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Active Widebody Fleet Of UA/CO Vs DL Vs AA In 2010  
User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1097 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

Looking at how the Widebody fleets of the Big Three compare in 2010.

UA 744/24 777/52 763/35............Total without CO 111.
CO 777/22* 764/16 762/10...........Total WB fleet 159. (* 20+2 sked deliveries 2010)

DL 744/16 777/18 333/21 332/11 763/69 764/21....Total WB fleet 156.

AA 777/47 763/58 762/15.............Total WB fleet 120.

Adding in the 757's of each carrier would give:

UA 757/96
CO 757/62 *includes 21 753's.............Total UA/CO including 757's total 317.

DL 757/185 *includes 16 753's...........Total 341.

AA 757/124 ....................................Total 244.

[Edited 2010-04-24 12:59:39]

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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5484 times:

Quoting CV880 (Thread starter):
DL 744/16 777/18 333/21 332/11 763/69 764/21....Total WB fleet 156.

You can go ahead and say at least 52 763ERs for Delta, as 52 is the long term plan
Also you may or may not want to count the 763As for Delta(14) and 4 of them are ETOPS



yep.
User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6344 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5299 times:

Quoting CV880 (Thread starter):
CO 777/22* 764/16 762/10...........Total WB fleet 159. (* 20+2 sked deliveries 2010)

Don't understand your math for CO. How does that come out to be 159?


User currently offlineworldtraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5167 times:

given that no aircraft is entirely used domestic or int'l, counting widebodies is appropriate even if they are used for int'l.... many of UA's 777s are not used for intercontinental services...

the same thing can be said for 757s. Since the 739 is about the size of the 757, you might as well count them... and since some 738s and M90s seat almost as large as some 739s, you might as well count them...

there is no clear division beyond model and widebody/narrowbody.


User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1097 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 2):
Don't understand your math for CO. How does that come out to be 159?

UA+CO

Quoting worldtraveler (Reply 3):
given that no aircraft is entirely used domestic or int'l, counting widebodies is appropriate even if they are used for int'l.... many of UA's 777s are not used for intercontinental services...

the same thing can be said for 757s. Since the 739 is about the size of the 757, you might as well count them... and since some 738s and M90s seat almost as large as some 739s, you might as well count them...

there is no clear division beyond model and widebody/narrowbody.

Some UA 777's are domestic, and some CO/DL/AA 757's are international. The 737's aren't used overseas except Hawaii, so why include them?

Still an indicator of overseas capability of the fleet of each carrier.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9958 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5053 times:

Quoting CV880 (Reply 4):
Still an indicator of overseas capability of the fleet of each carrier.

Yes, but you didn't specify "overseas capability", just the number of widebodies in each airline's fleet.  



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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

Quoting CV880 (Thread starter):
UA 744/24 777/52 763/35............Total without CO 111.
CO 777/22* 764/16 762/10...........Total WB fleet 159. (* 20+2 sked deliveries 2010)
Quoting CV880 (Reply 4):
UA+CO

For everybody's sake.... UA & CO have not merged!!!!!
Treat them as 2 separate entities!!!
Some people have already merged the 2 airlines here on anet.

Quoting CV880 (Thread starter):
Adding in the 757's of each carrier would give:

If your thread topic says 'Widebody Fleets', why in the world are you including 757s?


User currently offlineworldtraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4428 times:

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 6):
For everybody's sake.... UA & CO have not merged!!!!!
Treat them as 2 separate entities!!!
Some people have already merged the 2 airlines here on anet.

correct.. and even if the merger is announced, it will take the better part of a year for something to be announced... and not only will UA and CO tweak their operating plans during that time period, but so will competitors....

the bottom line, even presented here, is that the combined UA/CO with the existing fleet will not be significantly at an advantage in terms of fleet.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6344 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4330 times:

Quoting worldtraveler (Reply 7):
correct.. and even if the merger is announced, it will take the better part of a year for something to be announced...

It will either be announced shortly or not at all. I think not at all. Why on earth would it take a year to announce it. Are you sure you are not confusing "announced" with "approved"?


User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1097 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

Quoting worldtraveler (Reply 7):
the bottom line, even presented here, is that the combined UA/CO with the existing fleet will not be significantly at an advantage in terms of fleet.

Precisely my point (although I did not state it)...
 


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