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WSJ: UA-CO Are Expected To Announce Merger Monday  
User currently offlineHouStrategies From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 43899 times:

WSJ: United, Continental Are Expected to Announce Merger

Continental Airlines Inc. and UAL Corp.'s United Airlines are expected to announce Monday that they are merging to form the world's largest airline by passengers carried, people familiar with the matter said.
...

Continental already has agreed in theory to allow the combined airline to be based in Chicago, United's home base, and to retain the United name, according to those people familiar with the matter.

Jeff Smisek, Continental's chief executive officer, would become CEO of the merged carrier; Glenn Tilton, UAL's CEO, would become non-executive chairman for two years, after which Mr. Smisek would take over that role too, those people familiar with the matter said.

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>[Edited 2010-04-29 15:29:27]

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It'll be a sad HQ loss for Houston (although I understand the "hometown airline" advantage vs. the AA hub at ORD), as well as a confusing choice of brand. I think Tilton's ego needs to make it at least look like UA was the acquirer, and Chicago HQ + United brands does that, even if CO mgt replaces most of UA mgt. Of course they smoothed that over with massive exit bonuses for the UA mgt:
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/20...op-execs-depend-on-airline-merger/

It doesn't look like they will even keep the ops HQ in Houston, which also seems like a bad move. How many employees will be willing to move to Chicago and transplant the superior CO culture? Not enough, I think.

I'm still hoping something will kill this deal or move it to Houston. Some last minute board, price, labor, or govt issue.

[Edited 2010-04-29 15:30:18]

[Edited 2010-04-29 15:30:51]

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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 43868 times:

well should be interesting! I wonder if they will connect more of their popular midwest spokes that have DEN and ORD like CID, FSD, MLI, etc to IAH? Personally I would love to see CID-IAH.

User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 2021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 43594 times:

Well, doesn't look for those that aren't in favor of the merger, like myself. We'll see what happens Monday, but I would bet all I have that it will go through.

User currently offlineworldtraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 43525 times:

CO has been one of the cinderella stories of US aviation; it will be sad to see them go and the CO people who have rebuilt that airline have alot to be proud of....

UA has done a solid but long job of rebuilding their airline and the two should hae a lot in common they can build on despite their differences... esp. in culture.

As a former Houstonian, I hate to see Houston losing its hometown airline.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4047 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 43359 times:
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how many employees (if they're offered a position) would move to Chicago??? I'm not so certain that many would. CO employees get paid a lot less than those at UA, and with the increase in cost of living, I'm not sure a pay raise would offset the cost of living that many have become adapted to in the great state of TEXAS.


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6131 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 43041 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):
how many employees (if they're offered a position) would move to Chicago??? I'm not so certain that many would. CO employees get paid a lot less than those at UA, and with the increase in cost of living, I'm not sure a pay raise would offset the cost of living that many have become adapted to in the great state of TEXAS.

I'm not sure how many would have to...allot has been discussed on the benefits and drawbacks of both cities as the HQ. In the end I would be surprised to see much of a change of employment numbers in both cities. UA is only leasing 450 thousand square feet of space in the Sears Tower (I'm not calling it that other name.) I'm not sure that is going to be enough space for the combined operations of both airlines. It's conceivable that UA could split its operations between both cities ie: UAWHQ at 77 Wacker, half of ops at Sears and the other half at 1600 Smith. The other advantage to building an entirely new ops center is that you have the ability to update to the latest and greatest technology.



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User currently offlineTan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 42644 times:

well..my 2 cents..IMHO, A big mistake to retain the United name..the implication is that UAL acquires CAL..Bad. CAL has worked so hard to get where they are, I just can't see the advantage of tossing to Continental name in the can.

And, with a Democratic Admin in DC, Im not so sure this will all wine and roses. Some assets will have to go..CO's Asian and Air Mike assets? Some of EWR? or IAD?..CLE is toast. IF it is the Asian assets, would/ could AMR pick them up?

One benefactor..Boeing..IF in fact a CO led company after merger, I doubt there will be too many more new frames ordered or options taken. May be more push for the 737 replacement.

Well, let the guessing begin..there will probably be 100 posts by midnight EDT>


User currently offlinejustloveplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1065 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 42496 times:

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 6):
And, with a Democratic Admin in DC, Im not so sure this will all wine and roses. Some assets will have to go..CO's Asian and Air Mike assets? Some of EWR? or IAD?..CLE is toast. IF it is the Asian assets, would/ could AMR pick them up?

This merger, internationally, looks pre-approved to a certain extent. UA and CO have anti-trust immunity approved for TATL and I think provisional approval for Transpac. Basically the can collude legally on pricing, revenue sharing etc. so those markets are already approved in a sense. Latin America is heavily CO, so that just leaves the US, market, where the two carriers complement one another much more than overlapping. Probably not a problem.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11966 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 42435 times:

Good. I'm excited to see how this all plays out. They have some issues to work through, labor being chief among them - and trying to minimize the amount of money they'll have to give labor to go along with this. But, generally speaking, if/when this happens - wow, what a network. As I've said, it will become the preeminent airline in the U.S. - no question at all about that.

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 6):
CAL has worked so hard to get where they are

Right they have, and they should be quite proud of that. But United and its employees have worked hard to, and United is also a good airline.

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 6):
I just can't see the advantage of tossing to Continental name in the can.

United is a bigger airline and a bigger brand. It's that simple.

Continental is bigger in Latin America, yes, but United is as big if not bigger domestically, as big or only slightly smaller in Europe, and way bigger in Asia.

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 6):
And, with a Democratic Admin in DC, Im not so sure this will all wine and roses. Some assets will have to go..CO's Asian and Air Mike assets? Some of EWR? or IAD?..CLE is toast.

I highly doubt it.

There is so little overlap here it's not even funny. Their network are almost perfectly complimentary. The only real overlap is on their own hub-to-hub routes, and that is the case with any merger.

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 6):
IF it is the Asian assets, would/ could AMR pick them up?

If it's the Asian assets, the merger won't happen. United will be giving up the Asian routes when they go out of business. In other words: not going to happen.

As for AMR, I highly doubt AMR would buy United's Asian network even if it were for sale. For starters, AA has better things to spend their money on at the moment. Beyond that, there is really nothing of value that United has any more that AA can't already get on their own. It's not like it was a decade ago. Now, basically every single major Asian country is Open Skies with the U.S. - including Japan - meaning that AA can pretty much add anything they want whenever they want. The only major Asian market not explicitly Open Skies is China, but with so many countless unused U.S.-China frequencies available to U.S. carriers at the moment, it might as well be Open Skies.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 42426 times:
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Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 6):
Some assets will have to go..CO's Asian and Air Mike assets? Some of EWR? or IAD?..CLE is toast. IF it is the Asian assets, would/ could AMR pick them up?

Why would anything in Asia have to go ? IIRC UA/CO already are immunized on the Pacific/Asia routes with the only exclusion at the moment being USA - Beijing routes , and with plenty of unused USA- China frequencies ( who would have expected that a couple of years ago ) and AA starting BJS-ORD ( assuming that they ever actually get the slots they want ) I am not sure that really needs to be excluded any more .



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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1551 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 42363 times:

Quoting justloveplanes (Reply 7):
UA and CO have anti-trust immunity approved for TATL and I think provisional approval for Transpac.

They have international ATI all over the world except:

Any US airport-PEK
CHI/CLE/IAH/SFO-YYZ
IAH-YYC
NYC-YOW/GVA/LIS

Those are the only carveouts.

Quoting justloveplanes (Reply 7):
Probably not a problem.

  



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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 42272 times:

Are EWR and IAD the second and third largest transatlantic getaways? Just wondering if regulators would have a problem with this merger.

User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4416 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 42135 times:

As Chairman of the Bureau, I shall undoubtedly ensure all the CO cadres here and elsewhere are appropriately rallied in preparation for any merger of the Most Wonderful Airline.


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User currently offlineAdam T. From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 957 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 42140 times:

I to will be very disappointed to see Houston lose the HQ but it will be even worse to lose the HQ and the OPS center. It looks like more jobs will be lost in Houston than in Chicago and I agree not many people will not want to move.

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 41920 times:

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 6):
A big mistake to retain the United name..the implication is that UAL acquires CAL..Bad. CAL has worked so hard to get where they are, I just can't see the advantage of tossing to Continental name in the can.

International presence. UA is much more known in the far corners of the world than is CO. CO might as well be non-existent in Asia where UA is rather strong. UA is somewhat known in the South Pacific with its LAX-SYD/MEL flights. CO has CO Mike obviously but that's a rather small operation that doesn't serve any large population centers other than HNL and CNS. Both carriers have a similar presence in Europe and neither have any presence in Africa. Both also have a negligable presence in South America as well. I'm not knocking CO here, it's a great airline, but you're kidding yourself if you think it has the brand awareness abroad that UA does.

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 6):
And, with a Democratic Admin in DC, Im not so sure this will all wine and roses. Some assets will have to go..CO's Asian and Air Mike assets? Some of EWR? or IAD?..CLE is toast. IF it is the Asian assets, would/ could AMR pick them up?

I highly doubt it. DL didn't have to give anything up when it merged with NW and I don't see any significant overlap in operations in terms of geography with CO and UA, thus I don't see any potential anti-trust issues. As far as Asia is concerned, I don't think CO's Asian operations are large enough to warrant any concerns in terms of competition. Nevermind that most of UA's Asian routes are focused on ORD and the west coast whereas CO's Asian routes are focused on EWR and the east coast.



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User currently offlineadxmatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 954 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 41637 times:

Quoting Adam T. (Reply 13):
It looks like more jobs will be lost in Houston than in Chicago and I agree not many people will not want to move.

It's too early to decide to move or not to move with the new company.
What will the new salary be? Will there be a relocation package including assistance in selling/buying your home.
what is offered to leave the company?

With the difference in cost of living and the resulting higher salaries I'm surprised if they would not keep a presence in downtown houston.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 41606 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 14):
Both also have a negligable presence in South America as well.

Actually, UA had a respectable operation to South America, especially in the Southern Cone, in the past and its brand recognition still trumps Continental's.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 41597 times:
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Quoting 777STL (Reply 14):
CO has CO Mike obviously but that's a rather small operation that doesn't serve any large population centers other than HNL and CNS.

CNS ? A large population centre ?    Actually CO Mike serves a number of cities in Japan , any one of which I would be willing to bet is a larger population centre than CNS , nevertheless , I agree with your main point , which is that there is not really anything anti-competitive or monopolistic about this merger.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 41365 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 17):
CNS ? A large population centre ? Actually CO Mike serves a number of cities in Japan , any one of which I would be willing to bet is a larger population centre than CNS , nevertheless , I agree with your main point , which is that there is not really anything anti-competitive or monopolistic about this merger.

I was being generous and I had considered qualifying that comment, but yeah, how many people live in Cairns? 75,000? I hear what you're saying.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 41191 times:
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Personally I'm glad they're keeping the UA name and CO senior management.

I just hope the new airline stays with a true First Class product (at least to the major markets like SYD, NRT, LHR and FRA) in addition to Business Class / BusinessFirst.


User currently offlineHouStrategies From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 41123 times:

Aren't the majority of their fliers Americans going abroad? (foreigners tend to fly their own national airlines) Wouldn't that argue for the stronger domestic brand? Right now, CO can claim to be the top most admired US Airline for 9 years in a row according to Fortune. They have a huge collection of awards. (see p.4 of the profile here:
http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...ntent/company/profile/default.aspx )

All of which they will have to remove from their marketing when they switch names. Talk about chucking a valuable asset.


User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 41138 times:

VERY exciting!!! Between Delta and United, we will have two modern-day "Pan Am"s!!!!!!

I wonder what kind of effect this will have on American in the short-to-medium-term.


User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 41085 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 4):
the great state of TEXAS

Smartest comment I've seen on here in a long time! From a fellow TEXAN!


User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 40889 times:

I would be surprised if all unions agreed to this merger. Also, if Unions say no the feds are likely to block it.

User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 40894 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 14):
International presence. UA is much more known in the far corners of the world than is CO. CO might as well be non-existent in Asia where UA is rather strong. UA is somewhat known in the South Pacific with its LAX-SYD/MEL flights. CO has CO Mike obviously but that's a rather small operation that doesn't serve any large population centers other than HNL and CNS. Both carriers have a similar presence in Europe and neither have any presence in Africa. Both also have a negligable presence in South America as well. I'm not knocking CO here, it's a great airline, but you're kidding yourself if you think it has the brand awareness abroad that UA does.

I would actually say that internationally is where the two are equal; it is the US where UA really is more widely known. Outside of EWR, IAH, and CLE CO isn't a big player like UA is across the whole country. Yet CO serves ever continent that UA does and some more so than UA. Australia is probably the biggest area where CO doesn't have a significant presence. I mean Africa, UA just started so CO could easily make the change without a problem. Same goes for down under. Sure UA has a larger operation in Asia and in the Middle East but thats about it. And DL took DLs name when they took over NW and DL was almost nonexistent in Asia. Just my thoughts.

I would actually say from a marketing standpoint Continental would be a better name because of the impression that Continental gives of great service. Didn't CO win an award recently for their service? I thought I remembered reading something about that. If it were me, I would stay with Continental, but I am biased.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 14):
I highly doubt it. DL didn't have to give anything up when it merged with NW and I don't see any significant overlap in operations in terms of geography with CO and UA, thus I don't see any potential anti-trust issues. As far as Asia is concerned, I don't think CO's Asian operations are large enough to warrant any concerns in terms of competition. Nevermind that most of UA's Asian routes are focused on ORD and the west coast whereas CO's Asian routes are focused on EWR and the east coast.

I wouldn't be too sure. EWR and IAD are pretty close. With NYC being such a constrained market, I wouldn't be surprised if the government said something along the lines of you need to reduce service at EWR to ease congestion as you now have a reliever hub at IAD. Though they are about as far apart as CVG and DTW I don't think the comparison is the same. But I wouldn't be surprised if they got to keep everything either.



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25 rjpieces : Ditto! Best of both worlds....I am SO curious to see what changes they will make to the domestic product...Exciting times for us enthusiasts! I imagi
26 kiwiandrew : Would you care to share your reasoning ? They would have to have a reason for blocking it , unless I have seriously misunderstood how things work in
27 IADCA : Yeah, but the DOT granted that immunity. DOJ opposed it, and domestic mergers are DOJ's job - not to mention that the decisional standard of the Clay
28 Stitch : As UA has just completed their premium cabin update on their 767 and 747 fleets, they will stay unchanged. They're also supposed to be starting the 7
29 OA412 : Which is what I've been saying all along. There is no way, no how, this merged airline would have taken the CO name. Yes, CO did a good job of turnin
30 United1 : I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Y+ and DirectTV on every domestic aircraft. That's not exactly correct the DOJ did not oppose granting ATI they op
31 WROORD : Limited competition resulting in less choice for pax is always a good excuse.
32 N62NA : Does this mean that UA's p.s. service will finally be offered at EWR? (Or maybe even move from JFK to EWR)?
33 KITH : I think the big question is what will CO/UA have to give up in order to secure DOJ and FTC anti-trust approval? Will it remain to be worthwhile? How f
34 United1 : probably not...EWR-SFO/LAX are going to be hub to hub routes now and you actually want a decent amount of capacity on those routes in order to move p
35 Post contains images rjpieces : That would seem to combine the best elements of both airlines. They would probably replace the seats on the A-32X fleet to match Continental's curren
36 kiwiandrew : Would you care to say exactly how this merger is going to limit competition on anything other than a very small number of routes ? I am not saying th
37 ULMFlyer : Couldn't agree more. So what that United is a more recognizable brand? Shouldn't "brand recognition" be quality-adjusted? If so, would United still b
38 IADCA : True, they wanted to grant what was effectively simply adding CO to the previous ATI, instead of what happened. More poignantly, they wanted to retai
39 tommy767 : That's easy. Just most expressjet to IAD/CLE and keep EWR as primarily mainline hub with 737/757/A32S to all the business destinations: EWR-BOS/ATL/C
40 Antoniemey : I don't know exactly how far they got, but I remember it being publicly announced, then the DOJ demanding huge concessions in the DC area... then the
41 United1 : They would have to if they wanted to put in PTVs as UAs seats wont accommodate the current generation of screens. I would be shocked if they don't ad
42 KcrwFlyer : I hope to God CO ends up running this show......
43 IADCA : No, not at all. The economic effects to a consumer from an ATI grant are essentially the same as those of a merger. Precisely what the DOJ was worrie
44 United1 : I think we are in violent agreement..your talking about the reasoning behind it and I'm talking about the way that they were worried it could occur.
45 Post contains links tommy767 : Good video on GHP preparing to match UA's offer to keep UA/CO in IAH! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5jPPwRlcHc
46 caleb1 : If this merger happens, the CO LAX commuters at EWR and IAH will be very happy!!!!
47 GlobalCabotage : DOJ has no reason to not allow this. Chicago will be HQ and ORD will grow. Houston will be huge and IAH grow. Newark will be huge and EWR grow. San Fr
48 worldtraveler : You significantly underestimate the value of the FRANCHISE - the business that UA has built which is far more than just the route authorities which a
49 CALPSAFltSkeds : With a merger, it would be stupid to offer PS from JFK only. Is JFK that much more convenient than EWR and no one would think of taking PS from EWR?
50 C010T3 : I was talking about the MIA hub times, but you are right, today the operations are complementary.
51 avek00 : The merger will sail through antitrust review - there's simply nothing to block on antitrust grounds. At worst, there may be a few necessary guarante
52 United1 : Oh please not this line of reasoning from you again....JFK, LGA and DCA are all slot controlled airports and the DOJ did not have any requirement whe
53 TOLtommy : Ugh..... As someone else said, CLE is toast. I don't care what they say, there's just no way it fares any better than CVG....
54 United1 : I don't know about that...CLE only has around ~30 mainline flights a day right now. There is nothing saying that UA/CO won't keep it as a large focus
55 IADCA : Perhaps on the first part, although I don't think DOJ's concerns will go away - which is what I was really reacting to. Their concerns will perhaps b
56 FlyWhisperjets : He was saying that the Feds would step in if the unions tried to block the merger not the Feds would step in to block the merger! And yes the Feds do
57 Commavia : No I don't. The "franchise" would be worthless if AA - hypothetically - bought United's Asia operations and then, obviously, ditched the United name.
58 CALPSAFltSkeds : Since CLE has few mainline flights that mostly serve hubs, those flights will continue and mainline flights will exceed COs as the UA flights will be
59 FWAERJ : Hoping for FWA and/or SBN to IAD/EWR/DEN (pick at least one) out of this. Now that there will be more hubs for "Uninental" to choose, I wouldn't be su
60 kiwiandrew : Good point , I should have read the whole sentence .... and yes , I am aware that the feds do have a say ... but they still actually have to have a r
61 777fan : This is excellent news and from the way the two carriers have courted one another, it appears that they're well positioned to build upon the momentum
62 VC10er : United is by far the most powerful brand name globally. If the CO management can actually impact service and reputation and build on the few new thing
63 FlyWhisperjets : Good luck to all the United and Continental employees out there.........You guys are going to soar like an eagle!!!!
64 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : Thank you. I know we will, too.
65 USAirALB : CO could keep free meals in Y. But to save money: Cut "meal snacks" on flights under 3.25 hours ALB-CLE does not need a muffin and a banana and CLT-E
66 kgaiflyer : Whoa. Hold it right there. Some of you are not thinking. The Federal goverment funds *millions of dollars* in travel and O&D. If -- with all the
67 STT757 : Something to keep in mind, UA's P.S. 757s seat less passengers than CO's 737-500s. That would be a tremendous capacity cut if they were to switch fro
68 CIDflyer : with the impending announcement of CO/UA, how soon do we think we will see AA/US doing something together, be it US jumping to OneWorld or some kind o
69 FutureUScapt : If the DOT was going to make US give up 14 slots at DCA, when it holds a lower percentage of the slots than CO does at UA, then you can best bet that
70 sasd209 : Ahhh..to me that is the question..
71 AIRBORNE1 : Actually US stated this week they have no plans to jump away from Star Alliance. Douggie,say they making million already on the alliance even with CO
72 STT757 : The DOT just approved the slot swap between CO and FL which had CO acquire FL's EWR slots and gate, the DOT just approved CO acquiring more slots at
73 FlyWhisperjets : OH NO! If that happens then I will have to change how I fly to Europe.....No 777's out of IAD.....I dont think that would fly!!! Are you also saying
74 DZ09 : I wonder what the impact will be on the Onepass program, which in my opinion is the best frequent flyer program around. As a long time continental fre
75 tommy767 : That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying if the DOT gets strict with EWR slots and UA has to reduce capacity the first to go would be the mass a
76 MoMan : United name with Continental emblem = WIN. I'm excited to see how this will play out.
77 Post contains images FlyWhisperjets : As long as the keep mainline between MCO and IAD....I'm flying next month to FRA and it 's a 757 MCO-IAD.....Awhile back when the route was TED , It
78 United1 : UAs network, size and scope and hopefully service will be unmatched by any US legacy. Its going to be an incredible airline. I don't know if I would
79 jetlanta : Thats exactly what they will do. It won't be a big deal for UA/CO, but the precedent was set with DOT's DL/US case. The only possible way DOT allows
80 FutureUScapt : I think you quoted the wrong person - I never made those remarks. In fact, I happen to agree with you that *A is still the best fit for US and that U
81 T5towbar : That's true. B6 is the only LCC, and they will probably get a couple (or more) slots - mainly the old FL slots and more (and probably another gate or
82 IADCA : DOT doesn't review domestic airline mergers. DOJ does. While I'm sure they'll have input on the slot issues, the show is now run by DOJ. Thus, there'
83 AADC10 : What AA cannot get under open skies are 5th freedom rights out of NRT, still the most important market in Asia. Only UA and DL can pick up passengers
84 CALPSAFltSkeds : So there is no O&D out of EWR? Again, how much more convenient is JFK for West Coast passengers than EWR? The merged carrier could expand PS to E
85 Post contains images PacificClipper : Hopefully: (1) Expanding E+ across the CO fleet. The combined FF base will be very large, and everyone won't be able to upgrade to Business or First.
86 United1 : There is plenty of O&D out of EWR however as I said above P.S. works because it focuses on the O&D market not on the connecting market. If yo
87 doug_Or : This one always baffles me. DEN is over 800 miles from either IAH or ORD and has no overlap with either except as a trans-con stopover point. If UA w
88 dampfnudel : I'll miss the Continental name.
89 cws818 : What are you on about?
90 VC10er : There is so much speculation about both CO's and UA's South American network from the USA, but no factoring in TAM's Star entry. TAM is not a shabby r
91 C010T3 : JJ on a 777 to the USA is not happening anytime soon.
92 fxramper : will CO ff miles transfer to UA flights? I have 103k banked on CO right now and wouldn't mind booking on UA for Asia holiday. thank in advance.
93 lucky777 : Unmatched? That's a mighty big word. My guess is DAL will have something to say about that. Delta currently has 141 widebody international aircraft.
94 United1 : Your right I should have used a different word then unmatched but if you take a look at UA/CO vs DL/NW UAs network is quite a bit more balanced out h
95 mah4546 : AA - and all U,S, airlines - will have 5th freedom rights from Japan effective October 1, assuming that open skies goes through on schedule.
96 Post contains images OA412 : Most of us still haven't figured out if those are sarcastic posts or if he has a Kim Jung Il fetish.
97 MrSkyGuy : I'll miss the Continental name, and the Continental service, and the Continental legacy and the Continental Houston, and the... the list goes on. I wo
98 apodino : Am I the only person on here who thinks this is bad? In my opinion, the only people that benefit from a merger in this situation are the shareholders.
99 FlyNWA727 : I hate to be a repeater, but as some others have noted, I, too knew that the "United" brand would be retained. Despite all of the strides CO has made
100 Acey : Probably nothing.
101 BAW716 : It is no surprise that Continental and United are merging. The DL/NW deal sealed the way for these two carriers to figure out a way to work together a
102 huaiwei : Exactly my sentiments, which is a little strange coming from someone living on the other side of the planet. I have always had a soft spot for United
103 Post contains images Conti764 : Although CO management will probably run the airline, it still looks like UA has taken over CO. HQ at Chicago, the United brand,... Just a shame to se
104 avek00 : I will do all in my power to ensure all Continental cadres under my purview - namely all who participate in OnePass, particularly at an Elite level -
105 caljn : I hope we here Gordo's thoughts...Is this the end he envisioned when he turned the airline back from the brink?
106 EWRandMDW : Hope it's true! Ahhhhh, "Sweet home Chicago!"
107 Post contains images einsteinboricua : Let's hope history is kinder to them as opposed to Pan Am. One can only hope To merge would be to include operations of the airline, including fleet,
108 Post contains images caleeiii : It is no surprise that Continental and United are merging. The DL/NW deal sealed the way for these two carriers to figure out a way to work
109 Post contains images caleeiii : Another option:
110 EWRandMDW : I prefer the first version in reply 109 -- to me it looks more crisp and clean.
111 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Maybe a "true E+" with such things as PowerPorts, etc. With JV/ATI, 5th freedom rights might not even be needed. While DL/UA have 5th freedom rights,
112 Ronaldo747 : I ask myself: Why not making a new brand "United Continental Airlines"? Both brands would not disappeared but it signs a new beginning.
113 AAExecPlat : Too confusing from a brand perspective. Despite the small change, you lose a lot of the brand equity with consumers.
114 RJ111 : In sports they say, form is temporary, class is permanent. And something similar applies here. It'll be a shame to lose CO as a brand because they -
115 Jacobin777 : According to David Faber on CNBC, the exchange deal is going to be set at 1.05 and they aren't too worried about DOT, etc.
116 Post contains images United787 : I think this comes from an East coast view of the US geography! Many east coasters I run into think Chicago is in the middle of the country or even c
117 worldtraveler : as has been pointed out several times by other people, DL and NW did not both offer mainline service between NYC and each other's hubs; CO/UA does. M
118 Post contains images EMB170 : Also remember TX does not have a state income tax; IL does. Are you including the 41-strong CO 757 ETOPS fleet? They make up a significant chunk of C
119 rjpieces : Also, I'll throw out my prediction that (assuming US stays in the Star Alliance and the DL slot swap doesn't go through) United will move into the US
120 planespotting : While in a perfect world this is true, in reality, there are many more factors involved, most notable being the coffers of the principles involved wi
121 Conti764 : None of those will happen, I guess... It's safe to assume the entire Continental brand will disappear entirely, sadly enough...
122 Post contains links seriophoto : From Crain's Chicago Business: Chicago is expected to end up a big winner in the deal: The new airline would retain the United brand and have its head
123 mcdu : I believe it is 6 high capacity version B777's and the remainder are two class 767-300's that you want to throw out are the Hawaii birds. I don't thi
124 HNL-Jack : While I've never been a fan of UA's Tilton, after all he was an oil man that knew nothing about airlines and lacked the passion for the business most
125 revo1059 : Well on a completely selfish note, the reason I don't like it is because CO recognizes Amex Platinum cardholders for access to the lounge on an econom
126 Post contains images TWFirst : Amex will be doing its best to retain that agreement with the combined carrier. I guarantee it
127 planespotting : You're right. No one thinks that Glenn Tilton is a saint or anything approaching that (as far as I can tell, he doesn't really even seem like a nice
128 lucky777 : No i didn't. Nor did i include Delta's 64-strong 757 ETOPS fleet. I was simply comparing internationally-configured widebodies.
129 lucky777 : So they use 13 non-ER models for international service and the other 6 are strictly domestic. Thanks i didn't know that. As for Delta, they have a fl
130 chepos : I always find it sad to see another airline go into the history books. As much as I like DL I found it really sad to see the NWA brand go, apparently
131 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Funny, for the past 5-6 years I've been saying the same thing yet got nothing but flack from all the Tilton-haters.....(and they know who they are) A
132 N801NW : So, SHARES or Unimatic (Apollo) for the combines res system?
133 United1 : Why would it matter if it were mainline or regional? A slot is a slot... Selectively discarding part of an operation to make your point valid doesn't
134 United1 : Actually UA uses 14 763ERs in a two class configuration for Hawaii and intra hub flights. Here is the combined international fleet... 24 747-400 (plu
135 Post contains links Bistro1200 : First, I work for UA and I for one hope that this merger will "settle" the industry and lead to stability for the combined UA/CO and for the industry
136 N62NA : Surprised nobody has brought this up yet (at least in this thread): I wonder if EWR will see any of the 747-400s?
137 United1 : NRT maybe? UA has 6 744s parked and is in the process of pulling one out of the desert reconfiguring it and sending another one of the reconfigured a
138 planespotting : You just blew my mind with that western terminal stuff. I hadn't considered that. On the heels of an Elgin/O'Hare Expressway that actually goes to O'
139 DL WIDGET HEAD : I concur with your sentiment and will add that I wish good luck to the folks at UA as well. Just my opinion but me thinks this merger will not go as
140 N62NA : Well, that's what is a bit confusing to me. If CO management will be running the airline, and CO management has determined the 777 is enough plane fo
141 LHCVG : Tha was my interpretation as well. It always kind of seemed like DL had the upper hand, given that (assuming I read the stuff right) US is basically
142 Aloha717200 : I personally am not in favor of the Continental name disappearing, it's synonymous with class and quality, and I feel that CO is the last US airline t
143 Boston92 : Can someone direct me to a source that says CO management will be running the new airline? Smisek as CEO and Tilton as chairman does not translate as
144 N62NA : Look at the first post in this thread, or, to make it easier, here it is:
145 Boston92 : And...? You are making my point for me. There is more to management than just the CEO.
146 Post contains images huaiwei : For how long? Now very long compared to the history behind the "United" name. For all we know they might replace the dot on the "I" in United with th
147 United1 : The 777 is the right plane for COs route structure however UAs network has quite a few routes that can and do support a 744. There isn't a source out
148 Post contains links mcdu : For many of us old timers the name Continental is not synonymous with class and quality. It is synonymous with: Frank Lorenzo, Strikes, replacement w
149 yellowtail : CO (UA) will now become a big player at LHR. If LH can get BM back on its feet.....BA might jsut have its hands full with some real competition. CO/UA
150 Aloha717200 : Thank you, actually that was a subject that fascinated me for a good many years so I'm aware of the history behind it, but generally I'm referring to
151 Post contains links sidishus : For the COA employees who have been at the airline from the dark times of Lorenzo and before, its a melancholy end to a long, hard slog. They struggle
152 ElBandGeek : I'm not so sure of that. CO already fits in T1 and it seems to be doing ok. The western terminal, in my eyes, seems destined as an O&D facility l
153 ULMFlyer : I sure hope you're right. I had forgotten this detail, but it's always been a factor for my family and I in choosing CO. And please let this be the l
154 AADC10 : There would obviously be O&D at EWR but hub to hub would need greater lift than the low capacity p.s. 757s can provide. The p.s. 757s seats 110,
155 worldtraveler : because it has to do with market share that each carrier has...and that IS a funciton of the size airplane each carrier uses. When the merger is anno
156 N62NA : OK. I don't want to pick a fight with you. We'll see what happens.
157 tommy767 : That's about right. Something like this on EWR-LAX 1x 777, 1x 763, 2x 757, 1x 739, 1x738, 1x A320 if I had to use my imagination. SFO same deal with
158 CO767FA : Ah yes .....the ugly head of the "old timers" - time to retire.
159 mah4546 : Roughly 65% of the size of AA at GRU and around 25% the size of AA at EZE. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way.
160 Conti764 : What's the point of retaining the name United if you drop the 'tulip' which came synonymous for UA?
161 Post contains images ewrkid : Well NRT for sure, I could see FRA, defff TLV for sure to directly compete with DL on there JFK-TLV route Ahh if this merger goes through let the 2 l
162 United1 : I wasn't the one who said that but your right that UA and CO seem to fit alright in T1. The issue with expansion at ORD isnt so much that there isn't
163 hiflyer : FIrst off....IMHO this has not been under planning for days or weeks...try years. All the changes made by both carriers in the past 2-4 years have bee
164 DC8FanJet : United is the aquiring company. At today's prices. UA stockholders will own 53% of the combined airline.
165 mcdu : Not the ugly head my friend. You can not change history and that is what truly happened at CO. Life at CO did not begin at Bethune. It had a good sta
166 MasseyBrown : Are they making any money in DEN? That is the important question. The two largest members of an oligopoly almost never battle. UA and DL will accommo
167 Alias1024 : I think you miss the mark on all of these except possibly the change in leadership. It may be true that the board didn't think Mr. Kellner had the gu
168 hiflyer : Alias thanks for your thoughts but remember UA only has arranged for a portion of their workforce for downtown and has not put forward definitive plan
169 tommy767 : The new CO business first seat and the UA first class seat look extremely similar. It's not a question in my mind that they were working together on
170 planespotting : It was hardly in their back pocket. It may have brought CO back to the bargaining table, but the US/UA talks were called off/broke down last week. UA
171 Post contains links MattRB : UA/CO have reportedly agreed to an exchange ratio: http://bit.ly/amrO7p
172 CO767FA : Thanks for proving my point about UA and the bad blood that they created between the two carriers- you might want to consider early retirement.
173 Alias1024 : Reports are that UA/US were to the point that they were discussing the timing of the announcement, and that's what provoked the unusual announcement
174 sidishus : This ain't gonna be pretty.... Say what you will, but at least COA hasn't had videos made famous on youtube about crappy customer service mcdu. What
175 tommy767 : And per a CNBC interview from earlier this month Gordon believes that consolidation with UA is right for CO.
176 Macsog6 : Let us look at this from a political POV. Chicago is the big winner here over Houston. Obama is from Chicago, Bush is from Texas. This goes through l
177 sidishus : Nobody is disputing that. Mind you, under his tenure (when I was working there) COA was literally just one phone call away from merging with DAL.
178 Post contains images CALPSAFltSkeds : Try this one. I'd really want to use the White Tulip, then add the CO globe's blue and gold lines within the white tulip. Hoever, I think the gold li
179 tommy767 : I remember. 1998-ish?
180 Antoniemey : They could resurrect the "Proud Bird With the Golden Tail" slogan with that design... I think to make the globe work inside the tulip it would have t
181 relaxitsfedex7 : Well if this merger goes through (which I pray it does). We will finally get to see a Boeing 737 back in united's fleet. And for the Airbus a350 i hop
182 ebj1248650 : Personally, I'm against it, but then I've been against the merging of aircraft manufacturers too. Continental is a great airline. United is no shabby
183 Post contains images Airport : To those saying integrating the CO logo with the tulip...something like this? [Edited 2010-04-30 18:16:45]
184 Post contains images airborn757300 : I think you have nailed it! If this is going to happen, I think that's a hot look for a company logo.
185 United1 : Awesome job airport...that looks incredible.
186 Aloha717200 : That is gorgeous.
187 PWMRamper : Simply amaaaaaaazing. I like.
188 OneSkyJet : Responding to Commavia's comments, almost all of which are wrong: 1) AA could not replicate UA's network, particularly at NRT where not only is the ma
189 Post contains images Airport : Basing off the things people seem to want and like, here is a livery and some variations to go with that logo above... Tell me what you think! Cheers
190 RIDGID727 : As a CO employee, & if this should all happen, I hope they resurrect "the Freindly Skies of Your Land, United Airlines" and provide support and t
191 laphroig : Positively Brilliant. Any of them. I think I like the gold tail. Can we see a 787???????
192 mah4546 : The market will be open starting October 1st. And while the details of what will "open" are up in the air, the thought that Japan will finally allow
193 FutureUScapt : Not really, IAD-GIG service operated about 21 days in the past year, though your point is well taken that there isn't really a substantial difference
194 HorizonGirl : Wow! I love the second one with the gold tail. It's easier to see the CO portion and the colours contrast nicely. I think it would look stunning in r
195 Post contains links 777fan : For anyone that cares, Morningstar provided an analysis of the merger to be as well as a timeline which highlights the UA-CO courtship. They made some
196 CALPSAFltSkeds : Thanks for the work on the logo and 747. They sure look nice. Love the small golden tulip next to the name - nice font. For my taste, I'd like the gl
197 thegooddoctor : Wow, this has been a bad couple of years. NWA was my airline, but (especially due to elite benefits) I was able to fly COA almost as much. ...so my tw
198 SHAQ : Helluva. Im a little scared really , by this merger. I really don't know why , I feel stupid. lol Airport. You have good designs, but I really dont l
199 Post contains images CALPSAFltSkeds : How about the top one? A more crude adaptation of Airport's design (below) with gold and white tulip. The top one has a bit more of the globe showing
200 LipeGIG : That was more due to the crisis. Flights were 60 to 70% and to add the flight to GIG would be not so good for UA. This year probably the flight will
201 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Whoa! Anthony, you outdid yourself
202 Post contains images 9252fly : #2 is simply elegant and classy!
203 9252fly : How about a slogan to go with it. "Uniting the World".
204 Aloha717200 : Airport, I personally like the two larger tail tulips the best, both the white and the gold. But, for curiosity's sake, could you replace that grey ch
205 Post contains images Airport : Thank you all for the wonderful words! I was very pleasantly surprised to read all of the positive and constructive feedback! Perhaps something like t
206 CALTECH : Sounds like one of the United employees that ran United into bankruptcy, a whole company of Lorenzos. What a demise of a great and worldly airline th
207 MX757 : And now this "Lorenzo" ran company is in the drivers seat. I will also add that a "Lorenzo" crony will be the CEO of this merged airline. Seems poeti
208 Aloha717200 : Airport, OK, thanks for humouring me, after looking at that combo it seems to clash a bit so I'd say eliminate the gold cheatline, keep the three tone
209 caljn : I'm not so sure. If I were a Continental employee who participated in the great turn around and proud of the airline that resulted, would I be so ent
210 Post contains images Airport : What do you mean by "torqued tulip?" Is that a reference that I didn't catch, or is the "torqued tulip" a name for a new United logo which has not be
211 Post contains images rampart : I liked, loved, the earlier ones. These examples look too much like something from the Persian Gulf. TOO much. -Rampart
212 mcdu : Perhaps you don't remember. The contract we received was signed by the CEO. If he wasn't able to pay the rates he had agreed to he should not have si
213 CALPSAFltSkeds : Anthony, thanks for your hard work. What program do you use? I prefer the one you posted on reply 205. I like the more prominent globe showing throug
214 justloveplanes : Worth repeating what others and I have said several times. As a 1K united and former CO platinum elite, I can say United USED to be bottom of the bar
215 CALTECH : Remember it as all of United going after Continental. The best karma story was the United DC-10 landing at Denver Stapleton, and the United pilot ann
216 AT : If this is a true merger, would it make sense to have a name that somehow retains the identity of both airlines? For e.g., ____________; a United-Cont
217 Post contains links and images Conti764 : I'd keep the globe of Continental on the tail, albeit in a more moderate color combination. Not because I'm a fan of Continental, but because that glo
218 joeman : You in the way I'm paying about $150.00 less for a round trip CLE-IAH in June on DL as opposed to privilege of using the "dominance" CO option at the
219 Post contains images CALTECH : UNICAL UNICO, UNICOA, UNICORN,............ Nice renderings.
220 DL WIDGET HEAD : PREDICTION: There is NO WAY that the new airline will combine logo's or use the CO world logo in part. It's either going to be the tulip or something
221 727lover : So what happens to Continental Micronesia? Is it United Micronesia, or will they keep the CO name on that small operation?
222 joeman : Pardon my above post: Do you mean in the way I'm paying about $150.00 less for a round trip CLE-IAH in June on DL as opposed to the privilege of usin
223 Post contains links and images Conti764 : My final design:
224 Airport : After reading and studying logo design and branding blogs for the last few years in various industries, I completely agree. I can't think of a compan
225 United1 : I'm sure it is on the forefront of everyones mind...did they happen to drop any details about what the new branding might be?
226 joeman : And should IAH and EWR pay a premium for such a similar sacred benefit?
227 STT757 : DL tried twice to merge with CO, first in 1996 and then again in 1998. The second time around is when Gordon made the deal with NWA, CO formed a part
228 Post contains images STT757 : I like that a lot
229 Post contains images rampart : I have one reply: -Rampart
230 elbandgeek : airport, those mockups are really nice although I'm not a fan personally of the gold (just don't like the color in general). I think the current trico
231 ULMFlyer : This is actually very, very good. I still like the gray belly livery better. Makes it more distinct from Delta's too. I wonder how they'd look with t
232 Post contains images CALPSAFltSkeds : So, DL can explode and twist their logo to the NorthWest like NW's triangle, use the new red widget instead of the upside down NW red triangle next t
233 Post contains links caleeiii : http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...?id=106214&filename=php4kbjGu.jpeg Absolutely beautiful! Perfect.
234 Post contains images CALPSAFltSkeds : Something like this, but not as refined as Anthony's. The CO gold line is narrower on current aircraft. While I like it and would be real easy to con
235 9252fly : How does the globe transpose onto the second image? The gold colour appears nicer in a darker shade,not sure if the globe would work with it though.
236 FlyNWA727 : I'm sorry, I guess I'm the odd ball out here ... I'm not a fan of any of these designs. To me, radically changing the United brand image would be tant
237 CODC10 : Agreed. Ditching the entire United brand for some garish hybrid would defeat the purpose of keeping it in the first place.
238 Antoniemey : Because TWA was either going to get bought by AA or go out of business and be chopped up for parts. CO is perfectly capable of continuing on as a com
239 MX757 : Good question. I wish I had an answer for it. Since Air Mic is a subsidary of CO I would assume it would take the United name also. We will probably
240 DocLightning : DL had the new logo long before the merger was announced. But I do hope that CO gets rid of this UA identity and starts fresh. I'm not too optimistic
241 Boston92 : For one thing, it has already been stated that that will not happen (the opposite, actually). Secondly, here is this idea that CO will be running the
242 MX757 : Do you think you are the only one that was screwed over by Lorenzo? Don't blame CO for what Lorenzo did to you. He screwed us a lot harder than you c
243 Post contains links and images Airport : Okay, last picture, I promise...I wanted to see what my livery would look like on a real plane. Original photo: View Large View MediumPhoto © Zhang Y
244 fun2fly : Let's think about $$ here, the goal of merging the two airlines. If CO has 350 (or so) mainline jets in good paint shape (plus about 10 at BFI waiting
245 SoBe : I mean no offense to you and all your work but I had actually been unimpressed with these liveries. That said, for me, seeing this image is a winner.
246 Post contains images Airport : No offense taken. Glad you liked the picture, it's so far the best representation of the basic idea I had in mind. I've long believed the simple temp
247 Aloha717200 : I agree, seeing that livery in the real world makes a ton of difference, and it's quite beautiful. Very classy.
248 ltbewr : Like many, I do not like this merger for a variety of reasons. As we move to fewer airlines, there will be less competition on price - one of the key
249 9252fly : Your passion and hard work is I'm sure appreciated by those with a passion for aviation. The last post showing a before and after real life picture a
250 Post contains images kgaiflyer : In the spirit of merging *both* liveries equitably, I like this design the best -- with one possible reservation. There is something about the serif
251 Macsog6 : Whilst I agree with your wishes, I suspect those events will occur when A.net has a section of photographs under the category "Pigs" - as in "when pi
252 SHAQ : Why just CO/UA operate as AF/KLM ?? Two brands , but can benefit by economies of scale. Same a/c orders , same , same suppliers. It is a good idea to
253 Post contains links EWRCabincrew : The latest here: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/6986235.html Maybe even an unofficial word tonight.
254 HouStrategies : I think the reason that was done was because of complex air service treaties between France and various countries and the Dutch and various countries
255 MrSkyGuy : I don't typically quote an entire post--usually just the section I'm responding to--but you've said it all right here. I get the impression that this
256 Post contains links and images DL WIDGET HEAD : That kind of echoes what at least one CO pilot is thinking (and no doubt others): http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7418043
257 United1 : COs pilots union hasn't put out a position yet, UAs has stated that they are for a merger with CO and against one with US. This also isn't a shotgun
258 CALPSAFltSkeds : We'll just have to wait on what is going to happen and trust that CO isn't getting buffaloed. But, the media is saying CO is caving on the HQ location
259 Post contains links FL787 : Looks like it's going to happen:
260 Post contains links FL787 : Why won't it let me post a link? Maybe this will work. Click on the WSJ article: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=UAUA Work hard, it's time to fly right.
261 Post contains links STT757 : UA board approves deal, CO's board meeting this afternoon; http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/03/business/03merger.html?src=busln
262 Post contains images MrSkyGuy : It's not a "done deal" yet.. let's see what comes out of these meetings and hope for a surprise. I for one, hope that UAL and COA decide to keep goin
263 ual777 : That happened in the 80s get over it. Most UA employees have no idea what you are talking about. Fares need to come up. What else are the employees s
264 MrSkyGuy : That "public" you are referring to isn't stupid, even if they aren't economists. The flying public will quickly look for alternative means of travel,
265 Post contains links Stitch : It looks like CO's Board also approved the deal. The deal is planned to be announced tomorrow.
266 avek00 : Some details: *Jeff Smisek, chairman, CEO and president of Houston-based Continental, will be CEO of the merged carrier and will have offices in Houst
267 ual777 : WN's costs are on the rise. Mark my words: in the next 36 months they will be facing very large challenges.
268 STT757 : Thanks, where does this information come from?..
269 EA CO AS : Houston Chronicle online
270 airfrnt : Ah, the usual "don't give congress anything to bitch about" drivel. Doubtful. According to the percentages, United as of last year was almost the same
271 United787 : Great news, congratulations to United & Continental, the network of the new United will be incredible! It will be what PanAm should have been but
272 huaiwei : Did CO ever declare Guam as a hub (unless we are talking about Continental Micronesia), and did UA call NRT a hub too?
273 drerx7 : What about when you add the UA traffic at IAH?
274 FutureUScapt : By what metric? This summer CO will average 680 daily departures at IAH and UA will average just 617 at ORD. IAH has historically been the 3rd larges
275 Stitch : UA might consider it their "Asian hub" since they do fly to multiple cities throughout Asia from there. They usually call cities with a single interc
276 thegreatRDU : This is good, the industry needs consolidation.... CLE is history... The hubs complement each other nicely... US will scramble to find somebody... Lik
277 FL787 : Also IAH has 50-60 more mainline flights than ORD so the seat count difference is pretty big. UA at ORD is actually now the 6th largest hub in the US
278 airfrnt : According to a recent article, UA was a 685 (I kid you not) at ORD, and projected to grow more. DFW is only recently a single hub airport. ATL hasn't
279 surfandsnow : Not necessarily. UA and CO both have a lot of history in CLE, much like DL and NW at MEM, which has not only been kept but actually built up after th
280 WNCrew : Is that 600+ "actual" United flights? Or does that include the other separate companies who fly for United?
281 CIDflyer : could have sworn I had see UA at ORD with about 630 daily flights. IAH was over 700 at one point, it was (or is) the 3rd largest single airline hub op
282 surfandsnow : All I know is that those ExPlus CR7s and E170s will be a very welcome upgrade in EWR and IAH from the little ERJs that fly all the regional routes no
283 MX757 : From the AP article: Two airlines started by the same man over 80 and 75 years ago combine to form the world's largest airline. Ironic isn't it?
284 STT757 : Any word on where maintenance bases, flight attendant training, pilot training etc..would be located?..
285 Post contains links HouStrategies : An April 20, 2010 quote from a UA press release: "This summer, United will offer more than 615 weekday departures from Chicago to more than 140 citie
286 huaiwei : I think the "gateway" thing is rather apt, but I hope UA does not do the DL/NW thing of calling NRT a "hub". What a tiny hub is must be then in compa
287 Post contains links FutureUScapt : Those 680 and 617 numbers are based on June/July numbers. UA is more likely at about 585 dept at ORD right now, as they are in the midst of ramping u
288 surfandsnow : Actually, since NRT exclusively handles very large aircraft, the daily passenger throughput is surprisingly high relative small hubs like CLE and MEM
289 Post contains links sidishus : Whoever believes that concentrating the combined airline into the old Sears Tower is a good idea, should rethink their plan....especially in light of
290 C010T3 : I think it's kind of amazing. The combined airline really should run an ad announcing the merger using that fact and what it represents not only for
291 Post contains images MX757 : CO maintenance hasn't heard a word from the company and our union says that CO management hasn't contacted them. We have a lot of worried people hear
292 deltal1011man : good luck man. I really really hope they don't go with UA's MX ideas(Ie ship it all out)
293 MrSkyGuy : True.. both are bottlenecked enough as it is.
294 Boston92 : Hmm, that doesn't sound correct. Oh, that's because it isn't.
295 tommy767 : I'm thinking of how EWR's terminal C is going to change. Eventually having all UA banners up and gate displays that will say "United: It's time to fly
296 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Oh? Is that what they do at the SFO MX base?
297 Post contains images deltal1011man : Which is why they want to sell it. No your right i'm sorry. Ship 95% of it out. Remind me who does all of UAL C/D checks? hint, not UAL. (where CO st
298 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Settle down guy. Good MX is good MX. Enjoy the merger.
299 deltal1011man : no worries, i'm just sayin UA likes to ship it out(most of the time) while CO likes to keep everything save the D checks in house. On hopes they stic
300 United1 : While UA doesn't do D checks and I think they do very few if any C checks they do quite a bit in house. SFO does PW engine overhauls as well as until
301 Boston92 : Nice try. You're trying to make some huge point because UA has Korea do the C/D checks, obviously making CO so much better because they only outsourc
302 Post contains images deltal1011man : No I was pretty much saying I hope no one ends up on the street and your the one turning it into a pissing match dude. Oh yea I'm sure its because CO
303 United1 : I forgot about the HNL hanger...I guess I should have phrased my question better...what is is they do in their hangers...ie UA does line mtc (A and B
304 deltal1011man : shot in the dark but i believe most of the heavy/*extra* work is done in HOU and MCO (when i say *extra* I mean LiveTV/Lie-flats ect.)
305 Post contains images Boston92 : Actually, that's not even close to what you said. You said you hope they don't go with UA's MX ideas. I found that as a stupid comment, personally, f
306 CODC10 : CO does 737 heavy maintenance in-house. 757/767/777 Heavy-C checks are farmed out overseas. It is possible that a combined CO-UA will have enough 757
307 MX757 : CO maintenance in house: All narrow body heavy checks are performed in house at HOU, IAH, and MCO. We do segmented C checks that incorporate the D che
308 Bralo20 : I like it though I like the current United font better then tht old school font you are using, it seems so outdated, but otherwise, wonderfull!
309 Post contains links and images Bralo20 : Pressrelease about the merger: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...class-global-airline-92652809.html And check the new logo
310 deltal1011man : which is why some carriers like DL,AA,CO do it in house.......because your just that much more smarter than they are.(ugh look at me sticking up for
311 Post contains images AustrianZRH : Regarding the livery: on united.com they just took a CO plane and wrote United on the front fuselage, using the CO font. Somehow, I don't believe that
312 Post contains links ATLflyer : Check this out already: www.united.com
313 Post contains images Bralo20 : The new logo:
314 Post contains links AustrianZRH : http://www.unitedcontinentalmerger.com/snapshots#/0 Obviously, it will...
315 deltal1011man : New thread time Mods
316 jetskipper : Yeah, it's confirmed. United name with Continental's logo.
317 Bralo20 : I like the new logo though I still liked the current "united" font better.
318 Post contains links Type-Rated : Just heard it on the news, the new airline will use the Continental livery & logo with the United name. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=
319 EA CO AS : I can actually live with that.
320 tpaewr : sigh of relief, something of CO survives.....thank God! I LOVE LOVE LOVE our globe on the tail. That said the word "united" look AWFUL in that (our) f
321 EA CO AS : The "U" is a large lowercase one - had they gone with a capitalized one it would look stunning.
322 Post contains links SA7700 : Please continue your discussion on this topic in the following thread: UA & CO Merge! Any posts made in this thread after the threadlock, will be
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