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AeroMexico Applies For MIA-MTY  
User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

AeroMexico today applied with DOT to begin non-stop service between Miami and Monterrey, Mexico in the "near future" with a 737-700.

Now let's see if it actually ever happens or if AM is just collecting more route authorities (likely the latter). It would be nice to get back some MIA-MTY service. AA flew it a daily MD80 in the late 1990s, and then Aviacsa came and went and lasted a while until it ran into serious financial troubles and began to retreat from the United States.

No start date proposed, a change from in the past, which also indicates it is still far from certain.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26173 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Well with Aeromexico one never knows. Might just be another authority piece of paper the route planner likes to collect on his desk.

In someways, however I see MTY-MIA better suited for Aeromexico Connect using EMB190s.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Might just be another authority piece of paper the route planner likes to collect on his desk.

I get the feeling that's most likely the case.

I can picture a decent market for MTY-MIA however. I know a lot of "niñas fresas" from MTY would be in those planes for shopping in MIA and what not.  

However:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
In someways, however I see MTY-MIA better suited for Aeromexico Connect using EMB190s.

I agree.


User currently onlineMayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 333 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Fresh bait for SANFan, AeroMexico had taken too long to apply for something lately.


My other plane is an A380.
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Ah, the continuing soap opera that is AM's US route structure continues! (If "never" is still available in the MIA-MTY pool, I'll take it.)

With all the routes and cities they've chopped lately, they should certainly have plenty of a/c sitting around to use for plenty of new routes.

bb


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

Does anyone actually have a list of all the Mexico-US routes AM has applied for in recent times? No doubt that list is probably massive enough to result in a 1GB Excel file, but still, would be interesting to know.

User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

Actually, I think it can work. After all, there is capacity in MTY with the new terminal and the route is not currently served.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5):
Does anyone actually have a list of all the Mexico-US routes AM has applied for in recent times?

I don't have the entire list but I can tell you that as of late 2009, AM held 4 active route authorities from SAN (to MEX, SJD, PVR and HMO) and as of May 9, they will have no service at all in or out of SAN. You can perhaps do the extrapolation from that...

But you're right, AM is probably responsible for the employment of 3 or 4 full-time clerks at the DOT in D.C.!

bb


User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5237 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
In someways, however I see MTY-MIA better suited for Aeromexico Connect using EMB190s.

Absolutely!

Or either QA with Fokker 100/Boeing 717 would be a winner!

There's a market for this route, but a 737 or A32X is too big.

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlinepzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 8):
Or either QA with Fokker 100/Boeing 717 would be a winner!

Absolutely true. This route should be MX. If you count O&D you will certainly find enough traffic. But if you add all the feed to/from MIA AA hub then it takes different proportions.
MTY and GDL are the largest cities in Latin America that AA does not serve from MIA.
I always expected this to be a MX or AA flight, never a AM. But then again, AM never delivers.



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User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5237 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3692 times:

That's right you show off Greenland boy!

On a second thought, MX might be also able to do the job with their small A318s.

Lets see how this new application goes and if AM ever starts the route.

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlinecx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3668 times:

Quoting pzurita1 (Reply 9):
Absolutely true. This route should be MX. If you count O&D you will certainly find enough traffic. But if you add all the feed to/from MIA AA hub then it takes different proportions.

Maybe AM is trying to get the authority first to make sure MX/AA don't beat it to this route? I do understand that, if I remember correctly, both carriers could do the route under the current bi-lateral (probably overkill in business terms though), but it is always better to start it first! Just assumptions of course. . . I don't have any backup for this.


User currently offlinepzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

Quoting cx340 (Reply 11):
but it is always better to start it first!

May be, but seems as a route AM would abandon very soon.
Hopefully they could schedule it with incoming flights from Chihuahua, GDL, BJX, CJS or HMO.



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User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

Quoting pzurita1 (Reply 12):
Hopefully they could schedule it with incoming flights from Chihuahua, GDL, BJX, CJS or HMO.

Exactly. AM has more of a hub operation at MTY than MX. I hope AM can make it work.


User currently offlinecx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Quoting AM744 (Reply 13):
Exactly. AM has more of a hub operation at MTY than MX. I hope AM can make it work.

True. And MX has all of AA's feed at MIA, which would probably not guarantee a daily flight but a Click 717 a few times a week could work. In other words, I think MIA could certainly work from MTY for any of AM or MX; it is just a matter of having the right amount of flights at the right schedules.


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Quoting pzurita1 (Reply 9):
But if you add all the feed to/from MIA AA hub then it takes different proportions.
Quoting cx340 (Reply 14):
And MX has all of AA's feed at MIA

When it comes to connections MIA doesn't strike me as a valuable destination for MX from MTY. I can see lots of connections to South America, but then again, how big is the MTY-South America market? Other than the US southeast mostly elsewhere is better connected through DFW.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Quoting AM744 (Reply 15):
When it comes to connections MIA doesn't strike me as a valuable destination for MX from MTY. I can see lots of connections to South America, but then again, how big is the MTY-South America market? Other than the US southeast mostly elsewhere is better connected through DFW.

The Caribbean. Given the wealth there is in the city, there is a strong amount of leisure traffic to the Caribbean, not to mention Miami and Orlando.



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User currently offlinecx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 16):
The Caribbean. Given the wealth there is in the city, there is a strong amount of leisure traffic to the Caribbean, not to mention Miami and Orlando.

Precisely. Most regios I know (and I do have very very close ties and know quite a few) often travel to Florida-Carribean for both leisure and business purposes. Sure, probably AM or MX won't be able to fill a 737 or A319 series plane and fares would have to be rather low, but a regional jet a few times a week would probably do just fine.I believe I read somewhere Aviacsa was actually doing ok with the route, so I'm assuming (no evidence) that cancelling it had more to do with the overall problems of Aviacsa that ended as we all know, than with the actual route.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

Quoting cx340 (Reply 17):
I believe I read somewhere Aviacsa was actually doing ok with the route, so I'm assuming (no evidence) that cancelling it had more to do with the overall problems of Aviacsa that ended as we all know, than with the actual route.

Aviacsa was doing fine, and was averaging around 70% loads on its daily service, which is quite typical of medium-haul routes between Miami and the region.

Aviacsa was set to return to MIA after its haitius and flights were in GDS and all, but that all went into flat when Aviacsa got into even more trouble.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Starts June 28th, 2010:

AM 424 MTY 1015-1415 M87 Daily
AM 425 MIA 1515-1715 M87 Daily



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User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):
Starts June 28th, 2010:

AM 424 MTY 1015-1415 M87 Daily
AM 425 MIA 1515-1715 M87 Daily

So its ACTUALLY going, best of luck Aeromexico

very interesting they went with the mad-dog on this route, 140 seats on MIA-MTY, hum


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 20):
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):
Starts June 28th, 2010:

AM 424 MTY 1015-1415 M87 Daily
AM 425 MIA 1515-1715 M87 Daily

So its ACTUALLY going, best of luck Aeromexico

very interesting they went with the mad-dog on this route, 140 seats on MIA-MTY, hum

You know what I just realized: nobody flies LAX-MTY non-stop. Since when?



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User currently offlinevingt20cent From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):
Starts June 28th, 2010:

AM 424 MTY 1015-1415 M87 Daily
AM 425 MIA 1515-1715 M87 Daily

That's interesting. . considering a couple of days ago, it was actually loaded onto their site. I checked the next day, and the option of MTY-MIA-MTY was not there.

I hope that this route works, considering they seem to be struggling to find their "identity" in Mexican aviation!


User currently offlinepzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Very good news indeed.... I think it will be a hit!


Next flight: IAH-DBX-MRU-ANT
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):
AM 424 MTY 1015-1415 M87 Daily
AM 425 MIA 1515-1715 M87 Daily

Awesome! Did not know AM had kept MD-87s. I thought those planes were all gone and AM was getting E-190s to have a replacement 100-seater.

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 20):
140 seats on MIA-MTY, hum

More like 100 per day in 2 classes if it is an MD-87.

Quoting pzurita1 (Reply 23):
I think it will be a hit!

I sure hope so. All the best to AM!  



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
25 mah4546 : Actually, that is correct.The MD-80s are gone, but its listed as an M87. Not sure what's going on there.
26 EddieDude : Maybe a mistake when they made the filing? If they want to offer 100 seats, the E190 is no doubt the best (and only) choice.
27 LAXintl : Mexicana discontinued last summer as part of the H1N1 fallout. I do believe it operated for a few weeks around Christmas however.
28 pzurita1 : I have the hunch, MX is going to begin it again. Not officialy, but I have a strong feeling about this. And if it is not MX, Volaris could. Demand is
29 hondah35 : The guy who fills out the route requests had already filled this one out a few years ago in anticipation of his bosses asking him to file it with DOT
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