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Southwest Fined $200,000.00  
User currently offlineFlyWhisperjets From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 81 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11829 times:

Southwest has been fined $200,000 for bumping passengers off of oversold flights. The report stated that SWA bumped more passengers than any other carrier. After receiving passenger complaints, it was discovered that SWA did not follow the rules. They failed to give passengers written information about passenger rights and failed to compensate them properly.


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11809 times:

Do you have a link to a source because if this is true, we could be also be seeing other airlines fined by now, too.


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User currently offlineWNBob From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11666 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Do you have a link to a source because if this is true, we could be also be seeing other airlines fined by now, too.

It was all over the evening news last night.

Sounds like *ONLY* if enuff PAX complaint do they investigate (what else do u expect of government bureaucracy). But I can see it. SWA is famous for being efficient (they do it fast) but also means they may have failed to dot the i and cross the Ts in this case. Honestly when PAX get bumped, they don't care about any compensation, all they care about is, "what are you going to do to get me out ASAP!" So I can see where the staff is been spending their time.


User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11618 times:

DALLAS (AP) — Southwest Airlines, which bumped more passengers than any American carrier last year, was fined $200,000 on Tuesday for violating rules on kicking passengers off oversold flights.

The Transportation Department said Tuesday that it reviewed passenger complaints and found many cases of Southwest failing to promptly pay bumped passengers and give them written notices of their rights.

Last year, Southwest bumped 13,113 passengers — 80 percent more than the next closest carrier. However, Southwest carried the most passengers in the United States, and travelers faced a greater chance of being bumped on some other airlines, with American’s regional affiliate, American Eagle, being the worst.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/business/28fine.html?src=busln



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7482 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11608 times:

Here's another link to the story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36825001/

[Edited 2010-04-28 09:29:00]


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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3783 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11549 times:

There were articles about this in the Dallas Business Journal and the Dallas Morning News.

Southwest Airlines fined $200,000

Southwest Airlines fined $200,000 for its handling of oversold flights

The articles noted that WN was supposed to give passengers a written statement describing their rights and the process for selecting who gets bumped from an oversold flight. The DOT said Southwest failed to give written notice to those bumped involuntarily and did not give them "appropriate amount and type of denied boarding compensation in a timely manner."

Quoting FlyWhisperjets (Thread starter):
The report stated that SWA bumped more passengers than any other carrier.

The Dallas Morning News noted

Quote:
In 2009, Southwest bumped 1.29 passengers per 10,000 passengers involuntarily, ranking it eighth out of 19 airlines tracked by the DOT.

Including passengers who voluntarily surrendered their seats, Southwest bumped 11.2 passengers per 10,000.

I, too would like to see a source for the the OP's claim that Southwest bumped more passengers than any other carrier.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11512 times:

It was all over the local newscasts in Texas last night. They said WNbumped the most in the USA and 80% more than the next airline.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/business/28fine.html?src=busln

[Edited 2010-04-28 09:37:01]


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User currently offlineAirportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3451 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11462 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 6):
They said WN had something like 80% of all bumps in the USA last year

Incorrect. Article states 80% more than the next closest carrier.

80% of all bumps in the system would be attrocious.


On an off note, after booking some B6 tickets yesterday, they made a disclosure regarding involuntary bumping. Any one in the know, know how often they bump a passenger?



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User currently onlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1477 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11396 times:
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Quoting Airportugal310 (Reply 7):
On an off note, after booking some B6 tickets yesterday, they made a disclosure regarding involuntary bumping. Any one in the know, know how often they bump a passenger?
http://news.travel.aol.com/2010/04/13/hawaiian-airlines-best-service/

Quote:
A decrease in the number of scheduled flights and fuller planes resulted in overbooking, meaning more air travelers were denied boardings than in previous years. American Eagle had the highest rate at 3.76 per 100,000 passengers, while JetBlue had so few denied boardings the carrier's rate showed up at zero.


User currently offlineAirportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3451 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11379 times:

Thanks for digging that up Hat!


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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11379 times:

Quoting Airportugal310 (Reply 7):


On an off note, after booking some B6 tickets yesterday, they made a disclosure regarding involuntary bumping. Any one in the know, know how often they bump a passenger?
Quoting hatbutton (Reply 8):

For B6 it SHOULD be 0 as B6 does not overbook their flights at all.

If B6 gets any DBC then someone messed up somewhere hahaha

Alex



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7129 posts, RR: 87
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11295 times:

We had an employee using a revenue ticket get bumped off a flight out of OAK and claimed he was profiled because he was a FX employee and we don't carry nonrev status with WN anymore. The airline failed to provide their procedure for how they bump rev pax on overbooked flights and a case of heartburn ensued. This is currently in mediation pending a court trial.   

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11249 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 11):
We had an employee using a revenue ticket get bumped off a flight out of OAK and claimed he was profiled because he was a FX employee and we don't carry nonrev status with WN anymore.

How would they know he was an FX employee if he was on a regular ticket??  



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User currently offlinejunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11237 times:

It's really easy to provide the information to passengers. Back when there were ticket jackets the policy was printed inside those. Now, with most airlines, there is a half sheet of paper you can grab at the ticket counter next to the address bag tags that is virtually the same policy that used to be printed in ticket jackets. It's hard to believe WN doesn’t have something like this available.

User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11198 times:

Quoting junction (Reply 13):
It's hard to believe WN doesn’t have something like this available.

Oh we do. It is inside the ticket jackets which we still have at the ticket counters.

Alex



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7129 posts, RR: 87
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11200 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 12):
How would they know he was an FX employee if he was on a regular ticket??

Airlines know everything. He had his shiny e-id on.   


User currently offlinejunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11162 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 14):

Oh we do. It is inside the ticket jackets which we still have at the ticket counters.

That's what I figured. So how can WN be fined for not advising the policy when the policy is readily printed out and available for everyone to read.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11162 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 15):
Airlines know everything. He had his shiny e-id on.

Oh gotcha. Well why would he do that, if he was on a regular ticket?? Most airlines don't like that when you are on nonrev, much less a regular passenger.



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User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1297 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11115 times:
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Quoting atrude777 (Reply 10):
For B6 it SHOULD be 0 as B6 does not overbook their flights at all.

True, but they still have downgrades of equipment or weight and balance issues that could cause passengers to be bumped.

Why does WN have so many bumped overbooked passengers? It sounds like their yield management department needs some work. Most airlines do overbook, but a well managed yield management should eliminate or reduce how many passengers are affected.



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7129 posts, RR: 87
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10936 times:

Quoting junction (Reply 16):
That's what I figured. So how can WN be fined for not advising the policy when the policy is readily printed out and available for everyone to read.
Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 17):
Oh gotcha. Well why would he do that, if he was on a regular ticket?? Most airlines don't like that when you are on nonrev, much less a regular passenger.

Don't shoot the messenger. I'm not familiar with what WN prints on their ticket jackets about involuntary bumping, but the DOT is very specific about what has to happen in the event. I don't doubt the guy prolly copped an attitude, but nothing was done initially and he ended up getting to fd 10 hrs late. This just affirms how lawsuit happy Americans are.   


User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10855 times:

Doing some math, Southwest took in 2.63 BILLION dollars the first 90 days of calender 2010.
Thats around 2.924 MIllion dollars a day OR just under $122,000 an hour.
They were finded $200,000.
Wow.......Im sure they reached down into their hip pocket and said here....have a nice day.
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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10615 times:

Passengers getting bumped happened all the time on AE's Airline (USA version)...WN really is notorious for that...

Quoting isitsafenow (Reply 22):
Doing some math, Southwest took in 2.63 BILLION dollars the first 90 days of calender 2010.
Thats around 2.924 MIllion dollars a day OR just under $122,000 an hour.
They were finded $200,000.
Wow.......Im sure they reached down into their hip pocket and said here....have a nice day.
safe

Honestly...nothings really gonna change



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User currently offlineindolikaa From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10592 times:

The Big, Bad Department of Transportation has spoken! I stand in awe of my government.

If I was Goldman Sachs, I'd be all over this. This fine is of such a proportion that Southwest may be financially vulnerable, and they may have to cut one daily flight between PHX-ABQ. If that happens, the government will have no choice but to allow a US/CO/AA/DL/B6 merger to compensate for the loss.

I just called my broker and told him to dump my LUV stocks. Too risky right now.



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User currently offlinePWMRamper From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 599 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10058 times:

Quoting junction (Reply 16):

Airlines have to physically give the pamphlet to the passenger, and explain their rights. Airlines also have to offer cash compensation FIRST, before anything else.


User currently offlineag92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7886 times:

Its rather ironic I just watched Airline USa and it was about a bumped passenger claiming that there is a lack of compensation being offered!

25 Post contains images AirframeAS : If he was wearing his company ID (a big no-no, IMO), then the agents assumed he was a non-rev flying on company business. Therein lies the confusion.
26 dynamo12 : Here is the list of airlines and their bump rates through Sept 2009. Southwest is very close to United and Delta. These articles make it seem like the
27 atcsundevil : This doesn't surprise me one bit. It's how WN does business. They have their route structures down to a science and they'll place their lid at a given
28 Cross757 : Perhaps WN should change thier "Bags Fly Free!" slogan to something like: "Bags Fly Free...well, maybe!" or, "Bags Fly Free...IF they fly!" or perhaps
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