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A Merged UA CO Would Call Chicago Home; Smisek Prz  
User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 18838 times:

Its getting closer...

http://www.chicagobreakingbusiness.c...ental-would-make-chicago-home.html

Long story short, Smisek president in Chicago...

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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 18752 times:

Vey.

Nicht gut.

Perhaps one might consider dancing with those who made the show possible?



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9967 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 18590 times:

So, what's the flavor of the day?? CO-UA or US-UA?  


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User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4674 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 18588 times:

I'm sensing IAH getting screwed?


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 18572 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 2):
So, what's the flavor of the day?? CO-UA or US-UA?

US basically told UA to get bent, so if a merger does happen, it'll only be CO/UA.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5064 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 18482 times:

Quoting aerobalance (Reply 3):
'm sensing IAH getting screwed?

Well, not the airport...but the city. However, I question the source. Tomorrow we may see an article from the Houston Business Journal saying the opposite. I'll believe it when I see a statement from the airline.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5274 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 18008 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 4):
US basically told UA to get bent

I know that's how US would like to represent it, but inside sources make it sound more like US got pissed off that UA was actually in love with CO and only dating US to make CO jealous.

Quoting mayor (Reply 2):
So, what's the flavor of the day?? CO-UA or US-UA?

Good question.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 5):
Well, not the airport...but the city.

Perhaps there's something in the future for both? Corporate HQ in Chicago and some sort of operational focus in Houston?

-Dave



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5064 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 17677 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 6):
Perhaps there's something in the future for both? Corporate HQ in Chicago and some sort of operational focus in Houston?

From an operational standpoint and air service - IAH will probably one of the most important hubs for the combined airline; I'm sure that IAH will gain service. It would be a shame to lose the HQ prestige though.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11121 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 17625 times:

Quoting evanbu (Thread starter):
Its getting closer...

It sure looks that way.

Quoting mayor (Reply 2):
I'm sensing IAH getting screwed?

Nah.

I am surprised that they would pick Chicago over Houston, since Houston is a much cheaper place to do business. Maybe they think the political connections in Chicago are more valuable these days, or the City is going to give them a good deal to stay.

Either way, Houston is not getting screwed. Even if they lose Continental headquarters, the more important contribution to the local economy is the hub - and that isn't going anywhere.

Any airline would be absolutely asinine to ever close the incredibly valuable and strategically-positioned Houston hub, which is why it won't happen. In fact, combining the two airlines' complimentary networks into one massive, excellent network, the Houston hub can only benefit.

Now Cleveland, on the other hand: not so much.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 4):
US basically told UA to get bent

I think Parker is just running down the clock now.

He knows the jig is almost up. His half-integrated, pseudo-national carrier with a largely artificially contrived network is not going to be sustainable much longer.

He obviously recognizes that Tilton was just using him as bait for Continental - which worked flawlessly. At this point, I think Parker is just angling to try and get some money out of AMR at some point down the line for the pieces. I think Parker knows, as we all do, that AMR is probably not in a position financially or operationally to actually integrate the whole of USAirways, but I have no doubt that AMR would be interested - for the right price - in certain pieces, and that is probably what Parker is anticipating now.

As I see it, if Parker could sell out to AMR some of the strategic and/or valuable pieces of USAirways - like the Reagan slots, perhaps some of the LaGuardia slots depending on the slot swap, the Shuttle, maybe Charlotte, and maybe Philly - and ditch the parts of the network that are really superfluous to the market right now, like Phoenix (where Southwest serves the market just fine), the net effect for the industry would be hugely positive.

Removing a substantial amount of capacity from the market right now can only help the remaining airlines that are left, and if you look across the U.S. carrier landscape, the carrier that makes the most sense to exit the market and take much of its capacity with it is definitely USAirways, from my perspective.

[Edited 2010-04-23 05:08:24]

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 17564 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
I am surprised that they would pick Chicago over Houston, since Houston is a much cheaper place to do business. Maybe they think the political connections in Chicago are more valuable these days, or the City is going to give them a good deal to stay.

Chicago has been known to "bend over backwards" for companies. Such as the case with Boeing HQ and when UA was contemplating moving corporate HQ.

As much as I hate Daley and his political machine (especially tearing down Meigs Field in the middle of the night), he does try his best to lure major companies to Chicago.

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
Either way, Houston is not getting screwed. Even if they lose Continental headquarters, the more important contribution to the local economy is the hub - and that isn't going anywhere.

  

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
Any airline would be absolutely asinine to ever close the incredibly valuable and strategically-positioned Houston hub, which is why it won't happen. In fact, combining the two airlines' complimentary networks into one massive, excellent network, the Houston hub can only benefit.

  . The Latin/South America feed is more than valuable.

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):

He obviously recognizes that Tilton was just using him as bait for Continental - which worked flawlessly. At this point, I think Parker is just angling to try and get some money out of AMR at some point down the line for the pieces. I think Parker knows, as we all do, that AMR is probably not in a position financially or operationally to actually integrate the whole of USAirways, but I have no doubt that AMR would be interested - for the right price - in certain pieces, and that is probably what Parker is anticipating now.

I have to respectfully disagree here. US serves some route which none of the legacies serve (or probably want to get int). PHX, PHL and CLT are some core strong markets for US which are still growing-at least CLT is. Yes, I can see AA eventually doing something with US-but I'm not so sure what or when. As long as US earnings/revenue/cash flow is doing fine, I don't expect US to really go anywhere.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7322 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 17319 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
I am surprised that they would pick Chicago over Houston, since Houston is a much cheaper place to do business. Maybe they think the political connections in Chicago are more valuable these days, or the City is going to give them a good deal to stay.
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
Chicago has been known to "bend over backwards" for companies. Such as the case with Boeing HQ and when UA was contemplating moving corporate HQ.

What Jacobin777 said.

I remember when Chicago was trying to get boeing. They will do whatever it takes to keep the HQ there. Houston is a very pro business city, but they take more of a laid back approach to it. They count on the cost being cheap, the lack of any kind of zoning, and the prestige (from the oil and gas side any way) to make people want to do business there.

Im sure the HQ will end up in Chicago because Daley is more agressive when he see something he wants.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 17246 times:

Houston has the second most F500 HQs to NYC, they will survive, though I'd hate to see CO go.

As mentioned above, it would seem most of the operations people, and the back-up bunker will/would remain in Houston.
I'd suspect the Chicago metro would actually loss jobs in this merger, but get the "HQ".

No matter where the HQs is, I would hazard a guess that IAH will grow int'l even more under a merger. IAH-MAD, and the long rumoured IAH-FCO when the 787s arrive, for example.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 17141 times:

The IAH hub will be just fine, and if anything grow. Plus, there are lot of opportunities to grow markets out of IAH with some of UA's fleet types, particularly the 70 seaters, the 744, the 763, and the eventual 787 & A350s

User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 17078 times:

I doubt there would be any 744 flights out of IAH.

User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 17055 times:

Whenever we talk about mergers we see a thread about hubs and headquarters.

Here is the reality for Houston: you will still be an important hub to the new airline, but your relevant importance will slip behind ORD and perhaps SFO.

Right now IAH is the most important or second most important hub ay CO. EWR is supposedly the revenue winner. IAH is the big mid contienent hub and int'l gateway to the south. That won't change in the new airline, but ORD will be a bigger gateway in a bigger city and that will steal some of IAHs thunder.

EWR and SFO won't feel much.

ORD, DEN, and IAH will have to be re-situated a bit. There isn't a need to have 3 huge hubs in such a small geographic area. I would imagine priority would be ORD, IAH and then DEN.

EWR has the population base but IAD has lots of room and no delays. Both have strong O&D so I would expect both gateways to Europe will remain. Slight advantage here to EWR.

CLE??????


User currently offlineBlueman87 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16993 times:

Quoting aerobalance (Reply 3):
I'm sensing IAH getting screwed?

i was think CLE becouse ORD is close by



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16881 times:

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 13):
I doubt there would be any 744 flights out of IAH.

Why, there are 747 operators at IAH now. BA, LH, KLM (though it is normally Combi).



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5064 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16831 times:

Iah will definitely see the 744. It will be intrahub lhr or fra. Possibly even nrt.


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User currently offlineflightopsguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16844 times:

Remember that UAL is moving it's OPC (operations planning center) and associated employees to the Willis tower in downtown Chicago sometime later this year...that's several thousand employees who now work in Elk Grove. The city of Chicago worked a deal to get 'em downtown.


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16695 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
He knows the jig is almost up. His half-integrated, pseudo-national carrier with a largely artificially contrived network is not going to be sustainable much longer.

Why not? It's an ugly Frankenstein monstrosity, but it's a cash-generating ugly Frankenstein monstrosity.



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User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5215 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16687 times:

The only reason I would oppose Chicago is because it probably means UA middle management will survive mostly intact and, pre-bankruptcy, UA middle management was a huge collection of time-serving ho-hummers. You have to believe that Tilton has improved the caliber of managers in the last few years; but has he done enough?


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16584 times:

Quoting aerobalance (Reply 3):
I'm sensing IAH getting screwed?
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 17):
Iah will definitely see the 744. It will be intrahub lhr or fra. Possibly even nrt.
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 16):
Why, there are 747 operators at IAH now. BA, LH, KLM (though it is normally Combi).
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
Plus, there are lot of opportunities to grow markets out of IAH with some of UA's fleet types, particularly the 70 seaters, the 744, the 763, and the eventual 787 & A350s

There will be plenty of opportunities to redeploy aircraft within the combined carrier's network, for instance there are some CO routes that could use a three class product that UA offers such as IAH-LHR. And conversely there are some UA routes that don't need three class service and would be better served with CO's Businessfirst aircraft.



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User currently offlineflyvic From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16553 times:

Anyone want to venture a guess on name and paint scheme if the merger comes to be?

User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16555 times:

Quoting flyvic (Reply 22):
Anyone want to venture a guess on name and paint scheme if the merger comes to be?

No doubt about it. Current United paint scheme.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7322 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16497 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 11):
I'd suspect the Chicago metro would actually loss jobs in this merger, but get the "HQ"

I seriously doubt this is true. Chicago would be gaining jobs. Whether or not Houston loses jobs or not wont be seen until it happens.

Houston will be fine either way.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 11):

No matter where the HQs is, I would hazard a guess that IAH will grow int'l even more under a merger. IAH-MAD, and the long rumoured IAH-FCO when the 787s arrive, for example.

I highly doubt either of these routes will come out. When CO said they were looking at them, they were still in Skyteam, AA hadnt started DFW-MAD yet, and AA hadnt announced it was applying for ATI with IB. MAD and FCO would be no goes for IAH.

However, MUC and ZRH are different stories. IAH-ZRH is a market that should be looked at for sure. IAH-MUC might also work.



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25 RJ111 : BA, LH and KL send a lot of 744s over the pond and we don't see many back. I haven't seen a UA 744 at LHR for years. US airlines have more hubs and th
26 FlyingSicilian : Well, I have my inside sources at 1600 Smith that told me otherwise. Now if the airlines merge, maybe that could change, but CO has looked strongly a
27 EMB170 : Have to agree, Commavia. My gut tells me that Smisek is going to play Daley in order to get exactly what CO/UA wants out of the City of Chicago...nam
28 FlyingSicilian : Then the new company would lose more revenue to Emirates, Qatar, BA, AF, LH, and KLM as the energy market demands permium product and non-stop servic
29 FlyingSicilian : Houston's only PrivatAir service is AMS-IAH to supplement KLMs daily widebody flight. IIRC ZRH flies to the NYC area on PrivatAir
30 scorpy : I don't see that. I could see frequencies to big UA international stations going up, like LHR, NRT etc. UA currently leases a bunch of slots out at L
31 rjpieces : Anybody think there is a chance of a new livery if they merge? The new uniforms will have perfect timing for a merged carrier. It's going to be amazin
32 RJ111 : That's an overreaction as i never said i thought it would lose these services. I don't think it will benefit from having ORD and IAD put in front of
33 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Sears Tower damn it.. ...but that was pre-bankruptcy as you put it. You have to admit, since post-bankruptcy, ostensibly, it seems as of middle manag
34 N766UA : If they're smart, they'll keep CLE. I doubt they'll grow it any, and a UA/CO merger def. seals its fate as a domestic operation, but to close the sta
35 YULWinterSkies : Hey, don't forget that the headquarters of a large aircraft manufacturer are in Chicago as well. Therefore, it sounds like a convenient place to do b
36 UAL747DEN : Um no thats not really what happened! US found out the UA was working hard to make a CO/UA merger happen while blowing smoke at US. Most important, n
37 rangercarp : No extras? I thought UA had more 744's than they knew what to do with.
38 Cubsrule : Short of completely rebuilding C, how is that going to work? How do we quantify "most important" Was DL's MEM operation in the 70s a hub?
39 scorpy : They still own 6 in storage that could be checked, reconfigured and put to use, should they chose to do so.
40 joeman : The nature of the airline industry has become here today, gone tomorrow. IAH should do just fine with the exception of becoming irrelevant for U.S. N
41 jfklganyc : 'It's going to be amazing seeing United overnight have the best operation in NYC--a huge international and domestic hub at EWR, shuttle-like service f
42 FlyPNS1 : IIRC, the original plan called for rebuilding E/F and putting FIS there. The non-affiliated carriers would then be sent to the new terminal six. Why?
43 Cubsrule : That's correct. That's why I was so surprised to hear any reference to a desire for FIS in Terminal 1. AFAIK, UA has never expressed such a desire.
44 EMB170 : Precisely why I think they (CO) probably want it. Anyone who has ever flown internationally into ORD and had to make a connection knows how inconveni
45 justloveplanes : IAH will be fine. It has fewer ATC delays I am told (need to confirm) is strategically located in a major hub for business travel and Latin America. A
46 joeman : I don't think capacity expansion is a frontrunner thought in an industry that generally complains of overcapacity as a result of full passenger loads
47 Cubsrule : What is wrong with putting it in Terminal 2?
48 seabosdca : Even JFK-hostile management is not too stupid to see that p.s. is a money factory. They will continue flying it, and probably study whether they coul
49 evanbu : If Smisek is in charge, wouldn't he bring in his own team to run United?
50 STT757 : Your excluding a couple factors, first SFO is a hub and LAX is a pseudo hub so it makes no sense to cut back flights. Second as reported by the Wall
51 Post contains links ItalianFlyer : Yes it will be, especially if they do this as a no-premium stock swap deal that is floating around now....thats all fine and good, but I can see how
52 UAL747DEN : You are thinking of the 744's in storage but from what I know about a combined UA/CO network I don't think 744's would be pulled to be dedicated to E
53 Flighty : Interesting idea. CO probably has the skills to fix UA's problems, if it is given full executive control. Then lots of UA's people can keep their jobs
54 MasseyBrown : I've watched some turn-arounds and what usually happens a version of the Pareto Principle: 20% of the staff (typically, hotshot new guys) end up doin
55 drerx7 : I disagree, you are speaking from a UA centric point of view. Continental has a few routes that could support 744s. LHR-IAH-NRT-EWR-IAH is an example
56 UAL747DEN : Yes you are right I am because I don't know the details of the CO network like I know the United network. You could very well be right, I just know h
57 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : I saw it almost the same: It's going to be amazing seeing Continental overnight have the best operation in NYC--a huge international and domestic hub
58 rjpieces : No way United will be dropping JFK-LAX/SFO. We might see some tweaking with EWR transcon flights, but PS is not going anywhere. If anything, I could
59 tommy767 : IAH is extremely important to the UA/CO network. DL openly considers it's most important hubs DTW/ATL, UA/CO would consider it's most important and l
60 EMB170 : Nothing, I meant that I believe the combined carrier would want their own FIS facility (whether that was in T1 or T2) so that they could more efficie
61 United1 : The JV with CO hasn't been implemented yet...there is some issue with the CO pilots holding it up. Its possible that UA does want one in T1 (or T2.)
62 rjpieces : Except they will not have any kind of PTV and be at a competitive disadvantage to Delta and El Al (and US Airways from PHL). I am curious what they w
63 N766UA : I don't think CLE is redundant. For example, IAD and ORD both get hampered by weather and delays a lot more than CLE. The ease of use warrants at lea
64 scorpy : DEN should support that traffic flow just fine. I would expect CLE would be downgraded to focus city status with mainline flights to all the hubs and
65 Post contains links evanbu : Apparently its as close as it can get to a merger at this present moment. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=20601109&sid=a2bAitQJn2a4&p
66 N766UA : If CLE had mainline to all the combined UA/CO hubs, that'd almost be an upgrade!
67 einsteinboricua : Not necessarily. Just because they would move to UA's headquarters does not mean UA will be the surviving brand.
68 evanbu : I know. I know. I know I don't have evidence to support my claim but I really don't see the Continental name surviving this one...
69 MasseyBrown : One of the good things about CLE is that many CLE routes have fares that will support the use of E145's at or close to a profit. So long as CO (or it
70 Post contains images justloveplanes : That's what the concensus was LAST time!
71 Alias1024 : How about United Tower or Continental Tower? I think those both sound better. I don't know about the sim training. Doesn't United do their sim traini
72 Fly2HMO : I just hope if they actually merge that the resulting airline remains more CO than UA.
73 Cubsrule : This is a common refrain; my question is why? UA today is not the UA of 5 years ago. I see things that are better about CO and other things that are
74 johnmke : United Doesn't hold all the gates in the older Terminal 2, and the UA (I should say United Express) gates in Terminal 2 are set up for CRJ700's and/o
75 Cubsrule : Any plan to put FIS in Terminals 1 through 3 will demand the construction of Terminal 6 first. There's just no other way to do it.
76 Fly2HMO : It may be better, but still not as good as CO. Every other major I've been on just doesn't feel as decent as CO. Admittedly CO has gone downhill if e
77 commavia : I'll give you CLT. That's a great hub. Good location, strong demographics, excellent long-term economic fundamentals, and well-positioned to serve a
78 evanbu : So since no one has given us any information yet today, it appears we will have to wait through the weekend for any new information on a merger. I can
79 GlobalCabotage : If this happens: ORD: Will be a power hub. CLE: See DL at CVG. IAH: Will be a power hub. EWR: Will be a power hub. IAD: Relif for EWR, but DC is impor
80 runga08 : That is an interesting point. We know that Denver has been lobbying in Japan to start a non-stop NRT-DEN, if that market is fruitful, it'll probably
81 commavia : I highly, highly doubt it. Denver is a strong market, and I don't think United will be closing it as a hub - with or without a merger. But to suggest
82 tommy767 : Very much so. If UA gives up DEN that will leave DL as the primary airline in the mountain west region over in SLC. UA will not surrender this region
83 Jacobin777 : I would take that over the current Willis Tower name, however the merged carrier would only be renting space. Good points..thinking about it again, i
84 Post contains images commavia : Denver is the economic hub of the Rocky Mountain Region - it is by far the largest population center, economic center, cultural center, political cen
85 drerx7 : Yeah, judging by your username UAL747DEN, I can see that you are biased; but DEN will not take traffic from IAH nor will it be a more important stati
86 AAFLT1871 : Too bad you were not at LHR today, I flew to Chicago on flight 929. A 747-400. Rob
87 UAL747DEN : DEN is positioned far better than IAH, it just doesn't make a lot of since to route anything East-West/West-East through IAH when you have DEN. That
88 commavia : Exactly. AA already has enough to deal with at this point - labor costs being the biggest and most important thing. The last thing AA needs is to try
89 ORDFan : This thread really captured my interest because it hits really close to home on several fronts. Since the topic of thread relates to the future home o
90 commavia : All of that may well be true. But as was discussed several weeks ago in a thread about JetBlue and New York, none of the above really means anything
91 STT757 : What do folks think will happen in BOS if CO/UA do indeed merge, CO has a real nice set up at Terminal A with a nice Presidents club. However I doubt
92 Cubsrule : They need more gates before they start taking gates in 1, 2, or 3 out of commission to build an FIS in any of those three terminals. Otherwise, there
93 Alias1024 : Continental is only leasing space at their current HQ, but the tower still has their name on it.
94 United1 : UAs HQ building on 77 Wacker is known as the United Building...so at least the name is on one tower in Chicago.
95 Post contains links MUWarriors : IAH is very well suited as a connection point for the growing South and for Central and South America connections. I really don't think they will lose
96 Post contains images wn700driver : Ok, seriously man. I usually respect most of what you have to say about this industry as well reasoned and thought out analysis of Domestic Airline o
97 UAL747DEN : Ya know were not going to get anywhere and I think that you're one of the few people on here that might know what he/she is talking about so were goi
98 Post contains images commavia : No, but there are plenty of other gates in A that I'm sure DL would love for the new UA to take off their hands. They have been wanting to offload a
99 MasseyBrown : I've got to be a little contrary. To me DEN is a dubious proposition, with three hubs. UA, the high cost operator of the three, cannot be making money
100 ORDFan : Apologies – I didn’t mean to come across as overzealous. My post was largely a reply to several posters who mentioned that Houston’s energy ind
101 commavia : They said that - did the typical song and dance like everyone always does. But my guess is that, ultimately, it all came down to money, and Daley has
102 UAL747DEN : I completely agree with you on this one and if we need proof we only need look as far as AA to see the proof. AA took HQ out of NY for Dallas and peo
103 GlobalCabotage : AA can and will do well at ORD if they go after corporate contracts. Motorolla would move in a minute to AA if they offered ORD-GRU. AA could easily m
104 Cubsrule : I'd say the same thing about any of the legacies, actually - including CO. I don't think it will be possible to put an FIS in either 1 or 2 without c
105 Post contains images Jacobin777 : AA flies ORD-PEK, ORD-PVG and ORD-DEL ...sounds like Asia to me... AA codeshares ORD-AMM with OneWorld partner RJ and codeshares with ORD-AUH with EY
106 voltage : ORDFan, you may be right about the immigrant populations in Chicago vs. Houston. However, I suspect that Houston may have more ExPats. Never have I se
107 Type-Rated : What? You were a F/A at UA, then in management at UA, but you were at F9 for a few weeks before you got poached and then you were able to go back to
108 MasseyBrown : From a coastal perspective, neither Chicago nor Houston would be considered prestigious. I don't think prestige is much of a factor in the choice.
109 Cubsrule : Nor do I - although I do think Chicago is probably a (small) notch above Houston on the pecking order according to those on the east coast. I agree w
110 point2point : This is probably the best reason to keep headquarters in Chicago....
111 Post contains images commavia : Agreed. Yep. As superficial as it may sound, I suspect that this would probably be a bigger motivator to keep the headquarters in Chicago than "prest
112 Post contains links yeogeo : The New York Times is reporting the UA/CO talks have "hit a snag". "...the two companies have not been able to reach an agreement over the value of th
113 mcdu : I disagree completely. Of all the UA hubs, DEN could be the one with the diminishing routes in a merger with CO. The IAH hub is key to the integratio
114 Cubsrule : You aren't really responding to UAL747DEN's comment, though. You are arguing that DEN has a yield problem. As far as I can tell, no one disagrees wit
115 flyingclrs727 : Chicago will be the 4th largest city in the US after the 2010 census is tabulated. Houston will replace Chicago as the 3rd largest city.
116 FL787 : They're so far into it at this point with so many things agreed upon, I think they'll get it worked out. Maybe for city population but definitely not
117 drerx7 : As a Houstonian that is great...buuuuuuut its the MSA that matters in terms of air service matters.
118 Cubsrule : By that criteria, ICT (city population ~345,000) should have tons more air service than BDL (city population ~125,000). You aren't seriously arguing
119 cesarv777 : I completely agree. I would think Houston would continue to grow into a major international hub, moreso then it already is. The combination of UA's p
120 Post contains images thomasphoto60 : YES! Thomas
121 ORDFan : Again, the decision on the HQ has already been made and was an original hurdle to continuing talks. UA and CO are speaking between themselves to dete
122 commavia : Two main reasons. First, as with your European airline example, for many airlines its about historical tradition. Delta has been headquartered in Atl
123 United1 : At least according to the article discussing the snag in negotiation the share exchange ratio it looks like UA will be the acquiring carrier with HQ
124 Post contains images MasseyBrown : To decide the exchange ratio, they should announce that the merger is off and then see where the share prices land. Pick that ratio.
125 Post contains images United1 : Thats one way of doing it... I think they may be able to compromise a bit on that and find a middle ground.
126 evanbu : In all seriousness if your Smikek, why wouldn't you want to merge? I bet the idea of him being the CEO of the world largest airlines gives him a major
127 DL WIDGET HEAD : I do too but now that UA's little UA/US merger ruse is over, CO can afford to be demanding knowing that the US option is off the table. UA simply can
128 United1 : I'm not so sure that there was any duplicity on UAs part..remember no one knows who approached who this time around. US could have easily approached
129 ca2ohHP : I agree, CO holds the cards at this point. IF this deal falls through I seem to think some amount of damage has been done with US if you're UA.
130 wn700driver : Sure. The problem is that UA, has for whatever reason, shrugged these advantages off at every turn. I'm not saying they've never made a right move, b
131 Post contains links ManuCH : There is now an official thread to discuss this. Please continue discussion there: Possible UA/CO Merger: Impact On Airports (by Moderators Apr 25 201
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