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What Happened To AAs 757 Domestic Retrofit  
User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 412 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7769 times:

I have done a search actually several and regarding the 757 domestic retrofit all I found was a roughly 2 year old thread discussing how the fleet was going to begin renovation 2 falls ago and this question was thrown around several times within the discussion of the new 757 transatlantic interior so I figured I would begin a dedicated thread.

I beleive that there is one aircraft in the system that has been renovated with what is equal to that of the new 737 interior until the sky interior comes along. AA also said in the statment that the aircraft would also come with 24 instead of 22 seats.

So my question is where does the new domestic 757 interior stand at the moment? Thankyou vey much for your statements and patience.

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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7738 times:

18 757s have the new interior with Next Generation Business Class.

One 757 has the new interior with a domestic First class.

Right now AA is working on 738 interior retrofits and will then get back to wok on 757 retrofits.



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User currently offlineMacsog6 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7573 times:
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Quoting mah4546 (Reply 1):
will then get back to wok on 757 retrofits

Any idea of when the domestic 757's will be done in terms of dates? I fly a great deal on AA 757's and that F interior is really getting old and uncomfortable.



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User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7502 times:

Hopeffully those 737-800 retrofits will be done quickly because it seems that the 757 cabin is in much more of a state of disrepair and needs some major tender love and care very soon.

User currently offlinemd94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7489 times:

I am sitting on one right now. Wow, I walked on board and had a flashback to the 1980s with this first class interior. This must be an old TWA bird. I hope they get them done soon because this is almost embarrassing.


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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3768 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 7405 times:

Quoting md94 (Reply 4):
I am sitting on one right now. Wow, I walked on board and had a flashback to the 1980s with this first class interior. This must be an old TWA bird. I hope they get them done soon because this is almost embarrassing.

No it's not. AA got rid of all of the ex-TW 757s a few years ago. That's a native AA aircraft.

Quoting Aeroflot001 (Thread starter):
I have done a search actually several and regarding the 757 domestic retrofit all I found was a roughly 2 year old thread discussing how the fleet was going to begin renovation 2 falls ago and this question was thrown around several times within the discussion of the new 757 transatlantic interior so I figured I would begin a dedicated thread.

To clarify - there are two separate overhauls. The first one was the conversion of 15 or so into the 75L configuration for international flights. I believe this program is complete. The second overhaul is for all of the non-L 757s - upgrading both the F seats to the seats that the new 738Ds have as well as upgraded Y seats. I believe only one or two aircraft have completed this overhaul.



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User currently offlineDLD9S From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 7343 times:

Having flown on an overhauled AA 757, you are not missing anything. The cabin looks more late 90s instead of late 80s, but it feels more cramped. The emergency exit row is horrible. I was very disappointed.


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User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 7089 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 5):
To clarify - there are two separate overhauls. The first one was the conversion of 15 or so into the 75L configuration for international flights. I believe this program is complete. The second overhaul is for all of the non-L 757s - upgrading both the F seats to the seats that the new 738Ds have as well as upgraded Y seats. I believe only one or two aircraft have completed this overhaul.

yes there were 2 separate overhauls however the domestic overhaul was supposed to occur before the International overhaul as well as the arrival of the new 737s. What I find to be quite puzzling is that the 737s which already have cabins which are much newer than the standard 757 cabin are getting the renewal before the 757.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 7019 times:

Quoting Aeroflot001 (Reply 7):

yes there were 2 separate overhauls however the domestic overhaul was supposed to occur before the International overhaul as well as the arrival of the new 737s. What I find to be quite puzzling is that the 737s which already have cabins which are much newer than the standard 757 cabin are getting the renewal before the 757.

From an efficiency standpoint, this makes more sense. It is to get all 738s to the new 160-seat configuration so they can be intermixed quickly.



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3996 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 6818 times:
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Quoting DLD9S (Reply 6):
The emergency exit row is horrible. I was very disappointed.

If you have a window seat Row 10, then you have all the space in front of you to stretch your legs because there are only 4 seats on Row 9, the first row in Y cabin.

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User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 6706 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
From an efficiency standpoint, this makes more sense. It is to get all 738s to the new 160-seat configuration so they can be intermixed quickly.

Yea I get what you mean. They want to get all the 737 interiors up to par. Wonder how long that will take though?


User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6375 times:

Quoting Aeroflot001 (Reply 10):
Yea I get what you mean. They want to get all the 737 interiors up to par. Wonder how long that will take though?

Some weeks ago only one had been retrofitted. Ship 3AW, reg N921AN. So there's 75 left.  


User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

The 757 domestic retrofit will begin full swing sometime in May or June, with an expected completion in 2014. AA said there were two factors that delayed the program recently: 1) manpower and 2) space. While money delayed the initial refurb scheduled several years ago, this time it was a matter of juggling manpower and space with other projects. While the domestic program was scheduled to begin before the international retrofit, the international reconfig was completed as planned -- it was never scheduled to be completed after the domestic program. There are now 18 75Ls, the so-called international a/c. This leaves 105 domestic birds, one of which has been reconfigured/refurbed.

The 738 retrofit was given priority over the 75D because of the different interior/configuration on the new 738s vs. the old. The new bird has 160 seats, requiring four flight attendants, where the original 738s have 148 seats, requiring only three flight attendants. Because of this, AA has isolated the new 738s to ORD, which greatly impacts their efficiency. Standardizing the fleet ASAP will save AA a significant amount of money. FYI, not only will the original 738s get the additional 12 seats, it will get all new seats and new digital IFE. Once the fleet is standardized, it will be difficult to tell which a/c were original, and which ones are new (look for eyebrow windows to tell old and new). Also, the 738s are getting Gogo installed as they're retrofitted. The new 738s will get Gogo sometime in the future. FYI, two of the original 738s have already been retrofitted.

While the 75D refurb has been a long time in the making, it will finally happen, albeit at a snails pace, starting in the next two months. All I can say is... finally.



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User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6150 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 12):
The 757 domestic retrofit will begin full swing sometime in May or June, with an expected completion in 2014. AA said there were two factors that delayed the program recently: 1) manpower and 2) space. While money delayed the initial refurb scheduled several years ago, this time it was a matter of juggling manpower and space with other projects. While the domestic program was scheduled to begin before the international retrofit, the international reconfig was completed as planned -- it was never scheduled to be completed after the domestic program. There are now 18 75Ls, the so-called international a/c. This leaves 105 domestic birds, one of which has been reconfigured/refurbed.

The 738 retrofit was given priority over the 75D because of the different interior/configuration on the new 738s vs. the old. The new bird has 160 seats, requiring four flight attendants, where the original 738s have 148 seats, requiring only three flight attendants. Because of this, AA has isolated the new 738s to ORD, which greatly impacts their efficiency. Standardizing the fleet ASAP will save AA a significant amount of money. FYI, not only will the original 738s get the additional 12 seats, it will get all new seats and new digital IFE. Once the fleet is standardized, it will be difficult to tell which a/c were original, and which ones are new (look for eyebrow windows to tell old and new). Also, the 738s are getting Gogo installed as they're retrofitted. The new 738s will get Gogo sometime in the future. FYI, two of the original 738s have already been retrofitted.

While the 75D refurb has been a long time in the making, it will finally happen, albeit at a snails pace, starting in the next two months. All I can say is... finally.

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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6103 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 12):
The 738 retrofit was given priority over the 75D because of the different interior/configuration on the new 738s vs. the old. The new bird has 160 seats, requiring four flight attendants, where the original 738s have 148 seats, requiring only three flight attendants. Because of this, AA has isolated the new 738s to ORD, which greatly impacts their efficiency.

Does AA realize that despite the different configurations of the 738, the 75Ds are falling apart and need TLC way ahead of 1999-2002 build 738s?!?!



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 14):
Does AA realize that despite the different configurations of the 738, the 75Ds are falling apart and need TLC way ahead of 1999-2002 build 738s?!?!

Don't you realize while simple economics demands that the 738s go into a single configuration ASAP for fleet interchangeability? AA isn't losing customers because of the 757 interiors, as much as we might be picky, we represent less than 1% of fliers.



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6009 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 15):
Don't you realize while simple economics demands that the 738s go into a single configuration ASAP for fleet interchangeability?

I realize AA is extremely strict with maintaining seating configurations (they don't like variation) of their aircraft but the overhaul on the 757s has been pushed back for several years now almost to the point of being pathetic. Technically the 738 seats are in pretty good shape as well so is AA getting rid of perfectly good seats on these a/c?

And the other question is how fast are they going to be reconfiguring the 738s? Will it take them to 2013? That's 77 aircraft right there.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 15):
AA isn't losing customers because of the 757 interiors,

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Even though we're all aviation snobs on this forum I'm pretty sure to the everyday eye this is a sad sight.



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User currently offlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 607 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5910 times:
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Does anybody have a photo of the one AA 757 in service with the updated interior product?

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Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5831 times:

Quoting md94 (Reply 4):
I am sitting on one right now. Wow, I walked on board and had a flashback to the 1980s with this first class interior.

Are you talking about the silver-colored leather seats? Are those really from the 1980s?


User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5697 times:

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 17):
Does anybody have a photo of the one AA 757 in service with the updated interior product?

Unfortunately it seems that there isn't one however seeing as the interior is supposed to be that of the new 737s here a video of the new interior made by American Airlines themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ihFbT9CGo


User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 12):
The 757 domestic retrofit will begin full swing sometime in May or June, with an expected completion in 2014. AA said there were two factors that delayed the program recently: 1) manpower and 2) space. While money delayed the initial refurb scheduled several years ago, this time it was a matter of juggling manpower and space with other projects. While the domestic program was scheduled to begin before the international retrofit, the international reconfig was completed as planned -- it was never scheduled to be completed after the domestic program. There are now 18 75Ls, the so-called international a/c. This leaves 105 domestic birds, one of which has been reconfigured/refurbed.

The 738 retrofit was given priority over the 75D because of the different interior/configuration on the new 738s vs. the old. The new bird has 160 seats, requiring four flight attendants, where the original 738s have 148 seats, requiring only three flight attendants. Because of this, AA has isolated the new 738s to ORD, which greatly impacts their efficiency. Standardizing the fleet ASAP will save AA a significant amount of money. FYI, not only will the original 738s get the additional 12 seats, it will get all new seats and new digital IFE. Once the fleet is standardized, it will be difficult to tell which a/c were original, and which ones are new (look for eyebrow windows to tell old and new). Also, the 738s are getting Gogo installed as they're retrofitted. The new 738s will get Gogo sometime in the future. FYI, two of the original 738s have already been retrofitted.

While the 75D refurb has been a long time in the making, it will finally happen, albeit at a snails pace, starting in the next two months. All I can say is... finally.

      This is great news, I just hope it really happens! I wonder if they will use the seats they are removing from the 738's?


User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 673 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5608 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 16):

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Even though we're all aviation snobs on this forum I'm pretty sure to the everyday eye this is a sad sight.

It looks like they took a bunch of seats from an old Buick LeSabre and put them into First Class!
 


User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5485 times:

Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 20):
This is great news, I just hope it really happens! I wonder if they will use the seats they are removing from the 738's?

No not at all the current seats on some of the 738s are showing some serious disrepair. The new 737 seat will be going in the 757s


User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5472 times:

Quoting Aeroflot001 (Reply 22):
No not at all the current seats on some of the 738s are showing some serious disrepair. The new 737 seat will be going in the 757s

Which is interesting, considering it's much newer than the 757 seats, it clearly shows the urgency for this project, I really hope it's a go for this summer!!!!


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5463 times:

Quoting Aeroflot001 (Reply 22):
No not at all the current seats on some of the 738s are showing some serious disrepair. The new 737 seat will be going in the 757s

The old 738 Y seats are the same model as those on the MD-80s (except the ex-TWA aircraft) and 777s and are made by Recaro. The new 738/752 Y seats, on the other hand, are made by Weber.



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25 Aeroflot001 : Exactly right! Although I thought that all of AAs seats were made by Recaro.
26 TSS : And they're quite comfy, much more so than the ones currently on the 757s, although they're definitely showing their age. I look forward to giving th
27 1337Delta764 : Nope, both the newest Y and domestic F seats are made by Weber, who also made the old 757 Y and domestic F seats, as well as the 767 Y seats. The cur
28 777STL : They look worse than they actually are. I find them to be quite comfortable actually as they seem to be wider than the MD80 F seats. I suspect many h
29 Aeroflot001 : Having flown on an overhauled AA 757, and you are not missing anything. The cabin looks more late 90s instead of late 80s, but it feels more cramped.
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