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How About A US/AS Merger?  
User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4969 times:

With US now being left off to the side as UA-CO contemplate merger, how about a merger of US and AS? Together they could be a strong force on the west coast, with anchors in SEA and PHX. While they wouldn't be as much of a national carrier as DL, AA, or a merged UA/CO, they could carve out a strong regional niche for themselves. They are both currently peripheral carriers, but as a single entity they could be much more "relevant."

Since US is so bi-coastal, maybe they could even swap some of their lucrative east coast assets at LGA/DCA/PHL for UA slots at SFO/LAX/DEN, and then a US/AS combo could be a truly dominant presence in the western U.S. Just one possible scenario.

Thoughts??

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User currently offlineAirnerd From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4971 times:

Or CO/US! that would show UA.

User currently offlinemjzair From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

I would think that a merged Alaska/Air Tran is much more complimentary. Similar fleet, and can have great presence across the country.
I don't see AS/US.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4858 times:

Argh...

There are a plethora of threads that explore this issue.

Alaska is in a great spot codesharing with DL, AA, and many other airlines around the world. A merger with anyone would threaten these codeshares, and likely rise up costs which would make Alaska's network uneconomical. Alaska has no interest in becoming the biggest airline, or even a nationwide airline. They do however hold a lot of interest in becoming the most profitable and most financially secure; something they have quite a knack at achieving.

Unless an airline were to succeed in a hostile takeover, (which no airline has any logical reason to as it'd be an extremely pricey venture only to get a network that couldn't sustain itself under the costs of most airlines and thus would be shredded), you won't see AS merge with anyone anytime soon.

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

[Edited 2010-04-23 14:38:46]

User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

Ugh. No!!! The last time US acquired a regional west coast carrier, look what happened. Or for that matter, when AA acquired two. Plus all the MPV's/Golds would defect to WN/VX/B6 in a heartbeat.

User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):
Since US is so bi-coastal, maybe they could even swap some of their lucrative east coast assets at LGA/DCA/PHL for UA slots at SFO/LAX/DEN, and then a US/AS combo could be a truly dominant presence in the western U.S. Just one possible scenario.

Slots aren't a factor at SFO/LAX/DEN unless something has changed.


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

What about AS/HA and rule the Pacific and Pacific Northwest? I know bad idea...but better than US!

User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 6):
What about AS/HA and rule the Pacific and Pacific Northwest? I know bad idea...but better than US!

How about HA/AS and DL?

To counteract UA/CO and AA/JL in the Pacific....HA/DL commonality with the 763ER/A332.

[Edited 2010-04-23 15:55:00]

User currently offlineswalifebtw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

US would have a battle. I think WN would jump at AS if Rumors of US/AS came out. An AS/WN merge would work best for Alaskans. US totally destroyed a good brand like PSA. America West betrayed their own when merging with US. Now the America West culture is gone. I'd hate to see that with Alaska Air. Southwest would accommodate the Alaskan and Pacific NW traveling public well. Also routes to Mexico, Canada & Hawaii as well.

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4384 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):
Since US is so bi-coastal

I think you meant "bi-polar".  
Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 6):
What about AS/HA and rule the Pacific and Pacific Northwest? I know bad idea...but better than US!

Much better idea than AS/US...

Quoting CV880 (Reply 7):
How about HA/AS and DL?

To counteract UA/CO and AA/JL in the Pacific....HA/DL commonality with the 763ER/A332

...but this would be horrible. UA/CO, DL/NW, and AA/Pieces of US - let everyone else keep doin' what they're doin'.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlinehnl-jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

AS isn't likely to merge with anyone in the near future as they have a great niche and solid following up and down the West Coast. However, one "never says never" and I thnk as AS880 says, an HA-AS combination sometime in the future could make sense. AS will need to continue to grow and their current prospects for growth are getting less and less. They've taken on Hawaii in a big way, but beyond that, it's more Mexico or begin to expand outside of their major hub focus. HA on the other hand is just beginning to feel it oats. It too uses a simiar hub strategy in HNL focusing on O&D traffic. While its focus has been on the West Coast it has many potential markets to explore in the midwest, east coast, Pacific and Asia. Their current route maps link up well, management style is similar, cost structure similar and if the need arises to bulk up in the next few years, they could be an interesting combination.


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3986 times:
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Quoting Airport (Reply 3):
Alaska is in a great spot codesharing with DL, AA, and many other airlines around the world. A merger with anyone would threaten these codeshares, and likely rise up costs which would make Alaska's network uneconomical. Alaska has no interest in becoming the biggest airline, or even a nationwide airline. They do however hold a lot of interest in becoming the most profitable and most financially secure; something they have quite a knack at achieving.

Unless an airline were to succeed in a hostile takeover, (which no airline has any logical reason to as it'd be an extremely pricey venture only to get a network that couldn't sustain itself under the costs of most airlines and thus would be shredded), you won't see AS merge with anyone anytime soon.

  

And of course there's the simple fact that AS doesn't want to buy US. They're comfortable with organic growth.



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User currently offlinekinglobjaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

I always said US/NK is the way to go. Fleet commonality, Carribbean focus. + some extra DCA/LGA slots the DOJ would not object too, unlike a merger with UA. Just re-do the Spirit birds and get red of the 3 Bs in charge of Sprit. Turn Spirit's joke of a FFP into DM and we're game. Actually plan on keeping FLL as a hub. Could result in a Euro flight from FLL on US. NK has a nice portofolio of destinations and merging with US would make it a viable AA competitor on the Carib/Latin/South America flights. With a FLL hub, the CLT-GIG could be moved there for better results.

-Kinglobjaw



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User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

No, no and no again. AS has a history of doing excellent on its own. No good reason to change this. I don't also see US as being interested. After all, it really looked as though UA was the more interested "partner" in that ridiculous getup anyhow.

A good look at AS's network, fleet, following, and probably a few other factors shows that AS will likely be one of the few US carriers to remain unchanged (significantly) over the next few decades.


User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

So since Alaska would have to buy US Airways then would the merged name be Alaska Airways or maybe, since many mistake Alaska for Alaskan, Alaskan Airways would be the new name. Charlie to stay on the tail and he will embrace the world. I like it. Done Deal!   

User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

I got it!   

So I've got a new branding campaign, if US and AS merge!

The US Airways name would stay, for it has much better brand recognition across the world. But then you have the Alaska brand and the "Eskimo tail", which draws a fiercely loyal brand following, so you must somehow keep the Eskimo on the tail. But while an Eskimo makes a fantastic symbol for Alaska, Alaska is only 1/50th of all the States in the Union, and we need an icon to represent the United States, as this is US Airways after all...

Aha! The solution is obvious! The new icon for US Airways could be famous U.S. Presidents......

......in Eskimo clothing!

It's the perfect compromise!   

Just imagine...


Eskimo Washington

Eskimo Lincoln

Eskimo Roosevelt

Eskimo Reagan



Aren't I so smart!?! The campaign will render the public speechless, as such a unique and groundbreaking campaign cannot be described in words! And it's great cause makes just as much sense as the US-AS merger itself! Gosh, the airlines should just hire me to solve all their problems... 

/satire

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 15):
The campaign will render the public speechless,

Oh I'm speechless!  

Great job!

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineyeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 15):
The solution is obvious! The new icon for US Airways could be famous U.S. Presidents in Eskimo clothing!

Oh yeah, Ronald Regan with a bodacious afro... that should go over well.   

yeo



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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 871 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3541 times:
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Quoting Airport (Reply 15):
It's the perfect compromise

Too funny, and well done!



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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 16):

Oh I'm speechless!

Great job!
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 16):
Too funny, and well done!
Quoting yeogeo (Reply 17):
Oh yeah, Ronald Regan with a bodacious afro... that should go over well.

   I know! Classy, right? About as classy as me.  

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

AS/US merger would never work, however AS is one of two airlines I could see making PHX work as a hub. The other carrier would be B6.


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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4600 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

Why would US merger with AS? They aren't done with executing the PSA playbook and completely dismantle the former HP route network yet. lol

User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

Airport wins all the points. Game over.

User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 3):
Argh...

There are a plethora of threads that explore this issue.

Actually there aren't, with regards to US/AS.


But three cheers for your suggestion of the presidents on the tails!


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):
With US now being left off to the side as UA-CO contemplate merger, how about a merger of US and AS?

Basically AS is a super-model who could have anybody she wants and US is the gigilo who desperately clings to anybody who walks by like a dog in heat. I don't see that couple working...and that's not even speaking to the labor issues.


25 seabosdca : One of these days both airline management and a.net posters will learn the lesson: West Coast operations are not compatible with legacy cost structure
26 Post contains images TSS : Bravo Anthony/Airport! You'd better hope I can sop up the coffee I just spewed all over my computer, though...
27 Post contains images AirframeAS : First, the F9 thread (Love the anti-WN tail, by the way!) and now this! Airport is a hero all around! Bravo!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!! As for the thre
28 beryllium : What's interesting here is that pretty much all NK top management is from "old" (Washington, DC - based) US Airways. (Baldanza, Biffle, Lefebvre, etc
29 SMPPLNOHoW2FLY : Props to Airport on the livery, 10 times better than the best scheme out there...would love to see how well the George W Bush plane would be received
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