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AA 757 @ LHR & General 757 Q?  
User currently offlineLhrRampRats From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 54 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5686 times:

Just recently American have been operating 757s into LHR. On what routes are these serving and with CO also using 757s into the 'ROW' what are the chances of Delta and USAirways following suit??
Also do United Airlines use their 757s internationally??

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User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5563 times:

LHR-BOS only on two of the three daily flights.

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5385 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 1):
LHR-BOS only on two of the three daily flights.

One of two daily flights.

Quoting LhrRampRats (Thread starter):
what are the chances of Delta and USAirways following suit??

DL and US already are flying trans-Atlantic 757s; however only AA and CO are flying them with a uniform product that is near-identical to their widebodies. The DL and US products are a step down from their respective widebody fleets.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5311 times:

Quoting LhrRampRats (Thread starter):
Also do United Airlines use their 757s internationally??

Not longhaul,, but one of their ORD-YYZ-ORD flights is a 757 5 days a week.


User currently offlineLhrRampRats From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5297 times:

I know of DL and US operating 757s into europe but the question was, what are the chances of these carriers following suit with 757 operations into LHR??

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

Quoting LhrRampRats (Reply 4):
I know of DL and US operating 757s into europe but the question was, what are the chances of these carriers following suit with 757 operations into LHR??

Close to zero. AA and CO have a substantially better premium product on their trans-Atlantic 757 fleets; US and DL have a poor product that is not suited for the London market but is perfectly adequate in little/no-competition and leisure-heavy markets like OSL and AGP.



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User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1264 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5242 times:

I know that CO if offering a very good product on the 757 , and I know that US is offering a horrible product (old planes, no Inseat Video etc.). But I did not know that DL product is worse than AA? At least DL has a better economy cabin than AA because the AA 757 Y Cabin is not good at all (did fly it on the JFK-BRU leg).


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User currently offlineLhrRampRats From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

Have to say VERY surprised to hear that DL 757s offer poor premium service on 757s. Its just this a/c has almost been given a second life with the major airlines on transatlantic routes and with the winglets even more so!!

User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5079 times:

I would like to know what exactly it is that this crowd thinks is inferior about DL's 757 TATL product. In Y it blows the other majors out of the water with leather seats and PTV's with AVOD. In J, the seats are brand new Recaro seats that are even more comfortable than the J seats on the 767-300ER's, also with AVOD PTV's. Have you people even flown in these seats to qualify you to make comments like that? How about on AA or CO to make the comparison? What exactly would you say is inferior about it? I would say DL's 757 TATL product is at least on-par with the other majors, if not better.

But I agree that it is not sufficient for the LHR market, and that is why DL has invested in the new 764 lie-flat J product for the LHR market.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

People who are saying that DL's 757 TATL service is worse than AA's is B.S. AA doesn't even have a PTV in Y on the international 757s.


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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 6):
I know that CO if offering a very good product on the 757 , and I know that US is offering a horrible product (old planes, no Inseat Video etc.). But I did not know that DL product is worse than AA?

CO uses a "near lie flat" seat that will soon be replaced with a lie-flat product. I believe it goes to 170 degrees or so, but somebody can correct me.

AA has an angled lie-flat product that goes 180 degrees; it is the same exact seat used on the 777.

US and DL both have old-style recliner seats. Comfortable, for sure, but a little outdated for the year 2010, especially considering installation was in 2007-08 or so. But given the markets US/DL fly them to, it's not really going to hurt them. You don't need a lie-flat seat to be competitive to, say, Malaga. Between the two, though, I would definitely give the edge to DL.

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 6):
At least DL has a better economy cabin than AA because the AA 757 Y Cabin is not good at all (did fly it on the JFK-BRU leg).

No disagreement there. The lack of PTVs is inexcusable and there are two too many rows on the AA 75Ls in coach.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5015 times:

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 8):
In Y it blows the other majors out of the water with leather seats and PTV's with AVOD.
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 9):
AA doesn't even have a PTV in Y on the international 757s.

What on earth does Y have anything to do with this conversation?

The answer was addressed clearly focusing on the business class cabin, which on both Delta and US Airways is simply not competitive enough to be used to the London market; whereareas on American and Continental it is.

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 8):
In J, the seats are brand new Recaro seats that are even more comfortable than the J seats on the 767-300ER's, also with AVOD PTV's.

In the year 2010, it is not acceptable to not have a form of 180 degree business product on an international plane, IMO. And while US and DL are clearly switching to lie-flat products on their A330 and 767 fleets, respectively, nothing has been announced with regards to the 757s.

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 8):

But I agree that it is not sufficient for the LHR market, and that is why DL has invested in the new 764 lie-flat J product for the LHR market.

So we agree then.

[Edited 2010-04-21 13:38:48]


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User currently offlineLhrRampRats From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4989 times:

MadDogJT8D has just answered my next question i have posted on the forum!!!
Thank you!!!!!!!


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 11):

What on earth does Y have anything to do with this conversation?

The conversation was evolving. That's part of the thread.



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User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 2):
One of two daily flights.

Right now yes, however BOS-LHR goes to 3x daily this summer, of which two will be 757s.


User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

MAH4546- yes, I believe we do agree. You are correct in that the trend is moving towards a 180 lie-flat seat for international J, however, you won't see the 757 product revamped any time soon since it is clear that DL is focusing on upgrading its long-haul product on the 744, A330, and 767 fleets. The 757 is geared towards domestic B.E. service on transcons and short-haul TATL flights, which this product seems very well suited for. LHR is a niche market in TATL short-haul with lots of competition, hence why the 757 is not sufficient.

AA's J lie-flat seats on the 75 may be superior in that they are lie-flat, but they are being used on the LHR route which requires a more premium geared product. And this in no way makes DL's 75 J product unacceptable, as inferred by some.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 15):

AA's J lie-flat seats on the 75 may be superior in that they are lie-flat, but they are being used on the LHR route which requires a more premium geared product.

What needs to be "more premium geared?" They are the same seats as used on the 777, without the shoe storage cubby, and the 757 is currently only being used on BOS-LHR - a flight that is in the air for less time than a typical BOS-SFO flight - and even then only during the daylight service (a seasonal third frequency will also operate with the 75L this summer). AA's 75L J seats are actually wider than the 763 J seats.

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 15):
And this in no way makes DL's 75 J product unacceptable, as inferred by some.

In the year 2010, any recliner-style J product is unacceptable for a long-haul, internationally configured plane, IMO. Just like any PTV-less Y product is just as unacceptable.



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User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 5):

Close to zero. AA and CO have a substantially better premium product on their trans-Atlantic 757 fleets; US and DL have a poor product that is not suited for the London market but is perfectly adequate in little/no-competition and leisure-heavy markets like OSL and AGP.

First of all, DL doesn't use the 757 to go to LHR, they use the 764. But personally I find the product on their 757 TATL to be better than that on AA's. Even though AA has the angled lie flat, I find them the space to around me feels constricted, and it's hard to get out if you're sitting at the window. I think DL's TATL 757 is a lot roomier. I prefer the positoning of the PVT, and the lighting is easier to adjust. I think we all agree that DL's Y cabin put's AA's to shame.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 17):


First of all, DL doesn't use the 757 to go to LHR, they use the 764.

I realize that. That's exactly what this thread is discussing. It's clear Delta's 752 product would not be appropriate for Heathrow, while on AA/CO it is.

Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 17):
But personally I find the product on their 757 TATL to be better than that on AA's.

I'm sure there are a few other people out there that prefer a recliner to a lie-flat, but the fact remains that lie-flat is by far preferred overall in the market.

Given that the 757 is a narrowbody, there really isn't much way to go to make the seat feel "less" enclosed with a lie flat. There is too little room to play with width-wise.

[Edited 2010-04-21 19:14:17]


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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

Amazing that at the moment the AAL B757s spend about 22 hours on the ground at LHR between flights! Presumably the second service in May will change this.

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 19):
Amazing that at the moment the AAL B757s spend about 22 hours on the ground at LHR between flights! Presumably the second service in May will change this.

Probably not. The new 757 flight arrives at 06:50 and leaves at 10:55 so it will likely use the same plane on most days, to avoid having to move more planes between the terminal and remote parking. Even if the two planes interchange, it will not really reduce overall ground time, with one turn being over 14 hours and the other being over 11 hours.



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