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Airborne Again: Irish 11/10  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12428 posts, RR: 37
Posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16356 times:

Welcome to Irish aviation 11/10!

It's strange, just looking at my first post in the last thread, to think that when the last thread was started, there was nothing to suggest that we would see the biggest flight disruption in the history of aviation - certainly in Europe. May you live in interesting times, the Chinese say, but that's a little more interesting than any of us expected, or wanted!

The good news, of course, is that the nightmare now seems to be over; it'll take a few days for flights to get back to normal and obviously one would not dare to predict what will happen going forward, but fingers crossed, we have left this sorry episode behind.

There's hardly much point in referring to the mundane day to day issues, because the focus now is definitely on trying to return to normal as soon as possible. However, I can't help wondering what effect this will have on the ongoing industrial relations issues in Aer Lingus; while the rumblings continue, the unions will understand the effect that the stoppage has had and it may yet cause EI to change its plans; certainly any attempt to call industrial action could have very severe consequences for the airline.

Anyway, with some trepidation, I'll let 11/10 down the slipway and hope that by the time we get to 12/10, things will be back to normal in Irish (and world) aviation.

Here's the link to 10/10: Ten-ten: Irish 10/2010 Rolling ... (by kaitak Apr 9 2010 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16316 times:

Knock remains closed, so no miracle there yet!

User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26916 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16285 times:

Knock Airport will be open from 1pm today. A spokesman said it is not yet clear if Aer Lingus flights to and from Gatwick in the afternoon will operate, but Aer Arann flights to and from Dublin will rsume this evening.

British Midland International, plans a phased reintroduction of its international and domestic flights to and from London Heathrow and Dublin airport

The first flight expected into Dublin Airport today is a Delta Airlines flight from Atlanta at 9am. That plane will also be the first flight to depart at 10.30am.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0421/travelupdates.html


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16277 times:
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Sounds like from reading the tail end of the previous thread that I missed a real good night's spotting at SNN yesterday. What a sight it would be to see all those BA 747's and 777's there all at the same time. As the old saying goes, it is either a feast or famine. Several days without a single plane taking off or landing then suddenly, there is a swarm of aircraft landing and unusual visitors at that. If anyone was there last night and managed to get some pictures I would love to see them.

I've been wondering about how this volcanoe has affected Omni Air's operation at SNN. Since they are not commercial flights, were they continuing to operate duting the whole thing or did they suspend operations along with all the commercial carriers?



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16250 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
However, I can't help wondering what effect this will have on the ongoing industrial relations issues in Aer Lingus.............certainly any attempt to call industrial action could have very severe consequences for the airline.

But haven't all staff groups accepted the Greenfield plan and the company are going forward with implementing the process, albeit several months behind schedule. So EI is in a better postion than seveal other carriers.


User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined Mar 2001, 529 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16226 times:

The DUB and SNN website is running very slowly at the moment.
Maybe there is too many people checking their flights.



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User currently offlinegoldcrest From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 16167 times:

The NOC flight is scheduled to operate from LGW today.

User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7117 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 16158 times:

Plenty of availability from the UK on most flights this evening.

two random routes for example:

LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL] DUB Dublin IE [EIDW]
WED 21 Apr 2010

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- --------------------------------------------------
EI 167 LHR 15:50 DUB 17:05 320 0 Y9 B0 H0 K0 M0 N0 V0 X0 L0 O0 Q0 S0 R0 W0 Z0 G9 T0
EI 169 LHR 16:50 DUB 18:05 320 0 Y9 B0 H0 K0 M0 N0 V0 X0 L0 O0 Q0 S0 R0 W0 Z0 G9 T0
EI 175 LHR 18:10 DUB 19:25 321 0 Y9 B0 H0 K0 M0 N0 V0 X0 L0 O0 Q0 S0 R0 W0 Z0 G9 T0
EI 177 LHR 19:10 DUB 20:25 321 0 Y9 B0 H0 K0 M0 N0 V0 X0 L0 O0 Q0 S0 R0 W0 Z0 G9 T0
EI 179 LHR 20:10 DUB 21:25 320 0 Y9 B0 H0 K0 M0 N0 V0 X0 L0 O0 Q0 S0 R0 W0 Z0 G9 T0
EI 183 LHR 21:10 DUB 22:25 320 0 Y9 B9 H0 K0 M0 N0 V0 X0 L0 O0 Q0 S0 R0 W0 Z0 G9 T0



GLA Glasgow Metro / Glasgow Int'l UK = GLA PIK [EGPF] DUB Dublin IE [EIDW] WED 21 Apr 2010

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- --------------------------------------------------
EI 3227 GLA 17:45 DUB 18:50 AT7 0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 N9 V9 X9 L9 O0 Q0 S9 R0 W0 Z0 G9 T0
EI 3229 GLA 20:50 DUB 21:55 AT7 0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 N9 V9 X9 L9 O0 Q0 S9 R0 W0 Z0 G9 T0



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User currently offlineal2637 From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16118 times:

EI and FR seem to be very slow getting flights back in the air. UK and Irish airspace is open, yet AFAIK, they are still not operating...

User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16117 times:

Quoting al2637 (Reply 8):
EI and FR seem to be very slow getting flights back in the air. UK and Irish airspace is open, yet AFAIK, they are still not operating...

EI from 1pm today

FR from 1 pm tomorrow (although IRE-UK not till 1 pm Friday)

Lot of re-postioning being done this morning I would guess.


User currently offlineal2637 From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16111 times:

No, not really, can't see many flights being repositioned... I guess the other question is why would they be repositioned without PAX.

Irish Airspace has been opened since ~6am.. why until 1pm to start ops? Looking at the UK the sky is full of BA, U2, BD flights..


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 16087 times:

Quoting al2637 (Reply 8):
EI and FR seem to be very slow getting flights back in the air. UK and Irish airspace is open, yet AFAIK, they are still not operating...

A lot of EI aircraft were 'trapped' overseas, certainly the European fleet. These aircraft will be bringing their crews and passengers home first. Then operating the day, as scheduled - as closely as possible. FR have been progressively cancelling all operations, as far out as possible. This was a pretty snesible decision, in a lot of ways as it prevented passengers turning up in the hope of imporvement and getting away. Given that FR flies into several airports which have very limited landside space, limited nearby hotels, etc I applaud their approach. At least people knew where they stood with FR, rather than waiting for days at the airport with some other carriers. Fair play FR, well done. FR have a contingency schedule drawn up for tomorrow, lots of added flights between Ireland the UK and European points. Ireland-UK flights have been scaled back - ferries will still be busy well into next week.

Quoting al2637 (Reply 10):
Irish Airspace has been opened since ~6am.. why until 1pm to start ops? Looking at the UK the sky is full of BA, U2, BD flights..

Gvien the dynamic situation the carriers probably wanted to be certain that these fligths could operate before calling crew from their hotels, etc. All of this takes time and there are pre-flight checks, etc that would need to be done and than 2+ hours flying time.
in any case, most people will probably not be complaining, they will be happy to get away today!

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 7):
Plenty of availability from the UK on most flights this evening.

My guess is that a lot of people who were scheduled to fly toninght cancelled thier flights and/or sought alternative modes of transport.

Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineal2637 From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 16051 times:

Not really disagreeing with any of that Brian, they just seem much slower than others. For instance there's been a Norwegian CPH-DUB flight in, turned around, and back out again already today, and Danish airspace only opened at 9am.

Sure there were EI aircraft stuck abroad, but there were also heaps of them in DUB which could have operated this morning


User currently offlineDavecFlyer From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 16037 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 11):
A lot of EI aircraft were 'trapped' overseas, certainly the European fleet

I've been listening to the radio this morning and have heard several EI flights, EI990, EI991, EI992 and EI995P both inbound and outbound so a lot of positioning going on.

Also, reported on the Irish Spotters email group, there is an Etihad B777-300 due DUB this evening. It will be A6-ETC and it's due at 18.00 overnighting till 07.50 tomorrow.

TK is an A321 which is a bit disappointing. I was hoping for an A330 or A340!

IB sent an A340 to LHR this morning so maybe we might get something bigger as well.



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User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 16038 times:

Some of the pass out here on lanzarote have been told by Aer Lingus
that tonight's EI778 will be a 'big' plane. I presume a A330 is being sent?
I know there is already a standby list for the flight even if its down
for the A330.....



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User currently offlinewexfordflyer From Ireland, joined Jun 2009, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 16003 times:

Didn't take FR long to start pissing people off. They have said that they will only provide assistance with accomodation etc to stranded passengers up to the value of the ticket they bought. So it seems very few people will even have enough to cover what they spent on even one nights accomodation. There is another draw back to those €1 flights!! I can see a bit of a battle here since this goes directly against EU regulations.

I do agree it seems EI were very slow off the mark. I wouldn't expect them to be able to start a full schedule this morning but as has been saiid, there were some aircraft in DUB this morning that could have gotten some flights away but having said that I'm sure alot of people don't mind waiting a little longer once they know the end is in sight!!

It's been a while since a buzz like this has been felt simply for flights getting away normally!!!



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User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2152 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15973 times:

Quoting DavecFlyer (Reply 13):
Also, reported on the Irish Spotters email group, there is an Etihad B777-300 due DUB this evening. It will be A6-ETC and it's due at 18.00 overnighting till 07.50 tomorrow.

The DAA website says this is delayed till 2055, may just be able to take a trip over to DUB to see it arrive now.


User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15918 times:

Quoting al2637 (Reply 12):
Not really disagreeing with any of that Brian, they just seem much slower than others. For instance there's been a Norwegian CPH-DUB flight in, turned around, and back out again already today, and Danish airspace only opened at 9am.

Sure there were EI aircraft stuck abroad, but there were also heaps of them in DUB which could have operated this morning

Don't forget EI got stung the day before when Monday night IAA said Irish Airspace open then a 3 in the morning they closed it again. EI were going to have flights leave that morning.

I see FR have change the times for restarting with 5am for Non UK-Ireland routes tomorrow and 5am Friday for UK-Ireland.

Quoting wexfordflyer (Reply 15):
Didn't take FR long to start pissing people off. They have said that they will only provide assistance with accomodation etc to stranded passengers up to the value of the ticket they bought. So it seems very few people will even have enough to cover what they spent on even one nights accomodation. There is another draw back to those €1 flights!! I can see a bit of a battle here since this goes directly against EU regulations.

Yeah, this is going to be interesting to see what comes of this especially from the EU/Consumer people


User currently offlineEIEGAA From Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15898 times:

Does anyone know if CO have been able to get into BFS today? I know they had a few flights cancelled. Any word on any carriers (CO/EI/any charters) sending widebodies to BFS to clear the backlog?


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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15850 times:

Quoting EIEGAA (Reply 18):
Does anyone know if CO have been able to get into BFS today?

the BFS-EWR for today is shown as cancelled, looks to be operating as normal tomorrow, though.

Quoting DavecFlyer (Reply 13):
there is an Etihad B777-300 due DUB this evening. It will be A6-ETC and it's due at 18.00 overnighting till 07.50 tomorrow.

That will be a sight! IIRC AF have sent their COI configured 77W in the past for Heniken Cup, but I don't think there has been another regularly scheduled 77W visiting DUB before? Certianly not one in a scheme as dramatic at the EY. If the weather holds out some good pictures could eb shot!

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 14):
Some of the pass out here on lanzarote have been told by Aer Lingus
that tonight's EI778 will be a 'big' plane.

EI have cancelled DUB-SNN-BOS (133) and DUB-JFK (105) today, my guess is these aircraft will be used to clear as much of the backlog as possible. Places like the canaries are the most likely, only option to get off was flying to madrid and onwards overland to the UK and then onto Ireland.
Is is almost scary how easily Ireland can be cut off from the world! At least the UK has the channel tunnell connection to the continent. One wonders if a tunnell under the Irish sea would be a good idea, connecting ireland to the UK train network/HSR and onwards to Europe. Imagine boarding a train in Huston or Kent station, getting to London in a matter of hours. I know the costs would be horrendous and there are much higher priorities for spending. Still an interesing thought though.

Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7117 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15829 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 19):
looks to be operating as normal tomorrow, though

A 757 with loads of availability on it


BFS Belfast Metro / Belfast Int'l UK = BFS BHD [EGAA]
EWR New York Newark Liberty Int'l NJ US [KEWR]

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- --------------------------------------------------------
CO 95 BFS 11:20 EWR 13:45 757 0 J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 K0 Q9 U0 V9 G0 W9 E0 S9 T0 N9 L9



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User currently offlineal2637 From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15811 times:

That shows 18 seats availability (9 business, 9 Economy), although there maybe more, the CRS can only show a max of 9. You can't add up all the individual booking classes, as they are usually based on a function of full Y or full C.

User currently offlineEIDAA From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 828 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15816 times:
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Thanks to a link posted on the Irish Spotters email group, we now have live tracking for the Dublin area...

http://casper.frontier.nl/eidw/

This follows on from the excellent EHAM tracker.



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User currently offlinePenPusher From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15800 times:

Does anyone know if CO have been able to get into BFS today? I know they had a few flights cancelled. Any word on any carriers

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 14):
Some of the pass out here on lanzarote have been told by Aer Lingus
that tonight's EI778 will be a 'big' plane. I presume a A330 is being sent

Yes! A330 EI-ORD is on the way, just passed Waterford heading in that direction on the EIN778


User currently offlineEIDAA From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 828 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15791 times:
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Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 14):
Some of the pass out here on lanzarote have been told by Aer Lingus
that tonight's EI778 will be a 'big' plane. I presume a A330 is being sent?
I know there is already a standby list for the flight even if its down
for the A330.....

Looking at the aforementioned tracker, EI-ORD left Dublin a short time ago as the EIN778 to ACE.

Quoting goldcrest (Reply 6):
The NOC flight is scheduled to operate from LGW today.

EI-DEC is currently routing in to NOC.

A6-EYN is also on the way in to DUB as the ETD041C. It would be great to see the B77W arrive later, but I won't be able to get over there this evening.

...good to see things starting to get back to normal!



Most Flown:- G-BUVA (20 Flights), EI-DEB (12 Flights), EI-JFK (11 Flights)
25 oa260 : Great thanks for the link will have a look later.
26 aerdingus : Just saw EY A332 glide in to DUB, sounded great, confirmed on Radar Virtuel just in case because I'm blind, but will there be a B777 later? Would lov
27 EISHN : If EI-DUB is still sitting outside the EI hangar in SNN, could it potentially be deployed to Europe (or elsewhere) by EI?
28 Part147 : That link is fantastic!!! Does anybody know why there's a A380 flying (15:30pm) westwards at 38,000 ft with a smaller unidentified aircraft flying 2,
29 abc9 : Delayed to 2215 now according to the DAA website
30 shamrock321 : Back to work today and what a strange day! Both DL flights were not full, not sure about the US, quite a few misplaced bags aswell. IB upgraded to an
31 Post contains links EI320 : What a sight! http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanair/4540894658/
32 kaitak : Absolutely brilliant; thanks for sharing! It'll take a few days for all the backlog to be cleared, but at least we're flying again! Am I missing some
33 Post contains links aerdingus : Cheers for that It sure is!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanair/4540894658/ Wow, looks like T5![Edited 2010-04-21 10:13:50]
34 COEI2007 : EI-ORD was operating ACE today, and is heading to TFS in the morning. And additional flights to FUE, CTA, AGP and a few other places are planned to cl
35 minty33 : Unfortunately for the airlines, its the law. Just watched the news and they had a spokesperson from the regulators office (love them or not) who said
36 Post contains images ClassicLover : Cheeky Ryanair and quite typical I'm due out to LGW on FR on Sunday, be interested to see how busy it is. I've not checked in online yet, just in case
37 LIFFY1A : I think it would be a bit rich of Ryanair customers to expect to be reimbursed hundreds of euro for hotel and food costs when they may have only paid
38 wexfordflyer : At the end of the day it is the law. I'm not saying it is right or wrong but it is the law when flights are delayed or cancelled. There really are 2
39 Nibog : What a sight indeed,I was looking forward to somebody posting that photo,and yes terminal 6 in the west!!!!!!!!!.Just as I type the RE LDY flight is
40 wexfordflyer : It's not compensation as such though but its the law that airlines must provide passengers with food and accomodation in the case of delays or cancel
41 LIFFY1A : I agree, the law is the law and everyone should abide by it but it's a ridiculous law. I wonder does the same law apply to other methods of transport
42 Post contains images oa260 : Amazing pic and looks great . Shame its not a regular sight. Thats a good website. One of the best Ive seen. An AA777 and BA777 over Ireland at prese
43 JWMD123 : Funny you should say that. I heard Stephen McNamara on the radio this evening and he said there is a draft regulation at the EU for ferries similar t
44 oa260 : Its a bit different. If the trains are cancelled as happened with me a few weeks back due to bomb alert then NIR and IE lay on coaches. Same thing ha
45 eicvd : Thanks for sharing that, it sure is excellent! Saw that on approach aswell, I was going to go over & see the 77W arrive but when I knew it was de
46 Post contains links Part147 : Just viewed the Casper Live tracking website and I've noticed the following great features ...after dark... all the aircraft icons have flashing nav l
47 IRISH251 : The origin and destination information may not be accurate, especially for charter operators who over time may reuse the same number for flights on d
48 kaitak : Three new Ryanair 737s inbound today: EI-EKY and 'KZ and 'EMA.
49 Eagleboy : I too think the FR decision to cancel all flights ahead of time rather than waiting on IAA/NATS reports was proably better for them. They could have
50 Eagleboy : Just looking at that caspar live air tracking. It is showing the EI108 inbound, but the aircrat icon is significantly larger than the other A320 in th
51 Post contains links oa260 : Arr ok maybe it was positioning for another flight. ---- THE Irish Aviation Authority has rejected any suggestion it over-reacted in closing Irish ai
52 tonymctigue : Quite the picture all right. Almost like a mini LHR. I made a quick stop on my way to Limerick yesterday evening to see if any BA birds were still th
53 aerdingus : I'd imagine with all the huge delays and backlog getting back into the air it's easy to fall into get-there-itis but good to see they are being safe.
54 wexfordflyer : I think you are right. There needs to be some regulation about it but in this case it seems a bit ridoculous that airlines should have to pay out so
55 Post contains links OA260 : RTÉ's Cathy Halloran reports that Shannon Airport is quiet this morning. There are no scheduled Aer Lingus services to New York and the service to Bo
56 Post contains links EISHN : Looks like Mick has changed his mind: http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryana...mply-with-unfair-eu261-regulations
57 Post contains images al2637 : They wheeled out Stephen McNamara on the radio this morning to announce it.... favourite quote: "Michael realises he was wrong yesterday" Something I'
58 tonymctigue : I must say, this must be the first time we've ever heard Michael row back on something he said. He does have a fair point though that the airlines sh
59 EI320 : Must have realised he was heading into sticky territory if he pushed it any further. He was never going to get away with it. There's no excuse for br
60 shamrock321 : The EY 777 is still at DUB, itsnot leaving until 0230. Something to do with crew rest, they took alot of guests who were only going to AUH off the ear
61 Post contains images aerdingus : Sigh, such inconvenience. No one ever thinks of the spotters! But that must be a major pain in the arse.
62 eicvd : Cheers for that, I sense a little trip over to DUB later this evening. Dont care if its just sitting idle but im not missing the chance to see that b
63 Post contains links Aer Lingus : This is about as best an angle as I could get on the EY 77W, lovely aircraft. A6-ETC http://www.flickr.com/photos/shamrock2145/4543210507/
64 OA260 : Headline on the Evening Herald tonight ''Ryanair Surrender''.
65 Nibog : Thanks for sharing that,on my recent trip at check-in at DUB,the servisair agent was telling me that in the autumn EY will be going 2x daily,from 10
66 styles9002 : Disagree entirely; civil disobedience is a human obligation if a law is immoral or unethical. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it is righ
67 CelticMech : No Chance. Its not owned by EI anymore. Its also off the Irish Register
68 Phen : Nice to see that EI-ELA is now named St Patrick, keeps the tradition going nicely.
69 OA260 : To a certain extent yes but everything in moderation. Does that mean that disgruntled FR passengers can go smash the windows of FR head office? There
70 flynikiguy : Think it would look great in the EI livery.....why, why, why???
71 Post contains images OA260 : LOL.... how to fill them? Why not get 748's ?
72 Post contains images flynikiguy : Ah I never thought of that , If I was in charge of EI they'd be bankrupt already lol
73 Eagleboy : But its a big step back from his "see you in court" comment. Perhaps it would be preferable for a monetary or time limit to be placed on the compensa
74 neutral : Nice to hear some good news but it seems very quick to be adding 4 more weekly flights so soon after going from 7 weekly to 10 weekly.
75 tonymctigue : That's good news but lets wait till an official announcement before we get carried away. That EY 77W looks absolutely amazing. Would love to see an E
76 AmricanShamrok : I thought they'd wait and rename the flagship A350 St Patrick?
77 styles9002 : Civil disobedience implies non-violence.
78 Pe@rson : So, FR refused to pay but then decided that it will. Jet2 is refusing to pay. BD refused to pay, like FR, but later said it will.
79 shamrock350 : It's tradition to have a St Patrick in the fleet and there's still another five years to go before Aer Lingus is expected to take delivery of any A35
80 Post contains images shamrock604 : Well well, isn't it great to be all back to normal again. It was getting worrying there for a while. I was awaiting the first announcements of airline
81 Post contains links shamrock350 : Aer Arann have changed their baggage policy. - Cabin baggage remains at 7Kgs for all flights. - Checked baggage remains free at 15Kgs for domestic fli
82 Post contains images shamrock604 : Ah, the Aerlingus-isation of RE continues.... About time. This carrying around bits of A4 paper disguised as a boarding pass is very last century. Th
83 oa260 : Thats a good idea . I wonder if the DAA will drag their heels though ! Apparantly DAA want the airlines to pay for the scanners.
84 Post contains links kaitak : Probably a false economy; yes, I appreciate that they have quite a debt load, but if there are things that they can do to offer a faster pax experien
85 Eagleboy : Am sure ELA shall go in for repaint the winter of 2014 so the first A350 in 2015 shall be Patrick. EI have done this before. 2/3 B747s were St.Patric
86 neutral : The DAA has recent photos of T2 and Pier E on their website now offering a better idea of what the final finish will look like in both areas
87 Post contains links oa260 : It looks amazing cant believe it will be open before the end of the year. Certainly cant wait to experience it. For those wanting the direct link : h
88 kaitak : They're certainly doing a terrific job; it looks great and I certainly can't wait to see it in operation. Well done DAA!
89 shamrock604 : Wow! I love certain elements of it - like the mood lighting at the security gates, the Pier looks great also! Would love to see some snaps of the bag
90 Aer Lingus : if refurbishment = demolition then it will have emulated it its a horrible place to transit through when busy and its an even worse place to work: it
91 Post contains images shamrock604 : He he.. yeah I know what you mean... But seriously, we all know that probably wont happen. At the least, level Pier A (Sorry the 200 gates!), and bui
92 Post contains links oa260 : Dempsey calls for EU air passenger fund Minister for Transport Noel Dempsey has said a fund should be created at European level for passengers affecte
93 shamrock604 : Jesus, Im surprised he even knew about the European ATFM situation. Perhaps i've under-rated him.
94 Eagleboy : This statement from a guy who doesn't seem to have any opinions let alone vision of air travel in Ireland. Maybe he has heard of Eurocontrol in Brusse
95 Post contains images shamrock604 : Indeed. I mean, he isnt wrong. It is ridiculous, that despite Eurocontrol, the states still control their little patch of airspace. (Except us and th
96 Post contains links oa260 : McEvaddy runway battle to take off in High Court Aviation entrepreneurs Ulick and Des McEvaddy are taking Transport Minister Noel Dempsey to court in
97 Post contains images EISHN : Afternoon folks, I was driving back from SNN this morning, when at around 06:35 I saw an aircraft on finals as I was coming up to the final roundabout
98 Post contains links EI787 : I may be wrong but it could have been a US Air Force aircraft. Looking here, http://casper.frontier.nl/eidw/, I see 'RCH478' descending into SNN at a
99 BrianDromey : I don't think it's always been there, it not on my booking made last week. My guess it might be for use with SSK's? I have seen it at US carriers, yo
100 EISHN : Timing, direction and rate of descent would make this the likely suspect, but most RCH aircraft seem to be C-17s, which this definately was not. Init
101 oa260 : I booked last night and got my email back and noticed the new layout.
102 Post contains links and images clydenairways : This perhaps? View Large View MediumPhoto © Jonathan Morgan
103 tonymctigue : I was going to say it sounds like the new Omni Air International livery althoughas far as I'm aware, they do not operate the A320. I was at SNN earli
104 EISHN : That's the one alright! I thought at first that it was a 757 alright, and it looks like I was right. What is it they say, always trust your first ins
105 shamrock604 : I dont know how I feel about this at the moment. Realistically, DUB has enough capacity now to see it through about 10-15 years of growth once things
106 Post contains links EI320 : A fledgling water company in Lissycasey (Co Clare) is tapping into a lucrative market on the continent after securing an annual contract to supply 14
107 kaitak : My personal feeling is in favour of this; there is far too much "cosiness" between the various departments and semi-state agencies, as evidenced by t
108 Post contains links and images shamrock350 : Now wouldn't this be a nice way to celebrate the 75th birthday? Aviation-Designs.Net:Design © R P AbrahamTemplate © R P AbrahamAviation-Designs.Net:
109 oa260 : Yes the first one is my fav. Would look fab.
110 al2637 : Have to say, I wouldn't be in favor of this at all. It will lead to a race to the bottom in terms of customer experience. The McEvaddys will need to
111 Post contains links and images al2637 : Actually, the original proposal: http://www.fdb.ie/Ulick_McEvaddy.pdf Some gems: PAX CAPACITY - 35M PAX Ok, I know this was in competition to T2, and
112 bestwestern : How many airports in Europe have competing terminals operated by different companies?
113 styles9002 : Not exactly the same, but in Moscow there are competing private airports (Domodedovo and Sheremetyevo) in the same city.
114 neutral : From the DAA website The first passengers are expected to use Dublin Airport’s new Terminal Two in October as part of the testing process for the ne
115 bestwestern : Very different. In the US, there are airport terminals within an airport - JFK for example - and look what a mess they have there. If I have land fro
116 Post contains links bestwestern : FR is cutting Prague from its network: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36802877/ns/business This will allow fares on the route to rise, and give OK an abi
117 EireRock : [ While this would be fantastic, especially if OK were to re-enter the Irish market, i cannot see it happening. FR seem to be trying this plan with al
118 oa260 : They should make sure the baggage belts work and use realistic weights and sizes that you would get on the peakest Summer months to make sure it does
119 Post contains links bestwestern : Another example. This company demanding access to DUB runways would be the same as the Renaissance hotel in Heathrow demanding access to the runways
120 shamrock321 : Got word that I will have the pleasure of working in T2 when it opens as the US carriers and EY will move over!
121 BrianDromey : I wonder if airports are taking a slightly longer term view. While the increased passenger numbers FR (and other LCC's) can bring are great for footf
122 Post contains links oa260 : Charges set to rise at Dublin Airport Wednesday, April 28, 2010 PASSENGER charges will increase next month at Dublin Airport as the country’s three
123 COEI2007 : OK may re-enter, which would be good for connections via PRG. Im sure EI are happy with this; I wonder will they increase capacity from the current 5
124 sawtooth : GWY-BFS daily now in Manx2 timetable. Would have thought BHD a better fit but looks like Manx are giving GWY a go with ORK/BFS.
125 eicvd : Does anyone know what aircraft/airline arrived in DUB just after 1800 & departed around 2100 with the flight number(?) AEY24P. Saw this on the Dub
126 COEI2007 : A UA-CO merger could be announced shortly; any guesses to what impact it would have on the Irish market, and the current relationship between EI and U
127 AuleyAir : Air Italy 767 was in DUB today, I saw that on radarvirtuel. I don't know the reason that they were here. Do anyone know the reason???
128 styles9002 : If and when the merger does go ahead, I can't see CO quitting the BFS/DUB/SNN routes so I would guess that any new UA/CO entity would probably cease
129 shamrock321 : The Air Italy 767 departed to LOS with passengers being deported from Ireland. LG operated a late flight last night which also carried a number of pas
130 Eagleboy : The first is my favourite. I think the 1965-1970's livery would be a great counterpoint to the current green top livery. Anyone know who much it woul
131 Post contains links oa260 : Dixons to open stores in terminals 1 and 2 at Dublin Airport British electrical retailer Dixons is set to open outlets in Dublin Airport's existing te
132 neutral : Aer Lingus according to the media have not yet decided if they'll move their operations to T2 at Dublin but surely if the new CBP is located in Pier E
133 clydenairways : What they should really do is come up with a proposal to use the land to develop a proper Cargo terminal. This is what the Airport is really missing.
134 EI320 : I'm guessing this is the reason they haven't committed themselves yet. A deal will be struck eventually as the DAA really have no business in opening
135 Post contains links shamrock350 : Aer Lingus has a new routemap on their website, looks and works much better than the last one. The Aer Lingus and United Airlines codeshare seems to h
136 AmricanShamrok : Daily 752 service on IAD-DUB? Not all as far as I know. Only 4 of BD flights and 4 of EI flights to/from DUB were codeshared with UA as of the Winter
137 oa260 : Exactly EI will say to the DAA take it or leave it . A good deal will no doubt be got by EI in negotiations. Dont play all your cards at once is the
138 tolmachevo : One point... If you open the the North America map, it opens somewhere southwest of southern Chile (at first I thought it may be Greenland) Also here
139 JWMD123 : Most of the flights you refer to are flow in in the afternoon by EI and so would not be suitable for onward connections to the US. Those that EI do o
140 EI320 : I suspect they'll be looking for fees which are in line with those of T1. Other than that, I can't see why any further incentives should be needed. T
141 Post contains links EI320 : Appointment of Chief Operating Officer Aer Lingus Group plc ("Aer Lingus") announces the appointment of Trevor Jensen as Chief Operating Officer. Mr
142 tonymctigue : Or could we see a merged CO/UA increase their codeshare agreement with EI and offer passengers the option of transferring to EI's European network at
143 COEI2007 : I think the IAD-MAD service would be cut as CO would prefer to focus US-MAD operations on its EWR-MAD flights. I think a CO-UA and EI relationship co
144 styles9002 : Reports in the WSJ today indicate a CO/UA merger is imminent and will be announced on Monday. If this does happen, it will certainly significantly im
145 oa260 : Just seen a special report on CBS and they said that also.
146 shamrock321 : SXF is now back operating as a morning service, and double daily on Monday and Friday, and yet EI still dont offer connections to JFK even tough possi
147 tonymctigue : I've been under the same impression that current UA management are not well liked wheras the CO management are very well liked by their employees. Wi
148 bestwestern : Especially with perfect connections like this SAT 08 May 2010 EI 108 JFK 21:50 DUB 09:45 +1 330 -> EI 332 DUB 10:45 +1 SXF 13:55 +1 320 1hr exactly
149 Post contains links EI320 : Aer Lingus have published their annual report. Worth a read. http://www.aerlingus.com/cgi-bin/obe...0&P_OID=-536880593&C_OID=536889614
150 oa260 : Havnt read the report but I heard on 2FM News how much DM got paid
151 AuleyAir : According to RTE new, DM got paid €764k. Other question about T2 open in Oct for testing, do they open to public or by invite only or how it this w
152 oa260 : I presume if they plan to test real flights then passengers on the specific flights might get emails asking them to go to T2 or they might have groun
153 Eagleboy : Those connections are quite tight. B gates to D gates on the first one, and heading west I dont think you can connect and clear immigration in under
154 kaitak : Do I sense sarcasm; surely not! Seriously, though, quite apart from a fairly massive salary, it seems that CM's first year has been dominated by undo
155 AmricanShamrok : EI have a lot to lose if they don't move into T2 though. If they stay in T1 it leaves them at a major competitive disadvantage on transatlantic route
156 bestwestern : BA does this in shannon in 20.
157 Eagleboy : Thats in a smaller terminal with a designated BA passenger area. Also aren't there less than 40 pax on the A318? In 1 hour 10 mins you want pax to get
158 AmricanShamrok : BA carries a maximum of 32 passengers on each flight (BA1 and BA3) and no other flights are being pre-cleared at the times BA uses it. I'd imagine it
159 kaitak : The new airline will indeed operate under the UA brand; sadly, the CO brand - one of the most respected in the US - will disappear. The airline will,
160 Post contains links david_itl : RE have dropped both new LDY services due low bookings before they've even begun. This is their press release
161 bestwestern : Why does everything Irish have to be such a problem. DUB has something in common with AMS and CDG! It works there, and it works in Dublin. Why do we
162 oa260 : Not really a surprise. lol... Give me DUB over CDG anyday.
163 bestwestern : The CDG is terrible to transit anet Myth. If you stay on Air france / Skyteam within Terminal 2, 1 hour transits are a breeze. I've done 2F -> 2E
164 oa260 : Been burnt too many times and my Dad got burnt again last week so its LH to FRA then the bus or LX to ZRH then the TGV. Im not doing DUB-CDG-SXB and
165 bestwestern : To be fair, last week isn't a fair comparison. Anyone travelling got burnt. €264 ++ ? What about AMS SXB? DUB Dublin IE [EIDW] SXB Strasbourg Entzh
166 shamrock321 : I from my own knowledge wouldnt book SXF-DUB-JFK with EI, the 332 is usually operated by either an aircraft which has done 2 early UK rotations or the
167 oa260 : It wasnt ash cloud related. When Ive looked at flights its been way more and just taking random dates 3-8/6 its minimum of €304 and I looked for a
168 Post contains links bestwestern : Shamrock - please - lets look at the stats before making wide statements. http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...ortCode=SXF&arrivalAirportCode=DU
169 shamrock321 : bestwestern read my post again before you make such posts! I said I, me, mise, shamrock321 has flown on this flgiht 5/6 times and it is always late, I
170 kaitak : Guys, can we just chill for a bit, before the Mods come in and call a halt. Everyone has favourite airports and connections. Let's just agree to disag
171 oa260 : Did FR used to fly scheduled DUB-FCO in the old days with BAC1-11? Just listening to the Late Late show tribute to Gerry Ryan and Pat Kenny was saying
172 kaitak : I don't think so (but I can't say for definite); I do know they flew DUB-MUC at one stage. Could it have been a charter? I do recall they did quite a
173 shamrock321 : Your right Kaitak, no disrespect to bestwestern, my apoligies. Sitting here watching the late late aswell, tragic that an icon like Gerry Ryan is gone
174 oa260 : He was talking about having to land in NCE to refuel also. Indeed I remember him from the day I came here. Loved his 2FM show. I also remember him on
175 neutral : Did FR used to fly scheduled DUB-FCO in the old days with BAC1-11? Just listening to the Late Late show tribute to Gerry Ryan and Pat Kenny was saying
176 clydenairways : All Charters... And to CIA, not FCO. FR operated lots of charters in during the late 80's early 90's with the 1-11 and Italia 90 was no exception, ev
177 AmricanShamrok : Interesting to see that from July, KIR will have nearly as many scheduled daily flights as SNN (10 departures compared to 12 departures). Who would ha
178 EI320 : Well at least Pat knows his BAC 1-11's from the rest, hard to believe they couldn't make DUB non-stop though. Pat himself seemed more comfortable on t
179 shamrock321 : Charter season starts tommorow! Lanzarote Monarch MON7504 01-05-2010 07:00 Lanzarote Monarch MON7692 01-05-2010 07:30 Verona Europe Airpost ABR411J 01
180 eicvd : Is tomorrow the last day of the Jet4you & Tunis Air flights?
181 Post contains images oa260 : Was it A310 or A330 operated? Nice to have the direct link back again for the Summer.
182 Post contains links and images EI320 : OK heads up Irish a.netters, on a brighter note - here's something we can look forward to........ The DAA is planning to advertise for volunteers to p
183 oa260 : It could be the first ever Irish Anet meet lol...
184 f1eddie : Good luck in organising that! It would be cool though.
185 Post contains images oa260 : I wasnt volunteering or saying Id attend Depends on when these demos are taking place and what the selection process is. Hopefully I will have more p
186 Post contains links bestwestern : Nice youtube for those who have not seen it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQH5K8xs7kA&feature=rec-r2-2f-1-HM
187 Post contains images EI320 : Now there's an idea... although note the way the DAA says "watered".. "We’ll make sure they’re fed and watered and we’re giving them the chance
188 shamrock321 : I think the Jet4you and TU programme continue for a while, the TU programme is the old %r programme which went all alst summer and the Jet4your progra
189 oa260 : Didnt know EI had an all white F50. Nice pics . Loved my flight on the MD-11 BFS-SNN .
190 bestwestern : If you notice the White F50 kept its PH reg, so this was probably a short term assignment.
191 aer lingus : This won't be the first ever Irish A.Net meet. It might be the second one though, because we already had one in 2003 or 2004 should be 2003 if I reme
192 Post contains images tonymctigue : It is sad to hear the CO brand will disappear. The CO brand is by far superior to the UA brand. It is even more upsetting given the fact that CO used
193 bestwestern : The chances of KIR or NOC being closed by a politican are close to zero. I agree 100%, but all politics is local. The response from Kerry will be "I
194 Post contains images oa260 : Before my time so its a first for me
195 tonymctigue : Hence the reason why our transport policy needs to be from an independent source. Also it is easy to blame politicians but politicians only lobbying
196 bestwestern : The west of Ireland needs central financing, and will never be able to stand on its own two feet. Yes, but you try telling people that they are loosi
197 Post contains images Greenjet : On three separate trips with AF through T2 in 2007 I missed my connection each time. Long bus journeys from aircraft to the terminal (even at 5am whe
198 sawtooth : Tony, I agree it's a bit daft having 8 small subsidised airports in a line from Derry to Cork, all chopping and changing routes and canabalising poten
199 Post contains images tonymctigue : Yes I know this is not directly aviation related but it ties in with what we were talking about in terms of government policy and taking hard decisio
200 Aer Lingus : just on Gerry Ryan, think it was john mccolgan on the radio this morning said he was mad into aircraft and military things too, one of his quirks appa
201 oa260 : Yeah I can remember him chatting about airlines etc.. he certainly knew more than most broadcasters.
202 TravelGuy : And will the airlines be able to get compensation from the government authorities as well? And who will compensate the flower seller who paid for a d
203 Irish251 : The photos were lifted from this site without photographers being asked for their permission. I see several of my own images there. I particularly li
204 shamrock604 : Leveraging BD does absolutely no good when you are sending pax 2 hours in the wrong direction. I dont see EI gaining anything in this merger, but I d
205 Post contains links oa260 : Low cost airline bmiBaby sees potential to add more flights from Belfast in future, but will not rush to expand in the short-term as the airline indus
206 styles9002 : Fair points, but what's to stop CO/UA launching its own flights from IAD to DUB? If and when CO management take over the proposed CO/UA entity, I can
207 shamrock604 : I'd be just delighted if UA/CO did just that and launch IAD-DUB. They have the right aircraft for it in the 757, or even the 767-200. The reason I do
208 shamrock604 : It appears you are indeed correct Mr Styles9002... I've had a peek in Amadeus, and DL122 JFK-SNN operates MON,THU,FRI,SAT while DL123 SNN-JFK operate
209 BrianDromey : The DAA treatment might have something to do with rules regarding publicly traded companies? Ei and the DAA may well have an understanding regarding s
210 bestwestern : The EI response is not logical... DAA never said that Aer Lingus had fitted out desks... they said the desks are being fitted out. So, neither is cont
211 AmricanShamrok : That's great news. I see EI have 4 weekly SNN-JFK flights lined up for the winter too (these will not originate and terminate in DUB like previous wi
212 tonymctigue : These are both positive developments for SNN. Perhaps we've finally turned a corner and will start to see growth from our airports again. I can't hel
213 styles9002 : AMS is also missing from JFK for AA and could probably be served with a B757. Yet, as I don't think AA serves AMS at all, DUB is probably a better ch
214 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : I was there one day about a month ago and for the whole hour and a half I was there, there was just 1 movement - BA3 landing from LCY. I've noticed t
215 Post contains images shamrock604 : Yes, indeed Bestwestern. I had noticed the differing wordings alright, and if you follow the statements to the letter, it is correct to say that noth
216 Post contains links and images oa260 : EU decides to lift ban on liquids in cabin baggage IRISH tourists will no longer have to give up expensive perfumes or duty-free drink to airport scre
217 Post contains links oa260 : http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0503/ash.html IAA warns of 'no fly zone' tomorrow The Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) has said 'no fly zone' may have to be
218 Post contains links spokemd : Hi, I was looking at some of the Aer Lingus timetables at http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/ei.htm and noticed that the name on the Aer Lingus Octob
219 Post contains links kaitak : I think that is "Teoranta", the Irish word for "Limited"; more recently, that would just have been abbreviated to Teo. Bloody hell; here we go again!
220 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : Oh stop, don't get me started! TTA (or Tta) stands for Teoranta which is the Irish word for "limited". The same way the Ltd symbol stands for Limited
221 Post contains images AerLingusA330 : Agreed. IMHO, this will be the case. CO leadership has enough common sense to realize this and I believe the EI metal will be ending in the medium te
222 Post contains links oa260 : IAA have just released info that disruptions and cancellations will take place tomorrow as Irish airspace is restricted from 7am. The Irish Aviation A
223 shamrock604 : UA could have run it themselves to begin with, so why didnt they?
224 Eagleboy : Absolutely,people can't accept that the ash cloud was nobodies fault. While I agree with the lasck of contradiction in statements the tone of the art
225 shamrock604 : It's a good point. You would assume like everywhere else in the airport, that CUTE (Common User Terminal Equipment) will be used, and that all FIDS d
226 Post contains links rojam : Aah sweet f'n divine, here we go for a 3rd time - [RTE] [Irish Times] [Bbc]. My usual Monday (or Tues in this case) morning bus to work is non-op agai
227 Post contains links oa260 : Main developments: Flights in and out of Irish airports suspended from 7am to 1pm Dublin, Cork, Shannon, Kerry, Knock, Donegal and Sligo airports affe
228 Post contains links JWMD123 : All Irish flights back to normal. Local weather service however says there could be more disruptions during the week http://www.met.ie/default.asp
229 Post contains links kaitak : Aer Lingus reports sharp drop in first quarter losses: http://www.businessworld.ie/livenews.htm?a=2596028;s=rollingnews.htm Loss down by around half,
230 LUPOR1D : Continental are sending a 767-400 to Shannon tonight, as last nights flight was cancelled.
231 Post contains links kaitak : Irish 12/10 is ready to roll, ash clouds permitting ... Ireland In Flight: Irish Aviation 12/10 (by kaitak May 4 2010 in Civil Aviation)
232 Post contains links Part147 : Not so fast Kiatak... things are starting up [or should that be slowing down???] again... http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0505/travelupdates.html Expect d
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