Signature or SunQuest with theri fleet of 736, 737 and 738 aircraft.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25843 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7383 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
YVR, YYC & YEG really should have mainline flights rather than 2-4 SLC/OO CRJ flights

Why? If lower-cost regional jets meet the demand, why operate more expensive mainline flights?


User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7365 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
uoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
YVR, YYC & YEG really should have mainline flights rather than 2-4 SLC/OO CRJ flights

Why? If lower-cost regional jets meet the demand, why operate more expensive mainline flights?

I think this is all premature at this point. If and when WJ and DL come to an agreement, it might make more sense doe DL to upgrade its equipment on YYC and YVR and maybe re-introduce YEG and YWG.

At the end of teh day, WJ would want to capture some of the international market to fully compete with AC, which is where DL can come in pretty handy


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4122 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7147 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 12):
I think this is all premature at this point. If and when WJ and DL come to an agreement, it might make more sense doe DL to upgrade its equipment on YYC and YVR and maybe re-introduce YEG and YWG.

If the 738 or 752 is too much, why not prior NW A319 equipment for now. There was a point during the 1990s that DL did offer 752 YYC-SLC service. Put the regional OO equipment on lessor trans-border routes such as SLC-YQL, SLC-YYJ or SLC-YQR and apply the WS code-share. Western Canada (YYC, YVR & YEG) was a big trans-border market for Delta's merger partner of over 2 decades ago Western Airlines. SLC-YYZ might be a good WS metal code share for DL/WS rather than an OO CRJ-7/9.



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User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7129 times:

WS already flies to EWR which, I've been reminded over and over on this site, is New York City despite what the maps show!

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25843 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 13):
There was a point during the 1990s that DL did offer 752 YYC-SLC service.

Yes, I flew on a DL 752 SLC-YYC (connecting from STL) sometime in the early '90s when I lived in YYC. It was almost empty, probably no more than 40 passengers.


User currently offlineYYCowboy From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

I'm suprised Westjet hasn't considered giving AA some competition on YYC - DFW.


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13699 posts, RR: 61
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6740 times:
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If they get into an agreement with DL, I wouldn't be surprised to see WS entering into some sort of additional partnership with AS, coordinating some of their schedules.

Just my $0.02 worth...



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User currently offlinecayman From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6684 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
WS has daily year-round service on Miami-Toronto, and hopefully they look at adding another route or two this coming winter, as it has done quite well

When they announced this route I was sceptical: with a ton of daily flights YYZ FLL already on both AC and WS, plus multiple daily AC and AA frequencies to MIA, it seemed like a standa-lone WS flight to MIA was over-kill. But if it's doing well, is it capturing market to north end of dade and the beaches, or cruise pax, or just overflow from FLL?


User currently offlineSlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6527 times:

Wasnt there a time that Delta flew Denver-Calgary in the 90s? I wanna say it was a 757 too?

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6490 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 10):
This is something that could materialize should WS decide to expand the scope of theri trans-border operations beyond the leisure California/Florida routes they are currently working. I think however this is one that would come later in the development if it did.

Even if it came later, why? DL's presence in ORD is minimal, and they have no intl connections from the city. It would be equal to starting a partnership with AA out of ATL.

If WS wants to get serious about grabbing more business pax traffic, they're going to need to get serious in cities like ORD, and JFK. They also need to get serious about better partnerships.

[Edited 2010-04-16 19:42:39]


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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6480 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
AeroMexico

They start and stop MEX and or CUN about every two months       



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33182 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6260 times:

Quoting cayman (Reply 18):
When they announced this route I was sceptical: with a ton of daily flights YYZ FLL already on both AC and WS, plus multiple daily AC and AA frequencies to MIA, it seemed like a standa-lone WS flight to MIA was over-kill. But if it's doing well, is it capturing market to north end of dade and the beaches, or cruise pax, or just overflow from FLL?

In general, Miami tends to attracts Ontarions and Ft. Lauderdale attracts Quebecois. Ontario snowbirds tend to go to Miami-Dade County - Aventura and Bal Harbor.



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User currently onlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4382 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6216 times:

I would like them to expand in the Pacific specifically from YYC to HNL, LIH, and OGG. Now I don't know the range of their aircraft if it is possible, but that would be fine with me. Oh and they could possibly fly to Hawaii earlier in the day. That's so I can get home before midnight.


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4122 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6137 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
There was a point during the 1990s that DL did offer 752 YYC-SLC service.

Yes, I flew on a DL 752 SLC-YYC (connecting from STL) sometime in the early '90s when I lived in YYC. It was almost empty, probably no more than 40 passengers.

And Western would pack a 733 in the pre-DL-merger days. I think the advent of the CRJ began to change things, and DL has used it to overkill mode on their trans-border routes from all their hubs. With the NW merger now getting into the rear view mirror, I think this is something they should re-think.



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25 cayman : I agree, and that makes sense, but there is still a lot of capacity from YYZ to FLL, I am sure more seats than from YUL. And way more to MIA, hence i
26 USAirways787 : Or Air Canada for that matter. USAirways787
27 SLCUT2777 : Try Western Airlines in the 1970s, they flew DEN-YYC as well as SLC-YYC.
28 whiteguy : WS is flying from YYC to HNL & OGG through Mar and Apr with the B737-700. They are weight restricted to around 100 seats and leave early in the m
29 LoneStarMike : In order for Westjet to be able to code-share with Delta at LGA, they have to get the slots first, as part of the overall DL/US slot swap deal. The w
30 Viscount724 : Western didn't fly SLC-YYC nonstop in the 1970s. Their only transborder rights from YYC then were to DEN and GTF. They had direct flights between YYC
31 SANFan : I'm wondering about the possibilites of some growth at existing US cities... like, oh, SAN for example. WS flies one route into Lindbergh Field (YYC o
32 whiteguy : So they have you believe. AC is just adjusting their capacity into other markets and SAN is not one of them in the summer.
33 mah4546 : There are more seats between FLL and YUL than between FLL and YYZ during the winter months. FLL-YUL is a larger market. Year round.
34 SANFan : And that, my friend, is a classic and beautiful example of spin! LOL!! I say last year both carriers were in the market all year, and this year, AC i
35 Post contains images whiteguy : I knew you'd like it! I think things are a bit different at AC now that CR is in charge.
36 SLCUT2777 : It came when Western shifted their hub operations to SLC during that period. Western wanted to go to DEN but the Stapleton facility lacked the space
37 Viscount724 : YYC-SAN isn't the only transborder route AC is dropping from western Canada. They are also dropping YEG-LAX and YEG-LAS (their only current transbord
38 SLCUT2777 : This one has been such a volatile YoYo in recent years, and without doubt will impact trans-border passenger loads, either way.
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