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How Do F9 And FL Do At CAK?  
User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

Are they highly profitable since they have basically no competition except DL to ATL for FL, or is it basically a niche that nobody else cared to fill?

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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3322 times:
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Quoting LHCVG (Thread starter):
Are they highly profitable since they have basically no competition except DL to ATL for FL, or is it basically a niche that nobody else cared to fill?

Traffic is up 6% this year over last, Aitran is adding flights, and Deta to DTW, and Frontier is putting the A320 on that route:

http://www.akroncantonairport.com/moreflightsandbigger.htm

"More flights and bigger planes @ CAK

mariner



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

Wow, a 320! They just downsized to the E190 not to long ago. I am glad to see CAK is staying strong in an area with a AWFUL economy.

Thank you F9. Makes something to spot when I visit the family



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3227 times:
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Quoting as739x (Reply 2):
They just downsized to the E190 not to long ago. I am glad to see CAK is staying strong in an area with a AWFUL economy.

DEN-CAK, as with many routes, is always stronger in summer than in winter. DEN-DAY gets the A320 for one of the frequencies this summer, too.

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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 1):
Frontier is putting the A320 on that route:

I can confirm that. Putting the A320 on the route says a lot. We're making money!



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 3):

Yeah, I've always none it does well. F9 being full out of CAK has caused me to buy 1-way tickets on FL, just to get back to the Left Coast. F9 serve's in my mind is the best you can get from CAK and a 320 is the largest a/c I have seen fly regular schedule serves since the strech 727 days. Nice to see!



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User currently onlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

Wouldn't be surprised if F9 pulls out of CLE (the ex-YX route to MKE) and consolidates all ops at CAK with those results.


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2626 times:
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Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
Wouldn't be surprised if F9 pulls out of CLE (the ex-YX route to MKE) and consolidates all ops at CAK with those results.

That's a real puzzle.

There are a couple of such situations in the combined Frontier/Midwest route map - FNT and DTW, for example, or LGA and EWR - but CAK and CLE may be the most obvious one.

I'd be surprised if CAK-MKE could support two airlines - I believe (?) Airtran/Skywest has already dropped a frequency, from 3 to 2?

Equally, I have no idea how well CLE-MKE does for Frontier/Midwest.

It's hard to imagine Frontier would abandon CAK - but if the United/Continental merger goes ahead, does that change anything at CLE?

Can they maintain both? Is a puzzlement.  

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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2614 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 7):
That's a real puzzle.

There are a couple of such situations in the combined Frontier/Midwest route map - FNT and DTW, for example, or LGA and EWR - but CAK and CLE may be the most obvious one.

I'd be surprised if CAK-MKE could support two airlines - I believe (?) Airtran/Skywest has already dropped a frequency, from 3 to 2?

Equally, I have no idea how well CLE-MKE does for Frontier/Midwest.

It's hard to imagine Frontier would abandon CAK - but if the United/Continental merger goes ahead, does that change anything at CLE?

Can they maintain both? Is a puzzlement.

mariner

This came up a while back in some other thread (can't remember the exact topic at hand), and several raised the point that CLE is such a large market compared to CAK that they might love the chance to move to CLE. However, sometimes I think that these two have carved a nice little niche for themselves at CAK so they might just want to focus there and draw whatever they can from the southern Cleveland area. I guess the bottom line would be that regardless of what happens nobody is going to stage a pitched battle for CAK so it probably won't change drastically.


User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2559 times:

According to Knope's T100 reports for Jan. 2010 CLE - MKE had 40% load factor... While CAK - MKE had around 25% load factors. I think Frontier should keep CLE - MKE because I believe it is mostly business related and probably gets a higher fare. As for SkyWest's CAK - MKE, I heard loads are up on that route and yes, it is down from 3 to 2 on frequency.

User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

CAK has been great at getting the community involved at the airport. Awareness and education has really helped and with the hard work they did when AirTran first came in has kept the momentum going. All airlines out of there do really well and even though Skywest dropped a flight, 2x is where it should be at the schedule they are running. If they wanted an ideal schedule for connections and O/D, they could probably make 3x work. I would venture to guess, the next undertaking for the folks at CAK will be international flights to CUN. I know it's in their long term plan to put in an FIS terminal and I'm sure CUN would be an instant hit.

As for the coterminals (CLE/CAK, FNT/DTW), I think you have to look at their costs and the revenues they are bringing in. How would F9 do on the CAK-MKE route versus CLE-MKE? I don't think F9 would leave CLE for CAK simply because the F9 product probably wouldn't be able to overtake the popularity of the FL product (even though it's operated by Skywest). Also, the F9 service is catering to the MKE originating traffic, not the Cleveland originating traffic. If they were to move it to CAK, they would need to cater a lot more to the CAK originating traffic. On the flip side - I don't think F9 will leave the CAK-DEN route for CLE-DEN. F9 will attract a lot more attention in CAK and still fill the seats at the price they would in CLE. Not to mention, if F9 were to move CLE, it would probably draw a response from WN and then you also still have CO and UA on the route. Throw in the costs of the airports involved, CAK should win out every time. I think this will remain or if anything were to happen, CLE-MKE gets dropped. DTW/FNT are much murkier...that one is a real tough one to call.


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