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Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)  
User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14112 times:

Hello all,

I would continue to post in the PDX-HNL thread, but as that's got over 102 replies and this is a subject enough on its own, I figured I'd start a new thread.

According to here and on facebook,
http://www.facebook.com/#!/horizonair?ref=ts

Tomorrow AS/QX is set to make a big announcement. I'm thinking it's going to mainly be new additions to the route network. Here are some new routes you can find bookable in December on www.alaskaair.com that I'm thinking will be announced tomorrow: (Thanks to member ASFlyer for pointing this out)

SAN-OGG
PDX-KOA

Also, AS recently applied for:

SAN-PVR
How long is the application process, typically? Is it too early to make that announcement tomorrow? (Thanks to MAH4546 for pointing this out, by the way)

Anyway, we shall see what tomorrow brings...

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5888 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14075 times:
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Is AS going to get 737-900ER's? :-P

User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13964 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
Is AS going to get 737-900ER's?

I'd love to see it, but unfortunately I do not think it'll happen. Not that I can remember why, but people that I trust to know what they're talking about gave well researched answers as to why AS will probably never have a 737-900ER. I'll go by that.  

Well, I've ruled out a lot of possibilities. There's nothing bookable, but there are some quirks I found...

When searching for schedules, ITO shows up as an airport code in the pulldown menu, but when you search for flights, it says neither AS nor any of its partners serve ITO. However, if you do this with other arbitrary destinations that neither AS or partners serve, nothing will show up in the pulldown menu.

Could AS announce SEA-ITO tomorrow? I'm thinking no, but I do think ITO could very well be a future destination for AS. I also have a feeling this big announcement could very well include more Portland service. On the facebook page, Horizon Air is touting as not only an Alaska announcement but also a Horizon announcement as well. Could be something, could be nothing, but interesting to ponder...

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5888 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 13897 times:
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True. Any AS news up here in the PNW is big news. I was actually hoping AS/QX would announce a new destination or two as well as connecting the dots.

User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 13875 times:

Rumor has it that they will post a Q1 profit. That will be the first time for AAG in a bazillion years. That alone is a huge announcement.

User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 13793 times:

So this is all assuming everything we see is correct:

PDX-KOA: If you look on AS.com, its not a daily flight...It appears to be every other day, Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat service.

SAN-OGG does appear to be daily.

If its anything like they did with OAK/SJC, it might be sharing that service with another city, but haven't located it yet...I'm not sure of the exact range, but would a 738 allow them to fly from either LAS or PHX? Not even sure if there is a demand there, but the thought has crossed my mind.

[Edited 2010-04-21 22:41:58]

User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 13718 times:

2nd KOA-SEA is also showing on the opposite days of Portland

User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13497 times:

Here's what we got so far...

SAN-OGG - NEW 1x daily
PDX-KOA - NEW 4x weekly
SEA-KOA - New 3x weekly flight on top of the 1x daily

If checking out bookings on alaskaair.com is of any indicator, then we can rule out the following destinations...
BDL, STL, DTW, TPA, MSY, CLT, RDU, SAT, MCI, OMA, BNA, MEM, IND, CVG, CMH, OKC, TUL, ITO.

As well as any new PDX-East Coast. I also check pretty much all realisticly possible Hawaii routes and it doesn't look like there'll be anything else other than the above.

I'm actually hoping that somewhere in the announcement will be that QX is keeping the CRJ-700s, as they've had a lot of trouble finding buyers (though I think a South African airline recently picked up one of them). Who knows?

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13450 times:

Wow! This was a chance find!

SJC-LAX - NEW 4x daily QX Q400s

Also looks like

PDX-LAS - 3>4
PDX-PHX - 2>3

I'll keep looking...

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

[Edited 2010-04-22 00:04:27]

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7787 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13408 times:

AS to merge with DL or AA?   


Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1286 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13383 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 8):
SJC-LAX - NEW 4x daily QX Q400s

Interesting move. Especially with the Q400s. I wonder if this is really for positioning airplanes? I would've thought they would've put the CR7 on the route if they are trying to get some connecting feed at LAX


User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13336 times:

It looks like KOA is the big winner here! Yet another route added by AS. They have really filled the shoes of AQ quite nicely.

Here is what I know wonder: will UA keep the contract service agreement or could we eventually see KOA, HNL, LIH and OGG become AS stations? Word on the street is that they are not happy with UA (at least in KOA).

I don't think ITO would be a good fit for AS, perhaps they should leave Hilo up to G4. This seems more their type of market.


User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13281 times:

Interesting side note I just found...

Alaska Airlines 884

Kailua/Kona (KOA) 10:00 am Sat, Jan 8 Portland, OR (PDX) 5:35 pm Sat, Jan 8

Alaska Airlines 885

Portland, OR (PDX) 5:10 pm Sat, Jan 15 Kailua/Kona (KOA) 9:00 pm Sat, Jan 15

Notice how the PDX flight arrives in KOA at 9:00PM. Is the aircraft going to overnight in KOA or is there another flight to a different city they are going to offer?


User currently offlinerwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3076 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13197 times:

Quoting UA2162 (Reply 12):
Notice how the PDX flight arrives in KOA at 9:00PM. Is the aircraft going to overnight in KOA or is there another flight to a different city they are going to offer?

Maybe it will be a red-eye return. Flights leaving Hawaii around 11pm arrive back in PDX/SEA around 6am. Perfect for aircraft utilization and connections.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13474 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13001 times:
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Quoting UA2162 (Reply 11):
Here is what I know wonder: will UA keep the contract service agreement or could we eventually see KOA, HNL, LIH and OGG become AS stations?

Right now, the only AS personnel (aside from mechanics) in Hawaii are a Manager and a Supervisor overseeing the vendors who ground handle AS flights there.

AS is looking at possibly putting their own CSAs in OGG at some point, but only after waiting to see how the newly-expanded service proves itself - there's no desire to see people move to Hawaii only to be uprooted a few months or a year later if the new service doesn't pan out as forecasted.

In addition, AS has put the vendors on notice that they're researching bringing in-house personnel to Hawaii and as such, they'll need to be cost-competitive with AS' own employees if they expect to keep the business.

Bottom line - OGG may eventually get AS personnel, but I'd guess we're looking at 12-18 months down the road, at the earliest.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2059 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12858 times:

If this is all true, I'm heading to the black sand beaches in Kona. 
Quoting UA2162 (Reply 12):
Notice how the PDX flight arrives in KOA at 9:00PM. Is the aircraft going to overnight in KOA or is there another flight to a different city they are going to offer?

Looks like it's routed PDX-KOA-SEA-KOA-PDX. No redeyes. Probably better for crew utilization as one crew could fly PDX-KOA-SEA with an overnight in KOA.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 14):
Right now, the only AS personnel (aside from mechanics) in Hawaii are a Manager and a Supervisor overseeing the vendors who ground handle AS flights there.

That's a sweet gig for those folks. Out of curiosity, is AS going to stop round trip catering the flights out of SEA? It's my understanding that everything except the morning HNL-SEA flights are catered in SEA.


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12515 times:
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Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 9):
AS to merge with DL or AA?

Yup. that horse has already been beaten to death....



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7965 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12437 times:

I'm not surprised that QX will fly the Dash 8-Q400 on the SJC-LAX route. Given the low seat-mile cost of the Q400 on shorter flights, it would be price-competitive against WN's 737-700's on the same route.

User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2832 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12384 times:

Quoting Airport (Thread starter):

SAN-OGG

Excellent! SAN will finally once again have a reliable link to someplace in Hawaii other than SAN. If this does well (and I certainly think it will), I would expect to see SAN-KOA service in due time. Such a service could be flown less than daily, alternating with SMF-KOA or SAN-LIH.

Quoting Airport (Thread starter):
PDX-KOA

Wonderful news. Always great to see the PDX hub get more flights. I wonder if PDX-LIH could be on the horizon?

Quoting Airport (Thread starter):
Also, AS recently applied for:

SAN-PVR
How long is the application process, typically? Is it too early to make that announcement tomorrow? (Thanks to MAH4546 for pointing this out, by the way)

Most U.S. airlines announce new int'l routes right when they apply for the respective authority, sometimes even when its not a guarantee they will get it. Since there are at least two SAN-PVR authorities available to U.S. carriers (probably 3, as is typically the case for Mexico's beach markets) AS is virtually guaranteed to get approval for the route. The only other U.S. airline I could think of that would have any interest in flying the route would be F9, but they have far greater priorities at the moment.

Quoting Airport (Reply 2):
Could AS announce SEA-ITO tomorrow? I'm thinking no, but I do think ITO could very well be a future destination for AS.

I can't see any reason for AS to serve ITO. Like all other carriers, they are going after the huge leisure market from the mainland to the islands. Though ITO is fairly close to some of the popular volcanic parks, virtually all of the Big Island's major resorts are over by KOA, as that is the dry side of the island. Since almost all tourists fly into there, ITO is left to serve a small VFR market. According to wikipedia, over half of all Hawaiians living on the mainland are in California. I know many of the others are in Nevada. It would not be practical for AS to serve ITO from SEA, since most of the folks bound for ITO would be better off connecting through HNL than up in SEA. I highly doubt AS would be interested in serving a Hawaiian station only from California, but I guess anything is possible - a SEA-OAK-ITO flight could actually do pretty well. ATA was able to fill a 738 from OAK to ITO, why not AS?

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 5):
would a 738 allow them to fly from either LAS or PHX? Not even sure if there is a demand there, but the thought has crossed my mind.

Of course there is demand from LAS and PHX to Hawaii. Since so many Hawaiians have moved to Las Vegas (I haven't a clue as to why so many leave paradise for the desert) the Hawaii-LAS market is actually mostly VFR. AS would never try LAS-HNL, HA absolutely dominates the route. There is very little demand from LAS to any of the outer islands - HP failed to make LAS-OGG work even with its big local FF base and when the hub was at its peak. PHX already enjoys plentiful service to Hawaii - HNL is served by US and HA, while OGG, KOA, and even LIH are also served by US. Remember, AS is going after markets that are underserved (in most cases, the ones that lost service when AQ and TZ went bust), not ones that are competitive and already well served. There's a reason AS isn't flying to Hawaii from its big focus city at LAX  . Oh, and all this irrelevant, because I don't think any 737 could reach Hawaii from LAS or PHX anyway. There had to be a reason why AQ always stopped en route from LAS and PHX to Hawaii.

Quoting Airport (Reply 7):
then we can rule out the following destinations...
BDL, STL, DTW, TPA, MSY, CLT, RDU, SAT, MCI, OMA, BNA, MEM, IND, CVG, CMH, OKC, TUL, ITO.

As well as any new PDX-East Coast.

Too bad, I bet Portlanders would love for AS to bring back EWR and especially MCO. Maybe AS could do well linking PDX with closer cities, like TUS, MSP, DFW, or IAH?

As for your long list, I don't think AS will be flying to any of those markets anytime soon, with the possible exceptions of STL (if AA drops the SEA-STL route), DTW, PHL, MSY, and *maybe* ITO as mentioned above (SEA-OAK-ITO). AS would never be able to fill planes from small markets like BDL, RDU, CMH, OMA, and TUL to SEA - these cities barely support flights to LAX, let alone a smaller West Coast city.

Quoting Airport (Reply 8):
SJC-LAX - NEW 4x daily QX Q400s

Interesting. I wonder if American Eagle plans to drop the route.

Quoting Airport (Reply 8):
Also looks like

PDX-LAS - 3>4
PDX-PHX - 2>3

Wow, PDX is sure getting a lot of love these days!

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 10):
Interesting move. Especially with the Q400s. I wonder if this is really for positioning airplanes? I would've thought they would've put the CR7 on the route if they are trying to get some connecting feed at LAX

Actually, the Q400s offer higher capacity and nicer interiors than the CR7s do. My recent SEA-YVR was "downgraded" from a Q400 to a CR7. Not often you hear of a prop being more prestigious than an RJ, but when it comes to Horizon, such is the case. I think these flights have more to do with SJC's emergence as a prominent focus city for AS/QX than getting feed at LAX. Certainly not positioning flights - 4x daily service will be attractive to business pax on the segment. I wonder if we could see UAX throw in the towel as they did on the LAX-OAK route. American Eagle could also be dropping the route in lieu of a codeshare.


Quoting UA2162 (Reply 11):
It looks like KOA is the big winner here! Yet another route added by AS. They have really filled the shoes of AQ quite nicely.

I'd say PDX is the one that made out like a fat rat - more flights to Vegas, Arizona, AND Hawaii. What more could you want?   SAN also did very well, with 2 new destinations (quite a big jump from the grand total of 3 AS serves now). KOA will really be the big winner when it gets flights to SAN and SMF. Provided fuel prices don't jump through the roof, I think it's a matter of if, not when  .

Quoting UA2162 (Reply 11):
I don't think ITO would be a good fit for AS, perhaps they should leave Hilo up to G4. This seems more their type of market.

Agreed. AS is a full service carrier - the rather well off tourists heading to HNL, OGG, KOA, and LIH do care about the food and entertainment options. ITO is a VFR market - folks headed there just want low fares. Cheap no-frills service is just fine. I would think G4 could serve ITO from OAK as well as LAX (or LGB) and do much better than AS would under any circumstances.



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2760 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12283 times:

I wouldn't rule OKC out just yet. We have an advantage over other cities in the fact that a lot of major AS maintenance is done here, not to mention a strong O&D market with no nonstop options available. We already have weekly flights on AS for MX alone.

We'll see.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12275 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 18):
AS would never be able to fill planes from small markets like BDL, RDU, CMH, OMA, and TUL to SEA - these cities barely support flights to LAX, let alone a smaller West Coast city.

I believe a 73G on the route would probably be stellar for AS on any of these routes. Much larger and I agree, it may not be feasible.. but I think it would work. SEA brings in lots of traffic and the connection opportunities would more than likely make the flights, at a minimimum, break even if not even profitable (especially considering none are currently served non-stop and none have actually been tried).

Just my thoughts



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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2832 posts, RR: 30
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12191 times:

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 19):
I wouldn't rule OKC out just yet. We have an advantage over other cities in the fact that a lot of major AS maintenance is done here, not to mention a strong O&D market with no nonstop options available. We already have weekly flights on AS for MX alone.

We'll see.

You stole their basketball team. Surely the folks in Seattle are a bit apprehensive of going to your city these days  



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User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12107 times:

Here's a summary of new service:

Summary of new San Diego-Maui service:
Date City pair Departure Arrival Frequency
Oct 1 San Diego-Maui 9:20 a.m. 12:10 p.m. Daily
Oct 1 Maui-San Diego 1:10 p.m. 9:35 p.m. Daily

Summary of new San Diego-Puerto Vallarta service*:

Date City pair Departure Arrival Frequency
Nov 12-Apr 11 San Diego-Puerto Vallarta 10:15 a.m. 2:55 p.m. Daily*
Nov 12-Apr 11 Puerto Vallarta-San Diego 3:40 p.m. 4:35 p.m. Daily*
*Subject to government approval.


Summary of new Portland-Hawaii service:
Date City pair Departure Arrival Frequency
Sept 20 Portland-Honolulu 7:25 a.m. 10:25 a.m. Daily
Sept 20 Honolulu-Portland 11:25 a.m. 8:10 p.m. Daily
Nov 12-Apr 9 Portland-Kona 5:10 p.m. 8 p.m. Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat
Nov 12-Apr 9 Kona-Portland 9 a.m. 5:35 p.m. Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat

Summary of new Seattle-Kona service*:
Date City pair Departure Arrival Frequency
Nov 11-Apr 7 Seattle-Kona 5:10 p.m. 8:09 p.m. Tues, Thur, Sun
Nov 14-Apr 10 Kona-Seattle 9 a.m. 5:45 p.m. Tues, Thur, Sun
*In addition to current daily Seattle-Kona service.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5888 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11927 times:
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Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 19):
I wouldn't rule OKC out just yet. We have an advantage over other cities in the fact that a lot of major AS maintenance is done here, not to mention a strong O&D market with no nonstop options available. We already have weekly flights on AS for MX alone.

I think there's a better chance of AS flying to either MCI or STL than OKC. Other than contracting out their major maintenance and Tinker AFB, there's not a whole lot of business between SEA and OKC.

There's already two competing airlines on the SEA-MCI route. AS will only open STL if AA leaves the market.

I'm still looking out for a new city announcement from AS...somewhere in the midwest or east.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5334 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11863 times:

I guess I didn't get up early enough today! Wonderful news on several fronts here.

From a SAN perspective, I, and many others , are thrilled with the news of daily, permanent OGG service starting Oct 1, and daily PVR service starting the following month! I've been posting about these 2 routes for a few days now so there isn't too much left to say except thank you, Alaska Airlines! I know you will be pleased with the success of both of these routes! (I would not be at all surprised to see expansion from SAN in both the Hawaii and Mexico markets in the not-too-distant future.)

PDX, KOA and SJC also see new routes and service this time around. It's great to see a west coast carrier adding flights in these uncertain times of a still-lagging economy and rising fuel costs!

Happy in San Diego,
bb


25 Post contains links atrude777 : This seems to be the link from Alaska Airlines summarizing all the news today. http://www.alaskasworld.com/Newsroom...s/ASstories/AS_20100422_045145.a
26 wedgetail737 : That's what you get for staying up late!!! Maybe AS will have better utilization on their 3 or 4 gates at SAN. Now if you can convince AS/QX to exten
27 SANFan : Good morning D -- and it IS a good morning! Yes, those 3 gates in SAN (16-17-18) will be better utilized starting later this year for sure! (And fill
28 mikesairways : I'm thinking the same thing that this would be the nail in the coffin for Eagle. It seems AA/Eagle are always looking for an excuse to drop service a
29 mah4546 : I would not be too sure. AS and AA codeshare on this route. AS has an idea of how much revenue/traffic it can generate on its own on this route, and
30 Post contains images deltal1011man : I would say if anything all it will mean is DL pulling its code from MQ/AA LAX-SJC and putting it on QX LAX-SJC now.
31 EA CO AS : Earnings call notes: - Best first quarter since 1999 - Record first quarter load factor - 26 new markets in the past 24 months - Expect $20MM/annual b
32 FATFlyer : Second (or am I third now???) that suggestion.
33 Post contains images SANFan : Assuming the reference is to SAN, this day just keeps getting better and better! AFAIC, that makes it now unanimous; all we need is the AAG to go alo
34 chrisair : TUS would be a godsend. I fly TUS-PDX every 2-3 weeks since I'm based in Oregon. Unfortunately, when QX flew that route, there were no more than 10 p
35 SANFan : I think I remember a time when AS flew SJC-TUS, with, I'm sure, thru-plane service from SEA/PDX on those flights. If AS can't quite see the numbers f
36 Jetmatt777 : I never said we had the best chance. Over cities like OMA and TUL, we have the advantage due to having the MX. Comparing OKC to cities the size of ST
37 USAirALB : I'd like them to add CLT or BDL.
38 chrisair : Actually, Seattle lost the team, more than OKC "stole" it. The city's unwillingness to support the NBA sent the team to OKC. Typical Pacific NW polit
39 Post contains links Airport : My Dad flew the SJC-TUS leg all the time and he always commented on how it seemed totally full all the time. I wonder if it was an issue of yields or
40 Tomassjc : Flights will be timed ex SJC to connect w/ International departures from LAX. That's what QX is betting on and let's hope it's not a longshot! The ea
41 laca773 : I think this is very judicious of AS/QX to do from SJC-LAX. When they attempted to serve SJC-SJD for a period of time, the service did not take off w
42 Post contains images HorizonGirl : Well call me crazy, but I got up early today just to see what this announcement would be. This is excellent news! I was actually wondering if this wa
43 jetpixx : SEA-OKC would be a great route for AS...then people in the Emerald City could visit their old basketball team!
44 Post contains images Tomassjc : Sure hope so!!
45 surfandsnow : I asked the same question. However, it looks like UAX is currently flying CR7s thrice daily on the route - a very suitable alternative to the QX Q400
46 wedgetail737 : Not to mention that SJC has a lot of terminal facilities available to them. SJC should call themselves lucky that AS/QX has backfilled on a lot of ro
47 Airport : SJC-BOI has been around since 1996, I believe due to the Micron connection to silicon valley, though there could be other reasons too. Cheers! Anthon
48 EA CO AS : Actually, in the early to mid 90s the routing was SEA-SJC-LAX-TUS and TUS-LAX-SJC-SEA.
49 surfandsnow : They sure do. Let's hope those nice new terminals start to get more use! I would love to (once again) see a hub there someday - and no, Southwest doe
50 chrisair : I was talking about the most recent TUS-SJC service back in 2002/03. Those TUS-LAX-SJC-SEA routings were back when AS flew all sorts of crazy routes
51 EA CO AS : IIRC, some of the more oddball ones with AS metal were: LAX-SJC (2X-3X daily) LAX-SFO (1X daily) LGB-SFO (3X-4X daily) LGB-OAK (3X-4X daily) ONT-SJC
52 laca773 : Add SJC-LGB-SJC to this list. A M80 was utilized on this flight.
53 bigGSFO : They also served BUR-ONT (as part of triangle service)....talk about oddball... IIRC as an aside, LAX was the final major Southern California airport
54 wedgetail737 : Wasn't that the California Dreamin' campaign after AS inherited Jet America's MD-80 fleet? I remember AS using some of their JA fleet to provide 6X o
55 wedgetail737 : I'll second that. But I hear TVL is very political. Another alternative could be TRK (Truckee, CA), but I don't know how QX feels about a towerless a
56 Tomassjc : I believe MMH is towerless...
57 hatbutton : As is PUW and EAT.
58 ASFlyer : Palm Springs was one of the first southern California cities served - even before BUR and ONT I believe.
59 laca773 : PSP does pretty darn good for AS. PSP has more flights than AS' ONT station.
60 Post contains images chrisair : That isn't saying much...
61 Tomassjc : It actually does say quite a bit....PSP flights have a much higher yield than ONT flights.
62 Post contains images laca773 : See below. . Not surprising at all. A lot of well healed retiree's head to PSP for the pleasant winters similar to those who head to PHX. Further, th
63 flyboy80 : It really suprizes me that Horizon hasn't implemented some retrofits on board the Q400s to ensure a more competitive product via the inflight experien
64 ASFlyer : During the high season there are 3 nonstop flights a day to SEA, 2 to PDX and 3 or 4 to SFO. QX has a daily flight to SMF. In the past, both QX and A
65 wedgetail737 : I've always wished that AS would pick up a handful of -600's to fill the gap between the RJ-700's and their mainstay 737 fleet. But the cost of opera
66 hatbutton : The fleet will actually be down 2 aircraft by the end of the year. So this flying must be because aircraft utilization is not what it should be yet.
67 Post contains images SANFan : For example, SAN lately has lost a SEA r/t in the winter and it is quite possible that a reduction from 8 to 7 SEA trips in late October/November cou
68 wedgetail737 : They could rotate the 737-800 on the RON's. But I'm glad to see SAN getting some well-deserved new service. Now it's up to the San Diegans to USE the
69 AirlineBrat : You can add ACV to that list as well. I can think of one improvement. QX started selling snacks on flights over 1.5 hours in length last fall.
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