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Why Doesn't CO Have A Map On Their Domestic PTVs?  
User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

Once the hard product is installed, it must be fairly cheap to offer a moving map...Is there a reason they don't have it on the 737 fleet?

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7691 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

I'm just speculating, but it may be that during the design of their system there was concern that inflight maps would be banned so they didn't want to waste the time on something that might be gone. If you don't know, when we've had terrorist incidents like the underwear bomber there have been periods of time where the map systems were shutdown and concerns raised about whether it provides too much information to a potential terrorist.

User currently offlinestar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4846 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
I'm just speculating, but it may be that during the design of their system there was concern that inflight maps would be banned so they didn't want to waste the time on something that might be gone. If you don't know, when we've had terrorist incidents like the underwear bomber there have been periods of time where the map systems were shutdown and concerns raised about whether it provides too much information to a potential terrorist.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. It just isn't part of the technical functionality today. It could potentially be added in the future. I presume the main reason was the extra time that would be required to test and integrate this functionality.

There is no video-based safety briefing on the system (yet) either.


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4802 times:

Quoting star_world (Reply 2):
It just isn't part of the technical functionality today. It could potentially be added in the future. I presume the main reason was the extra time that would be required to test and integrate this functionality.

There is no video-based safety briefing on the system (yet) either.

Have all domestic CO aircraft been equipped with PTV's yet? The last time I flew with CO was about three years ago, and none of the four 737's I was on had them.



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User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4774 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
Have all domestic CO aircraft been equipped with PTV's yet? The last time I flew with CO was about three years ago, and none of the four 737's I was on had them.

All the 739ERs are done, and so are some of the 739s and 738s, and the test 73G. Here a link to the current status:

http://www.continental.com/web/en-us...rtainment/directv/fleetstatus.aspx

Quoting star_world (Reply 2):
There is no video-based safety briefing on the system (yet) either.

Yet is a good word, there's a button for it on the FA panel.

[Edited 2010-04-23 09:34:55]

User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 4):
Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
Have all domestic CO aircraft been equipped with PTV's yet? The last time I flew with CO was about three years ago, and none of the four 737's I was on had them.

All the 739ERs are done, and so are some of the 739s and 738s, and the test 73G. Here a link to the current status:

http://www.continental.com/web/en-us....aspx

Which makes me suspect CO is waiting for 100% installation before introducing PTV features such as a moving map and video-based safety briefings fleet-wide.

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 4):
Quoting star_world (Reply 2):
There is no video-based safety briefing on the system (yet) either.

Yet is a good word, there's a button for it on the FA panel.

And this would tend to confirm my suspicion.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

the inflight maps really can't deter anything

these days with wifi and aircell and flightaware.com, determined individuals can simply communicate with people on the group, which can give them a very good approximation of the plane's position


User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

Quoting star_world (Reply 2):
I presume the main reason was the extra time that would be required to test and integrate this functionality.

Didn't they have it installed by jetBlue, which presumably uses the same map function?

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 4):
All the 739ERs are done, and so are some of the 739s and 738s, and the test 73G. Here a link to the current status:

Looks like the 737 fleet will be done by the end of this year; that is great news!

Quoting TSS (Reply 5):
Which makes me suspect CO is waiting for 100% installation before introducing PTV features such as a moving map and video-based safety briefings fleet-wide.

I hope so. And I hope they have a map like that on Delta and not like jetBlue (where half of the time it is an advertisement rather than a map).


User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 7):
Didn't they have it installed by jetBlue, which presumably uses the same map function?

The system was installed by LiveTV (JetBlue), but it is not the same system that B6 has installed on their aircraft. It is lighter, fits in an overhead bin instead of in the cargo hold, has a program guide, allows more channels, and is quicker to install. I'm not sure if B6 has this installed on any of their aircraft, or if it will be standard for their future deliveries.


User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 8):
The system was installed by LiveTV (JetBlue), but it is not the same system that B6 has installed on their aircraft. It is lighter, fits in an overhead bin instead of in the cargo hold, has a program guide, allows more channels, and is quicker to install. I'm not sure if B6 has this installed on any of their aircraft, or if it will be standard for their future deliveries.

Interesting. I've just been looking through some pics from trip reports. It looks like the map feature on the 757s is the same one that is on Delta (and in United's new AVOD in F&Y on the 767s and 747s), but the 767 and 777s seem to have the older traditional one.


User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 946 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 4):
All the 739ERs are done, and so are some of the 739s and 738s, and the test 73G. Here a link to the current status:

I'm impressed that they will have all the 737's and 757-300's done by the end of the year and also impressed by how many channels they are offering.... but from looking at that page it looks like people in coach don't get any channels for free like on Delta. That can't be true is it?


User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Quoting klkla (Reply 10):
but from looking at that page it looks like people in coach don't get any channels for free like on Delta. That can't be true is it?

LiveTV is footing the bill for the install, and they keep the majority of the revenue obtained from it. So nope, no free channels in economy.


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
Is there a reason they don't have it on the 737 fleet?

Ehh...I was on a 739 from IAH-FLL about 3 weeks ago and I had a moving map.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 12):
Ehh...I was on a 739 from IAH-FLL about 3 weeks ago and I had a moving map.

So is there a moving map or not?



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2727 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

My family and I were traveling from Milan-SAN vias EWR a few years ago and I remember the moving map, which was briefly shown on the overhead screen between movie presentations on the EWR-SAN leg. I'm pretty sure it was a 738 flight. I was really depressed after the movie that headwinds had slowed us down and we hadn't even made it past MCI at the time. What a long day. That 6 hour flight felt longer than the almost 10 hour TATL.

User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3433 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
So is there a moving map or not?

On the overhead yes, on the PTV no.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 15):
On the overhead yes, on the PTV no.

But the map isnt shown the whole journey, right?



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User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 16):
But the map isnt shown the whole journey, right?

Right, it is shown in between the other programming.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 17):
Right, it is shown in between the other programming

But now that they have installed PTVs are they still showing programs on their overhead TVs?



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User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Quoting klkla (Reply 10):
but from looking at that page it looks like people in coach don't get any channels for free like on Delta. That can't be true is it?

Yes, this is correct. It is free on Delta, but only available on a limited number of aircraft. Within a year, the majority of domestic CO flights will have it, while Delta's MD-88s--which fly the bulk of East Coast business routes--will never have it.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 12):
Ehh...I was on a 739 from IAH-FLL about 3 weeks ago and I had a moving map.

On the overhead right?

Quoting B747forever (Reply 18):
But now that they have installed PTVs are they still showing programs on their overhead TVs?

Good question.


User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3714 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 9):
I've just been looking through some pics from trip reports. It looks like the map feature on the 757s is the same one that is on Delta (and in United's new AVOD in F&Y on the 767s and 747s), but the 767 and 777s seem to have the older traditional one.

The 752s and 772s should now have similar moving maps when AVOD was completed on both fleets. Prior to the 772 getting AVOD, they had the moving map similar to that currently found on the 762s and 764s, in both English and the destination language.

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 4):
All the 739ERs are done

All the 739ERs that are currently in service are done. Prior to entering revenue service, planes from Boeing are usually shipped to MCO for LiveTV installation.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 18):

But now that they have installed PTVs are they still showing programs on their overhead TVs?

The 739ERs never had overhead monitors installed in anticipation to LiveTV installation. Thus for a few months when the 739ER entered service, they had no form of inflight entertainment. I'm not sure if inseat power was provided at Boeing or was part of the installation progress at MCO. I have yet to fly on a 738 that has LiveTV, but I would assume that they are still used when doing the inflight safety demonstration as the video was recently updated (and can be viewed on YouTube).



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User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 946 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 19):
Yes, this is correct. It is free on Delta, but only available on a limited number of aircraft. Within a year, the majority of domestic CO flights will have it, while Delta's MD-88s--which fly the bulk of East Coast business routes--will never have it.

Good point but in all fairness the MD80's are used on shorter routes. It's doubtful many of Continental's passengers will see any value in paying for liveTV on a short flight.


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 12):
Ehh...I was on a 739 from IAH-FLL about 3 weeks ago and I had a moving map.

So is there a moving map or not?

Yes, at least on the aircraft which operated the aforementioned flight.

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 19):
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 12):
Ehh...I was on a 739 from IAH-FLL about 3 weeks ago and I had a moving map.

On the overhead right?

No, the 739 does not have overhead LCDs as far as I remember...if there was I wasn't paying any attention to it. They are all in-seat AVOD with DirecTV.


User currently offlinestar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 22):

Yes, at least on the aircraft which operated the aforementioned flight.

If there were PTVs and DirecTV on your flight, there was no moving map.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 22):
They are all in-seat AVOD with DirecTV.

No, they are not. There is no AVOD on any CO 737.

If you had a PTV, and you are certain you had a moving map, and you had a touch screen to control AVOD, then you were on a 757-200, not a 739. There would have been no DirecTV (live TV) though.


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Quoting star_world (Reply 23):
No, they are not. There is no AVOD on any CO 737.

If you had a PTV, and you are certain you had a moving map, and you had a touch screen to control AVOD, then you were on a 757-200, not a 739. There would have been no DirecTV (live TV) though.

Okay sorry, not AVOD but a PTV. I couldn't remember if it had other functions, not that it really matters much.

I was not on a 752, I was on a 739. I assure you I know the difference. There was DirecTV and a map channel that used a similar looking map as B6.


25 avek00 : Well, if the merger takes place, I'd expect this program to suspend for some time like most every other improvement program at CO and UA will.
26 rjpieces : This is true. I wonder why they don't have different pricing for different flights...i.e. $6 for a trans-con, $2 for a one-hour flight to Chicago...T
27 nws2002 : There's a rumor that they will be trying out variable pricing on the 753 and seeing how LiveTV works out vs GoGo.
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