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AA Announces New Market: CSG (Columbus, GA)  
User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 645 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7543 times:

New market for AA: CSG, Columbus, Georgia.

Starting July 15, 2010.

Dallas/Fort Worth to Columbus (DFW-CSG)

2977 - 12:45 p.m. - 3:40 p.m. - Daily
2984 - 6:40 p.m. - 9:35 p.m. - Daily


Columbus to Dallas/Fort Worth (CSG-DFW)

2980* - 7:05 a.m. - 8:15 a.m. - Daily
2983 - 4:05 p.m. - 5:15 p.m. - Daily

*Flight begins July 16, 2010

http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2913

[Edited 2010-04-27 07:47:53]

50 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7517 times:

That's Fort Benning, home of the US Army Infantry and the 3rd Infantry Division.


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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2222 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7455 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
That's Fort Benning, home of the US Army Infantry and the 3rd Infantry Division.

And Aflac, home of the Aflac Duck. Aflac is headquartered in Columbus, Georgia.

I can already visualize the tacky billboard - the "Aflac Duck" welcomes the "American Eagle" to CSG.



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User currently offlinespudsmac From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7440 times:

That's great news. I'm from there and as far as I can remember, all we have had is ASA. There was some talk about relocating the airport a couple years ago to outside the city to use the airport land for commercial space, but with things picking up, maybe that kind of talk will stop.

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7392 times:

They are really going after that military traffic - this coming just on the heels of announcing FAY (Ft Bragg) to launch 10 Jun.

Smart idea, and it again reinforces the power of a huge hub like DFW.

I wonder if Eagle will consider Columbus/Starvkille, MIS (GTR). A relatively tiny market, yes, but it's the site of a new facility built by American Eurocopter, which is headquartered in Grand Prairie not far from DFW. I wonder if there's enough traffic there - combined with whatever incremental level of traffic the flight to the DFW hub could generate on its own - to sustain 1-2 flights/day.


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7583 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7348 times:

Im surprised they havent tried to go after some more secondary Mexico markets.


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User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4663 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7309 times:

CSG is a very underserved market, i know the Skymiles loyalty has long discouraged AA and US from growing in Georgia, hopefully we will see this change, I believe CSG can also support CLT flights.

I know AA was poking around CSG a few years ago but they ended up going with MGM at that time.



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User currently offlineATLgaUSA From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7143 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 6):
CSG is a very underserved market, i know the Skymiles loyalty has long discouraged AA and US from growing in Georgia, hopefully we will see this change, I believe CSG can also support CLT flights.

US served CSG from CLT in 2000. I flew DCA-CLT-CSG and back. I was one of four people on the flight to Columbus and the only passenger on the flight back from Columbus.


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7113 times:

In addition to being (one of) the home 3rd ID, it's also home to quite a few military schools, including Airborne, Ranger, Pathfinder, WHISC (or whatever School of the Americas is called these days), Basic Combat Training, Infantry AIT, Office Candidate School, as well as a few other schools I cannot think of off hand. A lot of personnel travel through there on a regular basis.

The only issue is that Dallas is so far West that it is hard to compete for traffic from East of the Mississippi.


User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4663 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7057 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 8):
The only issue is that Dallas is so far West that it is hard to compete for traffic from East of the Mississippi.

Interestingly enough, one of CSG's largest markets is Seattle, WA

Ft Benning works closely with the airport on air service issues so I expect they will strongly support this new servoce.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6974 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 6):
I believe CSG can also support CLT flights.

US Airways flew to CSG from CLT from 1989 to 2003.



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User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4663 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6940 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 10):
US Airways flew to CSG from CLT from 1989 to 2003.

yea 9/11 and the double bankrupcies helped kill the service. The top who markets for CSG are NYC and DC which US can easily compete for via CLT. Not to mention some of the military bases in NC, I believe FAY used to show up on the list of markets that had more than 10 O&D pax from CSG.



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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1042 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6539 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 4):
They are really going after that military traffic - this coming just on the heels of announcing FAY (Ft Bragg) to launch 10 Jun.
AA has launched quite a few military-oriented markets in the last year from DFW: FAY, MHK, AGS, CSG and MGM. Military markets have generally had stable economies and job growth even during the recession.

CSG briefly had AA (Eagle) service back in the BNA hub days.

[Edited 2010-04-27 12:50:00]

User currently offline727lover From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6384 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 4):
They are really going after that military traffic - this coming just on the heels of announcing FAY (Ft Bragg) to launch 10 Jun.

They served FAY about 15 years ago, why did they quit?



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User currently offlineiloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6323 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
That's Fort Benning, home of the US Army Infantry and the 3rd Infantry Division.
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 2):
And Aflac, home of the Aflac Duck. Aflac is headquartered in Columbus, Georgia.

And 30 miles to the north in West Point is a recently constructed Kia Motors auto assembly plant. As, according to news sources, it's capable of producing 300,000 vehicles annually, that should help with the demand for more air service from Columbus.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6292 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 12):
Military markets have generally had stable economies and job growth even during the recession.

  

Quoting 727lover (Reply 13):
They served FAY about 15 years ago, why did they quit?

The RDU hub closed. At the time, AA did not have another aircraft capable of effectively serving the market - the smaller props lacked the range and were considered unacceptable for what would have been quite a long flight, while the jets (Fokkers, MD80s, or 727s, at the time) were all too big.

Now, fast forward 15 years, and AA now has small jets capable of serving these markets nonstop from DFW - which was always the bigger, stronger hub anyway.

Should be interesting to see how all these new Eagle markets out of DFW work out. If they are anything like the last wave of massive Eagle expansion at DFW - after the 2005 Delta hub pulldown - they will probably be quite successful. Then again, oil prices are climbing, and we all know what that does to the economics of a 50-seat RJ, so we'll see.

Quoting iloveboeing (Reply 14):
And 30 miles to the north in West Point is a recently constructed Kia Motors auto assembly plant. As, according to news sources, it's capable of producing 300,000 vehicles annually, that should help with the demand for more air service from Columbus.

Yet another reason for AA to launch DFW-ICN.  


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6290 times:

Do you think DL will have any sort of response to this, or is the market big enough for both?

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6752 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

Quoting spudsmac (Reply 3):
I'm from there and as far as I can remember, all we have had is ASA.

As others have mentioned, US Airways Express flew CLT-CSG in the past (I was on a J32 operated by CCAir on CSG-CLT back in February of 2000). NWA Airlink also offered MEM-CSG at that time, with the Saab IIRC. CSG could support quite a bit more air service if ATL weren't as close as it is (and on the same side of the Atlanta metro). The bus service from Columbus to ATL takes quite a few people.

Quoting ATLgaUSA (Reply 7):
I flew DCA-CLT-CSG and back. I was one of four people on the flight to Columbus and the only passenger on the flight back from Columbus.

There were probably a half dozen or so on my CSG-CLT flight, but that was way, way too long on a Junkstream. I don't think I would have booked that again.

Quoting commavia (Reply 4):
I wonder if Eagle will consider Columbus/Starvkille, MIS (GTR).

They should; Delta Connection flew GTR-DFW back in the days of the DFW hub. However, the availability of westbound connections via MEM on Delta might make it more challenging for AA to break into this market now.


User currently offlineBHMDiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6084 times:

With ASA closing the station down, I'm sure Delta might increase capacity since their in-house ground handler will be there with RHS.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 8):
In addition to being (one of) the home 3rd ID, it's also home to quite a few military schools, including Airborne, Ranger, Pathfinder, WHISC (or whatever School of the Americas is called these days), Basic Combat Training, Infantry AIT, Office Candidate School, as well as a few other schools I cannot think of off hand. A lot of personnel travel through there on a regular basis.

The armor school is also moving to Fort Benning from Fort Knox as per the BRAC 2005 realignment, in it's place the 1st ID will set up a Heavy (armored) Brigade Combat team at Fort Knox.



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User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5875 times:

NW Airlink to MEM used to fly out of CSG. As far as only ASA, DL stopped mainline service in 199? I want to say 1996 but it may have been earlier.

User currently offlinedelta763 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5824 times:

I live in Columbus and I've flown commercial service out of CSG once, back when DL was still sending DC-9s down here. To me it's more cost effective and reliable to just drive or take a ground shuttle an hour and a half up to ATL, where you can fly non-stop to just about anywhere, than worry about connecting from CSG.

US and NW used to have feeder service to MEM and CLT, but they just couldn't make it last. I wonder what AA thinks they have that those guys didn't.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5812 times:

Quoting delta763 (Reply 21):
US and NW used to have feeder service to MEM and CLT, but they just couldn't make it last. I wonder what AA thinks they have that those guys didn't.

Not that I'm saying that success is by any means guaranteed, but I think AA would argue that what they have that "those guys" don't is DFW. DFW is a substantially larger hub than MEM or CLT - with loads more connections all over the place. True, it can't effectively capture traffic heading north like ATL can (and CLT could), but it can certainly handle anything heading west or northwest fairly well.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1042 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5789 times:

Quoting milesrich (Reply 20):
NW Airlink to MEM used to fly out of CSG. As far as only ASA, DL stopped mainline service in 199? I want to say 1996 but it may have been earlier.

Close enough--it was December 1995. It ended the same day as mainline to AVL.

Quoting commavia (Reply 22):
Not that I'm saying that success is by any means guaranteed, but I think AA would argue that what they have that "those guys" don't is DFW. DFW is a substantially larger hub than MEM or CLT - with loads more connections all over the place. True, it can't effectively capture traffic heading north like ATL can (and CLT could), but it can certainly handle anything heading west or northwest fairly well.

They've also got jets, which neither NW nor US offerred.


User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5757 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 23):
Close enough--it was December 1995. It ended the same day as mainline to AVL.

Didn't they end mainline to CHA and MGM at the same time. I know AGS mainline, except the special flights during Masters week, ended later.


25 AVLAirlineFreq : Yep--AVL, CSG, CHA, TRI, and PFN all lost mainline on the same day in December 1995. I think MGM came slightly later as well.
26 sparky35805 : Back in my day in the dark ages,CSG had service with DL,EA,and SO.This was in the late 50s-60s.In 1977 they had the same carriers all with DC-9s and S
27 aviationbuff08 : I agree, AA is going after the high(er) yielding military/government travel with the recent markets they are starting. Don't forget that AA has LAW-D
28 dsuairptman : Regarding GTR, it would probably work. As mentioned above last westbound connections ended with DL shuttering the DFW hub. The MEM flights where a cas
29 surfandsnow : I am VERY impressed with AA/Eagle these days. FAR, RAP, FSD, ROW, SAF, MHK, CYS, BRO, LAF, LCH, MDT, ABE, AVL, CSG, AGS, AVP, FAY, MYR, and ELH. I sim
30 Post contains images realsim : Remove LAF from that list and add TRI and it will be correct I also wonder what new cities/routes AA has in mind. With 22 new CRJ coming and the 13 R
31 rdukid : Auburn University is only about 45 minutes away! WAR EAGLE!!!
32 surfandsnow : Where do the Auburn kids normally fly into? Since CGS and MGM are relatively expensive and offer few flight options, I'm guessing ATL and BHM?
33 rdukid : I am from Raleigh, NC so I just fly Delta into Atlanta. I have family out west though so when I go out there I have usually flown American, instead of
34 Post contains images commavia : It really is rather impressive. Eagle has really harnessed the growth of DFW enormously in the last 5 years. Eagle knows that it is systemically sadd
35 BNAOWB : So, here is a summary of nonstops from Georgia that do not involve ATL: From AGS: DFW AA (starting June) CLT US From SAV: DFW AA MIA AA EWR CO IAH CO
36 FlyPNS1 : Most of the kids attending Auburn are from Alabama/Georgia/Florida and have no need to fly. For those that do, it's often cheapest just to haul up to
37 ATLgaUSA : The Atlanta Airport is on the Auburn side of Atlanta. The drive from campus to the terminal is only about an hour and fifteen minutes. Therefore, mos
38 727lover : They were using MD80s to DFW back then, so what the RDU hub have to do with it?
39 commavia : I can't find any timetable that shows FAY getting nonstops to DFW on MD80s - all I can find is 1-stops through other places (like GSO). Not saying AA
40 FlyDeltaJets87 : Just a note: Columbus AFB trains more than fighter pilots. All types of USAF pilots come out of Columbus's UPT program - fighter pilots, heavy pilots
41 commavia : Plus, lest we forget, Eglin will be getting pretty busy soon, being the home for all USAF/USN/USMC F-35 training. Those Eagle flights to VPS are goin
42 FlyPNS1 : Got another 2+ years to wait given delays in the F35 program. Maybe, though with WN opening up just 45 miles down the road at ECP, it remains to be s
43 commavia : I doubt WN will be getting much of the F-35-related traffic between the Metroplex and Eglin. For starters, LM has a corporate contract with AA that s
44 CIDflyer : how many daily flights will AA/AAEagle have this summer at DFW? I know 3 years ago they had about 800, then when oil hit high they scaled back, I am w
45 Super80DFW : Back in 2007 and 2008, DL/EV had 2 daily flights to LAW from ATL. But unfortunately, once the military contracts were awarded to AA/MQ, DL pulled out
46 realsim : This winter DFW has seen around 740-750 daily departures from AA/MQ, so I won't be surprised if this summer the number reaches 800 or stays close to
47 milesrich : Remember: Although you leave Atlanta on I-85 to drive to Columbus and Auburn, Columbus is on I-185. It's only about 45 miles from Auburn to the CSG a
48 KcrwFlyer : ahem...crw
49 Post contains images worldtraveler : military traffic is stable in turns of demand but it is medium yield at best... when you combine that w/ the economics of a 2 hr RJ flight, it is har
50 catiii : I wonder if the larger message here is that AA is subtly, again, engaging DL head to head on a number of fronts. DL goes after JAL for SkyTeam, AA res
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