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Russian Cargo Acft Crashes In Philippines: 3 Dead  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12562 posts, RR: 35
Posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9906 times:

It has been reported this morning that a Russian-built cargo plane crashed in the north of the Philippines, killing three of the six crewmembers on board. No information as to type, as yet:

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...hree-killed-cargo-plane-crash.html

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User currently onlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9893 times:

Isn't this the An-12 incident ?
Reg UP-AN216
Operating for Interisland Airlines
Was on a charter from Cebu Mactan to Manila Clark
The aircraft reportedly caught fire in the air before crashing

Source : http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...er-crashes-in-the-philippines.html

[Edited 2010-04-21 22:02:38]


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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9781 times:

story with pics at AP:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...6Wy21hAzNisuQ9JdyeORIB-NAD9F7SSV80


User currently onlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9714 times:

ASN record - http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20100421-0

Owner : ATMA
A 1963 built example.



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User currently offlineetherealsky From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9705 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 2):
story with pics at http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hlh6Wy21hAzNisuQ9JdyeORIB-NAD9F7SSV80


Is it just me, or are the props feathered in those photos?

Or was the plane already on the ground but then crashed into something on the rollout?



[Edited 2010-04-21 22:33:19]


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User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9566 times:

Quoting etherealsky (Reply 4):
Is it just me, or are the props feathered in those photos?

Not just that, but they aren't even bent as one would expect from rotating blades, when hitting ground...



Peet7G
User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9420 times:

It looks like the aircraft landed in the field, came to a stop basically whole - then burned with the high wing engines falling to the ground after the landing was finished.

On emergency landings sometimes after the aircraft is certain to land - they will shut down the engines and feather the props before they actually touchdown. They want to minimize debris flying around if the spinning props hit something. Also makes it easier to evacuate the aircraft if the props are not turning.


User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9310 times:

RIP to the crew members who lost their lives...but also deep gratitude for getting the plane down, and saving 3 others.


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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9094 times:

The owner company of the plane is Inter Island Airlines Inc. from the Philippines, and is blacklisted in the EU like all other Philippine airlines.

Is it common to have 6 crew onboard this plane while only 5 are needed (Pilot, F/O, navigator, radio operator and flight engineer)?



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8926 times:

My guess is the 6th would be "loadmaster" or so.


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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1894 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6779 times:

Severnaya:

Why are all Phillipino airlines blacklisted in the EU?



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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4671 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 8):
The owner company of the plane is Inter Island Airlines Inc. from the Philippines, and is blacklisted in the EU like all other Philippine airlines.

From the Flightglobal link in Reply 1, the aircraft was only wet-leased to Interisland Airlines.....

Quote:
"The aircraft was on a wet lease to Interisland, says Cusi, who declines to reveal the owner of the aircraft.

The three crew members who survived the crash are in a stable condition, he adds. Among the six crew members, three were Russians, two were Uzbeks and one was Bulgarian, says Cusi."


The actual owner per Reply 3 is ATMA, according to the linked ASN report, listing a local newspaper as source. The news report indicated the following in part.....

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakin...resumed-dead-3-hurt-in-plane-crash

Quote:
"The three surviving men, who were later confirmed to be Russians, were seen parachuting out of the burning plane, residents in the area told the Philippine Daily Inquirer.

[.....]

The survivors told village leaders that three of their companions who were still in the burning plane might be dead. It was still in flames as of Wednesday night. Fire trucks had a difficult time entering the area.

The Pacific East Air Cargo (PEAC) chartered the plane for the operations of the international cargo forwarding firm UPS, a report from the state-owned Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) said.
"

A later report from the same source listed the names of those on board.....

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakin...ng-after-plane-crashes-in-Pampanga

Quote:
"The three, who were brought to the hospital, were identified as Yuri Tochonyy, 50, Russian national, pilot; Dmitriy Struminskiy, 39, Uzbekistan national, co-pilot; and Bokhadir Ruziev, 44, Uzbekistan national.

The three missing passengers were identified as Mikolay Bannon and Vadim Yakimov, both Russian, and Tzvitoslav Guetchevski, a Bulgarian."


It was mentioned that the aircraft was on extended operation for Interisland. Hard to credit a Filipino employing Russians. When all these are sorted out, it may yet turn out that ATMA and the company's owner are Russian, Uzbek or Ukrainian.



[Edited 2010-04-22 21:37:40]


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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4572 times:

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 10):
Why are all Phillipino airlines blacklisted in the EU?

Recently discussed here:
EU Blacklist Updated - Philippines Banned (by MHTripple7 Mar 30 2010 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Quoting Fabo (Reply 9):
My guess is the 6th would be "loadmaster" or so.

Okay, that makes sense indeed, thanks.

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 10):
Why are all Phillipino airlines blacklisted in the EU?

See reply #12

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 11):
From the Flightglobal link in Reply 1, the aircraft was only wet-leased to Interisland Airlines.....

Yes you are correct indeed, I should have done some research. ATMA registered the plane in 2009. Before it was owned by Lao Airlines. The plane was manufactured in 1963, so it was 47 years old.



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User currently offlinecrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1941 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

I have never had any luck attaching pictures to this site, but there seems to be a lot of similarity in the livery to AN-12 UR-CGV that is in the photo database. Although the c/n does not match, this maybe the a/c.

User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

Quoting crownvic (Reply 14):
Although the c/n does not match, this maybe the a/c.

Here's the one with the matching c/n.....

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.....and its previous liveries and registration.....

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Although I couldn't find a photo in the database of its Lao registration RDPL-34156, supposedly after it was damaged in 2006, nor one under ATMA Kazakhstan.

[Edited 2010-04-24 04:14:17]


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14127 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Quoting etherealsky (Reply 4):
Is it just me, or are the props feathered in those photos?

Or was the plane already on the ground but then crashed into something on the rollout?


Most prop planes with constant speed props feather the prop automatically if the engine is shut down.

Jan


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