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Frontier A319 Wolf - N901FR And N933FR  
User currently offlineusa4624 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 279 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

When I first started watching Aircraft, I remember Frontier's first A319 was N901FR with a Wolf on the tail. A friend recently showed me a photo of a Frontier A319 with the same tail, except the tail number was N933FR.

Why does Frontier have 2 A319s with the same image? Was N901FR withdrawn for some reason?

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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

Quoting usa4624 (Thread starter):
Why does Frontier have 2 A319s with the same image? Was N901FR withdrawn for some reason?

Yes, N901FR was withdrawn. I think it was around spring of 2008 that it left.

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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

Quoting usa4624 (Thread starter):
Why does Frontier have 2 A319s with the same image?

Wally the Gray Wolf is still on his own, on 933. Sebastian the Ferringous Hawk used to be on 933. The swap was done because Wally is a more recognized spokesanimal than Sebastian was. The swap was done during the last c-check 933 went through, which I worked on.

Quoting usa4624 (Thread starter):
Was N901FR withdrawn for some reason?

901 was sold to a Russian airline, IIRC.

Quoting usa4624 (Thread starter):
Why does Frontier have 2 A319s with the same image?

No aircraft has two images of the same on the Airbuses.



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User currently offlineusa4624 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 279 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

Did the lease expire on N901? Seems like a very young aircraft to retire and sell...

User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Quoting usa4624 (Reply 3):

Frontier sold a number of A318's and A319's to raise cash. This cash was used to survive during F9's reorganization.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Quoting usa4624 (Reply 3):
Did the lease expire on N901?

No, it was sold. It was never a leased aircraft.



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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1744 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2878 times:
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N901FR was sold to VTB Leasing in September 2008 and onward leased to Rossiya Russian Airlines (VQ-BAR). Ship 901 is one of eight 319's sold to VTB and leased to Rossiya during bankruptcy.

User currently offlineType-Rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

That wolf tail is my favorite of them all. I am glad they reinstated Wally on another aircraft.

User currently offlineYXwatcherMkE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Will the number 901 be reused or is it never to be used again?


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMkE (Reply 8):
Will the number 901 be reused or is it never to be used again?

If we get another A319, the registration would be N951FR or N952FR. I think we are done getting any more A319's, IMVHO.

Even if we got another A319, I doubt we would go back to N901FR. It wouldn't make sense to go back.



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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1585 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMkE (Reply 8):
Will the number 901 be reused or is it never to be used again?
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
Even if we got another A319, I doubt we would go back to N901FR. It wouldn't make sense to go back.

  

The Registry/tail # probably won't be used again until Frontier has retired the A319s (and probably the whole A320 family) and decides to assign a new aircraft type to the 900 numbers. Either that or until they dwarf every other carrier in size and have to start re-using retired numbers... I don't really see that happening, though.



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User currently offlineYXwatcherMkE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
I think we are done getting any more A319's, IMVHO.

So why do you think that there will not be any more 319's added to the fleet? If F9 is to continued to grow they will need more lift. I can't see only the E-170/190's and the A320's being added to the fleet. I can't see a reason not adding at least 5 319's to the fleet until the C-Series start arriving and that is what 5 years away?



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMkE (Reply 11):
So why do you think that there will not be any more 319's added to the fleet?

For a couple reasons:

1) We need the A320's....... badly.

2) There are no orders for A319's. Given the C-Series order, it is more than likely that the A319's are done being added.

3) We sold 8 A319's (A big mistake, IMO) a couple years ago. That should be a given.



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User currently offlineYXwatcherMkE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
2) There are no orders for A319's. Given the C-Series order, it is more than likely that the A319's are done being added.

3) We sold 8 A319's (A big mistake, IMO) a couple years ago. That should be a given.

In response to...
#2. I know the C-series will replace the Airbus a/c. But the C-series is not even in production yet.
#3. Yes the sale of the 8 319's was a mistake, in the eyes of the operation side, but it was done to raise cash for a cash strapped airline. So why not replace the 8 sold a/c until the C-Series A/C arrives. I'm sure there are 8 319's parked by some airline or leasing company that would love to lease them for 5 to 6 years.   



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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1744 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
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Quoting YXwatcherMkE (Reply 13):
#3. Yes the sale of the 8 319's was a mistake, in the eyes of the operation side, but it was done to raise cash for a cash strapped airline. So why not replace the 8 sold a/c until the C-Series A/C arrives. I'm sure there are 8 319's parked by some

You're leaving out the over capacity issue that was dragging down Frontier at the time of its bankruptcy filing. Menke would tell you they had too many airplanes chasing routes. One of the first things he did was to cut capacity, mainly in routes not DEN specific, and pull everything back to/from Denver. This resulted in a surplus of aircraft. So the sale of the 319's was indeed to raise capital but the aircraft were also expendable based on the business case Menke had put in place.

Now under Republic it's about growing back much of what was lost with those aircraft. But that is a different game plan than when Frontier was independent.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25455 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2097 times:
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Quoting n7371f (Reply 14):
You're leaving out the over capacity issue that was dragging down Frontier at the time of its bankruptcy filing.

  

SM had started a fleet rationalization review well before the Chapter 11 filing.

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