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What Is US Doing CLT-GIG?  
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3051 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8695 times:

If you haven't realized yet, US isn't doing quite well on CLT-GIG. I can go to the airport tomorrow and buy a ticket for 800 dollars one way in Envoy. The route did great in the Winter, but now, not so much. Are they just waiting to get the slot transaction approved by DOT so they can fly into GRU?

I think by the end of the year it will be reduced to maybe 3x weekly or maybe 5.


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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8668 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):

I think by the end of the year it will be reduced to maybe 3x weekly or maybe 5.

Or just gone all together if the slot swap isn't approved. Though I bet US Airways gives it at least one more winter peak season to see how it goes.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3051 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8657 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 1):
Or just gone all together if the slot swap isn't approved. Though I bet US Airways gives it at least one more winter peak season to see how it goes.

I knew Mark you would be the first respond! I bet it goes well during the winter season, maybe they can make it seasonal? I mean how does DL do from ATL now? Maybe the route will get more pax after they have flown the route for a while.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8552 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
I mean how does DL do from ATL now?

DL does fine. But ATL-GIG has around 30 PDEW. CLT-GIG has 1 PDEW.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
Maybe the route will get more pax after they have flown the route for a while.

I doubt filling the plane is the major problem.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3051 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8517 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 3):
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
I mean how does DL do from ATL now?

DL does fine. But ATL-GIG has around 30 PDEW. CLT-GIG has 1 PDEW.
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 3):
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
Maybe the route will get more pax after they have flown the route for a while.

I doubt filling the plane is the major problem.

I want to hear if anyone has flown the route: maybe hear some gossip from the FA's, lol



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8464 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
US isn't doing quite well on CLT-GIG

Here we go again, one more round of CLT-GIG bashing. If the route isn't working is not because of lack of overall demand. US got burnt several with bad reviews on its service and equipment here in Brazil. Agents are only receiving bad feedback from their clients, which made them reluctant to booking US. They still book US for passengers that are very price sensitive, but at the same time warn them about the airline.

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
I can go to the airport tomorrow and buy a ticket for 800 dollars one way in Envoy.

It's funny you should mention Envoy. I've heard that Envoy is exactly what's working on the route. No, you cannot buy an Envoy ticket for $800.


User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3266 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8450 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
maybe hear some gossip from the FA's, lol

Well I'm sure you're joking as FA's are typically one of the last workgroups to know how a market is truly performing. March through May is soft for leisure traffic and tends to be business heavy. Wait until July or so when flights will be packed.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8432 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 5):
No, you cannot buy an Envoy ticket for $800.

Yes, actually, you can. $799 seats throughout the week, although it requires a round-trip (but no minimum stay requirement). And only $999 for Envoy from NYC.

Maybe that's why its working? US is charging $320 less for Envoy than what AA is charging for coach on CLT-GIG.

[Edited 2010-04-20 18:59:03]

[Edited 2010-04-20 19:01:08]


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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1297 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

Loads on are actually very good on thursday through sunday this week

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8375 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
I can go to the airport tomorrow and buy a ticket for 800 dollars one way in Envoy.
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):
requires a round-trip (but no minimum stay requirement).

Exactly, but you forgot to mention that the offer is US-Brazil-US only. US knows who has been filling Envoy...
So, no walk-up fare, no one-way, no Brazil originated traffic...

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):
Maybe that's why its working?

Usually when I say I heard something, I'm talking about the comments on the loads observed at the airport. When someone hears about the yields on a route, it's usually bull.

[Edited 2010-04-20 19:09:34]

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8290 times:
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Yes, again, and they will continue to believe that the problem is the route. Not it's not, the product isn't good against the competition.
Business is doing very good and it's full many days, economy is not. And why ? First Rio is not such a leisure market and second because US do not offer anything else any other established player offers. CO is very happy with IAH-GIG, the flight awarded just 6 months before, and of course, Houston-Rio is a bigger market than even ATL-GIG, but they need to fill a 764 with also, connections. Of course Business First product helps as well as the 764 offers more (PTV) than the 762. So, why CO fills the 764 with connections and US is not able to do it with a good hub, closer to the markets Brazilians like ?

What US need to compete to Brazil is a better product. I can't don't think the US 762 is a long term player year-round. It is a good player for Nov-March season, it's a good player for June15-Aug15 season, because there's excessive demand these periods.

And for those who talk about Sao Paulo, i can't believe the market in Sao Paulo will accept a 762 neither.

The flights are getting around 50-60% on week days, with 70%-80% on weekends. That's bad for the 5th month considering the product, and the limited marketing ? Look how CLT-GIG is performing next weekend... full on Business, almost full on Economy with a few classes available.

If CO and US both were doing bad, i would agree it's the destination. And if US were doing so bad, i don't understand that they fill the planes some days and people keep complaining ! They did good during IATA winter, and in my view, is doing just fine on off-season.

If they want, they could just reduce it to 5x weekly off-peak during the first two off-seasons, but i'm sure, if they upgrade the product, they will need to fly it daily.

The demand is there, but the demand knows what to fly and the others are full ! . They will not change JJ A332, AA 772, CO 764 or UA 763. I fly monthly to Rio, and believe me, despite the fare i never think of US as my top 3 choices.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5240 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8232 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):
Maybe that's why its working? US is charging $320 less for Envoy than what AA is charging for coach on CLT-GIG.

Yikes. Certainly not good for US. I'm also seeing that fares CLT-GIG are often pricier on DL and AA than on US.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
Yes, again, and they will continue to believe that the problem is the route. Not it's not, the product isn't good against the competition.

But at the same time, DL flies ATL-GIG with a 763 through much of the year on aircraft with an older J class and no PTVs in Y, and they've been able to do just fine on the route, so I'm having a difficult time believing that US is struggling simply because their product is behind the competition.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3051 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8221 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
Yes, again, and they will continue to believe that the problem is the route. Not it's not, the product isn't good against the competition.
Business is doing very good and it's full many days, economy is not. And why ? First Rio is not such a leisure market and second because US do not offer anything else any other established player offers. CO is very happy with IAH-GIG, the flight awarded just 6 months before, and of course, Houston-Rio is a bigger market than even ATL-GIG, but they need to fill a 764 with also, connections. Of course Business First product helps as well as the 764 offers more (PTV) than the 762. So, why CO fills the 764 with connections and US is not able to do it with a good hub, closer to the markets Brazilians like ?

What US need to compete to Brazil is a better product. I can't don't think the US 762 is a long term player year-round. It is a good player for Nov-March season, it's a good player for June15-Aug15 season, because there's excessive demand these periods.

And for those who talk about Sao Paulo, i can't believe the market in Sao Paulo will accept a 762 neither.

The flights are getting around 50-60% on week days, with 70%-80% on weekends. That's bad for the 5th month considering the product, and the limited marketing ? Look how CLT-GIG is performing next weekend... full on Business, almost full on Economy with a few classes available.

If CO and US both were doing bad, i would agree it's the destination. And if US were doing so bad, i don't understand that they fill the planes some days and people keep complaining ! They did good during IATA winter, and in my view, is doing just fine on off-season.

If they want, they could just reduce it to 5x weekly off-peak during the first two off-seasons, but i'm sure, if they upgrade the product, they will need to fly it daily.

The demand is there, but the demand knows what to fly and the others are full ! . They will not change JJ A332, AA 772, CO 764 or UA 763. I fly monthly to Rio, and believe me, despite the fare i never think of US as my top 3 choices.

I hope if they get GRU, it will be a 332.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8162 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
DL flies ATL-GIG with a 763 through much of the year on aircraft with an older J class and no PTVs in Y, and they've been able to do just fine on the route

The complaints I've been hearing about the old aspect of aircrafts. Outdated interiors and old interiors are not the same thing.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8103 times:
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Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
But at the same time, DL flies ATL-GIG with a 763 through much of the year on aircraft with an older J class and no PTVs in Y, and they've been able to do just fine on the route, so I'm having a difficult time believing that US is struggling simply because their product is behind the competition.

DL offers a product that take the advantage of their massive hub, and was the second non-stop launched recently to GIG, just after MIA-GIG. What happen with DL is that, they fill the market in a moment where product was a minor issue.
In my view, when you're the first, or one of the first one a good market, product does not make such difference.
I flew at least 20 times ATL-GIG and GIG-ATL, while it was the best choice to fly from New York area to Rio. Why not nowadays so much ? I have better product on JJ (non stop with a premium A332, lie flat business and First Class, which i fly 4 to 6 times a year, and will fly round trip next month) or even on AA with their new lie flat seat on MIA-GIG.

Plus, DL was smart using the 764 on peak season, which helps to attract customers year-round (not all customers are like us on A.Net that knows route by route the equipment and entertainment available, but your friend that flew a route on January can tell you that DL have a good PTV... but on April you wouldn't got it, and you will be thinking that you were not lucky)

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 8):
Loads on are actually very good on thursday through sunday this week

It's not the first time i notice that.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3051 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 13):
Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
DL flies ATL-GIG with a 763 through much of the year on aircraft with an older J class and no PTVs in Y, and they've been able to do just fine on the route

The complaints I've been hearing about the old aspect of aircrafts. Outdated interiors and old interiors are not the same thing.

Which is why US needs to launch a marketing campaign of some sort in Brazil. They need to tell the people that there Envoy seats are "lie-flat" and CO's and DL's are not. They need to tell the people that in Envoy, they have AVOD and CO does not. They need to tell the people that they have more seat pitch in Y than AA. They need to tell the people how easy CLT is to fly in and out of.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8003 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 9):
Exactly, but you forgot to mention that the offer is US-Brazil-US only. US knows who has been filling Envoy...
So, no walk-up fare, no one-way, no Brazil originated traffic...

Point taken, but fares as low as $1390 for Brazil to NYC in Envoy. Still dirt cheap.

And the economy fares are as low as $399.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7942 times:
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Quoting USAirALB (Reply 15):
Which is why US needs to launch a marketing campaign of some sort in Brazil. They need to tell the people that there Envoy seats are "lie-flat" and CO's and DL's are not. They need to tell the people that in Envoy, they have AVOD and CO does not. They need to tell the people that they have more seat pitch in Y than AA. They need to tell the people how easy CLT is to fly in and out of.

That's part of my complain with Marketing. They just advertise them as "another way to get to the United States" while they could say about their Envoy, which probably is on the same level as TAM and better than the "portable" AVOD AA offers on their 763 that need to be removed about 1h before landing.
Envoy to GIG in my view could be even 30C and US would be filling it easily.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7930 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 15):
Which is why US needs to launch a marketing campaign of some sort in Brazil. They need to tell the people that there Envoy seats are "lie-flat" and CO's and DL's are not. They need to tell the people that in Envoy, they have AVOD and CO does not. They need to tell the people that they have more seat pitch in Y than AA. They need to tell the people how easy CLT is to fly in and out of.

US office in Brazil is very small, irrelevant really. They would never come up with a campaign like that. I don't even think that they would have such an idea approved. But, you know, US doesn't need all that. Do you know what Brazilians really care about? It's silly, but they care about FA friendliness. Invest in that and almost everything else will be forgotten.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7917 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 16):
Still dirt cheap.

How are the fares from LAX? You should come visit.


User currently offlineBrandonfsu05 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7706 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
DL offers a product that take the advantage of their massive hub, and was the second non-stop launched recently to GIG, just after MIA-GIG. What happen with DL is that, they fill the market in a moment where product was a minor issue.
In my view, when you're the first, or one of the first one a good market, product does not make such difference.
I flew at least 20 times ATL-GIG and GIG-ATL, while it was the best choice to fly from New York area to Rio. Why not nowadays so much ? I have better product on JJ (non stop with a premium A332, lie flat business and First Class, which i fly 4 to 6 times a year, and will fly round trip next month) or even on AA with their new lie flat seat on MIA-GIG.

Plus, DL was smart using the 764 on peak season, which helps to attract customers year-round (not all customers are like us on A.Net that knows route by route the equipment and entertainment available, but your friend that flew a route on January can tell you that DL have a good PTV... but on April you wouldn't got it, and you will be thinking that you were not lucky)

US Airways is traditionally the airline that comes last to the market...they are the airline that seems to offer a plane for price-sensitive passengers. Furthermore they have small envoy offerings on their planes. That's why this route will work during peak seasons. You get a mass influx of price-sensitive passengers. However, on off-peak there are better options for many of the people who are regulars. In the age of the iPhone and Ipod I don't really care about PTV...but everyone else does...

Even though I work at CLT...lol...I would not take the CLT-GIG route... I would rather connect in Atlanta, Houston, Miami etc... Because I dislike US flight crew...maybe if it was their new 332 I would... US Airways has limited widebodies so they have to pick and choose. I feel they have no choice but to stay if they want to continue to grow. They've decided South America is their next spot...if they want to look good in the eyes of the DOT they have to continue it. Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't tried to do PHL-CAI or try to start service to West Africa first...like Delta and United instead of going to deep South America.

I'm sure Parker knew what the route would be like...but as we saw...GIG was not his first choice...GRU was...the airline has to do what it has to do...serving GIG year round temporarily is what the airline has to do. Hopefully TAM connections later on will help the loads.

[Edited 2010-04-20 21:52:16]

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2179 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7640 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 5):
US got burnt several with bad reviews on its service and equipment here in Brazil. Agents are only receiving bad feedback from their clients, which made them reluctant to booking US. They still book US for passengers that are very price sensitive, but at the same time warn them about the airline.

Does this surprise you? Not to bash US, but obviously if they have a sub-par product, then how can they expect this to work? There are plenty of other nicer alternatives that Brazilians can use from GIG, namely the national airline JJ, that offers a far superior offering via MIA, JFK, MCO, etc...

US strategically makes poor decisions. If they want to build up their CLT hub and fly to far flung destinations like HNL and GIG, then they need to have a wiser choice of aircraft. The 762 is a grungy plane. At least they're using the 332 to FCO.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
But at the same time, DL flies ATL-GIG with a 763 through much of the year on aircraft with an older J class and no PTVs in Y, and they've been able to do just fine on the route, so I'm having a difficult time believing that US is struggling simply because their product is behind the competition.

I really feel like comparing ATL to CLT is like apples to oranges, and people keep doing it on a.net and are beating a dead horse. Even though yes, they are regionally close to each other and yes, metro sizes are similar, that isn't to say that the airports are.



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7621 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
I want to hear if anyone has flown the route: maybe hear some gossip from the FA's, lol

I flew this route last month and I will fly it again next week.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):
US is charging $320 less for Envoy than what AA is charging for coach on CLT-GIG.

Which strengthens my argument that Y class fares to Brazil are much higher this year than before.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
Yes, again, and they will continue to believe that the problem is the route. Not it's not, the product isn't good against the competition.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Clearly their product does not compare favorably with JJ or CO. However, I would rate them better than UA, AA, and DL in Y class. I can't make a fair comparison with USair's J class product as I have not flown with US in Envoy to GIG but I have flown in J Class to GIG with all other US based carriers, I've also flown Y class with every US based carrier flying to GIG, and again, I believe that US product in Y is competitive with the others. I also found the flight attendants working the GIG route to be very friendly and accomodating, and was very impressed with the Portuguese language flight attendant.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
But at the same time, DL flies ATL-GIG with a 763 through much of the year on aircraft with an older J class and no PTVs in Y, and they've been able to do just fine on the route, so I'm having a difficult time believing that US is struggling simply because their product is behind the competition

See above, I don't believe that it is. I believe their problem is as CO10T3 stated, very bad publicity from well publicized problems with mechanical issues early on with their service, and perhaps not as many flight options outbound from CLT.
One could also argue that AA has been a player in the GIG/US market longer than any other US based carrier and has probably developed a loyal AAdvantage following in Brazil. I usually fly with AA to GIG as I am Aadvantage Platinum, but lately their fares are too expensive.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 16):
And the economy fares are as low as $399.

And that is each way before taxes. That is not a low fare. You're still talking $900.00+ round trip after taxes.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 19):
How are the fares from LAX?

Higher than they've been in a loooong time.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
or even on AA with their new lie flat seat on MIA-GIG.

Did I miss something? When did AA get lie flat seats on their MIA-GIG flights? Did they reconfigure their 767's?

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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7597 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 21):
Does this surprise you?

No, it doesn't, but the bad reputation was established rather early, as if it were on purpose.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7563 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 21):
and yes, metro sizes are similar,

No, they aren't. Charlotte is around 1.7M or so and Atlanta is 5.4M - just a little smaller than Miami or Houston. No comparison.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 22):
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
or even on AA with their new lie flat seat on MIA-GIG.

Did I miss something? When did AA get lie flat seats on their MIA-GIG flights? Did they reconfigure their 767's?

AA has had lie-flats since 2008, unless you are the picky type that doesn't consider it "lie flat" unless it is parallel to the floor.



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25 HALFA : Well there is lie flat and there is almost lie flat. I have flown AA J class from MIA to GIG several times and I would consider that almost lie flat.
26 LipeGIG : No doubt the 332 would be the perfect tool to put US into a competitive advantage against DL and AA. Not in 1 or 2 weeks, but i'm sure in a few month
27 HALFA : So Lipe, are you saying that it is your opinion that the crews of USAir on the GIG route are not as good as the crews of other USA based airlines? If
28 jfk787nyc : Does anyone know how US is doing on there Philly-TLV route?
29 N757ST : TLV is doing very well and is probably the most profitable route in the Airways system.
30 MaverickM11 : That doesn't drive nearly as much traffic as a.net likes to think They're much closer than that, about 15 and 7 respectively, and that's only after a
31 Cubsrule : When you get senior enough that it becomes relevant, legacy PI crews are far and away better than legacy US/AL crews, and that tends to mean that CLT
32 thegman : They should put the 332 on the route temporarily while this situation in Europe is still ongoing and see how the passengers respond.
33 mah4546 : Yes, 16 suites with "true" lie flat and the ability to swivel your chair 90 degrees to face the window. Excellent product that has aged remarkably we
34 ULMFlyer : I almost opened a thread last month to tell this story: I purchased an Envoy ticket for a relative of mine to fly R/T GIG-CLT-PIT. First class was ful
35 MaverickM11 : Totally unrelated to CLTGIG, but why doesn't AA upgrade the F service to something more comparable to SQ/EK/LH/BA? They've got decent hardware, they'
36 USAirALB : CLT crews are the best. I fly US all the time, and I have never had a problem with the crew.
37 Neo : Not just one of your nonsenses got a reality check, that's all! Rgs, Neo
38 mah4546 : "Nonesenses" based on actual data, but if you so wish, that's all, I guess. I did make a mistake, because in 2008 ATL-RIO was 10,312 passengers, or 1
39 brilondon : What is a PDEW?
40 mah4546 : Passengers per day, each way.
41 Cubsrule : Passenger per Day Each Way One other thing to keep in mind is the cultural aspect, I think. A Brasilian will probably say that JJ and AA have the bes
42 MaverickM11 : Spanish speaking or Portuguese?
43 C010T3 : No, AA's crews also have a bad reputation. It's funny, because you don't usually hear complaints about DL's, UA's and CO's crews. Yes, Brazilians, fo
44 Cubsrule : Spanish exclusively, I believe - I'll have to think about it.
45 OA412 : Maybe a dumb question, but does it matter? I'm not being an ass, I'm being serious. Is there a difference in service quality between Spanish speaking
46 mah4546 : That is purely anecdotal evidence. I personally don't hear "complaints" about much of anybody's crew. So which one of the two of us is "more" right?
47 LipeGIG : No Halfa, i'm just enphasizing that crews can and make the difference. That makes sense, but i do expect DL to have more of a share on NYC area and U
48 Cubsrule : In terms of this thread, you're more likely to get a Spanish f/a to SCL than to GIG.
49 C010T3 : Maybe you're right, but that's what you hear from travel agents.
50 Post contains images MaverickM11 : No I wanted to know which one Cubsrule had a problem with, seeing as it's difficult to find any flight without a Spanish speaker onboard--let alone o
51 Post contains images OA412 : Oh OK. I wasn't sure if there was some kind of common knowledge out there that I was not aware of. . Yeah, yeah I know... Not to mention that I didn'
52 LipeGIG : That's non sense. Seems a strange limitation as normally when you buy the highest fares, the fare associated with a domestic connection in general is
53 Cubsrule : They were varied, but all could fairly be characterized as really bad attitudes - not at all representative of the general experience with Delta f/as
54 fascm170 : CLT/GIG route is behaving according to the season. Almost all carriers flying out of GIG go through the same light loads on the same seasons, so it is
55 C010T3 : That's not true. Loads from GIG are equivalent to those out of GRU.
56 USAirALB : Yeah, might as well, the plane will only be sitting there for 5 hours, they might as well put it to use, and in the winter, they can maybe operate GI
57 C010T3 : Why is that?
58 USAirALB : Because traditionally US-GIG routes are stronger in the Winter(US), Summer(Brazil)
59 ULMFlyer : Exactly. That's why I think it must be an IT issue that has been overlooked, rather than official policy. It makes no sense whatsoever to charge some
60 C010T3 : US-GIG routes are stronger during the school holiday weeks in Brazil, not because of any specific season of the year.
61 USAirALB : But more Americans come down during December-March
62 C010T3 : Rio is not Cancún.
63 USAirALB : Yes but it is the high season, and of course there is Carnival.
64 LipeGIG : Americans goes to Rio, Brazilians goes to Miami and New York. This compensates a reduction in January on business demand. December to March is the dr
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