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User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

I couldn't find anything in the search which answered my question, nor any other pictures other than the one which sparked my interest. So, I figured I'd ask the wonderful A.net experts and have my answer in a lot less time than it would take me to poke around on the internet (and probably end up empty-handed).

My question is: what exactly did they do with the windows? I noticed in this picture that there appears to be some type of cover over two windows and according to the comment, has some type of mood lighting.

My apologies if this topic has been addressed elsewhere, and thanks in advance for any information!


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User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3741 times:

This is very much BBJ like. Instead of having two or three windows to individually close, they've framed them in and made the space feel much bigger. Additionally, they'll probably have an electric shade that covers the entire frame much like what you would find in a Gulfstream or BBJ. I have seen a Gulfstream that was in MX because a shade fell off its track, had to take apart the whole assembly.

Very very very nice touch by BA. Instantly makes the space feel much larger. Way to work with what space they have.



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User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Visual:


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In the second picture, you can see what the blinds look like. The black hue around BAs frame makes it appear even larger.


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Hope that helps.



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

I agree, it looks outstanding. It's a very classy touch to go with a very classy cabin. I was just curious as to its features, how it was fitted, and maybe if there are other carriers out there using the same idea or plans to do so?


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User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

Quoting ua777222 (Reply 2):
Hope that helps.

Absolutely! It's interesting to see BA use something from BBJs. Thanks for the help!



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User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 4):
Absolutely! It's interesting to see BA use something from BBJs. Thanks for the help!

The style itself isn't BBJ-specific, but is where you can see it widely used.

Airbus' CJs do the same:


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Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 3):
I was just curious as to its features, how it was fitted, and maybe if there are other carriers out there using the same idea or plans to do so?

So we've figured out how its designed, here is a picture from BA where you can clearly see a control unit just to the lower left of the space lighting. I would almost bet 100% that a control button for the window shade can be found here to raise and lower the shade.



SQ, EK, and the likes would be the first place to check if you ask me and judging from what I could find on their product offerings for some of their newest aircraft (A380, 77W, etc), it does not appear that anyone has gone with this concept.

BA has made a clear commitment to offering this in their F product. Redoing the cabin must have taken a good amount of time as you add a whole set of layers to the side paneling which integrates into the overhead and reduces the width of the cabin a few inches. Seats may come and go, but I would venture out there and say this feature will become a benchmark for other F products to follow.



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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3977 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

Quoting ua777222 (Reply 5):
, it does not appear that anyone has gone with this concept.

The MH B744s have electric window blinds in First Class, but ordinary windows.


User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 6):
The MH B744s have electric window blinds in First Class, but ordinary windows.

Winner winner chicken dinner.


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They've been doing this since 2005. IMHO, this is a much better look than what BA has doing, but that's just because I think the framing looks a little more added on than these do. Like the Gulfstreams, these are shades within an entire window. However, for structural integrity, I get that windows need to be limited in size.

The only drawback I see to BAs layout is that they went with the open suites. Windows like these would be best suited in an EK or SQ suite that is enclosed. Having one person have complete access to two-to-three windows (as in all up or all down, no inbetween) will affect the atmosphere of the cabin.

EKs suite doors have retractable shades as well, not on their windows though (3 per-F suite).



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 6):
The MH B744s have electric window blinds in First Class, but ordinary windows.

That's pretty nifty. Have any other airlines caught on to that idea or is it sort of a novelty? Obviously what BA has done is quite different...a bit space-agey, but still very classy.

Quoting ua777222 (Reply 7):
Windows like these would be best suited in an EK or SQ suite that is enclosed.

I very much agree. While it still looks great, it is better served in a suite setup which is enclosed, as you said. With all of the fancy amenities on SQ and EK's 380s, I'm surprised something like this wasn't fitted. Although according to the picutre comments the frames have some type of mood lighting...perhaps it is better off in an open cabin design than an enclosed suite? Someone with better knowledge of these windows than me will hopefully clarify as to what features it does offer and if it has worked out well thus far for BA -- or if it would be better in EK or SQ.



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