Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Skywest/Delta Connection At MSP?  
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6164 times:

Was surprised to learn just today that Skywest is now operating an impressive network of routes to/from MSP as a Delta Connection carrier.

When did Skywest begin serving MSP on behalf of Delta?

Has their presence at MSP been at the expense of Mesaba and/or Pinnacle? ...or primarily to replace mainline service? ...or both?

34 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6068 times:

According to wikipedia (I know, awful source, but feel free to correct any erroneous info I have taken from there) Skywest flies from MSP to BIS, CLE, COS, DLH, FAR, MCI, LNK, MSN, BNA, FSD, and PIT (as of May 1st). Sadly, these CRJ-200s seem to have largely backfilled for the mainline flights and larger RJ flights that NW used to fly.


Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineSMPPLNOHoW2FLY From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5974 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Thread starter):
Has their presence at MSP been at the expense of Mesaba and/or Pinnacle? ...or primarily to replace mainline service? ...or both?

Skywest has taken some flights previously operated by XJ, however a lot of XJ and to some extent 9E is taking other flying. If you'll check out XJ's SLC network you'll see its a fairly even swap. OH is also becoming more prevalent in MSP, however XJ willl be doing CVG and ATL flying. Its just a shake up, don't know any economics behind it.

On a related note, Shuttle America will begin MSP flying in May. Does anyone know what cities it will be going to?



The beginning is the end is the beginning
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5814 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Thread starter):
Has their presence at MSP been at the expense of Mesaba and/or Pinnacle? ...or primarily to replace mainline service? ...or both?

The arrival of SkyWest in MSP is one of the many Delta Connection carrier swaps and moves throughout the system. Freedom and Chautauqua have quite a few DTW flights now, for example. I don't think it has necessarily been at the expense of Mesaba and Pinnacle, though there are others around here that would have more insight into that than myself. They both will have a fair amount of CRJs in CVG this summer, and Pinnacle already has some CRJs in ATL, along with their CR9s.

Quoting SMPPLNOHoW2FLY (Reply 2):
On a related note, Shuttle America will begin MSP flying in May. Does anyone know what cities it will be going to?

Just ORD and ORF, it looks like.

[Edited 2010-04-28 07:02:42]


Hey Swifty
User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1750 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5786 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Pretty much every DL Connection carrier shows up in MSP this summer...ASA being the exception. Whereas NW kept a more refined Airlink operation, DL is all over the place with Connection - and that shows in the summer '10 MSP schedule.

User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5737 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 4):
ASA being the exception

Surprisingly, ASA does appear in MSP this summer on a very limited basis with CR7 only. The only routes I remember seeing in the bid package are YYZ and CVG.


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5709 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 4):
Whereas NW kept a more refined Airlink operation, DL is all over the place with Connection - and that shows in the summer '10 MSP schedule.

Very much so. I think the movement of the Connection carriers has been as interesting as the mainline shifts. Who would have ever thought we'd see an EV CR7 flying from DTW to YHZ?



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5681 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 3):
I don't think it has necessarily been at the expense of Mesaba and Pinnacle

Mesaba and Pinnacle's operations at MSP are decreasing but overall Delta Connection's operation at MSP is increasing, so yes, it's been partially at the expense of XJ & 9E (and partially at the expense of mainline jet service). XJ & 9E, however, are increasing operations at CVG & ATL.



Gordo:like this streaming video,Sky magazine,meals for sale at mealtime-make customer satisfaction rank so high at UA
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5651 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 7):
XJ & 9E, however, are increasing operations at CVG & ATL.

As I said in my post earlier. While they may be reducing some flying at MSP, there will be an increase in CRJ flying for the both of them at CVG and 9E at ATL. I don't believe either of them are losing any airplanes because of the shift. As for the mainline part, they have to fill the holes left by the D9S drawdown in MSP and eventual retirement.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5630 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 8):
I don't believe either of them are losing any airplanes because of the shift.

They're not. But the OP was pondering if OO's presence at MSP was at the expense of XJ & 9E; the answer's yes -- the total Delta Connection operation at MSP is growing, but XJ & 9E are shrinking at MSP. The airlines themselves aren't shrinking -- DL's merely deploying them elsewhere.



Gordo:like this streaming video,Sky magazine,meals for sale at mealtime-make customer satisfaction rank so high at UA
User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5550 times:

I noticed one of our DTW flights to MLI is an OH operated flight. Other than that, I think everything else stays about the same, with XJ and 9E doing MSP, DTW, and MEM runs, but I was pleasantly surprised to see OH back in the Quad Cities.

User currently offlinefghtngsiouxATC From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5546 times:

You can add GFK to the list of Slywest destinations. They have an evening flight MSP-GFK, and a 7 AM flight GFK-MSP.

User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5534 times:

Some of the realignment has to do with a few things.

1) DL drawing down the stage length of CRJ-200 flights, trying to get better economics and improving customer satsifaction by generally limiting them to flights of less than 600-700 miles. You now see CR7s on longer routes out of DTW and MSP, like DTW-OMA going all-CR7 later this year, DTW-YHZ, etc. They are swapping the CR7s off other routes and redeploying 9E and XJ CRJs on shorter routes.

2) DL redeploying 2-class aircraft in other markets - the CR9s E-175s, and the CR7s With CZ E-175s going on the ORD-LGA shuttle that causes aircraft to be redeployed and back filling other aircraft in the system. XJ has picked up a bunch of CR9 flying out of SLC. Compass E75's are almost all out of MEM.

3) DC-9-30/40 retirement. The intra-Michigan flyin, other than GRR, is all RJ now out of DTW (TVC & MBS get an occasional CR9 still). FNT, LAN, MBS, TVC has gone to higher frequency, 50 seat RJs. Plus routes like PIT, YYZ, MDT are now being flown with more RJs than in the past.

4) Improved tail routings. They now have the ability to better align aircraft and flight times across the system in instances where they don't have to fly a turnaround back to the same hub, instead now can bridge over to another hub. 9E is doing more ATL CRJ flying.


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5534 times:

Forgot to include in the questions raised in my OP...

How has the dramatic expansion of Skywest at MSP, and the re-assignments of Delta Connection carriers in general, effected Compass's flight operations at MSP? Has Compass, like Mesaba and Pinnacle, also given up some MSP flights and gained flights elsewhere?

Prior to Skywest's major expansion at MSP in the very recent past, did they operate any flights there as DL* other than to/from the SLC hub?

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 1):
According to wikipedia (I know, awful source, but feel free to correct any erroneous info I have taken from there) Skywest flies from MSP to....

Here's where they currently fly to from MSP (and other hubs) as Delta Connection...per Skywest's own website:

http://www.skywest.com/routemaps/rm_img/Delta_RouteSystem(APR10).pdf

Was interesting to learn when flying aboard a Skywest-operated DL* flight yesterday that the crew are based at COS...which seemed an unlikely crew base for the regional. Why a base at COS, and where are the locations of other Skywest pilot/FA bases?


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3406 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5448 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 1):
According to wikipedia (I know, awful source, but feel free to correct any erroneous info I have taken from there) Skywest flies from MSP to BIS, CLE, COS, DLH, FAR, MCI, LNK, MSN, BNA, FSD, and PIT (as of May 1st

No OO in MSN currently. the one flight they had was replaced w/ a DC9-30. No idea what the next schedule holds...



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5371 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 13):

How has the dramatic expansion of Skywest at MSP, and the re-assignments of Delta Connection carriers in general, effected Compass's flight operations at MSP?

CP, for its part, hasn't really lost anything in MSP. MSP is still their largest departure station.
Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 13):
Prior to Skywest's major expansion at MSP in the very recent past, did they operate any flights there as DL* other than to/from the SLC hub?

They might have sent some CRJs to MSP from CVG. They also have CR9s in ATL, though I don't think they ever made their way up from ATL.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5345 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
With CZ E-175s going on the ORD-LGA shuttle that causes aircraft to be redeployed and back filling other aircraft in the system.

Compass will not be doing the ORD LGA shuttle. Shuttle America will be.

On a related note, Compass is shutting down thier MEM crew based, only leaving MSP and DTW, MSP being the far larger of the two and DTW crews being routed through ATL.



Long Live Memphis!
User currently offlinecaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 1):
According to wikipedia (I know, awful source, but feel free to correct any erroneous info I have taken from there) Skywest flies from MSP to BIS, CLE, COS, DLH, FAR, MCI, LNK, MSN, BNA, FSD, and PIT (as of May 1st

No OO in MSN currently. the one flight they had was replaced

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 13):
Was interesting to learn when flying aboard a Skywest-operated DL* flight yesterday that the crew are based at COS...which seemed an unlikely crew base for the regional. Why a base at COS, and where are the locations of other Skywest pilot/FA bases?

COS is a MX base for OO hence the crew base as well. COS is easy to get crews around to different bases as there are flights to DEN, SLC, SFO, LAX and now MSP. Other OO crew bases for the jet: DEN, SLC, SFO, FAT (also MX), SBA, LAX, PSP (also MX), TUS (also MX), and ORD. MKE has a MX base but no crew base any longer.



Meanwhile, somewhere 35,000 ft above your head...
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5117 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 15):
They also have CR9s in ATL, though I don't think they ever made their way up from ATL.

The SkyWest CRJ-900s were not uncommon on MSP-ATL until fall of 2008. Before the merger was officially approved by the government, it wasn't atypical to see some CRJ-900s from SkyWest on MSP-ATL at off-peak hours. Once the merger was officially approved though, you saw a sudden upswing in movement, with all the CRJ-900s disappearing and becoming MD-88s, and some MD-88s moving up to 757s.


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1750 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5104 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 16):

On a related note, Compass is shutting down thier MEM crew based, only leaving MSP and DTW, MSP being the far larger of the two and DTW crews being routed through ATL.

No surprise looking at the schedule. MEM is becoming Delta's new CRJ-200 haven.


User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5060 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 13):
Prior to Skywest's major expansion at MSP in the very recent past, did they operate any flights there as DL* other than to/from the SLC hub?

I'm an ORD based pilot. We've been doing DL stuff mainly into CVG from ORD since last summer. We've only been doing MSP a few months, but I have been seeing it on my schedule a lot lately. For a long time, we were all UA flying in ORD. More and more Delta has been creeping in along with mixed trips. Some United, Delta and I have done a few that even include AirTran as well in one 4 day trip.



What do I know? I just fly 'em.......
User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5060 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 19):
No surprise looking at the schedule. MEM is becoming Delta's new CRJ-200 haven.

There will still be a decent number of CR9s, DC-9s, and Airbus to key business markets. They're basically swapping out E175s with CR9s and Airbus. No noticable reduction in 2-class aircraft in with MEM with announcment.


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 18):
The SkyWest CRJ-900s were not uncommon on MSP-ATL until fall of 2008.

Oh ok. I had seen CR9s down at the end of the E Concourse there, but always just assumed they were going to SLC.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4937 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 13):
Was interesting to learn when flying aboard a Skywest-operated DL* flight yesterday that the crew are based at COS...which seemed an unlikely crew base for the regional. Why a base at COS, and where are the locations of other Skywest pilot/FA bases?

My flight last night on OO MSP-BIS had a FAT crew, and the 3pm BIS-MSP is normally crewed with a TUS base.



“Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, an
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4896 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 21):
There will still be a decent number of CR9s, DC-9s, and Airbus to key business markets. They're basically swapping out E175s with CR9s and Airbus.

It was interesting to notice yesterday at PHX that Delta's a.m. (only?) flight to MEM has changed from "the usual" Compass E175 seen in the past to an A319. Perhaps a seasonal equipment change on the route?


25 CWAFlyer : As a few others have said, SkyWest has operated off and on to MSP from SLC and ATL for Delta for several years. The CRJ 200 buildup started the middle
26 pilotpip : Delta likes to change around routes for their regional feed with the change in wind direction. S5 starts doing a bunch of stuff out of DTW in May whic
27 n7371f : Delta's been running 319's for several months now on MEM-PHX.
28 Tango-Bravo : Since the subject has broadened to re-assignments of Delta Connection carriers in general... Which regional airline(s) currently operates DL* flights
29 deltal1011man : only F8 and RP have E45s. The most run in the north(CVG/DTW/MSP) they may have some NYC opps as well. not much. They are doing some DTW E75 runs and
30 Tango-Bravo : First, a question: Which airline is denoted by the F8 code? Since MSP is mentioned in connection with F8 and Chautauqua E45 DL* flights... where do t
31 KingAir200 : RP has a fair amount of flights from LGA. Smaller than OH and 9E there though. Freedom Airlines. Not all that many places. I think F8 only has 5 or 6
32 Tango-Bravo : Am I recalling correctly in my thinking that the (very limited amount of) flying ExpressJet did as DL* (at SLC) was an at-risk venture/experiment? Wh
33 burnsie28 : Yes last may I flew Skywest CR9 (in the 35 years paint scheme) from MSP-CVG As mentioned above its been back to the 319 for quite some time now. It w
34 EMB170 : XJT flying, IIRC was actually not out of SLC but out of LAX. It was at-risk, though, and I think that's why it didn't stick around too long. Quite si
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Delta / Delta Connection At PHX posted Wed May 23 2007 06:58:23 by RedTailDTW
Delta Connection At JFK posted Thu Feb 15 2007 06:59:02 by RJpieces
Delta Connection At CVG posted Wed Mar 3 2004 23:09:22 by Ushermittwoch
New Delta Connection: DFW-MSP & DFW-DET posted Tue May 6 2003 20:31:56 by Ord
Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!? posted Wed Apr 16 2003 15:00:23 by Atcboy73
Delta At MSP posted Tue Nov 11 2008 08:17:50 by Gsosbee
Delta Connection - Ramp Staff At YVR posted Tue Jan 1 2008 11:40:26 by Tranceport
Delta MD-90 At MSP? posted Tue Mar 13 2007 19:39:35 by SESGDL
Threat To Delta Connection Flight At TOL posted Fri Dec 15 2006 20:41:57 by Flyinryan99
Delta Connection SkyWest CRJ-900 posted Mon Oct 9 2006 06:38:24 by IdaBoy