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Kim Day, Radio Interview, DIA  
User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

Kim Day, Manager of Aviation, Denver International had a interview on the radio last week.

http://www.kcfr.org/cgi-bin/comatter...=comatters.asx

Among the highlights:
* Future of DEN to become global hub – can fit ATL, ORD, DFW and LAX into Denver and still have land left over
* Denver can grow into hub as other airports become constrained
* Last two years over 50 million passengers, numbers already ahead this year from previous year
* Dependant on 787

High altitude presents some contraints
* A380 May have concerns
* Fully load cargo only on very hot days
But overall, due to its efficiency, DEN saves airlines fuel and money


Current projects
* Working on train station and rail service from Union Station in downtown Denver
* 500 room hotel
* Bridge to be designed by world-renowned architect Santiago Calatrava

Future projects
* Conversion of Great Hall, other expansions need studies
* Perhaps a seventh runway
Financing of projects will depend Congress to raise passenger fees from $4.50 to $7.00

New Nonstop Routes
* ANA, Tokyo, biggest goal but no outright commitment yet, and would be 787 (wouldn't HND as opposed to NRT be a coup?)
* Reinstate Lufthansa to Munich
* Would like a Paris route

Airport has had interests shown from
* SAS to Copenhagen
and also
* Copa Airlines
* TACA Airlines
For Latin American connections

Thoughts?

[Edited 2010-04-18 17:32:19]

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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24638 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2917 times:
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If Ms. Day gets half of what she wants, it will be impressive. But this:

Quoting point2point (Thread starter):
Financing of projects will depend Congress to raise passenger fees from $4.50 to $7.00

Sends a shudder down my spine. I'd like to know the ramifications of that, how it affects the airlines.

mariner



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User currently offlinemls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

How about they tear down the satan horse?

User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Quoting mls515 (Reply 2):
Sends a shudder down my spine. I'd like to know the ramifications of that, how it affects the airlines.

This is what I found. Don't know exactly how it'll affect the airlines. I'll do some more reading and see if I can figure this out,

http://transportation.house.gov/News/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=1151


Direct Federal assistance provides only about $3.5 billion a year for airport development. Passenger Facility Charges (PFCs) can help fill the gap between Federal investment and the needs of airport capital development. This legislation increases the PFC cap from $4.50 to $7.00. According to the FAA, this increase will generate approximately $1.3 billion a year in additional airport development if every airport currently collecting a $4.00 or $4.50 PFC raises its PFC to $7.00. The Aviation Safety and Investment Act also provides significant increases in AIP funding for smaller airports that are particularly reliant on AIP for capital financing.

Quoting mls515 (Reply 2):
How about they tear down the satan horse?

I agree with the horse, It would be better off in Mile High Stadium (Invesco field?). Maybe it'll scare the opponents some so the Broncos could win.


User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Quoting mls515 (Reply 2):
How about they tear down the satan horse?

LOL
Those eyes are crazy right at sunset, they reflect back at you and it really does look like a "satan horse"! I agree with you I would like to see that thing gone, it has already killed one person lets not keep it around and see who else ends up dead! Maybe I can take a trip over to the legal department and see if they can do anything about getting rid of the horse before we sign any new leases!!!!!



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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Having not been in Denver since the days of Stapleton, what is the Satan horse?


I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 5):
Having not been in Denver since the days of Stapleton, what is the Satan horse?

Here

http://warofillusions.wordpress.com/...n-display-blue-demon-horse-statue/

It is located in such manner that as you drive away from the airport, you see it. The Satan Horse is the first welcome one gets when driving into Denver.

It's also proof that the New World Order has its headquarters underground at DIA

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html


User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1575 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Good grief we do not need a 7th runway.

Sounds like they just want to piss away more $$$ at DIA.



A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man...
User currently offlineairfrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2822 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 1):
Sends a shudder down my spine. I'd like to know the ramifications of that, how it affects the airlines.

Each airport would be free to set it as they see fit. The money raised can only be used on projects that do not directly generate revenue (the Hotel would be a separately financed).

Quoting Brick (Reply 7):
Sounds like they just want to piss away more $$$ at DIA.

Please don't take this out of context. The projects that they are proposing are generally great ideas. The Hotel will pay for itself - especially given the distance between DEN and the next closest hotel. The train station would have a built in market just with employees, never-mind passengers from DEN.

Denver continues to invest in it's airport, and the investment continues to pay off.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1531 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Quoting point2point (Thread starter):
* Bridge to be designed by world-renowned architect Santiago Calatrava

Could someone outline this project for me please?



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User currently offlineairfrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2822 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 9):
Could someone outline this project for me please?

He will be responsible for the new train terminal, as well as two bridges over Pena blvd. The Hotel is expected to follow it's lead as well.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1531 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Quoting airfrnt (Reply 10):
He will be responsible for the new train terminal, as well as two bridges over Pena blvd. The Hotel is expected to follow it's lead as well.

I know about the train and hotel, but why and where are they adding the bridges?



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 4):
I agree with you I would like to see that thing gone, it has already killed one person lets not keep it around and see who else ends up dead!

 

How is it going to kill somebody? Is it going to come to life and breath fire at cars driving on Peña Boulevard?

Quoting Brick (Reply 7):
Good grief we do not need a 7th runway.

Check this:

With 44 square miles of land and a layout that can accommodate 12 runways, DIA is set to place its seventh runway. DIA currently has four north-south runways, which handle bad-weather arrivals and departures. Winter storms usually bring north winds. Only two runways are east-west.

But from time to time, strong winds from the west have restricted the flow of arriving and departing flights to those two runways – one of the weak links in an otherwise highly efficient airfield design.


http://www.indenvertimes.com/dia-exp...-capacity-seventh-runway-location/

Quoting FL787 (Reply 9):
Could someone outline this project for me please?

It involves building a structure just south of the Jeppesen terminal housing a train station and a 500-room hotel. The train station will be for an airport commuter rail line from Denver Union Station in downtown. Provisions will also be made for the possibility of a future intercity high-speed rail service.

Check this article for details:
http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_14704864



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

Quoting Brick (Reply 7):
Good grief we do not need a 7th runway.

Sounds like they just want to piss away more $$$ at DIA.

In the interview, she sounded as if the runway was a maybe/iffy/future thing to do after more studies, so I don't think that it's going to happen too soon.
But relatively speaking, wouldn't the runway be one of the less costly things that they could do, compared to all the rest of the stuff that they want to do?


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 11):
I know about the train and hotel, but why and where are they adding the bridges?

Bridges for the train will need to be built to go over roads and to keep it grade separated for road traffic.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1531 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 14):
Bridges for the train will need to be built to go over roads and to keep it grade separated for road traffic.

Ok thanks. I was thinking the bridges were some completely separate project from the train and hotel because it had its own bullet point and adding the architect made it sound like a bigger deal than it really is.



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 12):
How is it going to kill somebody? Is it going to come to life and breath fire at cars driving on Peña Boulevard?

Okay I was being funny but in reality that horse has already killed one person and I really wouldn't be too surprised if it did come to like and start breathing fire. Its a pretty freaky horse!



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 16):
Ok thanks. I was thinking the bridges were some completely separate project from the train and hotel because it had its own bullet point and adding the architect made it sound like a bigger deal than it really is.

Sorry, I had been listening to the interview and writing and that's how it sort of came out. The train station and bridges are part of the same project and same architect.

With that, I also remember Ms. Day saying, that even though a lot of the FasTracks will be for the employees of DIA, they are also looking into the possibility of trying to make it so that airline passengers from Union Station to DIA would be able to check their luggage in at Union Station, and then just enjoy the ride to the airport without having to be concerned about their luggage. I'm wondering how this would work, (would each airline have a gate at Union Station?) but it seems they have some sort of plan in mind.

[Edited 2010-04-18 22:27:56]

User currently offlinenyc2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 17):
I'm wondering how this would work, (would each airline have a gate at Union Station?) but it seems they have some sort of plan in mind.

I would imagine it would follow the same formula as Disney's Magical Express at MCO. You would check in at a specific counter that has acces to multiple airline's systems in Union Station. They take your bag and put it on a luggage compartment and deliver it to the airline for you at DIA.



Always wonderers if this "last and final boarding call" is in fact THE last and final boarding call.
User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1333 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

From: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/9373803/detail.html

Quote:
Part of a 32-foot sculpture was being moved with a hoist at Jimenez's New Mexico studio when it came loose and struck the artist, pinning him against a steel support, said the Lincoln County Sheriff's Department. He was taken to the Lincoln County Medical Center, where he was later pronounced dead.

Photo linked from: http://byebyebluemustang.com/


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Quoting nyc2theworld (Reply 18):
I would imagine it would follow the same formula as Disney's Magical Express at MCO. You would check in at a specific counter that has acces to multiple airline's systems in Union Station. They take your bag and put it on a luggage compartment and deliver it to the airline for you at DIA.

I figured something like that with a central check in at Union Station and then some sort of handlers at DIA to get the baggage to the correct place. But with me it's always questions like - What happens if there's time constraints/late? and - WIll there be a separate car on the train for the baggage? But I figure they'll work it our somehow if the go ahead with this. I like the idea though.

Quoting ADent (Reply 19):
Quote:
Part of a 32-foot sculpture was being moved with a hoist at Jimenez's New Mexico studio when it came loose and struck the artist, pinning him against a steel support, said the Lincoln County Sheriff's Department. He was taken to the Lincoln County Medical Center, where he was later pronounced dead.

That horse is indeed cursed....


User currently offlinenyc2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 20):
. But with me it's always questions like - What happens if there's time constraints/late? and - WIll there be a separate car on the train for the baggage?

I would imagine there would just be hard limits (for example, Magical Express schedules your return bus trip 3 hours before your flight leaves) So, just like the airlines say its T-45min till departure, we are no longer accepting checked luggage for your flight; the service could say its T-90 min till your fight departs, we cannot accept luggage for your flight. If there isn't a sperate car for my luggage, what's the point of the whole service, because then I still need to lug my luggage around the airport to a drop off point.



Always wonderers if this "last and final boarding call" is in fact THE last and final boarding call.
User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 788 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Quoting mls515 (Reply 2):
How about they tear down the satan horse?

Ha, agreed. This thing freaks me out and I see it 6-8 times per month. $6 million we taxpayers paid to have this thing constructed? Amazing.


User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 788 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

I'd also like to talk about the future viability of some of the routes Ms. Day discussed.

SK to CPH? I don't see this even though CPH has dreams of being a top connecting hub in Europe. As much difficulty as SK has had with routes to the US, this would be a tough route.

Paris route? Wouldn't this be a UA route as I'm not sure the DEN catchment area has enough O&D to Paris and/or the rest of Europe to support BA, LH, and AF routes.

The Copa/TACA thing is interesting, as I've often wondered how the DEN hub can not support more routes to Mexico and Central/South America. Not a bunch of routes but a few here and there would seem viable.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2305 times:

Quoting Bartond (Reply 23):
I'd also like to talk about the future viability of some of the routes Ms. Day discussed.

For the last group, Ms. Day stated she had been approached by these, SAS, Copa, and TACA, and she indicated these had shown interest in DEN.

So here are my guesses (and only my guesses):

As for SAS, yes, kinda silly and a pipe dream to CPH. SAS only has about 10 333s and 343s in its whole fleet capable of this distance. If it ever happened, it would probably be seasonal and less than weekly. But it could possibly work with *Alliance feed from both sides. But still a real longshot. I myself would be most surprised to see this. There are other cities from DEN into Europe that would be far better.

As for Copa, they would most likely go to PTY, and they have 737s that have the range. This could be an interesting route, time it with feed from both sides into South American cities, and maybe there could be something there. Also, working with *Alliance would help a lot. Some O&D possible, but probably not enough.

TACA is a wildcard. Either SAL or GUA? Maybe GUA a better choice? Denver does have a Guatemalan Consulate. Maybe some business ties? Would get *Alliance feed. If F9 can make SJO work as well as it does, maybe GUA (or even possibly SAL) could work seasonally and less than weekly as well.

Munich - Ms. Day seemed kind of confident would come back with the economy. Plus *Alliance feed from both sides. I thought it went well the first time around so...

Paris, who knows? This would only have a one way feed. I don't think AF wants it because of SLC. United or even possibly long shot Continental would have to take a chance of only one way feed, although it could possible work. Quite possible enough O&D seasonally.

And of course, Tokyo....Tokyo..... Tokyo. They'd put another mortgage on the airport itself for that.


25 airfrnt : Bridges are a Calatrava trademark. One bridge will be a bit further down, and will be impressive, but the second should really be a signature bridge,
26 Post contains links point2point : So are train stations, and lots of other types of architecture, from opera houses to high rises. http://www.calatrava.com/main.htm Ms. Day certainly
27 point2point : The FAA numbers for the March 2010 aircraft movements in the U.S. were release a few days ago, and the top 30 airports are listed below. ATL, ORD, DFW
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