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User currently offlineMarkus From United States of America, joined May 1999, 275 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10004 times:

From the local news in Greenville, SC.....

WN has confirmed that it is not considering CAE for new service...they then neither confirmed nor denied that GSP will be their choice.
Service, when confirmed, would begin in 12-18 months.

http://www.thestate.com/2010/04/20/1...uthwest-spurns-columbia-might.html

[Edited 2010-04-21 11:28:20 by srbmod]

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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2797 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 9970 times:

Quoting Markus (Thread starter):
WN has confirmed that it is not considering CAE for new service...

Interesting. I would have thought flying there would essentially serve the entire state. Although NK couldn't pull that one off, I do think that market is open for the taking, since it just has the big 5 legacies...

Quoting Markus (Thread starter):
they then neither confirmed nor denied that GSP will be their choice.
Service, when confirmed, would begin in 12-18 months.

Stranger things have happened (some of F9's new additions come to mind) but I don't see it happening. While GSP would give WN a nice way to virtually serve both ATL and CLT, I think at this point they want to get right in to those 2 airports...



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3761 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 9788 times:

Quoting Markus (Thread starter):
WN has confirmed that it is not considering CAE for new service...they then neither confirmed nor denied that GSP will be their choice.
Service, when confirmed, would begin in 12-18 months.

What's going on? Has WN committed to flying somewhere in SC or something? If so, I think I'm voting CHS.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1998 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 9574 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 1):
While GSP would give WN a nice way to virtually serve both ATL and CLT, I think at this point they want to get right in to those 2 airports...

GSP =/= CLT or ATL. I don't care what the GSP fanboys here say, it is NOT the same as serving CLT or ATL. I, like most other business travelers, would prefer not to drive 90 minutes to save $75-100 on airfare. CLT is a nice airport, easy in and easy out. Rental cars are easy to deal with there, the terminals are easy to navigate, albeit a bit crowded during the US flight banks.

WN to CLT is very, very good. WN to GSP is a wasted opportunity for them to enter the overpriced Charlotte Metro market.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 9484 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 3):
WN to GSP is a wasted opportunity for them to enter the overpriced Charlotte Metro market.

But WN @ GSP is also an opportunity to lower the just as exorbitant, if not higher fares in the Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville/Anderson market.

That being said, I could see WN starting with MDW, BWI, Florida, and BNA or DEN.

[Edited 2010-04-21 04:36:49]


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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2961 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 9333 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
But WN @ GSP is also an opportunity to lower the just as exorbitant, if not higher fares in the Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville/Anderson market.

....Make that, "much more exorbitant", as far as GSP fares vs CLT fares. CLT fares are consistently and considerably lower than those at GSP - CLT is already well-served with LFC service (as is ATL).

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 1):
While GSP would give WN a nice way to virtually serve both ATL and CLT, I think at this point they want to get right in to those 2 airports...

From what I hear, WN won't be able to serve either for some time (lack of gates/slots). Don't forget, GSP is its own growing market of over 1.2 million in the immediate region, plus easy access from N. Georgia and Western N. Carolina and even the aforementioned Midlands area of S. Carolina (CAE). Many people from N. Georgia already fly from GSP due to ease of access and use, in spite of higher fares compared to ATL.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 1):
nteresting. I would have thought flying there would essentially serve the entire state. Although NK couldn't pull that one off, I do think that market is open for the taking, since it just has the big 5 legacies...

Not just NK, but G4 tried, and failed 2 separate times at CAE, while G4 has been very successful at GSP (although with less-than-daily frequencies they can't be considered a player).



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (3 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 9335 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 2):
If so, I think I'm voting CHS.

I also think CHS will be the first South Carolina station WN opens (although I don't want to commit to a timeframe). It would be a return to a strategy WN did a ton of in the past: looking to isolated smaller cities; WN hasn't done this recently except in RSW. Nonetheless, WN/CHS could draw from ILM, SAV, and CAE as well as Charleston.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2961 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 9296 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
It would be a return to a strategy WN did a ton of in the past: looking to isolated smaller cities; WN hasn't done this recently except in RSW. Nonetheless, WN/CHS could draw from ILM, SAV, and CAE as well as Charleston.

...the same logic vindicates the case for GSP as well-GSP is exactly the kind of market WN made its fortune serving. And, if CHS can draw from those places, GSP can certainly grab a chunk of the CLT & ATL metros as well as CAE (90 miles away) then.



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 9207 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
But WN @ GSP is also an opportunity to lower the just as exorbitant, if not higher fares in the Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville/Anderson market.
Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 5):
CLT fares are consistently and considerably lower than those at GSP - CLT is already well-served with LFC service (as is ATL).

I must have gotten lucky this past weekend...had to do a sudden Friday to Monday trip, MCI-GSP, booked on Thursday afternoon for $256.81 (25 hours from departure) roundtrip on AA.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (3 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 9171 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 7):
...the same logic vindicates the case for GSP as well

Not really. As long as WN opens CLT before a South Carolina station - and I don't see why they wouldn't - GSP isn't really isolated from WN, nor is it isolated from low fares (at ATL and at CLT). CLT gives WN everything GSP does plus some.



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User currently offlinebigsky09 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 9116 times:

As a WN employee I hope they go after CLT and CHS.

User currently offlineclemsonaj From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 9080 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 8):
I must have gotten lucky this past weekend...had to do a sudden Friday to Monday trip, MCI-GSP, booked on Thursday afternoon for $256.81 (25 hours from departure) roundtrip on AA.

Not really. The airlines have been offering GSP-midwest weekend fares pretty cheaply for a while now. Mostly last-minute fares to fill a few seats. I flew GSP-MLI for ~$140 back in January after purchasing a few days prior, but that is beside the point of this thread.

According to the local news the state legislature has approved some form of incentive package for WN should they decide to head to GSP.


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3761 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (3 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 9052 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 7):
And, if CHS can draw from those places, GSP can certainly grab a chunk of the CLT & ATL metros as well as CAE (90 miles away) then.

You cant really compare pulling traffic from ILM and SAV to pulling traffic from ATL and CLT.


User currently offlineiloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 9020 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 8):
I must have gotten lucky this past weekend...had to do a sudden Friday to Monday trip, MCI-GSP, booked on Thursday afternoon for $256.81 (25 hours from departure) roundtrip on AA.

So did I, relatively speaking. I booked MCI-ORD-AVL on UA in July for $286.78 r/t, taxes and fees included. It's amazing because I remember AVL fares being astronomically high from virtually everywhere when I was younger (between $500-$900 per person from BWI) and I am so thankful that I was able to get a good price this time around. Sure beats my local airport (SGF), which was $500 r/t.


Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):

But WN @ GSP is also an opportunity to lower the just as exorbitant, if not higher fares in the Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville/Anderson market.

I totally agree! My grandparents live in the Brevard, North Carolina area, near the South Carolina border and, although AVL is closer to them, GSP is not much further and WN serving GSP would make it so much easier for them to visit us in Missouri and vice-versa! I say to WN: GO FOR IT!


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2961 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 8912 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 12):
You cant really compare pulling traffic from ILM and SAV to pulling traffic from ATL and CLT.

Plus, there's so much MORE traffic to pull from CLT and/or ATL!

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
As long as WN opens CLT before a South Carolina station - and I don't see why they wouldn't - GSP isn't really isolated from WN, nor is it isolated from low fares (at ATL and at CLT). CLT gives WN everything GSP does plus some.

That's a REALLY big "if", provided the chatter I hear about lack of space at either major airport is correct. Even with imminent construction, that's still quite a while off. WN can be cashing in now on this whole region, as opposed to doing without that revenue until who knows when...



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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1564 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 8887 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 14):
Plus, there's so much MORE traffic to pull from CLT and/or ATL!

That's a double-edged sword, though. True, GSP is logical in the sense that it has CLT and ATL to pull traffic from, and certainly those have a lot more pax than ILM, SAV, and CAE. However, CLT and ATL have so many pax that WN is likely to go straight into the major airports rather than trying to pull away smaller numbers of pax to GSP. WN has not been shy about going where the big boys are lately, so I think if CLT/ATL traffic is what they were after, they'd just go to CLT and ATL.

On the other hand, it's unlikely that WN would serve more than one of ILM, SAV, CAE, and CHS in the near future. As such, it makes sense to pick CHS as a central location to market as WN service to the whole region.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (3 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 8818 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 14):
That's a REALLY big "if", provided the chatter I hear about lack of space at either major airport is correct.

They could have gate space for a 25-30 flight operation at CLT tomorrow. There's not much more room than that until some of the construction gets done, but there is space at CLT.



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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 8733 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 14):
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 12):
You cant really compare pulling traffic from ILM and SAV to pulling traffic from ATL and CLT.

Plus, there's so much MORE traffic to pull from CLT and/or ATL!

Here's a question...in the days before AirTran was much of a factor at ATL, I know there was a fair amount of traffic from Atlanta (relatively speaking) driving to BHM in order to fly WN. Does anyone know if that still occurs? I'm just curious how much leakage there is from ATL. (I also realize the population on the northeast side of the ATL metro, closest to GSP, is higher than on the western and northwestern sides of the city closest to BHM.)


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 907 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 8706 times:

I'd say CHS gets WN before any other SC airport even stands a chance. GSP is not sufficient enough as an alternative airport to CLT and ATL. Maybe a complement to CLT/ATL service but no alternative.

As for WN serving ATL in the near future, good luck, probably won't work out with the DL/FL stronghold that would, IMO annihilate any "Southwest Effect" from WN itself.



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User currently offlinewwtraveler99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 8665 times:

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 18):
As for WN serving ATL in the near future, good luck, probably won't work out with the DL/FL stronghold that would, IMO annihilate any "Southwest Effect" from WN itself.

It would work out if WN and FL merged. FL recently said they would be willing to listening to anyone asking about a buyout or merger.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AirTra...sider-apf-4239923033.html?x=0&.v=8


I can not imagine WN sitting on the side lines watching everyone else get much larger.


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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2961 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 8602 times:

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 18):
GSP is not sufficient enough as an alternative airport to CLT and ATL. Maybe a complement to CLT/ATL service but no alternative.

It can work BOTH ways, as CLT/ATL obviously currently serve as alternate to the 60% of GSP pax that currently use one of those 2 airports instead of GSP. I've seen instances of people from both metros/ex-burbs using GSP already simply because of the ease of use/less congestion, fares aside. Additionally, bear in mind as I've mentioned already, that WN service at GSP would also easily pull from Western N. Carolina (AVL) and the SC Midlands (CAE).



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (3 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 8596 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 20):
Additionally, bear in mind as I've mentioned already, that WN service at GSP would also easily pull from Western N. Carolina (AVL) and the SC Midlands (CAE).

...as would WN service to CLT, which would also pull from the Triad.



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User currently offlinebigsky09 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

There is no way WN would enter a market like GSP before CLT or ATL. I join GSPOT and fwaerj in wishinh for more service to my hometown airport that is in a small market. I from LEX and although I live in south Florida I would love to see new service to LEX.

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6476 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (3 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 8517 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 17):
Does anyone know if that still occurs?

I'm sure it still occurs but to a lesser degree. Given the competitive fares and high level of nonstop service, ATL is a pretty strong option. The only big downside to ATL is the hassle factor of getting there (particularly if you live north/northeast of Atlanta).

And realistically, the seat capacity hasn't grown that much from BHM in the past decade to really accomodate that much more spill from ATL.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2961 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 8295 times:

Quoting bigsky09 (Reply 22):
There is no way WN would enter a market like GSP before CLT or ATL.

I'd be a little careful in using terms like "no way". They may seem to have largely abandoned it, but that would be exactly the type of move that WN has traditionally made, and grew explosively by doing so (neither of which seem to be happening nowadays, with WN's emphasis on/move to larger, congestion-plagued airports).



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25 congaboy : I think this traffic alone would support a thin, initial WN schedule...and yes, you will definitely get traffic from the Northeast ATL suburbs/Gwinne
26 DeltAirlines : Where at? There's really one gate open on the A Concourse currently (Delta needs 4 gates, AA/UA/CO all need 2 gates and FL needs 1). Concourse E, whi
27 Cubsrule : D cannot take a widebody on every gate, which is the point of adding a couple of 330 gates on E (discussed here a couple of months ago). What they sh
28 FutureUScapt : All of the airlines except FL have signatory leases on the gates on A Concourse and I can't imagine that any of those carriers would be willing to gi
29 Cubsrule : Realistically, no one but US really cares if WN is in CLT - if the deal were good enough, any of the other carriers would move. A lower price plus a
30 Markus : You're obviously not living in SC right now. WN service to CHS is barely even in discussion here. IMHO, WN service to CHS will begin sometime around
31 FutureUScapt : Just how sweet of a deal are we talking, because unless WN or the airport severely overpays that legacy, its going to amount to chump change - and do
32 Cubsrule : Sure there is. Move B6 to A (where there is a single open gate) and EN to E. 4 and 6 can easily support AA, CO, or UA with 2 RJ parking spots at 4 an
33 USAirALB : WN is just better off waiting till 2013 when the new terminal is built. Yes cute, pain in the As* yes. I was in E the other, day, it took me 15 mins
34 Cubsrule : IIRC, US holds leases on 1, 2, and 3 and B6 and LH both pay by the use.
35 Packcheer : For someone who asked a while back up in this thread, South Carolina (as a state) is desperate for some lower air fares. The state is offereing major
36 DeltAirlines : Indeed - a (small) part of why I avoid US Airways is that I got sick and tired of making the long-ish hike from the B Concourse to the end of the E C
37 TSS : Quite true. BHM has served +/- 3 million pax a year since the year 2000. Currently, about a third of those pax are on WN flights.
38 FutureUScapt : B6 will now have 2 aircraft that RON in CLT as of this summer (departure times are 1hr apart) so I'm not so sure they be too enthused about being lim
39 Packcheer : While you do have a point there, South Carolina (CAE at least) is offering subsidies to any airline that will offer expanded service out of CAE. Spec
40 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Speaking of CHS, there was an article in the Charleston Post & Courier, Airports chief trying hard to land new carrier It starts out with Directo
41 AVLAirlineFreq : I've complained about that on this board previously, too. I hope the expansion includes a new sit-down restaurant for E (or booting the Fox Sports Gr
42 Cubsrule : 2 RONs can use one gate; there's all kinds of parking on the perimeter of A (both straight south of A and off to the Southwest).
43 ScottB : CHS would realistically only draw from CAE and potentially a bit from MYR. SAV to JAX is a bit shorter drive than SAV to CHS (especially with JAX bei
44 Cubsrule : From SAV, it's about a wash; about 2 hours 20 minutes to each (though between 17 to Charleston and 95 to Jacksonville, I know which I'd rather drive)
45 deltal1011man : Delta wont be doing anything to help WN.....and i don't really see AA or UA helping them out IMHO.
46 Post contains images Coronado990 : WN should just go all green. Start Greensville, Greensboro and Green Bay all in one day!
47 Post contains images GSPSPOT : I'm for that (although I really don't see GSO in the WN network, if for no other reason than its proximity to RDU)! [Edited 2010-04-22 09:35:08]
48 charliefoxtrot : And fly there with the "green plane". Luv it!
49 Cubsrule : You really think that if CLT were to cut DL's lease payments by 50 percent or 75 percent, they wouldn't move even if it helped WN? The other major pl
50 GSPSPOT : That may be true, but the immediate AVL area doesn't come close to describing the amount of mountain territory within easy driving distance of GSP. T
51 Cubsrule : Look at the last two smaller cities WN has announced: RSW and ECP. That should pretty well shoot down that theory. It doesn't, but how many people wh
52 kbpilot5 : Great idea. GSO would pull in the western triad area and foothills. Then the Charlotte area could have two choices to either GSO or GSP depending on
53 deltal1011man : Yes.......Now if the would STFU about the slot swap....I'm sure Delta will be more likely to talk, but even then i don't see DL,UA,AA,CO or US shooti
54 Cubsrule : But with one gate (or even two or three), WN wouldn't start a single city on that list save maybe DEN. How does WN flying to BWI, BNA, MDW, and MCO s
55 FutureUScapt : I realize that; my point was that with departure times a mere 60 minutes apart it is cutting it kind of close to tow the second plane to the gate onc
56 Cubsrule : Theoretically, yes, though there are ways around that (see B6). Jerry Orr has gotten himself in a bit of a pickle with his repeated public statements
57 93Sierra : If WN went into GSP they would be the only carrier to fly mainline equipment ( I know G4 is there ) on a regular basis. But I see CHS as a better opti
58 Post contains links justplanenutz : Well, this gets interesting: http://www.gsabusiness.com/news/3397...midlands-versus-upstate-charleston BOTH CHS and GSP might get WN service, but CAE'
59 clemsonaj : Time to start making calls to my state senators. The shortsightedness of this all is unfathomable.
60 justplanenutz : Bingo. Here's a gem of a quote from the CAE airport director: "I won’t ever be able to get a low-cost carrier” to Columbia if Southwest dominates
61 Cubsrule : If the legislation really is biased against CAE (from the information in the article, I don't know if that is in fact the case), why shouldn't CAE ma
62 justplanenutz : So......how many LCC's do they have now? Under any reasonable criteria, getting WN at BOTH CHS and GSP would be a huge win for a state the has ZERO L
63 Cubsrule : Sure - but why should CAE management care about CHS or GSP? It's his job to care about CAE.
64 justplanenutz : Indeed he does have a job to do. But the SC Senate owes fealty to the State, not just the City of Columbia. Somebody between CHS, CAE and GSP is like
65 GSPSPOT : CAE and the city of Columbia just need to resign themselves to what they are - the capital of the state and home to the state's largest university. T
66 Packcheer : If CAE markets itself as South Carolina's airport they can attract people from all over the state. If LCC fares work out like they are supposed to (li
67 Cubsrule : It sounds to me like your anger is misplaced... be mad at the Senate all you want, but Mr. Mann is just doing his job.
68 justplanenutz : If the incentive bill were to contain some structural bias against CAE, then I would 100% agree with you that Mr. Mann and the local powers that be i
69 Cubsrule : My whole argument is premised on that being the case. Mr. Mann cannot argue with a straight face that CAE should get MORE incentives than CHS or GSP
70 Post contains links justplanenutz : In fact, it appears CAE folks supported the incentives right up until the minute they found out WN would not serve CAE. Here's their press release on
71 GSPSPOT : So typical, as anyone from S. Carolina can attest...
72 RL757PVD : From the state perspective two things: 1) its 110% certain that WN will eventually serve both ATL and CLT... is a $15 million investment for WN at GSP
73 justplanenutz : 1) I'm not really sure what ATL and CLT have to do with it, though I agree WN will in time land at both. The point of the incentives (just like other
74 Cubsrule : Starting CLT makes GSP/CAE make less sense and CHS make more sense.
75 Post contains links justplanenutz : I agree about CAE-it will not draw anyone from anywhere (see prior comment about being in the boonies). GSP however, as GSPSPOT has gone to great len
76 Cubsrule : ...but CLT is going to draw many of those same people. Greenville is a great town (Spartanburg not so much - sorry), but being sandwiched between Cha
77 justplanenutz : Cubs, I'm not really a GSP fanboy, though Dave Edwards definitely owes me a beer at this point. And, yes, Spartanburg is a pit. AVL is my home, thoug
78 Cubsrule : It's AVL I'm not sure about - as you say, a lot of folks up that way go back and forth between using CLT (which is on the right side of Charlotte for
79 LoneStarMike : I'm curious as to how CAE manages to get as many passengers as it does considering it's half the size of GSP. I looked at the (rounded) passenger tot
80 Cubsrule : A couple of things... 1) Shaw Air Force Base is reasonably large and drives air travel demand. 2) CAE is the "big airport" for a decent handful of sm
81 GSPSPOT : ..except for folks who value ease of use & convenient access, which does happen. That's not my info, I saw it on a Charlotte newspaper's website
82 Cubsrule : Correct - but that's a wash between CAE and GSP, so it does not explain the passenger count disparity. The relative locations of GSP and CAE vis a vi
83 727lover : If this were 20 years ago, I could see WN serving GSP to catch the outer Atlanta & Charlotte metros. But that was when WN was the only LCC. The bu
84 AVLAirlineFreq : Cubsrule, are those population figures? AVL is a little over 400,000 for the four-county metro area. (And yes, I know that doesn't even include the r
85 Post contains links justplanenutz : GSP is currently around 1.4mm and AVL 420k, so that is 1.82 mm just in those 2 MSAs. Add in another 10 or so counties in WNC that are not in the AVL
86 GSPSPOT : Which is NOT to say that the previous model, that made WN into what it is today, is totally irrelevant. Why can't WN do what you describe, and still
87 AVLAirlineFreq : I keep seeing all these estimates of leakage and the potential of drawing from areas as much as 90 minutes, 120 minutes or more drive time away from a
88 Cubsrule : If you're going to be driving 45 minutes or an hour to CLT, it's not that big of a difference - especially since you can show up at CAE half an hour
89 AVLAirlineFreq : Correct--they changed the definition of the AVL MSA with the 2000 census.
90 justplanenutz : Yeah, but you are likely still not saving any money and also making a connection you could avoid at CLT. I agree about the ease of use at the smaller
91 Post contains links AVLAirlineFreq : The Charleston Post and Courier is reporting this morning that Charleston County is looking to enact a 5% rental car tax that would be used for WN, an
92 GSPSPOT : Don't forget about upcoming major landside terminal/roadway construction! Who knows how long that'll last...
93 Post contains links clemsonaj : Fox Carolina is reporting this morning that the bill got preliminary approval from the senate late last night. Found a link not from Fox Carolina, but
94 justplanenutz : Thanks aj. Here's the key quote to me: “If you look at our history, Southwest consistently has tried to go to airports that are underserved and over
95 GSPSPOT : It's funny to see an actual WN exec say that, since that's NOT what they've been doing the past few years (DEN, MSP, BOS, LGA, etc...) Glad to see tha
96 Cubsrule : ...which is why I said CAE is really only attractive for those going to places like CHI or NYC (nonstop service from both cities) or ABQ or PDX (must
97 justplanenutz : Ahh.....I missed that part. I was going to add that as another caveat along with fare differential. You're still not talking a lot of folks though.
98 justplanenutz : The latest news is that it looks like the incentive bill will pass after all, adding $10 million just for CAE (in addition to the $15 million for the
99 RL757PVD : I wonder if we could see two small stations (GSP/CHS) as result of a big subsidy... 3x BWI 2x MDW 1x BNA 1x MCO to each?
100 KcrwFlyer : Looks like CAE is getting what they want financially.
101 GSP psgr : My long standing guess for a WN GSP operation has been: 4X BWI 2X MDW 2X BNA 1X MCO That said, I would not fall over in shock with any of the followi
102 Cubsrule : No, although WN has really gotten away from opening p2p routes with station openings lately. That said, I do think TPA and FLL are possibilities - es
103 justplanenutz : They won't get any of the $10mm unless they get a LCC there, and with WN bracketing CAE, that's a long shot. AVL could also wind up a loser here, wit
104 Cubsrule : With G4 at GSP already, I wonder how much GSP leaks to AVL for these flights.
105 KcrwFlyer : If they do RDU, I will fall over in shock.
106 justplanenutz : , Not much, I expect. FL is at least twice as expensive as G4, even with the breathing and heartbeat fees.
107 GSPSPOT : Exactly...
108 GSPSPOT : Big subsidy? Wasn't the St. Joe deal at PFN something like $23 million?
109 RL757PVD : You wont, but i think most others would.... Because they will run a 20% load factor in the winter....
110 AVLAirlineFreq : $26 million, to be exact. That's a lot of trees.
111 AVLAirlineFreq : Sometimes as much as twice, but not always.
112 GSP psgr : So I'm guessing we're in agreement that BWI, BNA, and MCO are no brainers from GSP. Here's the ideas behind the other guesses that I threw out. 1)LAS
113 Post contains links clemsonaj : http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2...t-about-announce-new-low-fare-ser/ Somewhat more official notice from WN. http://www.blogsouthwest.com/news/so.
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