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Delta 767-400 LHR Ops?  
User currently offlineLhrRampRats From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 54 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12846 times:

Delta Airlines began LHR operations with 767-300s (after getting rid of NWA's 330s) and now we are heavily bombarded with the longer 400 series on almost every route which is great!! but is this due to higher pax demand, a/c economy difference or a/c configuration differences?? or something else??

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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6370 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12837 times:

Wow, I didn't realize the 764 had trans-Atlantic legs   Stretches generally suffer from less range than the non-stretch model...Seriously, what is the operating range of a 764 with a full passenger load? I thought they were intended for domestic transcons and runs to Hawaii  


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User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12473 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12786 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 1):
Wow, I didn't realize the 764 had trans-Atlantic legs

Must have, unless they stop half-way for fuel!   

I have to say, the 767-400 is nicely proportioned. Shame there's so few of them around.

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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32703 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12776 times:

Delta has an excellent lie-flat business class hard product on a sub-fleet of its 767-400s that flies exclusively to Heathrow.


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User currently offlinelxmd11 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12777 times:

DL has the new lie-flat beds on their 764s and send them to LHR from a competition standpoint.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 1):
Wow, I didn't realize the 764 had trans-Atlantic legs   Stretches generally suffer from less range than the non-stretch model...Seriously, what is the operating range of a 764 with a full passenger load? I thought they were intended for domestic transcons and runs to Hawaii  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B767#Specifications

5625nm, they can even do some transpacific


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12750 times:

The 764ER is very suitable for short T-Atl hops as it is light weight vs an A332.

User currently offlinelxmd11 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12731 times:

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User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2190 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12729 times:

Quoting LhrRampRats (Thread starter):
Delta Airlines began LHR operations with 767-300s (after getting rid of NWA's 330s) and now we are heavily bombarded with the longer 400 series on almost every route which is great!! but is this due to higher pax demand, a/c economy difference or a/c configuration differences?? or something else??

Delta is keeping a consistent on board product to LHR on all their flights. Pretty much something they need to do vs AA and BA's standardized product and superior frequencies.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25125 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12729 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 1):
Wow, I didn't realize the 764 had trans-Atlantic legs

CO has been operating their 764s to Europe for years. The 764ER is based on the 763ER, not the standard 763 which has significantly shorter range.


User currently offlineLhrRampRats From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12689 times:

Have to agree with scbriml. The B764 is a gloriously elegant a/c which i absolutely adore, but after some investigating i believe DL utilise these 764s into LHR with an impressive J class!!
CONTINENTAL have also started 767-400 ops into LHR!!!


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1553 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12657 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 1):
Wow, I didn't realize the 764 had trans-Atlantic legs

Heck they used to run CVG-HNL n/s for a while, which was easily Transatlantic range.


User currently offlinedlphoenix From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12598 times:

Quoting LhrRampRats (Thread starter):
but is this due to higher pax demand, a/c economy difference or a/c configuration differences?? or something else??
DL configured several 764s (designated 76D) with flat-bed J seats that are more competitive than the 763 recliners or the A300 slanted lie-flat. Y is also better than on the 763 with AVOD in every seat.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 1):
Wow, I didn't realize the 764 had trans-Atlantic legs Stretches generally suffer from less range than the non-stretch model...Seriously, what is the operating range of a 764 with a full passenger load? I thought they were intended for domestic transcons and runs to Hawaii
DL is planning to operate JFK-IST (5009 mi AFAIK) using a 764 this summer.

DLP

[Edited 2010-04-21 14:01:54 - corrected designation per feedback by cokepopper]

[Edited 2010-04-21 14:02:54]

User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1179 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12536 times:

Quoting dlphoenix (Reply 11):
DL configured several 764s (designated 76T) with flat-bed J seats that are more competitive than the 763 recliners or the A300 slanted lie-flat. Y is also better than on the 763 with AVOD in every seat

76T is the wrong designation for the 764 with flat bed. Its the 76D. The "t's" are 763's with Pilot crew bunk and Y/C AVOD.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15731 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12377 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 3):
Delta has an excellent lie-flat business class hard product on a sub-fleet of its 767-400s that flies exclusively to Heathrow.

It is coming to the rest of the 764 fleet and the 763 fleet as well, but for now they operate almost exclusively to LHR.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 1):
Stretches generally suffer from less range than the non-stretch model..

This one does as well, but still can make it across the pond. And for the record, I think that the 787-9 is still projected to have the longest legs in the 787 family.

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 10):
Heck they used to run CVG-HNL n/s for a while, which was easily Transatlantic range.

I think that CO uses them on EWR-HNL.

Quoting dlphoenix (Reply 11):
DL is planning to operate JFK-IST (5009 mi AFAIK) using a 764 this summer

My guess (maybe someone can confirm) is that this is probably due to equipment availability rather than the market since upgauging from a 763 would either be a 764 or A330, and I would think that the A330s are better suited for IST since they are the less premium heavy of the two.



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User currently offlinelxmd11 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12377 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 10):
Heck they used to run CVG-HNL n/s for a while, which was easily Transatlantic range.

CO currently does EWR-HNL n/s


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5240 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12325 times:

As others have mentioned, DL is currently sending the 764 to LHR due to the fact that they have the subfleet with lie-flat seating. From a competitive standpoint, DL has decided that it is in their best interest to offer lie-flat seating on its LHR services since pretty much all of the competition is doing the same. Witness also CO's decision to only offer aircraft with lie-flat seating on its LHR services. Once enough 763's have been converted to the lie-flats, we will likely see some flights switch over to that aircraft.


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User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12193 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 12):
76T is the wrong designation for the 764 with flat bed. Its the 76D. The "t's" are 763's with Pilot crew bunk and Y/C AVOD.

Oh Alphabet planes. Hey, I picked up a FRA next month on the 76L, what kind of 767 is that I know its a 300, I am excited to be working the 767 for the first time, feel free to prvt me the message if you want.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12102 times:

Quoting LhrRampRats (Thread starter):
Delta Airlines began LHR operations with 767-300s (after getting rid of NWA's 330s) and now we are heavily bombarded with the longer 400 series on almost every route which is great!! but is this due to higher pax demand, a/c economy difference or a/c configuration differences?? or something else??

DL use to use them on the ATL-HNL route before the merger with NW. That was much longer then any trans-Atlantic route from say DTW or ATL or MSP, I think. I was on a marathon westbound flight that lasted twelve hours going to HNL.



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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4895 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12005 times:
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Quoting LhrRampRats (Reply 9):
but after some investigating i believe DL utilise these 764s into LHR with an impressive J class!!

Here's a YouTube video of the 764 J product into LHR:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N06mWF2yq6c


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11789 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 3):
Delta has an excellent lie-flat business class hard product on a sub-fleet of its 767-400s that flies exclusively to Heathrow.

Not completely true, they have shown up at Madrid and Barcelona before.



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11563 times:

Quoting LhrRampRats (Thread starter):
is this due to higher pax demand, a/c economy difference or a/c configuration differences??

Ding, ding, ding. It's all about the lie-flat BusinessElite product to Heathrow; and, to a lesser extent, the PTV's throughout economy class.



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User currently offlinejflchantha From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 124 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11127 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
I have to say, the 767-400 is nicely proportioned. Shame there's so few of them around.

They are really nice widebody aircraft! I flew one from Bos-Atl but I felt the cabin was a little to narrow? Felt a little like the 737 of widebodies?

Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 16):
Oh Alphabet planes. Hey, I picked up a FRA next month on the 76L, what kind of 767 is that I know its a 300, I am excited to be working the 767 for the first time, feel free to prvt me the message if you want.

Alphabet planes? Who do you work for?

They use the 764 on trips to Africa as well, although with a stop in Dakar.


User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11021 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 17):
Quoting LhrRampRats (Thread starter):
Delta Airlines began LHR operations with 767-300s (after getting rid of NWA's 330s) and now we are heavily bombarded with the longer 400 series on almost every route which is great!! but is this due to higher pax demand, a/c economy difference or a/c configuration differences?? or something else??

DL use to use them on the ATL-HNL route before the merger with NW. That was much longer then any trans-Atlantic route from say DTW or ATL or MSP, I think. I was on a marathon westbound flight that lasted twelve hours going to HNL.

ATL-HNL is not normally 12 hours, but could be with extraordinary winds. DL also operated ATL-FCO with the 764 for a while, which is no short hop.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10850 times:

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 22):
ATL-HNL is not normally 12 hours, but could be with extraordinary winds. DL also operated ATL-FCO with the 764 for a while, which is no short hop.

Yeah, we had very strong head winds which were upward of 200kph for a good portion of the flight. The take off was very long so I suspect that they had planned for such a headwind.



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User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 912 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 10716 times:

Quoting jflchantha (Reply 21):
Alphabet planes? Who do you work for?

Here at Delta, we have too many aircraft configurations...

What I have figured out so far:
75E C16/Y158 757-200W (Atlantic, ex-TWA)
75V F22/Y156 757-200 (Hawaii, ex-ATA)
75X F26/Y158 757-200/200W (LiveTV)
76C C42/Y204 767-400ER
76D C40/Y202 767-400ER (lie-flat)
76L C36/Y185 767-300ER
76P F24/Y238 767-300 (Hawaii)
76Q F24/Y238 767-300
76S no longer used? 767-300ER
76T C34/Y185 767-300ER (12+ hours)
76U C34/Y185 767-300ER


25 cokepopper : Real config for the L is 36/181 and the T's and U's are 34/181
26 panamair : Missing the ex-Gulf 763ERs (are those 76Gs?)
27 deltal1011man : 7 76D 14 76C The 76Cs will be going into mods soon to become 76Ds and I believe they should be done by the end of the year. and they all have winglet
28 American 767 : That's the one configured with the galley and overwind exit behind the wing, with 6 rows or so behind till you reach the rear of the Y Cabin. All sea
29 Post contains images cokepopper : I believe they are finished or nearly finished. I have flown 5 so far with the AVOD in y/c. Passengers love it and so do the f/a's
30 jflchantha : Also, im not sure if all flights to HNL do this but, CO flights to HNL from HOU usually dont fly over Mexico for cost reasons or something like that?
31 deltal1011man : good to hear, did they change the Y seats(can you tell?) to the same seats on the 737/763A fleet? They use the 330 from SEA,DTW,BOS,ATL,JFK,MSP and s
32 Post contains images cokepopper : I am not sure what the brand name of the seats. They have winged headrests and the seat bottom pivots when you recline. Only wish they installed they
33 deltal1011man : Ok so its the same seats as the 77L/75E/763A/737s. Slim line seats.
34 1337Delta764 : The seats are Weber 5751. However, the ones on the 763A and 737 fleet do not have winged headrests. Cokepopper said the 76T ones do have winged headr
35 brilondon : Yeah for some reason we flew north up towards San Francisco because of the wild fires I think as well. Not yet but I have heard that they will be, I
36 CODC10 : Yes, CO1/73 will usually fly over Tucson and San Diego before beginning their Pacific crossing, with the same routing on the return (CO2/72). This is
37 willd : Hardly a new thing DL operating the 764 into London. Back on 1st Jan 2007 DL operated its first 764 into LGW, complete with the then new AVOD system t
38 Post contains images UnitedFA07 : Saw the CO 767-400 a couple weeks ago when in Paris. Our bus driver had to back up while the CO plane passed, or we could have been playing chicken wi
39 American 767 : Oops my mistake. I didn't mean overwing exit, I meant the first emergency exits behind the trailing edge of the wing. Sorry.
40 borax : They operated it daily into MAN all last summer and some days in the winter. Wonder if they're sending it back this summer... Infact, CO operated the
41 deltal1011man : sadly ATL-MAN will be a 763 and JFK-MAN will be a 75E
42 Post contains images fca767 : Delta Flew 767-400 to Manchester as early as 2006, I went on them in December
43 jflchantha : Yes, it is a gorgeous plane and like someone up there said, nice proportions. On another note, I heard the A330 or something is cheaper to operate wh
44 Arsenal@LHR : DL 764's are a common sight at LHR, i'm glad they send them here as 767's in general aren't that common (BA aside). While it's still a 767, it's defin
45 Post contains images eicvd : That & the 77W, wonderful a/c. Now I just hope to see my first DL a/c @ LHR in a few weeks time.
46 DTWPurserBoy : nwa757boy--I have two LHR PQ trips myself next month. Check out our last manual revision for a description of the 76L. Looks like some interior mods.
47 xzavierrsa : DL had the 400 flying JFK-ACC last summer. The reason only ships (1804-1810) have the new lie flat seats, Major problems with the tray table. Once Tho
48 hobbsieoz : There were a number of DL 764s at LHR today: N831MH N830MH N828MH N832MH
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