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Australian Aviation Thread 36  
User currently offlineDJMEL From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 140 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 38757 times:

As Australian Aviation Thread 35, has reached over 200 replies, its time to start a new thread:-

In Thread 35 we discussed:

* EK replaces all Airbus flights to Australia with 777 (except A380 SYD service).
* DJ to fly to AYQ from 1st August using E190
* UA to operate 2nd Seasonal Service from 01 DEC 10
* DL 16 SYD/LAX/ATL to change to SYD/LAX/JFK from 01 JUN 10 and change of a/c in LAX from 777 to 757
* NTL may become international airport
* QFLink to fly CNS/POM with Q400
* VA commenced MEL/JNB/MEL and announced increase to 3 times a week and re-adjust MEL/LAX dep to 2130.
* Intl Flight increases into CNS
* Air North plane crash at DRW
* TT dumps Shelley Roberts and replaces her with Crawford Rix
* EY possible schedule changes and poss adding PER to the network
* PacificFlier commence services to and from BNE
* QF 747-400 / 380-800 engineering issues on dep and arr in SYD
* MEL goes CAT 3 ILS
* DJ requests Australia / Cook Island direct services
* TT announce AVV as third base
* QF change SYD/NRT to 747-400
* VA 777 goes tech in HKT
* DJ introduces Mobile check-in
* VA cancels 2 777-300ER orders
* Aerocare new uniform
* Volcanic Ash Disruptions

So please sit back, relax as we depart on Australian Aviation Thread 36..........

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User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 38624 times:

Can anybody explain the difference (specifically 763 fleet) between Millenium and Dreamtime J class seats

Thanks


User currently offlineAusA380 From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 38431 times:

I had heard a comment on a DJ flight that perhaps this quarter the VA may change their SYD - LAX flight time for a morning arrival to allow better connections eastwards in the USA. This would be a good thing - any supporting information out in A.Net community?

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5193 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 38265 times:

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 2):
I had heard a comment on a DJ flight that perhaps this quarter the VA may change their SYD - LAX flight time for a morning arrival to allow better connections eastwards in the USA. T

Can't see it happening - means they would need to drop NAN.


User currently offlineQF744 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 38089 times:

Does anyone know if DJ's new B738s will have the new logo on the tail like the EMB fleet?


IT'S ALL ABOUT THE UPPER DECK
User currently offlineskyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 37924 times:

This might have already been covered but I can't find reference to it anywhere.

Qantas put on an extra LHR flight from Sydney last Saturday night, which my partner was lucky enough to go on, or so we thought.

There was only one other person seated in the upstairs Business Class and I believe that downstairs was not too busy either. I thought that perhaps the flight went out relatively empty in order to collect stranded passengers in Singapore but this was not the case either.

Surely the backlog of passengers has not been cleared already, I thought that it was going to take weeks??


User currently offlinebrad330 From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 37875 times:

Tiger Airways announces Cairns service

BREAKING NEWS: Low cost Asian airline Tiger Airways is to begin daily services between Cairns and Melbourne from $98 one way.
The late night/early morning flights are due to start in September subject to regulatory approval.
Using Airbus A320 aircraft with 180 seats, the airline has the capacity to bring more than 2500 people a week to Cairns.
It is the fourth major airline to operate on the domestic network to Cairns and the airline says it could be the beginning of more flights from other destinations.
The flights will leave Melbourne at 9pm and arrive at 12.25am and return at 12.55am to touch down in Melbourne at 4.20am.
The industry welcomed the flights, providing more seats and more competition.

http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2010/04/27/107271_local-news.html


User currently offlineRobMEL From Australia, joined Feb 2010, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 37809 times:

At least...one won't get stuck in traffic on the Tullamrine to/from MEL lol.

Interstingly timed flights; it's one way to make use of the lack of curfew MEL. Does 0420 make it a late night or early morning arrival? The current domestic arrivals seem to be a 0130 JQ ex DRW, and a 0530 DJ ex PER.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5193 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 37796 times:

Quoting brad330 (Reply 6):
The flights will leave Melbourne at 9pm and arrive at 12.25am and return at 12.55am to touch down in Melbourne at 4.20am.
The industry welcomed the flig

Ouch! Nice utilisation, but what a red eye!


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4824 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 37631 times:

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 1):
Can anybody explain the difference (specifically 763 fleet) between Millenium and Dreamtime J class seats

One set is configured 2-2-2 and the other is 1-2-2. So the difference is the seat width primarily.



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 37431 times:

Quoting RobMEL (Reply 7):
Does 0420 make it a late night or early morning arrival? The current domestic arrivals seem to be a 0130 JQ ex DRW, and a 0530 DJ ex PER.

I'd consider this early morning...

my view is that the schedule should be pushed out by say 45 mins.
MEL 2145 appropriate departure time
CNS 105 no real difference to arrive just after midnight
CNS 135 need to be at the airport at 2330 for check in, so dinner, pack and off to airport
MEL 0505 better chance of getting early check in by say 8am. or at least avoid peak hour traffic at airport after 7am


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 37399 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 9):
One set is configured 2-2-2 and the other is 1-2-2. So the difference is the seat width primarily.

Also the dreamtime seats are fitted with loop based PTVs aren't they?


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 37342 times:

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 2):
I had heard a comment on a DJ flight that perhaps this quarter the VA may change their SYD - LAX flight time for a morning arrival to allow better connections eastwards in the USA. This would be a good thing - any supporting information out in A.Net community?

If VA and DL go forward with their Joint Service Agreement, I think they would both codeshare on each others SYD-LAX service, so the DL flight would be the VA morning arrival into LAX.

Quoting ANstar (Reply 8):
Quoting brad330 (Reply 6):
The flights will leave Melbourne at 9pm and arrive at 12.25am and return at 12.55am to touch down in Melbourne at 4.20am.
The industry welcomed the flig

Ouch! Nice utilisation, but what a red eye!

I know Tiger are not in the business of doing connections, but in some markets they do sell Combo fares. I wonder if any one from Hobart would use these new MEL-CNS flights, since the timings would work for connections in each direction. So long as the person does not fall asleep after arriving at 0425 and miss the flight to HBA. Tiger is not the most sympathetic airline in the world for people who miss boarding because they were asleep.


User currently offlineditzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 718 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 37142 times:

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 1):
Can anybody explain the difference (specifically 763 fleet) between Millenium and Dreamtime J class seats
Dreamtime


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  • 1-2-2 layout, international configuration.
  • Pitch 48" to 50"
  • Loop-based PTV
  • Snake-type reading light (in addition to overhead reading light)
  • Seat operation is electric
Millennium


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  • 2-2-2 layout, domestic configuration.
  • Pitch 36" to 38"
  • Seat operation is pneumatic
  • No different to look at than the 738 and 332 (EBJ) Millennium seats (738 seats are wider).
  • Snake-type reading light (in addition to overhead reading light) on VH-ZXx series only. Picture below (in old seat fabric).

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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 36986 times:

Can somebody tell me when XR's first 320 is due to start operating scheduled services and where they will be flying?

User currently offlinepilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 36875 times:

Air North has announced a new service.

Darwin-Broome-Port Hedland-Karratha and Karratha-Port Hedland-Broome-Darwin

http://www.pilbaraecho.com.au/echo/content/view/1706/63/

Also Cobham will start using the RJ100 from the end of the month PER-KTA-PER

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...n-launches-avro-rj100-shuttle.html

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 14):
where they will be flying?

From what I've heard so far it will be Cloudbreak Mine and Karratha for Citec Pacific Mining.

Eventually PER-DPS will be offered according to rumors as well.



Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3183 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 36870 times:

Some big changes with the restructuring of Japan Airlines. http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...retire-planes-faster-update2-.html

Narita (NRT)
San Francisco (SFO) [7 weekly]: transfer to Haneda, to be confirmed.
Sao Paulo (GRU) [2 weekly]: suspend from September 30 2010, withdrawal from Sao Paulo
Amsterdam (AMS) [7 weekly]: suspend from September 30 2010, withdrawal from AMS
Milan (MXP) [4 weekly]: suspend from September 30 2010, withdrawal from MXP
Rome (FCO) [3 weekly]: suspend from October 1 2010, withdrawal from FCO
Brisbane (BNE) [7 weekly]: ex-NRT suspend from September 30 2010, ex-BNE from October 1 2010, withdrawal from BNE
Denpasar (DPS) [7 weekly]: suspend from October 1 2010, withdrawal from DPS
Kona (KOA) [7 weekly]: suspend from October 1 2010, withdrawal from KOA



Why fly non stop when you can connect
User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 36426 times:

Quoting BNE" class="quote" target="_blank">BNE (Reply 16):
Brisbane (BNE) [7 weekly]: ex-NRT suspend from September 30 2010, ex-BNE from October 1 2010, withdrawal from BNE

Long expected, but in this article they state that they will plan on returning to Brisbane with 787's once they have restructured themselves

http://australianaviation.com.au/jal-confirms-brisbane-services-cut/


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 36349 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 17):
Long expected, but in this article they state that they will plan on returning to Brisbane with 787's once they have restructured themselves

JAL have a long way to go go before they will be able to grow again. Consolidating its services it will keep will be important and unfortunately BNE would not be at the top of the list to restart once they do get back on their feet. The Australian market in general to Japan is not a high yielding one and with BNE being a majority leisure destination, yield pressure is a constant issue for profitability. I see codesharing as their way forward on many of these routes.

All airlines like to maske such announcements with a touch of optimism, however, I wouldn't read into it too much at the moment as they have major issues to overcome first.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8553 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 36323 times:
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Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 18):
JAL have a long way to go go before they will be able to grow again. ... unfortunately BNE would not be at the top of the list to restart once they do get back on their feet.....All airlines like to maske such announcements with a touch of optimism

Agree completely . I can think of a number of airlines and routes dropped over the years all of which have characterised their withdrawals as "suspensions' and all stating the intention to 'return when the time is right' ... but somehow the time just never seems to be right . I would not hold my breath waiting for JL metal back in BNE .



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 36237 times:

JAL seem to be keeping SYD online so I think that will be their Australian focus for the time being. Its not all bad news for JAL Down Under  

There are so many more options these days to get to Japan via Asia hubs than there were even 10 years ago , but the loss of non-stop service is disapointing for any airport.

Hopefully next time its a HND service instead of NRT.


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 36121 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 20):
There are so many more options these days to get to Japan via Asia hubs than there were even 10 years ago , but the loss of non-stop service is disapointing for any airport.

That is taking us back to the 1980s, when people were complaining how hard it was to find a seat to Tokyo. At the start of the 80s Qantas was operating two 747 Combi flights a week SYD-NRT, and they complained they were losing money on those flights. The excitement when the third weekly flight was announced, and it was to go through BNE. It was round about 1984 that the Japanese Government really started to encourage Japanese people to take an overseas holiday, and suddenly Qantas was flying to Nagoya, Fukuoka, and there was a big charter program flying 767s into other Japanese cities.

But people who wanted to go to Japan complained that they had to take indirect routes (perhaps to get a better fare), so it was common to fly Garuda or Thai from Australia to Japan.


Just about all the flying that JAL is dropping, I think we will expect JAL to codeshare, even outside their alliance. So if people from BNE want to fly JAL to AMS, they will be carried by Jetstar and KLM, even though ticketed by JAL.

Does anyone have photos of the Qantas 743s that were painted in JAL colours and operated by Qantas on behalf of JAL in the early 90s - JAL with RR engines?


User currently offlinevhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 36023 times:
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Quoting alangirvan (Reply 21):
Does anyone have photos of the Qantas 743s that were painted in JAL colours and operated by Qantas on behalf of JAL in the early 90s - JAL with RR engines?

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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 35993 times:

Quoting skyhigh (Reply 5):
This might have already been covered but I can't find reference to it anywhere.

Qantas put on an extra LHR flight from Sydney last Saturday night, which my partner was lucky enough to go on, or so we thought.

There was only one other person seated in the upstairs Business Class and I believe that downstairs was not too busy either. I thought that perhaps the flight went out relatively empty in order to collect stranded passengers in Singapore but this was not the case either.

Surely the backlog of passengers has not been cleared already, I thought that it was going to take weeks??

Yes you are correct, there was an aditional service. But the Airline is only putting on the pax it can contact. They are trying their phone numbers, if no answer or if a voice mail, they are proceeding onto the next pax. There is still a backlock of Pax in Australia, but however, there is no backlog of pax out of Europe (most decided to find alternate means to come home, usually with other carriers or cruise across the atlantic to the USA and fly out there at their own expence). So basically QF isn't going to put on an extra flight (espeically out of slot constrained LHR) when there will be very few people on the return. Even if it was to open up the return to the general public for purchase, they won't get enough seats sold on it for its justification



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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 35671 times:

a bit tight, no?   (JQ156, QF670)

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5217/qf670jq1561.png

(screenshot from webtrak: http://www331.webtrak-lochard.com/webtrak/mel3 approx 7:40-7:45am)


25 FlyboyOz : I recall there's a video clip from youtube that shows hybirds QF and JL 743 in Japan.
26 QF175 : - Looks like Pacific Blue is quietly dropping its 737-800 Adelaide-Nadi services this weekend - Australia-Phuket figures for January 2010 Brisbane to
27 miami1 : Does anybody know what the loads are like on the VAustralia flights Melbourne to Joberg? Anybody going to do a trip report?
28 ZuluAlpha : Maybe when QF gets a couple more 332 we might see it, here is hoping with a fellow Brisvegas person. Even BNE SYD PER same plane would be good. Can s
29 TN486 : Not really, bring it into zoom level 4, 5 or 6 and it will give you a very realistic picture of the movements. I was out there this morning from 0500
30 ANstar : It would be nice, but given they only have one more "firm" aircraft to arrive i can see it happening just yet. The next aircraft will increase MEL-JN
31 trent1000 : QF online timetable still shows BNE/NRT/BNE QF389/390 operated as JL codehshare with JL metal into October, 2010. Any news if this route will continu
32 TruemanQLD : I wouldnt think the connection to CNS, I could imagine it would be taking some of the market from the OOL flights. Would be nice to see QF A332 fligh
33 Singapore 777 : QF are only going to get one more A332 apparently, which is VH-EBO to be delivered in November with the next-gen domestic cabin product (similar to V
34 thegeek : Are they going to leave VH-EBK with a unique config then? It was worth it for EBO not to go straight to JQ?
35 ditzyboy : The refurbish was new seat covers and bulkhead laminates, new/additional IFE screens and 'domestic' galleys. This is completed to a varying degree ac
36 Ben175 : About time they upgraded PER-NRT and SYD-HNL! Those flights are unbearable on the 763 and completely overpriced for what product you get.
37 ditzyboy : I think EBK will go to JQ once QF has enough 332s.
38 ABpositive : On Sunday morning (02/05) around 7am I saw a Virgin Atlantic landing at MEL. What was the reason for this? I thought they code share with SQ to Melbou
39 Post contains links Aussie_ : Virgin Blue and Air NZ have released details of their proposed trans-tasman alliance. It looks quite substantial. Details on the ASX website at: http:
40 jetfuel : Summary The proposed agreement will have four key components: 1. A broad free-sale code share arrangement covering: All Tasman sectors currently oper
41 Singapore 777 : Did you mean EBJ? EBK is already with JQ, and has been for some time. At the moment, EBJ is the odd-ball domestic config (although it has nearly the
42 ZK-NBT : Fog in SYD I believe. Schedules don't get updated straight away. I'd probably say either JQ or QF will add BNE-NRT though JQ have OOL-NRT already. In
43 DJ748 : Not very likely to happen - when JL first dropped their KIX-BNE (it continued to SYD before heading back to KIX), JQ picked up the route, but loads w
44 ZuluAlpha : Correct. If you go to QF.com and ask for BNE NRT 30 Sep you will still find it. Go to 01 Oct you will not find it.
45 ZuluAlpha : On a separate issue, we've been talking about the QF JQ 332's. Do we have an idea of delivery schedule for the 380's? I know on a different post it ga
46 thegeek : What I get for looking at qantas.com.
47 Singapore 777 : The qantas.com seatmaps are usually quite updated, but when I had a look at the seatmaps for the 38J 265Y version of the A332, I still see VH-EBK on
48 ditzyboy : I think that rumour stemmed from information that the ex-BA 767s were to get Panasonic IFE, similar to that of the 380. As I mentioned, the ex-BA 767
49 Singapore 777 : Hi ditzyboy, Yep... indeed they were... however that is the same IFE system the rest of the domestic B767s got as well, along with the new bulkheads
50 thegeek : What are QF going to do with their 7 international config 763s until the 787s come, once the A332s start doing the MNL and PER-HKG runs? Put them on t
51 ditzyboy : While the screens are the same or similar, the original Qantas 763 all still contain the tape-based MAS system, which is the same they have had for a
52 ZuluAlpha : I hope so, I will be flying BNE PER in Jun and the config indicates that it is an ex BA 767. So that will be good on two fronts. The second, I have y
53 Singapore 777 : Hi ZuluAlpha No individual PTVs on the ex-BA 767s I'm afraid... it's just the flat panel LCDs along the aisle (which are of very decent quality I mus
54 ZuluAlpha : Hello Singapore 777 I did think about going via SYD, but yeah it is a pain in the bum, I will be flying on QF651 it departs at a nice time, it arrive
55 sunrisevalley : I was told that QF made a recent appointment of a Manager or General Manager of the Wide Body fleet. Does any one know the details of the job?
56 28L28L : Anyone have any information on how to reach the Qflyer site? Seems to be inaccessible again. Cheers
57 thegeek : Landing in BNE Tuesday morning, I saw I think 5 aircraft waiting to take off with a 6th on the taxiway not far from the queue. Is BNE going to become
58 Post contains links jetfuel : http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/07/2893707.htm?site=news A United spokeswoman would not confirm media reports that the Boeing 747-400 clipp
59 ZuluAlpha : I remember last flight I took, returning to BNE, from SYD, the captian quite sarcasticly commented on the ammount of separation that exists in BNE. A
60 ZuluAlpha : Not confirming (ie not denying) = yes it did ?
61 747m8te : One flight crew said to me the other day they couldn't leave early because of their departure slot...??? errrr BNE isn't slot restricted...and the fl
62 ANstar : They still have a slot filed for ATC etc. Perhaps there were no free slots to leave earlier because other aircraft had used them.
63 Post contains links jetfuel : Pics of the UA 744 are available here http://www.yssyforum.net/board/showthread.php?t=5355 Can't understand why the press isn't all over this. A/c is
64 smi0006 : Whilst on the topic of UA, once the merger has been bedded down are we likely to see any extra service down to Australia? Do CO have any aircraft curr
65 alangirvan : CO has 777s in the fleet, and those aircraft do some very long sectors, like Newark to Hong Kong, Newark to Delhi and Mumbai. These aircraft are -200E
66 jetfuel : CO operate into CNS too. Be nice to see some CNS-LAX
67 smi0006 : Ahhh K thanks for the info makes much more sense now!
68 TruemanQLD : Hey, I was just wondering with the RAAF's purchase of the KC-30A, which, according to a brochure I got, will all be assembled for passengers. Is this
69 ZuluAlpha : I think I remember the old 707 based eqp the RAAF had, was designed as a 'quick change' to go from troop transport to tanker and back and back again.
70 smi0006 : Hey guys, herd an interesting rumour tonight that; TK is about to announce MEL services starting in September. Could there be any truth this rumour, a
71 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : Wow that would be good to see them here in Oz! Hope the rumour pans out
72 Aussie_ : I know TK are lining up codeshares into Australia ahead of possible future services in their own right. I would be surprised if they started this year
73 smi0006 : I remember reading somewhere that they had their first batch of TK owned 773ER being delivered in early september so who knows but fingers crossed it
74 NZ107 : They've also got rights to NZ so I wonder if that'll pan out - connection between MEL-AKL on TK.. The 77Ws seem the likely choice.
75 ZuluAlpha : Please correct me, as I would like to get the correct information. I had an assumption that Between and New Zealand were open skies? So if you flew t
76 gemuser : ???? Gemuser
77 ZuluAlpha : Sorry Gemuser what I ment to say was between Australia and New Zealand is an open skies, where any airline that serves either country can serve the o
78 kiwiandrew : Sorry but I dont think you have that quite right . In my understanding between Australia and New Zealand is open skies which means that any Australia
79 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : Ahhh okies, my bad kiwiandrew. Thanks for the clarification on it.
80 ABpositive : The open skies agreement allows Australian and New Zealand international airlines to operate across the Tasman and then beyond to third countries wit
81 Post contains links HKGKaiTak : The Pilbara-East Coast market is certainly hotting up. Strategic Aviation has now announced new East Coast services from Port Hedland - initially 1 x
82 Post contains links DJ748 : Looks like Australia has a new route - Brisbane to Guangzhou. CZ has taken advantage of the latest Australia-China agreement and opened up services in
83 Post contains links pugsley : Tiger Airways have announced web check-in http://syd.openskies.navitaireinside.com/checkin/tiger_en.jsp Web Check-in is available 48 to 4 hours before
84 jetfuel : Tiger - think Ryaniar ownership
85 Post contains links PITrules : Apologies if there was a thread on this; I did a search and found nothing. A few weeks old, but still a neat story, and some good press for QF for a c
86 alangirvan : One difference is that Ryanair lets you take 10kg into the cabin, whereas in this part of the world it is 7kg. Since you will be checked in, the dead
87 TN486 : Would I be right in thinking that comment was "tongue in cheek", as I would suspect Alan you would not be the type to "stereotype" a particular group
88 Marara : JQ has had an onboard allowance of 10kgs for at least a few years now.
89 allrite : How new are the Qantas "Gladiator music" (Lisa Gerrard) A380 commercials that I have seen on television lately? I don't watch enough commercial tv to
90 alangirvan : As a serious answer - - some of the discussion above suggests that kiosks are really a gimmick, so maybe Tiger thinks that m.boarding passes are gimm
91 AirbusA322 : Tiger is focusing on ancillary charges as they grow, they have something like 20% of their profits from these charges, which is quite amazing. Anothe
92 Post contains links Sydscott : Further to that, QF is also reportedly looking at MEL-PHE as well. Would not surprise me if that was launched shortly. http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewe
93 NZ107 : Interesting as NZ also looked at these rights from China to Europe but have been in no situation to push forward, presumably waiting for the 787s. I
94 Sydscott : I'm not sure about NZ, but the QF service would be an extension of the JBA between them and British Airways. So it is provides BA with extra capacity
95 DavidByrne : At the time, NZ was trying to choose between SFO, HKG and PVG as the stop-over for a second route to LHR, but HKG won out. IIRC, though, it was still
96 smi0006 : I haven't seen any of theses I must confess to not watching any TV though is there somewhere that they can be viewed online I have searched youtube a
97 aerokiwi : Brand new, I think. I don't think the music really fits the ad, mind you.
98 alangirvan : There are some interesting airline to airline relationships here. China Eastern has recently announce that it will be in SkyTeam - the alliance with
99 Longhornmaniac : Attention Aussies (or anyone else who might know!), What is the IATA (2-letter) airline code for Hinterland Aviation? Thanks! Cheers, Cameron
100 gemuser : Looks like they only operate charters, therefore don't have to have an IATA code. Gemuser
101 zkpilot : Do these QF plans have an impact on the rumoured QF LAX-LHR flights?
102 kiwiandrew : I missed that rumour ... when did that do the rounds ? Do you have any details ?
103 Longhornmaniac : Hmm...perhaps they're still a charter operation, but they have scheduled service to many different places around Far North Queensland. It's possible
104 Post contains images TruemanQLD : Rumours circulating that Pacific Flier is set to move all its BNE flights to OOL. Anyone know anything about this? If its true I would be surprised if
105 Sydscott : There wont be any QF LAX-LHR flights. For a start QF doesn't have any spare LHR slots and BA/AA fly 3 to 4 daily services. So there is no need for th
106 Post contains links QF175 : Correct, effective 14JUN. There's already advertising offering OOL-ROR packages... See the new schedule here - http://www.pacificflier.com/schedule/n
107 tayser : Random questions: How many 767s are required to currently fly MEL-SYD-MEL on Qantas? I counted on Monday that out of total 34 services, 8 of them are
108 TN486 : Hi Tayser, to ensure a calculation was on the money, would you need to take into account all of the current 767 Cityflyer services (e.g SYD-PER, and
109 tayser : go with whatever, I'm actually interested in the discussion it will likely generate!
110 Post contains links gstepho : Gatton in SE Queensland has a development application for a airport for the lockyer valley http://www.qt.com.au/story/2010/05/2...n-airport-applicatio
111 chinaeastern : it seems that Alan only mentioned not to resume PEK flights in short term, there is no mention of MEL-PVG apart from being terrible at the time. MEL-
112 chinaeastern : QF actually seem to work with skyteam members OK. MU and QF partnered with each other in their FFP after MU announced intention to join skyteam. they
113 travelhound : A traffic forecasts report recently stated that in the 2015-20 period many of the major airports are going to face congestion problems if the airline
114 zkpilot : They have been around the past month or so. Not sure how seriously to take them. Reported reason is to offer RTW service, pick up some of the premium
115 thegeek : Thought they were going to use the 788s for that? As for how many, a few years back they had 29 767s, 7 of which were international config. I would e
116 Post contains links QF175 : Canberra-based Brindabella Airlines has announced its intention to commence services from Brisbane to Moree effective 5 July 2010. Services would be o
117 xiaotung : MU actually waited till JL made a decision not to switch to SkyTeam so they thought that the rescue money originally planned for JL could be used to
118 Post contains links TN486 : Agreed, as per current Qantas Group plans for the 788/789. First 15 789 JQ International Ops (from mid 2013) - 15 788 QF domestic (replace "remaining
119 TruemanQLD : Hi, I am just back from a festival where they had fireworks and as the fireworks were going off an aeroplane (most likely a TT A320) came in on approa
120 ANstar : I cant remember the name fo the festival, maybe dewali? but in the UK I remember coming into LHR with all fireworks going off in the surrounding area
121 Post contains links tayser : http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2010/may10/4074 Qantas to Increase A380 Services from Melbourne Adelaide, 31 May 2010 Qantas
122 Sydscott : Wonder if they will be upgraded with the new Panasonic PTV's etc? They'd have to be to ensure consistency of product in the Domestic and trans-tasman
123 TN486 : I note that they are not specific as to when they get the 8th and 9th ac, is it last quarter 2010 or 1st first quarter 2011 or a combination of the t
124 TN486 : Without breaching any confidences, can I suggest there are some operational problems with the site itself, and I believe they are out of the hands of
125 Post contains images BNE : Without breaching any confidences, can I suggest there are some operational problems with the site itself, and I believe they are out of the hands of
126 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : I'm sure the fact that you had to get up at 0500hrs for the flight is definitely worthy for A.net to put it into their photo gallery. Great Job
127 TruemanQLD : Great news for all... interesting to note however that QF marketshare has dropped to 19.4%, does anyone know the figure from say 2000 etc? It would b
128 RyanairGuru : In the above article would Pacific Blue count as an "Australian designated airline"??? I know that their aircraft carry ZK registrations, but they are
129 Post contains links and images TN486 : www.bitre.gov.au/publications/11/Files/0310_M.pdf will give you all the statistics you need for the month of March and comparisons to the same month 2
130 Post contains images gemuser : Another one tripped up! There are TWO Pacific Blue airlines. Pacific Blue (NZ) & Pacific Blue (Australia). The Pacific Blue referred to by BITRE
131 Post contains links pugsley : Jetstar in Air France/KLM deal Jetstar Group has signed its first non-Qantas interline deal after striking what it described as a “landmark” deal
132 eta unknown : Today's Sydney Morning Herald business section is reporting the following rumoured changes to take place at DJ in the next few months: The name: there
133 alangirvan : SYD-NAN is just to boost utilisation of the 77W while it would sit at SYD all day. Is it better for the plane to sit all day at SYD rather than be us
134 PITrules : But not if: A perfect example of why there should be one brand.
135 gardermoen : Makes total sense to consolidate the 3 brands into 1 (hopefully keeping the V Australia logo). Ports like HKT always seemed to me to be "fillers" unti
136 gemuser : Of course it does, to DJ and to us, but what's in it for the Virgin Group and especially SQ (assuming they don't unload their VS stake in the mean ti
137 Sydscott : I would have thought Hong Kong, Tokyo and Shanghai would be on the cards but first DJ needs to buy an A330/787 size plane to fly it rather than the l
138 TN486 : A fair bit of discussion re DJ, profitability, ac types, useage etc. Any thoughts on how the ops of the 170/190 is impacting on all of this?
139 travelhound : From what I have read, it sounds like John B is interested in cleaning up the route network rather than adding to it. My take on it, is he is readyin
140 eta unknown : Personally, I think Brett saw the writing on the wall and decided to pack up his toys and go. The trading environment of DJ now is completely differen
141 thegeek : The part which surprises me about DJ is that they still lack the 739ER in their fleet, and no firm orders for it. Although they do have orders it can
142 ANstar : I dont think so. Brett has not really had his heart in it since about 2006 and has been wanting to leave since his "sabbatical". I think the future f
143 Post contains links jetfuel : Its the end of 2015 and they pay .5% of ALL GROSS SALES, even on board coffee source http://www.virginblue.com.au/cms/gro...ments/internetcontent/u_0
144 gemuser : Not so. The license runs until 2015. See the link from Jetfuel in reply 143. When it expires DJ must stop using the "trade marks" owned by Virgin Ent
145 Post contains links smi0006 : Good news for MEL, CZ will be going daily from MEL to CAN in October this year; http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/N...-daily-from-Melbourne-Airport.h
146 QF175 : China Southern - Guangzhou (effective November 2010) CAN/BNE 21:00L/07:45L+1 CZ381 Mo/We/Sa BNE/CAN 09:15L/16:20L CZ382 Tue/Th/Su Going by the aboveme
147 NZ107 : Interesting.. How about from MEL? Doesn't seem to be a schedule out yet..
148 Post contains links DJ748 : After remembering seeing schedules for CAN-BNE-AKL and AKL-BNE-CAN, a Google search has revealed the following links about the timings. Whether CZ de
149 FlyboyOz : Qantas inflight magazine has a new map and lots of new airlines' tailfin. It looks cool!
150 AirbusA322 : More from Tiger....What next? Sydney/Brisbane?? Keeping big chiefs at JQ hanging are they.. AVV-PER (S,M,W,F) 0605-0710 0740-1405 ADL-AVV-ADL (Daily)
151 Post contains links pugsley : "Jetstar will launch direct daily services between its Singapore hub and Melbourne from December 16 before starting daily services between Singapore a
152 ANstar : Very clever - this will also presumably allow the group to funnel some AKL-SIN-LHR traffic.
153 NZ107 : One article I read stated just that.. Their intention is to shuttle kiwis onto those European flights. Not bad for some who want to bypass a stop in
154 QF175 : Effective 01AUG, Thai Airways will reduce SYD services to 2x daily with A340-600s. The carrier will cancel its nightly BKK/SYD/BNE/BKK service and inc
155 Post contains links TN486 : Well, hope we did, and here is the result: www.qflyer.info Congratulations mate, a lot of A.Netters will appreciate your efforts, Thank you.
156 ABpositive : Does anyone have any info if Bundeburg area is expecting services from another, non-Qantas, operator and time soon?
157 cchan : Hi, I wish to ask if QF has released their Northern winter schedules for international flights. I am looking at MEL-HKG-LHR in November 2010. Last yea
158 Post contains links pugsley : As of November 10, 2010 Tiger flights from Melbourne to Sydney, Alice Springs, Mackay and Rockhampron will operate from Avalon instead of Tullamarine,
159 DJ748 : Easy as pi to check the timetables on their website - until April 2011 would be available to view.
160 cchan : Thanks. Are these reasonably firm or are the flights still subject to (major) changes?
161 IndianicWorld : This is interesting news. The movement of some SYD flights and taking the other 3 destinations from MEL to AVV, really does create some more room to
162 gemuser : All flights by ALL airlines are subject to major changes at any time. The current schedule is what QF intend to operate in November 2010, as of today
163 thegeek : They are subject to change for any or no reason. Even a confirmed ticket is, unless I am mistaken.
164 ZuluAlpha : Hell yes!! Don't be surprised however with the earlier notification of the additional A380 services ex MEL to LAX currently from three going to four,
165 DJ748 : Flights are quite good, but don't count on the aircraft type. I'm onto my fourth flight with QF tomorrow morning on QF501 (BNE-SYD) and for the secon
166 pugsley : You didn't miss it, the press release does not state that the flights to MKY, ROK and ASP are being relocated from MEL to AVV, but they are. If you t
167 AirbusA322 : AVV-OOL is to go twice daily also.
168 DJMEL : Some interesting aircraft seen at MEL tonight a DC8 from NASA pushing off Delta G14 (International Gate) at 1805, not sure what it was doing here and
169 AirbusA322 : SYD-Armidale has popped up on Virgin's search engine.
170 ZuluAlpha : Isn't that NASA commet chasing probe laughed through the Japanese space authority suppose to be or already have crash landed in outback Australia ?
171 Post contains images vhqpa : It seems to have disappeared But I always would have thought DJ would fly to TMW before ARM
172 ZuluAlpha : Hmm, some one loaded it before the offical press release came out ?
173 Post contains images QF175 : I see something different Armidale and Cloudbreak (Skywest-operated) Anyone else notice the minor changes during the booking process, with the introd
174 Post contains links Boof : A few things I've noticed with the new booking system is that there seems to be a heap more GO! fares available on all routes. I wonder if this is so
175 bookishaviator : A bit of spotting help please! I saw what looked like an MH 747 fly ridiculously low over Melbourne's CBD yesterday afternoon at about 12:30 (give or
176 ZK-NBT : Maybe a Freighter then MH fly those to MEL, not sure on the schedule though.
177 Post contains links TN486 : I can confirm it was a freighter, MAS 6203 a B744 (if we are talking Tue 15 Jun). at 1244 hrs located over Kangaroo Ground, did a very long base leg,
178 smi0006 : Is this simply a new Res system for DJ or a check-in system too? Will the introduction of this new system (or any future plans) finally link VA and DJ
179 anstar : Both. It is the same system Jetstar have been using for the last year or so. It is Newskies. VAustralia is still on Amadeus. Not sure when (if) they
180 Aussie_ : The MEL international concourse extension is used now, just only at peak times. I have used it some months ago.
181 IndianicWorld : Thats not all of it though thats open is it? Do any carriers have dedicated gates at MEL? Obviously the A380 gates are there but they seem to be shar
182 ZuluAlpha : Which QF have been on for Years now. This is my understanding of the difference between Amadeus and NewSkies. Please correct me if I am wrong. NewSki
183 bookishaviator : Ah, thank you so much! Wonderful site indeed.
184 Post contains images smi0006 : Only half the concourse is open it has been open for quiet some time, with gates 12, 14 and 16 being used all the time. However there is another half
185 IndianicWorld : Thanks for that info. Much appreciated.
186 alangirvan : Will this situation be better for VirginBlue to AirNewZealand transfers? If passengers are flying ADL-MEL-CHC, the ADL rep should be able to tag thro
187 Boof : No domestic kiosks allow international check in regardless of airline. Even when you web check you still have to see an agent prior to immigration, c
188 alangirvan : The part about kiosks was a bit of a distraction from the question as to whether VirginBlue domestic will be able to check passengers in for Trans Tas
189 aerokiwi : Doesn't bode well for the proposed alliance with NZ then. Or was the left hand not talking to the right?
190 smi0006 : Interesting sight at Melbourne today was on a QF flight from Sydney with a gentleman who i think was chris woodruff a senior executive at Melbourne ai
191 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Sounds like this could be the announcement that the Vic govt was referring to soon. Are there any media conferences planned this week maybe?
192 Post contains links Macilree : Oh dear! No, Pacific Blue (NZ) does not operate under New Zealand traffic rights. It qualifies as a "SAM airline" under the 2002 "open skies" Agreeme
193 gemuser : Well I'll certainly not dispute such matters with YOU. So all PacBlue flights from NZ to the Pacific Islands are operated under Australian rights (5t
194 anstar : I believe mostly, yes. The RAR flights use the Aus bilateral if I remeber correctly as when they wanted to increase capacity it was done with the Aus
195 Post contains links alangirvan : http://www.jetstar.com/~/media/Files...dules/transtasman_4Apr05Sep10.ashx If you look at this JQ schedule, you will see that JQ has one routing, where
196 Macilree : Correct, it is the Australian company Pacific Blue that operates AKL-TBU and AKL-RAR and the flights have to originate in Australia because the Austr
197 gemuser : Thank you Sir! Is there a web site with a consolidated or simple set of document(s) describing the SAM and all its ins & outs? Gemuser
198 DavidByrne : I assume that this is the same reason that NZ has to fly their new RAR-SYD seasonal service AKL-RAR-SYD?
199 gemuser : I don't know, hopefully Macilree will respond, if this is the case how did NZ operate SYD-LAX? Gemuser
200 DavidByrne : If I recall, they were technically AKL-SYD-LAX flights.
201 Post contains links IndianicWorld : http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...ass-change-name-20100620-yp7b.html I really think this is a bad move, trying to compete in a market sector whic
202 eta unknown : Actually the NZ flights were sometimes CHC-SYD-LAX.
203 anstar : Seems they may not have a choice given SQ is protecting the Virgin name outside of Australia.
204 Post contains links and images Macilree : You mean you haven't visited my eponymous personal web site on Google Sites and separate weblog largely devoted to aeropolitics??? The 2002 Australia
205 gemuser : Thank you again! Gemuser
206 Post contains links pugsley : Air India to launch Melbourne-Delhi Air India will launch daily direct services between Melbourne and Delhi from November 1. Melbourne airport chief
207 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Fanstastic news. Lets hope it happens this time, unlike 2007, when the merger sent the services back to the drawing board
208 anstar : They compete with QF now.
209 Post contains images TruemanQLD : OOL
210 pugsley : Yes you are correct, they do currently compete with each other, in fact all airlines compete with each other for our patronage. What I was implying i
211 yellowtail : Is there anyway for them to get SQ to relent? Other than writing a big check to pay them off. Might be moving to PER in the next year or so, so figur
212 thefuture : Been lots of talk here & on NZL forum about if & how & when Tiger Australia will start flying Trans-Tasman. Why don't TR (Tiger SIN) fly S
213 gemuser : If they do, it's 5th freedom, which means every flight would have to start in SIN. Don't think that would be practiable on Tigers business model. Gem
214 thefuture : so they could fly SIN/PER & then another crew could take same aircraft or another aircraft say PER/CHC. Don't understand what you mean ... on Tig
215 gemuser : The standard LCC business model depends on lots of short flights. Because you don't get more in revenue, proportionately to distance flown, more shor
216 thefuture : ok then with a stop somewhere in Australia like MEL (or better still AVV once doing international flights from there) between PER & CHC.
217 Post contains links ZuluAlpha : In relation to AI returning, here is the hyperlink for the press release from the AI site http://home.airindia.in/SBCMS/Webpag...i-resume-flights-to-a
218 DavidByrne : Interesting hypothetical: would TR be able to operate (say) SIN-PER-AVV-CHC and sell seats to TT for the domestic Australian sector, or would it have
219 Post contains links jetfuel : New Virgin Blue 737 will be known as "Brett's Jet" -- the first male name on one of its planes -- with the VH-BZG standing for Brett and Zahra Godfrey
220 gemuser : Still doesn't help. That would be about a 36 hour rotation, in that time Tiger (SIN) could run about 8-10 3 hour sectors and make much more money. So
221 smi0006 : I think someone worked out the amount of pax expected to travel on the new AI service could only be accomodated with a 77W!! On a side note it has bee
222 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : I think I can hear something in the background .. yes it is umm .. the Mission Impossible theme music. Well done smi006
223 thefuture : Yes but they (TR) already operate SIN/PER/SIN & PER/MEL/PER & soon PER/AVV/PER, so what we're really talking about is just something like MEL
224 DavidByrne : Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this would meet the definition of cabotage unless NH (or PX) had themselves been marketing and selling BNE
225 DJ748 : Should easily be done - if DJ can run the route with their 737's, the A320's with smiliar range can do it.
226 Post contains links thefuture : probably not, but was a long time ago, in AN case at least 9 years ago. Just read a submission to ACCC re NZ/DJ codesharing etc. that if permitted, t
227 anstar : Why should they change the bilaterals just to allow a foreign airline to fly those routes? If Tiger want to fly international with Australian traffic
228 Boof : I totally agree. Just because DJ/NZ want to hop into bed doesn't mean that TT should automatically get the rights to fly the Tasman, next thing TT wi
229 thefuture : Yes but NZ/DJ tie up is a big ask. The compromise position would be allow Tiger into NZL. If NZ/DJ happens, which seems unlikely in it's present form
230 Boof : Mate, I'm not trying to be disrespectful but I think you need to have a little bit more of a think about this position re TT and the DJ/NZ tie up. Fi
231 Post contains images aerokiwi : Which route are you talking about, exactly? The Tasman isn't just one route. Wellington and Christchurch would lose out on an awful lot of competitio
232 DJMEL : Sorry, jetfuel - I know your only quoting the Newspaper, how wrong they are! - its not the first aircraft to be given a male name the following are:
233 gemuser : There is currently NO legal basis for granting TR rights Trans Tasman. As it is not an Australian nor NZL airline it is not covered by ANY of the CER
234 thefuture : Sorry TR operate SIN/PER/SIN & TT operate PER/MEL/PER. A continuation, whatever that means, doesn't necessarily have to be same aircraft, just pr
235 thefuture : It's absolutely HUGE !!! They want to limit competition & collude !!! The only interest should be the consumer. If tie up gets up fares will go u
236 TN486 : Ummmmmm.........Would you be prepared to rethink that statement. Most of us know, for a fact QF is making money, as is SQ, EK, and Cathay. Check out
237 thefuture : Yes but aren't 90% of QF group profits from JQ ? Any prift QF itself makes is paultry. Not sure about EK as they get FREE money, but don't think SQ o
238 jetfuel : What a wild and unsubtantiated thing to say FREE money? SERIOUSLY please dont make silly claims
239 thefuture : OK 95% Isn't that one of QF's biggest gripes about EK, that that get FREE, as in, interest free money ?
240 Boof : Sorry I meant to write Trans-Tasman not route (or should have put an s on the end of route). And for what it's worth while I'm saying sorry I forgot
241 TruemanQLD : Reminds me a bit of REALDEAL and ECONOMICS....
242 alangirvan : If Tiger is serious about wanting to fly the Tasman, it is up to them to work out a structure that fits the rules. They could sell 61% of their local
243 aerokiwi : Again you equate the level of competition with "services that cross the Tasman Sea", without realising that most of that competition is on routes to
244 gemuser : No, it has to be the SAME aircraft, or at least one registered in the airlines home country, so either a 9V aircraft has to operate PER-AAV or a VH o
245 Post contains images TN486 : L O L..........reminds me of "the good ole days" (some 12 months ago!!) Mate, you have just said what I was thinking Alan, I would have thought JQ al
246 Post contains links QF175 : Australian Aviation Thread # 37 Economics, Australia1, Simplicity, thefuture, or whatever else you choose to call yourself - move on from the same old
247 ash185 : Your are correct about tha,t and yea the widebodies are used for onward connections from longhual due to their longhaul premium cabins. Regardless of
248 thefuture : Not just AKL. If take DJ out of equation, then other routes also become QF & NZ only !!!
249 TruemanQLD : Inverell? :P
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