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Twin 767's: All White Beauties At IAD  
User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2884 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 26694 times:
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For a few years now there have been 2 767's, painted creamy white with just a dark blue double pin stripe from nose to tail. A plain creamy vierticle stabilizer... No markings I can see not even a flag. They are shiny and new and I want to know who owns them and what is on the inside? Help?


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User currently offlineN747PA From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 26645 times:


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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 26591 times:

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
I want to know who owns them and what is on the inside? Help?

If you Google around a bit and read some of the articles about Vision Air's Boeing 767s and their operations, you may conclude that you won't find out much about them. They are/were regular visitors to Bratislava and points further East.

Previous thread: Vision Air Has 762s And 737s? (by Srbmod Aug 9 2007 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2010-04-25 06:09:43]


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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 26583 times:

There are markings on them, but very dull and hard to see. Now move along, nothing more to see here.

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 2):
you may conclude that you won't find out much about them. They are/were regular visitors to Bratislava and points further East.

Need I say more. The 'extraordinary' destinations are a give-away. They certainly 'rendition' their 'special' guests between some interesting locations.  

[Edited 2010-04-25 06:19:15]

[Edited 2010-04-25 06:22:14]

User currently offlinepilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 26310 times:

And they do have registrations on them, they're just very hard to see.

My guess, if you have to ask...



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User currently offlineMercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1356 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 26225 times:

Likely cloak and dagger stuff. These were old UA 767-200 birds, I'm sure w/ good range due to lighter payloads.

[Edited 2010-04-25 07:02:12]

User currently offlineTristarCrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 26044 times:

Vision use to advertise these jets on there website as an all business class charter but they must have removed them from the site....didn't see them. One of these jets had a maintenance visit to Delta TechOps in ATL a few weeks ago


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 26025 times:

Quoting TristarCrazy (Reply 6):
One of these jets had a maintenance visit to Delta TechOps in ATL a few weeks ago

It was still parked over there a few days ago. Vision Airlines has a maintenance deal with Delta TechOps to work on their 737s and 767s.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 25861 times:

http://www.visionairlines.com/companyinformation/our-history/

Actually, they do mention B767's.


User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 24951 times:

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 2):

If you Google around a bit and read some of the articles about Vision Air's Boeing 767s and their operations, you may conclude that you won't find out much about them. They are/were regular visitors to Bratislava and points further East.

About six months ago I was in the UA lounge at IAD that faces their parking area waiting for a flight to London when a couple of big unmarked buses pulled up to one of them and began to load passengers. The stairway was pulled from one of the doors and I was certain that they were about to close it up and taxi when I ran out of time. I noted the time and then when in London, pulled up Flightaware but found no record of a 767-200 departing from that time onwards.



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User currently offlineUnitedFA07 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23710 times:

Sometimes you'll see 2 to 4 of them out there. 3 creamy/white/blue strips and 1 in the Vision livery. Was looking at them today when I was on airport arrest(standby) You can see them when downstairs in the FA ops. Well I can ,not you. You see them upstairs. lol Its neat to see all the planes sitting over there til their next departure.

  


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2884 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 22437 times:
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Thanks. I would have sworn they were gov aircraft.
While the all white aircraft and it's very shiny polished metal details are pretty, for a charter airline I think the livery lacks "Vision"!



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User currently offlinelxmd11 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 22358 times:

Where is the registration??? I cant find them...

User currently offlinelxmd11 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 22182 times:

Quoting lxmd11 (Reply 12):
Where is the registration??? I cant find them...

Nevermind i found it. You can just barely make it out on this picture.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/4/2/8/1284824.jpg


User currently offlineetherealsky From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20030 times:

Quoting lxmd11 (Reply 13):
Nevermind i found it. You can just barely make it out on this picture.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/4/2/8/1284824.jpg

Yikes, how is that registration legal? According to the reg's...

14 CFR § 45.21 Identification and Registration Marking - General

(c) Aircraft nationality and registration marks must—

(1) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, be painted on the aircraft or affixed by any other means insuring a similar degree of permanence;
(2) Have no ornamentation;
(3) Contrast in color with the background; and
(4) Be legible.



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User currently offlineRB211TriStar From United States of America, joined May 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 19918 times:

Quoting etherealsky (Reply 14):
Yikes, how is that registration legal?

I think if you do enough digging (read: interpreting), you'll find that the "owners" are very good friends with the ones that make those rules... and enforce them.  


User currently offlinemy1le From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 18992 times:

Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 15):

They do this the same way that the Government aircraft do it. If you surf around on the dbase you will notice many aircraft with "ghostly" tail numbers. I have been told that, if the aircraft is used for a job that calls for it, they may be allowed to ghost the numbers for security.


User currently onlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5150 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18507 times:

Actually, they expressly show pictures of their 767s on their site:

http://www.visionairlines.com/companyinformation/our-fleet/

But, yes, what they do with them sometimes isn't talked about much publicly. Not quite to the level of EG&G and the "Janet" flights, though.


User currently offlinemNeo From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18336 times:

I have always wondered how much the pilots know about what is going on. Im guessing they are mostly ex-military/ security clearances and all, but do they have any idea who is back there, and what they are doing. Or is it more of the close the door,fly, and dont ask questions.


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User currently offlinejpj777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18263 times:

Sounds like the east coast version of our secretive Janet flights out of McCarran (the worst kept secret around)  

User currently offlinevctony From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17950 times:

Quoting jpj777 (Reply 19):
Sounds like the east coast version of our secretive Janet flights out of McCarran (the worst kept secret around)  

I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some connection. Vision Airlines is based in Vegas.


User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17585 times:

Quoting mNeo (Reply 18):
I have always wondered how much the pilots know about what is going on. Im guessing they are mostly ex-military/ security clearances and all, but do they have any idea who is back there, and what they are doing. Or is it more of the close the door,fly, and dont ask questions.

Probably the complete opposite. There are probably govt. pilots behind the controls.



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User currently offlinepilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 552 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17416 times:

Flew through IAD last Thursday night, 2 767s there, one had two coach busses next to the airstairs.

User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1182 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17111 times:

I'm not surprised a certain three letter government agency uses IAD now-a-days. From what I've been told, they used to use Leesburg Executive back in the day, but I can understand how IAD might fit their needs a little better, especially if they're chartering 767s. It may not be as cynical as everyone thinks........but it probably is.


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User currently offlineHonza From Czech Republic, joined May 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14154 times:

They fly very often, maybe daily from US via Europe to "somewhere", and back. On Saturday there was N768VA from Bucharest to Copenhagen and then I guess IAD. They don't use BTS anymore for refuellnig as there was too much of interest from local journalists..

25 trigged : Former Air Force/Navy pilots with the requisite clearances. They will only ask for destination, number of passengers for weight purposes, and time of
26 VC10er : Gosh, the more I read the more curious i get! Yesterday I flew into IAD on UA923 from London. There were 3 of them. The engine chrome rings (cowels?)
27 Post contains links CPH-R : Speaking of the Vision Air pilots, they filed a lawsuit against the company for withholding Danger Pay. A bit of info regarding what sort of missions
28 rfields5421 : The registration marks are perfectly legal. They are a contrasting color and the correct size. Located above the curve of the aft fuselage, they are h
29 alphaomega : As it has been stated previously, move along....nothing to see here....thanks for visiting. They previously flew to Bratislavia as a fuel stop but ch
30 PHLwok : Unless my eyes were deceiving me, there were 3 there when I flew in early morning.
31 Viscount724 : Those must be the oldest 767s still flying.
32 F9Animal : Wow, that is complete crap! Shame on Vision for not paying Danger Pay! Shame on them!
33 atomsareenough : Or more like, you may find out more than you really want to know. HAH, brilliant! Government rentals, I guess. I sure wouldn't want to be one of the
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