PillowTester From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13098 times:
What might the plight of Air Koryo be should South Korea absorb the North? Would an attempt to privatize be made, similar to Interflug? If so, how would you propose the new company be run so as to avoid sharing Interflug's fate? Would Air Koryo services prove vital in the immediate aftermath of reunification to bring aid and transport to the North? How expansive are Air Koryo's domestic services anyway? Does Air Koryo conduct the management of ground facilities in a similar fashion to Aeroflot in the Soviet Union? Could Air Koryo survive as another major Korean carrier? Would Korean Air or Asiana even be interested in absorbing Air Koryo?
The possible hypotheticals here are quite interesting.
Interesting question, but I think you have the answer here. Look at JS's fleet and look at the fleets of both (South) Korean carriers; JS won't last five minutes. That said, the South will want to help people who have specific trades; remember that although IF was wound up, many personnel of the East German air force found new careers with the Luftwaffe and Air Koryo is actually part of the North Korean Air Force (its Air Transport Regiment), so many of its crews might end up flying South Korean military aircraft.
vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3770 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12652 times:
Quoting PillowTester (Reply 6): Sounds like you rushed to post a clever reply to the topic title without reading the topic itself. I mentioned both Interflug and Aeroflot as possible examples to draw from.
No, I did not (although I admit that the statement was a it cryptic). Interflug (the airline) was not privatized. You probably referred to some smallish subsidiaries (BSF) that survived Interflug the airline, but the airline as such went nowhere after re-unification. Part of its fleet (and crews) ended up with the transportation arm of the German Air Force.
af773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2606 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12504 times:
I don't think South Korea would absorb the North. In time North Korea will probably lean towards a more peaceful future, when that will be who knows, but when that time comes Air Koryo would probably buy used Airbus or Boeing aircraft (737, 757, 767 size aircraft) and introduce new routes.
Dalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 402 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12453 times:
Reunification could follow the Chinese model of "one country, two systems" that was used for Hong Kong's and Macau's return to China. That model has been the focus of the (very infrequent) negotiations that have taken place between the DPRK and the ROK.
I certainly wouldn't assume an absorption of the North by the South any more than I would assume an absorbtion (invasion?) of the South by the North.
If the "one country, two systems" model is negotiated, then there will still be a place for Air Koryo, just as we see Cathay Pacific and Air Macau operating in addition to the Mainland Chinese carriers.
Hopefully those new Tu-204s will be flying for many years to come.
vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3770 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12382 times:
I guess it would be more a German-style reunification with North Korea either going bancrupt or facing a revolution. Not much point in keeping the communist system in the north from the point of view of South Korea - whereas keeping Hongkong for China made some sense as the (business) people of Hongkong undoubtedly were not keen to come under a pure Communist rule.
YYCowboy From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 145 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12190 times:
I have to admit, I find this airline fascinating. The flag carrier of a despot, paranoid nation. I can only imagine the eyes watching their every move. Whats to keep the flight crew's from walking away whilst in another country? I watched N.Korea's only athlete at Vancouver Winter Games (womens speed skating, and trounced by S.Korea btw) and wondered, How did she get to Canada and did they keep a bag over her head to keep from looking around and asking questions? I wonder if she got to stick around and enjoy the moment. My hunch, if N.Korea ever relaxed, or re unified, local Asian carriers would pounce and Air Koryo will be grounded. I would be suprised if they even had a buisness model.
Its hard to soar like an eagle when you're flying with turkeys
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4472 posts, RR: 21 Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11944 times:
Quoting YYCowboy (Reply 12): I have to admit, I find this airline fascinating. The flag carrier of a despot, paranoid nation. I can only imagine the eyes watching their every move. Whats to keep the flight crew's from walking away whilst in another country?
I'd say the employees of Air Koryo have a pretty good life by North Korean standards. That, added to the extensive personality cult of Dear Leader and all the propaganda they've had since birth, might be enough to convince them they were flying into the gaping maw of Hell itself while landing at PEK.
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 14): I just hope my Air Koryo KimPoints will transfer to Korean Air's FF program. I didn't buy all those Bourgeoisie Class tickets just for my KimPoints to disappear.
I'm hearing they can be redeemed for extra Koryo Burgers and water from a well personally approved by Kim Jong-il...
Aeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 389 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11721 times:
Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 17): Whats to keep the flight crew's from walking away whilst in another country?
Ive read. I believe right here on airliners I read about how a government minder is standing right at the door to the aircraft in Beijing and I believe if the crew has to do any overnighting they will be accompanied by minders as well. Minders usually have a fairly good life in the DPRK and will take their job seriously. Not to mention that the families of the defectors will be arrested and possibly thrown in concentration camps. This pretty much guarantees that the crew will not defect.
Dalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 402 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11573 times:
Quoting Aeroflot001 (Reply 19): I read about how a government minder is standing right at the door to the aircraft in Beijing and I believe if the crew has to do any overnighting they will be accompanied by minders as well.
The Air Koryo flights to and from Beijing do not stay overnight. The turnaround time is a few hours and all the crew stay on the plane; they do not even enter the terminal building.
Check-in operations in Beijing are handled by Air China staff, not Air Koryo personnel.
MIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2516 posts, RR: 25 Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11523 times:
Quoting aviateur (Reply 16):
The "Alliance of Evil," obviously. Air Koryo, Syrianair, and Iran Air.
Maybe Sudan Airways also? Somali Airways? How about Cubana or LAB?
Add ConViasa to that too.
In all seriousness tho. If North K and South K where to be reunified (big IF) I think AirKoryo will just become a smaller regional carrier serving a few routes inside Korea and neighbouring Asian Countries with second hand Boeing or Airbuses.
IAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10958 times:
If the Korean Pennisula is peacefully reunited sometime in the future, I predict that Air Koryo will end up in liquidation, and KE or Asiana will establish a secondary hub in Pyongyang for domestic and regional flights.
Do any foreign carriers currently fly into Pyongyang? I recall reading that a Chinese airlines had planned to start flights to Pyongyang, but I can't remember from which Chinese city. I am not sure that it actually started these flights.