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5yrs Of The A380  
User currently offlineDeltaJFk From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 16 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 21285 times:

Hey Everyone. Today in 2005 the a380 had its first flight. I thought that id post this video from that day.


http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video/airbus-a380s-flight-plane-9957670

Happy 5th Bday A380           

so how has the a380 changed things over the past five years for both aviation and the airline industry.

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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3823 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 21229 times:

Oh yeah I remember the day like it was yesterday! I didn't go to university that day to stay at home and watch it on TV.

And remember this awesome thread we had on that day?

Boeing 747-100 First Flight On Wednesday! (by Birdwatching Apr 26 2005 in Non Aviation)

Soren   



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25741 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 21133 times:

Yes and truly amazing how limited use the aircraft is in after 5-years.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25638 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20871 times:

Quoting DeltaJFk (Thread starter):
so how has the a380 changed things over the past five years for both aviation and the airline industry.

No significant changes at all in my opinion. The difference in capacity between the A380 and 747, previously used on many current A380 routes, isn't that great. The introduction of the 747 40 years ago had a much bigger effect on the airline and travel industry as it meant an overnight doubling of typical seating capacity compared to the 707s and DC-8s the 747s replaced. That resulted in big fare reductions as airlines tried to fill the surplus of seats and permitted many people to think about longhaul international travel who previously couldn't afford it.

[Edited 2010-04-27 15:31:02]

User currently offlinemorrisond From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20850 times:

Don't worry at this rate (26 delivered so far) this will give them the much tooted production life of 40 years, at the current 5 year average rate based on there current backlog...

It is a great technological achievement and I would really like to fly on one.

Seriously speaking if they do get over 300 frames delivered and make a profit on the program (I'm guessing based on delays and slow ramp the number of frames needed to sell isn't falling - it has to be over 500-600 to break even) I'll be really impressed. I expect production will end by 2025 at the latest.

Boeing could short circuit anything over 250 by bringing a competitive Y3 for EIS by 2020(announce 2013-2014). An Double Decker twin or BWB ( at say around 450-500 seats max) would probably kill the economics of the A380-800 or even an A380-900 derivative which would have to get very large (and very hard to fill) to be competitive.

Neat airplane, but Airbus should have learned from the A340-300/500/600, 4 engines are a thing of the past. They should have learned from Boeing and trumped the 777 in size with an XXWB Twin(80M long and 11W).


User currently offlineBoeEngr From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 321 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20770 times:

The A380 is an engineering accomplishment and it deserves a happy birthday wish, so, A380, to you I wish you a happy 5 year birthday! 5 years goes by very quickly!

[Edited 2010-04-27 15:54:05]

User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27110 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20712 times:

Congrats to Airbus. A milestone indeed and a wonderful aircraft. The success has been muted by the global economic downturn but when things improve Im sure it will gain pace again.

Happy Birthday to the ''Queen of the skies''.


           


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31110 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20601 times:
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Happy Fifth Anniversary, Empress.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20375 times:

Quoting BoeEngr (Reply 5):
The A380 is an engineering accomplishment and it deserves a happy birthday wish, so, A380, to you I wish you a happy 5 year birthday! 5 years goes by very quickly!
Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
Happy Fifth Anniversary, Empress.

I'm in that camp...  



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20350 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Yes and truly amazing how limited use the aircraft is in after 5-years.

Not really, I see them all the time from 3 different airlines (and probably soon more different ones when other visitors to Sydney get their A380s).

I love the A380 - so quiet. It can fly over my place low, and I won't know it is there. A 747 on the other hand... It rattles the windows.

[Edited 2010-04-27 17:48:04]

User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2770 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20351 times:

Quoting oa260 (Reply 6):
Happy Birthday to the ''Queen of the skies''.

Please...don't ever use that name again for the A380...

 



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User currently offlineVIDP From India, joined Feb 2010, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20316 times:

Quoting DeltaJFk (Thread starter):
so how has the a380 changed things over the past five years for both aviation and the airline industry

Dont know much about other airlines but it helped SQ clear its backlog from LHR asap compared to its peers  


User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27110 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20283 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 10):
Please...don't ever use that name again for the A380...

Get back to your drums    

Its amazing how quickly 5 years has passed , actually scary .


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25638 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20238 times:

Quoting morrisond (Reply 4):
Don't worry at this rate (26 delivered so far) this will give them the much tooted production life of 40 years, at the current 5 year average rate based on there current backlog...

It's interesting that in the 5 years following the 747's first flight in February 1969, 228 were delivered.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20227 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Yes and truly amazing how limited use the aircraft is in after 5-years.

So how limited is it exactly?

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
No significant changes at all in my opinion. The difference in capacity between the A380 and 747, previously used on many current A380 routes, isn't that great. The introduction of the 747 40 years ago had a much bigger effect on the airline and travel industry as it meant an overnight doubling of typical seating capacity compared to the 707s and DC-8s the 747s replaced.

However, it boils down to what is determined as 'significant changes' and, as per your opinion, you are only gauging that from a capacity perspective.....although how you feel that to be "isn't that great" to be a bit beyond me. I really don't see the significance of comparing it with the introduction of the 747 some 40 years ago, other than trying to find a somewhat artificial 'comparison' which doesn't exist. Many aircraft completely outclass the capacity of the same 707's and DC-8's you quote, yet I hesitate to believe that you don't see the likes of the 777 or A330 as making 'no significant changes' to aviation. I'm afraid the A380 indeed makes very significant changes, but those go well beyond the capacity capability which you confining such to.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25638 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20182 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 14):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
No significant changes at all in my opinion. The difference in capacity between the A380 and 747, previously used on many current A380 routes, isn't that great. The introduction of the 747 40 years ago had a much bigger effect on the airline and travel industry as it meant an overnight doubling of typical seating capacity compared to the 707s and DC-8s the 747s replaced.

However, it boils down to what is determined as 'significant changes' and, as per your opinion, you are only gauging that from a capacity perspective.....although how you feel that to be "isn't that great" to be a bit beyond me. I really don't see the significance of comparing it with the introduction of the 747 some 40 years ago, other than trying to find a somewhat artificial 'comparison' which doesn't exist. Many aircraft completely outclass the capacity of the same 707's and DC-8's you quote, yet I hesitate to believe that you don't see the likes of the 777 or A330 as making 'no significant changes' to aviation. I'm afraid the A380 indeed makes very significant changes, but those go well beyond the capacity capability which you confining such to.

I'm afraid I don't quite see your point re other types that were much larger than the 707s and DC-8s. I was referring to the 747 only because it was the first widebody in service and thus had the biggest effect on the airline industry due to the sudden massive capacity increase. The DC-10 and L-1011 certainly had an impact also but not quite to the same extent and those types didn't go into service until a couple of years later.

Just out of interest, what do you consider the A380's very significant changes to be?


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20160 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 14):
I'm afraid the A380 indeed makes very significant changes, but those go well beyond the capacity capability which you confining such to.

Ok, so after your put-down of the others' opinions that the A380 doesn't represent much of a change based on capacity, would you like to actually explain what these "very significant changes" actually are? Only seems fair. It helps to be constructive, AirNZ.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8481 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 19988 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
No significant changes at all in my opinion.

I disagree. The changes however have been subtle but it has put and end to the debate about frequencies over long haul routes. Who would have thought 5 years ago that SIN-ZRH would be an A380 route? I think the bigest change has been to the airline's bottom line and nothing that we passengers will ever notice.


User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 19954 times:

Its an engineering marvel. For that I applaud it.

It has had limited impact. For certain routes it is THE plane to have... On those routes it has been a game changer.

The problem with ramp up rates (wasn't the original schedule to have delivered in the range of 75-100 by now) has in my opinion masked the problem I expect it to run into that there really are a limited number of routes where it is THE plane to have. Of course, I did not expect to see those problems materialize until they get in the range of 75-100 planes in commercial service. That will take a few years yet.

But, its still worth saying: Happy Birthday...


User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 19937 times:
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Quoting AirNZ (Reply 14):
I'm afraid the A380 indeed makes very significant changes, but those go well beyond the capacity capability which you confining such to.

it would have except that there are only 40-50 examples in the world probaly including the ones sitting around. Tryingto get outfitted. Airbus (no to beat them down because it is a technologiacal achivlent) bit off more than it caould chew.



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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1896 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 19787 times:

Happy 5th Birthday to the Queen of the Skies!!

Quoting KPDX (Reply 10):
Please...don't ever use that name again for the A380...

  



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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 19684 times:
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Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 20):
Happy 5th Birthday to the Queen of the Skies!!

Quoting KPDX (Reply 10):
Please...don't ever use that name again for the A380...

  



A queen actually looks good- the a380 is more of the whale of the sky.



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User currently offlinecoopdogyo From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 19486 times:

Today is my birthday so this makes my day more awesome that and the fact that my spanish teacher didn't show up to class.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 19318 times:

How time flies.

However the A380 is yet to create the impact on sales like the B747 did.



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinesasd209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 19300 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 14):
I'm afraid the A380 indeed makes very significant changes, but those go well beyond the capacity capability which you confining such to.

As Mr. Kiwi said, what are they? Surely it is a very nice aircraft and I hope Airbus can build many of these and be successful doing so. But, with 3 (?) operators currently using the A/C in revenue service, has there really been time to gauge the impact of it, yet alone tout "significant changes"? I for one do not think so, but I am glad we can celebrate the 5th anniv. of the first flight!!   

Quoting airbazar (Reply 17):
The changes however have been subtle but it has put and end to the debate about frequencies over long haul routes. Who would have thought 5 years ago that SIN-ZRH would be an A380 route? I think the bigest change has been to the airline's bottom line and nothing that we passengers will ever notice.

I would more agree with your post than most others, well said sir! The A380 is an evolutionary A/C, but hardly revolutionary: it's got the 4 engines of other widebodies, is perhaps the ultimate expansion of the 747 concept, and has most of all changed the way managers utilize their fleets ie: frequencies, etc. YMMV.

SASD209


25 Post contains images KPDX : I've got one.... The A380 set a new standard on how incredibly fugly a plane can be.
26 Post contains images astuteman : With 2 years of delays and problems with production ramp-up, why is that amazing? True. although I'd argue that passengers will, and do, notice the m
27 Post contains images sasd209 : I think we're going to come to love the sight of the 'super' in our airports...she sure is big, but I think graceful, esp on approach.
28 BlueSky1976 : I think that standard was set by the 747-100. A380 only raised it. Bash me all you want, but I simply hate the flying double-deckers. All of them.
29 Post contains images FRAspotter : Possibly the most fun I've ever had reading a topic thread. I remember reading it back when it was new. At first I was confused but then I realized w
30 shankly : I have evidence to the contrary. Mrs Shankly doesn't know a 737 from a 747 or an A330...they are all just planes...pretty much representative of 99%
31 aerokiwi : And yet, their impact on the AKL-SYD route is, well, negligible by most accounts (maybe the route's length - 3 hours - plays a factor? Still, if it w
32 tayser : Just today was walking to work and saw one fly right over Melbourne's CBD.... which originated in Los Angeles...
33 Post contains images gkirk : Happy birthday WhaleJet! I'm also surprised that scrbriml hasn't replied to this thread with at least 2 A380 photos taken by himself
34 Burkhard : Happy birthday, Empress Lady Bee of Whalejet !
35 LAXintl : And how many are in service, and how many airports do they serve today? For a good comparison of a momunetal jumbo project see Viscount724 below. Air
36 Post contains links and images 71Zulu : Congrats to Airbus In 2007 (Mar 19) it had it's first landing at JFK, here's the audio: http://www.supload.com/listen?s=sbroY6 Some funny stuff on he
37 astuteman : That very much depends which "Major International Airport" you go to, I suspect. You'll certainly have no shortage of them at SIN, LHR, SYD or DXB...
38 Post contains images cygnuschicago : ..and Boeing has fallen far short of where the 787 program should be today...
39 LAXintl : How about keep it simple -- Top 25 airports. How many see the A380? Lets see. Here is list from ACI. 1. Atlanta - No 2. Chicago - No 3. London Heathr
40 ReuschAir : Inspired by Mr and Mrs Shankly and others who have had the luxury of flying this machine, can you tell those of us who haven't flown it more about the
41 gkirk : Doesn't Air France fly the A380 to JFK?
42 LAXintl : But yes. Forgot the French. Was used to EK which was now become 77W.
43 Post contains images astuteman : If you wanted to prove my point that it depends which Airport you go to, you couldn't have done a better job Of the 13 US airports on that list, only
44 Post contains images EPA001 : So true, so true. . The difference is indeed huge. I have flown the A380 four times on long(er) stretches and was every time amazed about how fit and
45 caljn : Agreed...ain't it cool !! Best part about picking up the car rental at SFO is the roaring departure of a 747 overhead !
46 cpd : No - I hate it as much as that late night B727 freighter roaring overhead! (The B727 will soon be banned by law). Once you get used to the quiet plan
47 Post contains images caljn : Ok, I'll bite...have you considered moving?
48 cpd : No thanks, conveniently close to public transport options. It's tolerable for most of the time, but certain B747 and B727 aircraft are extremely nois
49 Post contains images surfandsnow : The A380 has completely raised the bar in terms of hard product (especially on EK, the primary operator) and has more or less forced most of the worl
50 BoeEngr : Yikes, people... I'm so glad my parents don't have to justify a business case for having me, nor do they have to defend my physical appearance, just t
51 Post contains images astuteman : Here's looking forward to the 5th anniversary thread for the 787's first flight, BoeEngr Rgds
52 Post contains images BoeEngr : Thanks, astuteman.
53 stevenjehly : Yesterday I flew out of Boeing Field on a Kenmore Air Cessna Caravan. Looking out the window I saw the first (I believe) 747 in its origional red &
54 eclipseflight7 : I'm not sure how seeing A380's at your home airport means the aircraft sees widespread commercial success. By your logic, I see lots of V-22 Ospreys
55 SolarFlyer22 : That's an amazing statistic. I have never quite understood the slowness in manufacturing this plane. Is it just too big to manufacture? Is it too cos
56 Post contains links and images airbazar : You must have missed my point which you actually back up with your example By "us passengers" I meant the general flying public most of them will lik
57 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I was in Toulouse to see the maiden flight of F-WWOW. Friend A380 Chief Test Pilot Jacques Rosay lifted off the aircraft for the very first time at To
58 JBirdAV8r : This has been a commonly known nickname of the Boeing 747 (i.e. not the A380) for decades. Nicknames cannot be "dethroned."
59 Post contains images huaiwei : But they are not copyrighted. Happy fifth birthday to the Queen of the Skies, A380! You rock my airport here in SIN!
60 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Only Concorde can be the Queen of the Skies. Can the 747 and A380 or any other passenger aircraft fly at speeds above Mach2?
61 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : I wouldn't call the A380 less than a manufacturing success because of a slow production rate. From a logistics, staffing and capital investment stand
62 Post contains images huaiwei : Well then they, and the people who get caught in their bait, all need to (with all due respect) grow up a little.
63 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : Hmm..agreed... I'll stick with my nickname for it then. Happy Birthday, Miss Piggy, A380!
64 davidkunzVIE : The A380 is an impressive technological achievement, there's no point denying that. However, it was never meant to be revolutionary, unlike the 747 in
65 Post contains images T8KE0FF : I remeber watching the video with my dad on BBC News, when I 9!! Saying Woah, one day I wanna go on that.... And I have... 5 times
66 OldAeroGuy : Five years after first flight, 223 777's had been delivered, almost 10 times more than the A380.
67 Post contains images Delimit : The 747 is the Queen of the Skies; Concorde was a goddess. Happy Birthday, A380. Don't eat too much cake.
68 Post contains images astuteman : Phew! Am I glad you took that the right way... Rgds
69 Post contains images EA772LR : Here's to 5 years of A380s flying! I think head on, the A380 is a beautiful plane with that magnificent wingspan. Airbus will iron out the A380 produc
70 dswilliams64d : Happy 5th anniversary 380! Oh and don't forget, in reference to 25 major airports, YYZ also see Emirates 380's.
71 shankly : A quantly US perspective on the flying public. Most of the flying public is in the rest of the world, and that part of it flying longhaul will begin
72 Post contains images lightsaber : I'm in that camp too! Happy B-day Empress of the skies. I wanted to do a pithy reply... but there is already snickering on the plane. My only disappo
73 chepos : Happy BDay A380, hopefully it will sell at a much higher rate in the years to come. I do remeber that first flight, I was at ERAU back then and that's
74 david_itl : Look at what could be perceived as a disproportionate amount of 747s being delivered in it's early years compared to the overall total. How many airl
75 eclipseflight7 : I'm not completely certain the point you are trying to run across. The issue here is not necessarily airlines purchasing 747's or A380's but rather p
76 Mortyman : The Airbus 380 was never intended to compete with the B747 in numbers. It has always been considered an aircraft for special routes.
77 Post contains links and images lightsaber : I've posted before that I do not see any significant increase in A380 orders until the delivery rate is increased. I do think Airbus will be able to
78 sasd209 : So based upon your optimistic numbers, If I at SASD Airways was to order an A380 today, I'd be looking at a 15 year lead time for delivery? Surely (h
79 astuteman : Keep on believing the mantra eh?...... They plan to deliver 20 this year, ramping up from 1 per month to 2 per month. If successful, that almost cert
80 macc : can someone give a summary of all A380 routes currently flown?
81 Jacobin777 : IIRC, 4 was the original target plan back in 2004. I wouldn't be surprised if 3 was the "optimal" number right now, which would still be around 36/ye
82 Post contains links N14AZ : There is a webpage showing all A 380-flights and also future flights, if confirmed: http://www.a380flights.net/ Best regards N14AZ
83 Post contains images astuteman : I assumed c. 30 frames per year to come up with a 4 year backlog (of existing orders) by the end of 2011 And for that reason I don't expect to see or
84 Post contains images lightsaber : I agree 100% with that logic. (If I did post a much too lengthy version of it in post #77.) Lightsaber
85 Post contains images astuteman : Must read one of your posts one day.... Rgds
86 Post contains images EPA001 : I am sure you are reading his posts quite carefully. We know they are worth it. . I could not agree more. It could even be well into 2012 before we s
87 Post contains images astuteman : Always, my friend, always Always, my friend, always Rgds
88 maxter : Yes indeed, a very Happy Birthday dear Empress... Only seen it once on the QF visit to PER, but it was an awesome sight, those wings, soooo very grace
89 airbazar : Who would have ever guessed that in only just over 3 years since entry into service (Fall 2010), JNB would be seeing A380's from 3 different airlines,
90 Post contains images lightsaber : Where did the love go? Ghad... I hope so. The joke currently going around is "Lehmen Brothers II, this time it is soverign." Aviation lags the econom
91 Post contains images ea772lr : Nope! I am too. I think those are fitting names for the types if I might add. What would the A389 be called? The "'King' of the skies"? Also, if I ma
92 Post contains images EPA001 : I am hoping for more combinations of the two as well. Since I am a big fan of 4-holers, that is a logical wish. .
93 col : Happy Birthday 380. To see the difference she makes, you need to fly on her, by far the best for long haul. Shame our broke carriers can't save some m
94 Post contains images EPA001 : Well, the B748 has the latest engine technology available, so I am hoping for a comparable silent plane as the A380. Here I mean the inside and outsi
95 col : I love the shock on people's faces at engine start up!! They all get excited with the new screens, foot rests, lighting and then they start the engin
96 Post contains images KL1291 : Congrats to Airbus for 5 years of flying a very unique plane and congrats to our Queen offcourse today! But for the same 5 years we still waiting for
97 Post contains images yellowtail : Well in that case the LFs must have been low
98 flymia : Cant believe it has been five years already, before yesterday I have only seen one a Qantas A380 at LAX. Yesterday I saw 3 at LHR and even drove by o
99 Post contains links and images A342 : I have to agree with MadameConcorde, there can only be one queen of the skies: View Large View MediumPhoto © Udo K. Haafke
100 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : As a sidenote, Pan Am had 4 arcraft built by Lockheed, Douglas and Boeing named "Clipper Empress of the Skies" (L-049 Constellation, DC-7C, 707-321B,
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