mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31115 posts, RR: 74 Posted (3 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 3378 times:
AeroMexico today applied with DOT to begin non-stop service between Miami and Monterrey, Mexico in the "near future" with a 737-700.
Now let's see if it actually ever happens or if AM is just collecting more route authorities (likely the latter). It would be nice to get back some MIA-MTY service. AA flew it a daily MD80 in the late 1990s, and then Aviacsa came and went and lasted a while until it ran into serious financial troubles and began to retreat from the United States.
No start date proposed, a change from in the past, which also indicates it is still far from certain.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 3220 times:
Does anyone actually have a list of all the Mexico-US routes AM has applied for in recent times? No doubt that list is probably massive enough to result in a 1GB Excel file, but still, would be interesting to know.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4719 posts, RR: 15 Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 3169 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5): Does anyone actually have a list of all the Mexico-US routes AM has applied for in recent times?
I don't have the entire list but I can tell you that as of late 2009, AM held 4 active route authorities from SAN (to MEX, SJD, PVR and HMO) and as of May 9, they will have no service at all in or out of SAN. You can perhaps do the extrapolation from that...
But you're right, AM is probably responsible for the employment of 3 or 4 full-time clerks at the DOT in D.C.!
pzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1383 posts, RR: 16 Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 2954 times:
Quoting ghost77 (Reply 8): Or either QA with Fokker 100/Boeing 717 would be a winner!
Absolutely true. This route should be MX. If you count O&D you will certainly find enough traffic. But if you add all the feed to/from MIA AA hub then it takes different proportions.
MTY and GDL are the largest cities in Latin America that AA does not serve from MIA.
I always expected this to be a MX or AA flight, never a AM. But then again, AM never delivers.
cx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 2771 times:
Quoting pzurita1 (Reply 9): Absolutely true. This route should be MX. If you count O&D you will certainly find enough traffic. But if you add all the feed to/from MIA AA hub then it takes different proportions.
Maybe AM is trying to get the authority first to make sure MX/AA don't beat it to this route? I do understand that, if I remember correctly, both carriers could do the route under the current bi-lateral (probably overkill in business terms though), but it is always better to start it first! Just assumptions of course. . . I don't have any backup for this.
cx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2508 times:
Quoting AM744 (Reply 13): Exactly. AM has more of a hub operation at MTY than MX. I hope AM can make it work.
True. And MX has all of AA's feed at MIA, which would probably not guarantee a daily flight but a Click 717 a few times a week could work. In other words, I think MIA could certainly work from MTY for any of AM or MX; it is just a matter of having the right amount of flights at the right schedules.
AM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2491 times:
Quoting pzurita1 (Reply 9): But if you add all the feed to/from MIA AA hub then it takes different proportions.
Quoting cx340 (Reply 14): And MX has all of AA's feed at MIA
When it comes to connections MIA doesn't strike me as a valuable destination for MX from MTY. I can see lots of connections to South America, but then again, how big is the MTY-South America market? Other than the US southeast mostly elsewhere is better connected through DFW.
mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31115 posts, RR: 74 Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2472 times:
Quoting AM744 (Reply 15): When it comes to connections MIA doesn't strike me as a valuable destination for MX from MTY. I can see lots of connections to South America, but then again, how big is the MTY-South America market? Other than the US southeast mostly elsewhere is better connected through DFW.
The Caribbean. Given the wealth there is in the city, there is a strong amount of leisure traffic to the Caribbean, not to mention Miami and Orlando.
cx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2395 times:
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 16): The Caribbean. Given the wealth there is in the city, there is a strong amount of leisure traffic to the Caribbean, not to mention Miami and Orlando.
Precisely. Most regios I know (and I do have very very close ties and know quite a few) often travel to Florida-Carribean for both leisure and business purposes. Sure, probably AM or MX won't be able to fill a 737 or A319 series plane and fares would have to be rather low, but a regional jet a few times a week would probably do just fine.I believe I read somewhere Aviacsa was actually doing ok with the route, so I'm assuming (no evidence) that cancelling it had more to do with the overall problems of Aviacsa that ended as we all know, than with the actual route.
mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31115 posts, RR: 74 Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2386 times:
Quoting cx340 (Reply 17): I believe I read somewhere Aviacsa was actually doing ok with the route, so I'm assuming (no evidence) that cancelling it had more to do with the overall problems of Aviacsa that ended as we all know, than with the actual route.
Aviacsa was doing fine, and was averaging around 70% loads on its daily service, which is quite typical of medium-haul routes between Miami and the region.
Aviacsa was set to return to MIA after its haitius and flights were in GDS and all, but that all went into flat when Aviacsa got into even more trouble.
AM 424 MTY 1015-1415 M87 Daily
AM 425 MIA 1515-1715 M87 Daily
That's interesting. . considering a couple of days ago, it was actually loaded onto their site. I checked the next day, and the option of MTY-MIA-MTY was not there.
I hope that this route works, considering they seem to be struggling to find their "identity" in Mexican aviation!
25 mah4546: Actually, that is correct.The MD-80s are gone, but its listed as an M87. Not sure what's going on there.
26 EddieDude: Maybe a mistake when they made the filing? If they want to offer 100 seats, the E190 is no doubt the best (and only) choice.
27 LAXintl: Mexicana discontinued last summer as part of the H1N1 fallout. I do believe it operated for a few weeks around Christmas however.
28 pzurita1: I have the hunch, MX is going to begin it again. Not officialy, but I have a strong feeling about this. And if it is not MX, Volaris could. Demand is
29 hondah35: The guy who fills out the route requests had already filled this one out a few years ago in anticipation of his bosses asking him to file it with DOT
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