EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12556 posts, RR: 64 Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 17359 times:
I see Continental being the surviving name. While UA has more brand recognition over the past 50 years, CO has cultivated what is arguably a much more respected name over the past 15 years and has done so in major business markets.
UA has done a good job in the past year or so of turning around what was once a nearly-submerged ship, but CO is still far ahead of them in terms of brand perception.
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surfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 17198 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 2): I see Continental being the surviving name. While UA has more brand recognition over the past 50 years, CO has cultivated what is arguably a much more respected name over the past 15 years and has done so in major business markets.
UA has done a good job in the past year or so of turning around what was once a nearly-submerged ship, but CO is still far ahead of them in terms of brand perception.
Although most of us love CO and always find a reason to hate UA, none of us can argue against the fact that UA is by far the stronger, more valuable brand - just like F9, despite its perception as a cheap LCC, was the obvious choice over the revered (arguably more prestigious) YX name. The only places where CO is noticeably stronger than UA would be the Deep South and Latin America. Even EWR travelers (and the New York area, for that matter) know UA quite well. In the all-important foreign markets like HKG, NRT, LHR, FRA, etc. UA is clearly the stronger brand.
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etoile From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 17100 times:
"United" would be the surviving mark. As a couple of the previous responses note, United has the stronger mark in the faster growing markets outside the U.S. Continental has built its mark over the past couple decades, but the PeopleExpress-New York Air-Texas Air foundation is not as solid as the airline that had to be de-merged from present-day Boeing. But CO will run the business.
jetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 29 Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 17036 times:
Quoting etoile (Reply 7): But CO will run the business.
Not if HQ is in Chicago. It just doesn't work that way in reality. There is no way that the limited number of CO people that make the move will alter the existing culture of the much larger airline. It certainly didn't happen at DL and it won't happen at UA. Some top execs from CO will clearly be calling the shots, but the UA culture is going to be terrifically difficult to alter.
davescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2244 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 17000 times:
I think United would be the surviving name, but they could keep the gold globe of CO. I think UA is simply too well known not to keep.
What NEEDS to happen is for the CO culture to be implimented as fast as possible if (and when) they merge. The entire top board room of UA needs to go.
peanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1307 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16945 times:
My gut instinct still tells me that 5 years down the road we will look back at two big mergers in different ways.
DL/NW will go down as schoolbook merger. Not a lot of dust-ups. Atlanta and MSP egos mesh just fine.
UA/CO will be a lot more messy. Throwing New York, Houston and Chicago egos together is asking for a mess. Not saying they can't fix it; it will be a mess though.
United vs. Delta threads on a.net.... o my....
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MoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16922 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 2): I see Continental being the surviving name. While UA has more brand recognition over the past 50 years, CO has cultivated what is arguably a much more respected name over the past 15 years and has done so in major business markets.
Previously I would have said, never in a million years would your scenario ever take place. However, United Airlines has abused and neglected their brand so badly that now using Continental is plausible, and in my opinion probably superior depending on which markets are most appealing to a United - Continental hook up. One recent audit showed CO had better brand value than United.... a first. Previously United protected their brand fiercely. As a marketer the United brand was golden.
That said, if the merger happens my recommendation would be to provide the Continental level of service, but use the United brand. Yes, it's been abused by United but the brand recognition even if tarnished currently is a huge leg up, and one I would enjoy the challenge of turning around.
KFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1208 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16895 times:
Unitel ?
Well IMHO, although United might be more popular, like EA CO AS mentioned, Continental has a more respected brand name.
But again, I feel that they will likely retain United given it's better recognition, despite brand appreciation.
The opinions above are solely my own and do not express those of my employers or clients.
The HQ will be whereever Smisek wants it to be, and the execs will move or move on. It's not like they are going to be able to find other airline exec jobs....
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4978 posts, RR: 25 Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16871 times:
Quoting jetlanta (Reply 8): Not if HQ is in Chicago. It just doesn't work that way in reality. There is no way that the limited number of CO people that make the move will alter the existing culture of the much larger airline. It certainly didn't happen at DL and it won't happen at UA. Some top execs from CO will clearly be calling the shots, but the UA culture is going to be terrifically difficult to alter.
That's what I've been saying all along. There is no way that the UA culture is just going to disappear, especially if HQ does remain in Chicago. As I've said in the past, saying that CO will be running the show is the same as saying that CO does everything better than UA which, IMHO, is absolutely incorrect.
etoile From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16789 times:
Quoting OA412 (Reply 15): CO does everything better than UA which, IMHO, is absolutely incorrect.
I disagree. Having flown CO and UA back to back plenty or, more recently, on code-shared itineraries, I believe I have enough empirical evidence that the professionalism and training of CO staff is a step above UA staff. Not SQ or CX, but noticably different. Also compare CO's financial performance to UA's.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16748 times:
Quoting etoile (Reply 17): Also compare CO's financial performance to UA's.
You mean how UA is expected to post better results this quarter then CO, have a better fuel hedging program and has more cash on hand? Financially UA is doing very well they really have righted the ship in the last 18 months and hopefully allot of the miss information and old perceptions will start to drop off on here soon.
KFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1208 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16718 times:
Despite all the naming battle, and who's better, I feel that only something good could come out of this merger. It will definitely take a couple of years and will depend on management and labor unions etc. But a streamlined UA+CO has far better prospects than DL+NW. A lot more routes and fleet could be cooperated better.
The opinions above are solely my own and do not express those of my employers or clients.
elbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 735 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16679 times:
Reputation can always be fixed, but you can't just automatically have the kind of global recognition that the United brand has. I'd be extremely shocked if they didn't keep it.
etoile From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16626 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 18): You mean how UA is expected to post better results this quarter then CO, have a better fuel hedging program and has more cash on hand? Financially UA is doing very well they really have righted the ship in the last 18 months and hopefully allot of the miss information and old perceptions will start to drop off on here soon.
If you measure quality and performance over the most recent 1-2 year window, investment banking is the gig for you. I personally would go with the team that didn't bk in the past 20 years.
Airport From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 1393 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16595 times:
Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 6): just like F9, despite its perception as a cheap LCC
Except F9, like YX, had a extremely well-done and beloved brand elements that UA does not have, and it's very arguable that F9 has a much, much better reputation for customer service and on-board product than UA has versus CO.
Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 11): Previously I would have said, never in a million years would your scenario ever take place. However, United Airlines has abused and neglected their brand so badly that now using Continental is plausible, and in my opinion probably superior depending on which markets are most appealing to a United - Continental hook up. One recent audit showed CO had better brand value than United.... a first. Previously United protected their brand fiercely. As a marketer the United brand was golden.
I agree. And besides, CO isn't exactly not well known. In fact, they probably have a much strong brand presence than UA in Europe, Latin America and in New York City.
If UA-CO merger happened and CO is the surviving name, boy I tell ya, I'd love to have a time machine and tell people in 1990 that in 20 years CO would merge with UA and the Continental brand would survive. This is one zany business.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4978 posts, RR: 25 Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16592 times:
Quoting etoile (Reply 17): I disagree. Having flown CO and UA back to back plenty or, more recently, on code-shared itineraries, I believe I have enough empirical evidence that the professionalism and training of CO staff is a step above UA staff. Not SQ or CX, but noticably different. Also compare CO's financial performance to UA's.
Front-line staff is but one measure of an airline. I don't doubt that in your experience CO crews were better than UA crews, but that certainly doesn't prove to me that CO does everything better than UA. What about other measures? UA's ability to offer a premium transcon product? UAs ability to offer an international first class product? Additonally, As United1 mentioned, UA is apparently expected to post better results than CO.
mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6172 posts, RR: 74 Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16490 times:
United Continental...
UNICON...
U n I con 'em'al!
Quoting peanuts (Reply 10): Throwing New York, Houston and Chicago egos together is asking for a mess. Not saying they can't fix it; it will be a mess though.
Slap Washington DC into it... it's more than a mess... it'll be a huge random splatter!
But pull through it well, we could have a killer... or just a bigger target to aim at...
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26 hiflyer: While no one really went after DL/NW (surprisingly AA declined) to divest routes I would expect different on a UA/CO deal in regards to the Pacific...
27 Bralo20: I think that United Airlines will be the surving name. Not only because it's a strong brand but the name is exactly telling the storry of the airlines
28 PM: Continental has by far the better colour scheme.
29 EA CO AS: Being an airline executive is kinda like being a coach in the NBA or NFL - generally, even the really crappy ones find they're in demand elsewhere on
30 KFlyer: @PM IMHO, UA looks better ? Well, it's all down to the personal preference. NW of course looked better than DL. @EA CO AS That's my goal someday ! But
31 Burkhard: I would use both names. Bundle all international flying under the United roof, and all inner US under the Continental name, could make life far easier
32 justloveplanes: I saw very few A-Net posts from the United side in 2008 go round that were not respectful of the CO culture. In fact, most were "Bring on Kellner and
33 SoBe: As far as I can tell 3 Dec 1990 is within the past 20 years. Who are you going to go with now?
34 UALWN: Not in Europe, I think. People here know BA, LH, AF and some of the Asian carriers. That's it. AA, UA, DL, CO, US are just random USA airlines, consi
35 RJ111: On a level playing field i think UA would stay. CO don't have the legacy UA do, even though their recent image is probably superior. It's a bit like c
36 cokepopper: For personal reasons, I will be happy to see the Continental name disappear. As far as UA vs DL. I predict the two will coexist just fine and the rea
37 Jacobin777: If the HQ is moved to Chi'town, I think the UA name will remain. From one of the articles, it seems Smisek will be moving to Chicago as well. While n
38 TymnBalewne: Does it really matter though? Gone are the days for most where travelers called an airline for a reservation (thereby they needed to know the name of
39 kgaiflyer: Ummm. *What* color scheme? How is Euro-white a color?
40 Lufthansa411: It may be, but professionalism does not equal brand recognition. At the end of the day a combined UA/CO will have both sets of personnel, but only on
41 kgaiflyer: And the new tune used in advertising could change in UA television spots from Gershwin's "Rhapsody in Blue" to "Reunited, and it Feels So Good" by Pe
42 mayor: Technically, white is ALL the colors. Anyway, as to the name, how about Unicorn??
43 enilria: I think u-n-t represents United and then maybe they could take one letter from Continental.
44 brilondon: Unfortunatly, the biggest battle is not between us A.Neters but the general public. Their perception is what will carry through. I don't believe that
46 iliribdl: They should keep United Airlines, it's more known around the world and easier for marketing purposes.
47 kgaiflyer: Huh? You would need a vowel with those consonents. O? I? E? A? Nothing makes any sense with those letters?
48 Jacobin777: Well, I was born in Chicago, lived there for 30 years (in fact, I'm in Chicago right now) and I still say NYC is better...
49 FlyHossD: Maybe a new name is in order (to help overcome the egos of both sides). Maybe it should be called F.U.B.A.R. (to help reflect the reality of this mess
50 THEBATMAN: UNITED + CONTINENTAL = CONTINUED Do you know how many arguments we've had at ORD over who has better pizza - Chicago vs NYC?? I really don't know what
51 United1: Thank you SoBe for pointing out what I was going to CO was in BK from 1990-1993... and just like UA it took a few years after that for COs brand to f
52 Jacobin777: .....Chicago is a great city, I just hate the bloody winters....
53 BEG2IAH: Since when is "u" not a vowel? And did you get enilria's point? BEG2IAH
54 enilria: No, but it would be pretty appropriate... I think someone needs to re-watch Schoolhouse Rock.
55 Delimit: I think it would depend on how well the merger went, honestly. If UA/CO ends up going off as well as DL/NW has then yes, the new UA (my guess for whi
56 Lufthansa411: Should have made it more clear... We all know NY has the better pizza by far. Not all that extra dough and other crap.
57 peanuts: I'm just saying.... I rest my case. Goodluck UA and CO guys in Chicago...lol. I can already hear it: "can't we just all get along?..."
61 mayor: How about Icontinent? They could do a advertising deal with "Depends". I think you're mistaken. NY pizza crust tastes like the cardboard it rests on.
62 TWA1985: I'm not so sure the United name will remain. We have to remember that United is the desperate party here and beggars can't be choosers. This may be th
63 DUALRATED: Its a gold globe NOW! You are thinking of the red meatball, (globe)
64 Conti764: Although I'm afraid UA would be the surviving name, how great would this be:
65 Delimit: How is United desperate? They've done a great job of turning things around over the last couple years. And regardless, the name decision will not be
66 caleeiii: Pretty simple. FROM MERRIAM-WEBSTER: Main Entry: united Function: adjective Date: circa 1552 1 : made one : combined 2 : relating to or produced by jo
67 BMI727: I firmly believe that it would be United. CO doesn't have the recognition worldwide UA does.
68 United1: What is it with the Delta fan boys on here? Feeling nervous that your no longer going to be the top dog/dawg?
69 Viscount724: That's definitely not true outside the USA. United has by far the strongest identiity, especially in the important Asian market which is now the worl
70 caleeiii: In the interim, this might be nice...
71 Superfly: Gosh I hope not! I do respect your graphing/editing skills but I do not like the Continental livery at all. It's almost as bad as Delta's.
72 kgaiflyer: Ummm. Obviously not I guess I play too much Wheel of Fortune.
73 atomsareenough: I know that the United brand is more well-known overseas, but how well is it actually regarded these days? Especially in foreign markets used to high
74 kgaiflyer: That's compounded by the fact that 'Continental Airlines' and 'Continental Rubber and Tire' use *exactly* the same font.
75 evanbu: Chicago has far better pizza than NY. Thinking about it makes me want to non-rev to Chicago for some pizza...
76 kgaiflyer: It's the multicolored tail logo that doesn't work. Perhaps *golden tulips* on the tail? And a wider gold beltline.
77 MadameConcorde: I thought the UA/Continental Airlines marger was dead? I hope United will stay. I am a UA Million Miler I don't want to lose my advantages.
78 atomsareenough: Do you honestly think the combined company wouldn't honor your long-standing patronage, no matter which name it ended up calling itself?
79 kgaiflyer: I've only got 250 grand in the bank. But I'm on your side.
80 mffoda: How about U-Conn ?? They could move the HQ to Storrs, CT And maybe get a new livery... http://huskyraze.webs.com/uconn_logo.jpg
81 MadameConcorde: If they are merging I hope United will take the lead. I would hate to lose my advantages and flying in Economy + on United is much better than sitting
82 nyc2theworld: I think that's actually pretty good. The gold by the United name give an unconcious effect of thinking "premium, high value"; while the Continetal gl
83 evanbu: Except for the little problem that Continental isn't spelled Conntinental... You might as well call it "Iowa Hawkeyes Airlines" LOL...(Go Hawks) Eith
84 MadameConcorde: http://www.chicagobreakingbusiness.c...ental-would-make-chicago-home.html Seems like Glenn will be staying http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2060
85 exFATboy: But to a lot of Americans whose only experience on UA has been domestic, it's more like losing a grouchy, dysfunctional neighbor. I don't think non-A
86 MadameConcorde: as if Continental US domestic flights are better? I will definitely say they aren't. A lot of times they are even worse not considering the fact that
87 Viscount724: I think most people would disagree with that. Personally I find the best service is from the youngest and least experienced flight attendants, especi
88 UK_Dispatcher: Personally I think United Continental sounds good. If one name were to survive, I think United should be the one.
89 kgaiflyer: And good pizza is hard to find in Houston -- yet another reason to move the HQ north.
90 exFATboy: And I will respectfully disagree with you. While I've had a few good trips recently, for the most part I've had more delays, more rude treatment, and
91 DLHFLYER: I can tell you that nobody in northern Minnesota knows who Continental is. They know: Northwest (now Delta), American, and United. That's it. United h
92 Kaiarahi: With that name, wouldn't YXY or YDA be more appropriate?
93 ml86: My suggestions: 1 Pan American World Airways 2 United World Airways aka UWA Joking aside, who else thinks it would be nice for the "new" UA to resurre
94 mayor: Perhaps you missed my small attempt at humor. Or perhaps you don't have a sense of humor. Either way, what I wrote has nothing to do whether I'm a DL
95 cokepopper: Very touchy huh? Many of us strive to be the best, not biggest. Also see the following quote:
96 voltage: The best pizza in Houston is the one that comes out of my oven! No...that is not an open invitation to my house!
97 sdexplorer00: Wall Street Journal is now saying "United Airlines Brand Would Survive"
98 sdexplorer00: Wall Street Journal is now saying "United Airlines Brand Would Survive" "UAL Corp.'s United Airlines would be the surviving brand if it was to merge w
99 MSPNWA: And UA should stay. People in my area don't know CO from CA.
100 764: I like the concept. Looking at just the liveries, Continental definitely looks better. UA's current scheme has no distinct character. This goes for m
101 777STL: That article also says it would be the largest airline in the world by traffic. I can't wait for the day that I don't have to hear about how DL is th
102 aviateur: My critique of these two carriers current liveries: -- United Airlines. This blueprint -- and we do mean BLUEprint -- replaces United's heretofore dus
103 mayor: I can't wait for the day that you quit complaining about it. DL, is, at this moment, the worlds largest airline. Will it stay that way? Probably not
104 kgaiflyer: This design from A.net member 'Airport' over in the "CO/UA Livery Post Merger?" thread isn't bad either. [Edited 2010-04-23 21:47:24]
105 United1: So you were just being rude then? My comment wasnt directed at you and your right that at the end of the day its going to be AA that will be in troub
106 MadameConcorde: I was on the very first United flight out of CDG - Yes First to Fly on United from Paris - now it's FRA, MUC and ZRH. The merger isn't a done deal ye
107 UnitedFA07: Tell Delta that when they keep advertising in TV commercials and probably in print that they are the "largest airline in the world"! Yes I'm sure if/
108 mayor: Well, BA has for years touted themselves as "The World's Favourite Airline" even though there are any number of carriers that have carried more pax.
109 777STL: That's exactly my point though. Before DL merged with NW and when AA was the largest airline, all we heard from certain DL fanboy personalities is th
110 United1: No she's a fangirl... there is a difference. When BA created that tag line they carried more international passengers then any other airline...I don'
111 mayor: Doesn't everyone do that, including the marketing department? Like I said, DL is, at the moment, the world's largest airline. It's probably a good id
112 777STL: To be fair, I can't recall you yourself ever saying this and I wasn't directing that specifically at you. In my opinion, they're not nearly as obnoxi
113 SXDFC: Until then... U N T I T L E D - Flying For A Name
114 mayor: I can think of one or two AA supporters that are the same way. But, it all comes down to what your perception is of their opinions, doesn't it? Becau
115 777STL: I should have gone further with that and included that this certain person also goes out of his way to bash AA by creating anti-AA threads, but whate
117 flyingclrs727: Why would the management of the merged company want to be located in Chicago? Besides having better weather, Houston is located in Texas which has no
118 evanbu: Who cares! The Midwest and Chicago is 10X better than Houston. I would rather pay personal income tax in Chicago than live in Houston another day...
119 Iflewrepublic: Possible slogan: "United Together. Stronger. We're Continental Airlines."
120 BEG2IAH: I hope you meant state tax. I've been paying my income tax very successfully. BEG2IAH
121 dxing: Nope. It's muggy and hot in Chicago in the summer. Remember a few years ago when hundreds died in a heat wave? It's nasty in the winter time with sno
122 BAW716: UA/CO again... 1. CO will only do the deal if CO management runs the entire airline. 2. UA needs a merger because it cannot survive long term on its o
123 MoltenRock: Ask yourself why all "world class cities" in the US are not located in low tax southern states but rather places like California (Los Angeles - San F
124 dxing: Ask yourself why there are so many fortune 500 companies located in Houston. That depends on the school system, same as anywhere. Just because someth
125 justloveplanes: This is Beautiful! UA, are you listening?? Better than either livery now.
126 justloveplanes: Houston IS a world class city. Apparently you don't do enough international business to know this fact. I grant you, it is odd that Houston has a bet
127 CO767FA: No they don't - http://www.conti-online.com/generato...omobile/general/home/index_en.html Is it possible that UA offers the E+ to compensate for thei
128 Lufthansa411: Oh yes. The old "taxes are the only thing that matters when choosing an HQ" argument. There are so many other things that are looked at besides wheth
129 mayor: Ask anyone from Chicago, LA or New York what they think of their public school systems. I don't think any of them are an example you would want to us
130 United1: For the most part Chicago's suburbs, where the majority of the population lives, has a great school systems. You may be surprised at the outcome then
131 mayor: May be, but then, who ARE those 3mil+ people that live IN Chicago?
132 UnitedFA07: Since this thread, post whatever you call it is about the name. Some of you point out that you don't like the font used on the newest livery, and you
133 kgaiflyer: Not mine. The "CO/UA Livery Post Merger" thread appears to have been deleted. This was in that thread.
134 kgaiflyer: You're right. The font's been changed. However, look for an older VW Beetle (they have Continental Tires) . The font *used to be* the same one Contin
135 flyingclrs727: Everyone living in a state in the US is subject to federal income taxes, but there are several states like Texas and Florida that have no personal in
136 kiwiandrew: Yes , incredible , just like that other well known and poorly run basket case Singapore Airlines ... clearly ordering both aircraft could only be don
137 Argonaut: The fact is, both United and Continental have strong brands. There are many good arguments in favour of each name. United has a very long history (aro
138 Airport: Thank you for the kind words about my design. I did about 12 different designs after that one, and came up with a few that I liked even more. I could
139 kgaiflyer: Are you kidding, Anthony? Post away!
140 spacecadet: In light. Not in paint. In paint, white is no color. Mix all the pigments possible in paint and you get a dark grey. Chicago doesn't have anything an
141 Airport: I did a lot of sketches and concepts that never made it to the full rendering stage, but out of all the designs I did, this one (with the silver tuli
142 keesje: Similar to Delta - NWA The bigger more practicle brand surviving (Delat, United), but strategic directions / mngt from the financial more succesfull s
143 Kappel: Not bad, to further elaborate on that, how about ContinUAL? Even more of UA in that name... IMHO, UA has the better c/s, but I like CO's too. UA's is
144 Kaiarahi: As the guy with the small aircraft would say, "It's not about size, it's about how you use it."[Edited 2010-04-26 05:01:27]
145 olympic472: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2518809220100426 The combined entities will be named UNITED. Article seems credible. The NYT article that was refe
146 kgaiflyer: Funny thing -- I see old USAirways in the very dark top / light bottom. I thought I'd love this combination, but.... How would this scheme work in Ho
147 Airport: Right, right. Hence why I said... It wasn't an exercise in designing a realistic livery, but more combining all of the elements in livery design that
148 richierich: I hear you, but if the merger happens I think it is more likely that one of the two current names will survive. These are not small airlines and they
152 kgaiflyer: Perhaps it's just the pantone of blue -- I'm noticing the teal shades complement gold more than the navy shades In the case of the 777 below, we could
153 7673mech: Read yesterday's paper fellas - the smart one - New York Times - merger talks are stalled over stock plan.
154 kgaiflyer: Yeah, but we UA stockholders are not ready to throw in the towel (this time ).
155 United1: Stalled may be the wrong word to use...UA and CO are still negotiationg the final price which is not all that unusual. It should be noted that this i
156 kgaiflyer: | "Stock price fluctuations are a minor irritant in the talks. | All other potential deal breakers have been resolved. | Give this a few days, and the
157 kgaiflyer: Or . . . the chorus from the Grateful Dead's "Jackstraw from Wichita" ("We can share the women - we can share the wine" ) .
158 Antoniemey: True, Taxes aren't the only factor in picking an HQ location. But I doubt Company A and Company B were commercial airlines. You can get anywhere just
159 UnitedFA07: Not to be rude, but HORRIBLE! Why would anyone want to do navy blue again?! Look at that on the battleship gray livery, how the navy blue on the engi
160 Airport: I myself prefer darker, colorful, streamlined liveries that echo classic styles and designs. I used the 70s/80s tulip because it is an icon that is r
161 UnitedFA07: Just like everything else on here, it's all opinions!
162 deltal1011man: oh wow the fuel it would take to keep that thing cool during the summer will put the airline under. I like but no way will they go with mostly dark.
163 Airport: Haha, yep, probably. Then again, a couple things to consider -- Vietnam Airlines has a very dark teal fuselage and last I checked Vietnam aint exactl
164 deltal1011man: True i did say most. I mean it *could* happen(look at the battle ship UA c/s and the US east c/s) but more likely than not they will go with mostly w
165 kgaiflyer: ???? A spoon? Why would I want to do that? The politics of teal and yellow takes into consideration "yellow" from CO 's paint scheme and "blue" from
166 CALPSAFltSkeds: That Blue paint job is too blue. The blue paint will fade quickly, be hot in summer, etc. Here are thought to kind of merge current schemes of each ai
167 kgaiflyer: I like both your ideas. I can see you've been thinking about this. Yeah, the globe vs. tulip thing. I can't visualize the 'united' (globe and tulip)
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That's what I've been saying all along. There is no way that the UA culture is just going to disappear, especially if HQ does remain in Chicago. As I've said in the past, saying that CO will be running the show is the same as saying that CO does everything better than UA which, IMHO, is absolutely incorrect.
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