LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22025 posts, RR: 51 Posted (3 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 25892 times:
Not much details, but sounds like after a few years of losses the carriers is no longer in the position/or need for more 777s.
Wonder what aircraft the 777 deposits will be used for. More 737s, or new 787s?
Quote: Israel's El Al cancels order of 4 Boeing 777 jets
TEL AVIV, April 29 (Reuters) - El Al Israel Airlines (ELAL.TA) said on Thursday it is canceling its order with Boeing Co (BA.N) to buy four 777-200 jets.
"Since the agreement with Boeing was signed in 2008 and the global crisis occurred in world markets there have been substantial changes in the aviation sector," El Al Chief Executive Eliezer Shkedi said.
The airline also said its advance payment for the planes, which it did not disclose, would be credited toward future purchases of aircraft.
AirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 1906 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23322 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 7): There goes what was looking like the last chance RR had to build more Trent 800s.
I guess that depends on how far out delivery was meant to be, Boeing seem relaxed, so I presume they'll be replaced on the delivery line by 77Ws, rather than Boeing being stuck with 77Es...
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PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 691 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 22802 times:
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 10): I guess that depends on how far out delivery was meant to be, Boeing seem relaxed, so I presume they'll be replaced on the delivery line by 77Ws, rather than Boeing being stuck with 77Es...
Unless placed with another airline. Could be coincidence, but another Trent 800 operator recently extended it's 777-200ER registration sequence by four.
AirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 1906 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 18793 times:
With SQ selling some of their T800 powered 777-200ERs, wouldn't they be a better bet for an airline needing extra capacity before the 787 or A350 arrive than new birds?
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rjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 18581 times:
Interesting.....I was expecting them to go with 77Ws to start replacing their 747-400s....I guess we will have to wait to see what they replace them with!
jfk787nyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 808 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 18540 times:
No way!!!!! I expect an immediate order of the A330 or even the A380
It seems the Israelis are starting to position themselves away from the USA to show that in the last 1 year things have changed and Israel is not obligated to do what the USA tells it too. Mr. Obama has no idea what Israel was doing for the USA during the last 50 years that a company like EL AL was obligated to only order and only fly Boeing.
Well, Things are over now! Besides Mr. Sarkozy in the last 1 year has shown more interest in Israel's well being then the American's have.
I am pretty confident that EL AL will order Airbus, Mr. Obama is one of those people who assumes a company like EL AL was receiving Boeing planes on US Tax Payer money.
Israel's Gross Domestic Product is $207 Billion USD this year with a population of 7 Million people. That's $30'000 USD per person yearly,
Where if you take a country like Russia for instance it is half of that per person.
I personally believe this is a poltical situation!
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26690 posts, RR: 83 Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 16772 times:
Well if LY is buying Airbus, they're also buying Boeing because the money already paid to Boeing for the four 77Es will be applied to a future Boeing purchase.
aeropiggot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 280 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14718 times:
[quote = LAXintl, la r
Quoting jfk787nyc (Reply 19): I personally believe this is a poltical situation!
This is a real stretch, to try to confuse a business decision, with your own political position is sad. Israel will continue to be one of the US closest allies, and El Al one of Boeing's most loyal customers. If husband and wife can have augments, then why the hell can't friends!!
A scientist discovers that which exists, an engineer creates that which never was.
ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2220 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14719 times:
Quoting jfk787nyc (Reply 22): Why would the A380 be too much plane for them?
Instead of four 777's they could purchase 2 A380's for there flights to the USA.
They could sustain a A380 for there routes to:
JFK, LHR, CDG and even DME
Well, you've got four destinations there and you'd need four planes, so two A380's won't do it.
Yes, I know you weren't speaking literally one for one. You may be right, I was just stating my opinion that I would be surprised by an A380 in El Al colours. Never say never though, right?
25 originalblis: I'm curious as to where you all think El Al was going to use these planes. Were they going to increase frequency (to which destinations), increase cap
26 413X3: I would think the 777-200LR is the perfect aircraft for them. They would be able to fly nonstop to any destination, I am sure some of their routes hav
27 ea772lr: I see these becoming 789s. Perhaps they can lease some of SQ's 77E's for interim lift, then take 789s later this decade. I think the 789 would be per
28 tommyy: I think it was a business decision, LY does not retire a aircraft from passenger service only until they have used it to the max, look at their 767's
30 413X3: They just received their first -400F, an ex Singapore Cargo airplane
31 SXDFC: Didn't know that, are there any pics of her?
32 jfk787nyc: How do you figure this? We are positioning ourselves in a different direction. Obviously for the last 50 years EL AL did not fly anything but US Made
33 TeamAmerica: Now I get it...this is what you mean by "Chutzpah". First, I think this was a business decision and has nothing to do with politics, much as you migh
34 psimpson: See below link from another site http://www.tapuz.co.il/Forums2008/Vi...rumId=1151&MessageId=140906334&r=1
35 Stitch: They can start by not accepting all the billions of dollars in aid we give them every year. That way, they can not only order Airbus commercial aircr
36 hamster: I think everyone is reading into this a little bit. We are in a global economic meltdown. Greece is needs to be bailed out and reports of Portugal/Spa
37 EL-AL: I think that by canceling this order El Al will have a problem an the near future. 3 out of 5 LY's B744s (4X-ELA, ELB & ELC) were built in 1994/5.
38 trex8: vast majority of US grant aid to Israel is to finance 1/4 of the Israeli military budget, that aid cannot be spent outside the US and is usually desi
39 AirNZ: Which in many ways it was, when looked realistically (and factually) that the 'aid/assistance' given for years was entirely dependent on specific con
40 todaReisinger: For the time being, a retired 767 has been put back into service... Maybe the next step will be to bring back some 707s. According to the El Al scale
41 413X3: Those 747-200's were only retired a year or so ago from passenger service
42 EL-AL: The last 742 was retired from passenger service in october 2005, that's almost 5 years now.
44 Viscount724: Passenger aircraft seldom operate at their maximum weights, and LAX-TLV is well within 772ER range. CO has been using the 772ER EWR-HKG for years and
45 todaReisinger: El Al kept the 742s in passenger service for too many years. Those planes were old, noisy, unpopular and plagued with technical problems - which mean
46 LY777: LY is not the only airline that flies ageing 767s. But I agree with you, I don't like flying them because they are now too old[Edited 2010-05-01 15:05
47 LXA340: All the management LY had until now seem to be useless. The airline with it's aproxcimately 30 planes could be run as a exclusive quality airline...an
48 PA515: This appears to be correct. Found a press report on the March 2008 thread that all four LY 200ER's were for 2012 delivery and SV will receive four 30
49 LY777: LY is now negiotiating on 4 787s instead of the 777s http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3883792,00.html
50 jfk787nyc: great did they not cancel a order for 4 787's two years ago? Why can't they just lease 8 planes.
51 LY777: 2 years ago, they cancelled the option they had for 10 787s
52 LXA340: 4 787's are too little, they would need at least 6-8 in order to replace all B767's and having space for possibly expansion. I guess the ideal and mos
53 LY777: I would say: 5 744F 5 77W 6 772 10 787 15 737NG
54 EL-AL: I think that's way too much. El Al is a small airline, I think that they need: 2 B744F (they only had 2 B742Fs till 2009, AXF & AXH). 2-3 B77W/B7
55 originalblis: There is going to be quite a wait for the 787s. I realize that buying 4 777s is quite an investment but doesn't relying on 787s limit the company's gr
56 jfk787nyc: Yes, I cannot figure out this business logic. It is def better, easier and cost efficient to just Lease planes instead of purchasing Used ones. Espec
58 LXA340: Probably the cheapest option for EL AL would be to have an all Airbus fleet. They would have significantly lower costs for maintenance and cockpit cre
59 LY777: Why? They have an all-Boeing fleet. They would have had to get rid of their (relatively) new 737NGs and 77Es, ie 20 a/c. Their 763s may be newer, but
60 LY777: Talking about LY 777s, ECD is now equipped with AVOD. The oldest 3 777s (ECA/ECB/ECC) will soon follow
61 LXA340: Firstly LY will never do that, however with a fleet size of LY an all Airbus fleet could be very lucrative. They would have significant savings in co
62 LY777: hi! this will never happen as the new C seat on the 744s don"t have a remote for the PTVs
63 Stitch: Once they spent a mint on new simulators, flight bags and FOCOMS, of course.
64 LY777: Except the fact that only ECE and ECF have mood lights
65 LXA340: That doesn't matter at alll, they can be added. The Remotes on the B772's will need to be exchanged anyway as they are not compatible for the new sys
66 LY777: They don't use them on daylight flight. For CDG flights, they use them usually on LY324, but not opn LY323... I didn't know that. That's interesting.
67 lijnden: LY is financially not very well off at the moment and I wouldn't be surprised that the cancelation of the T7's have something to do with that. Togethe
68 LXA340: In case they would change the PTV's in the B744's they would obviously change the tv screens as well as colour / graphically they are not compatible
69 originalblis: What kind of a difference in efficiency and maintenance costs is there between a used aircraft and a brand new one? I understand that LY is not well
70 LY777: I was talking about C Class, only (and F of course...)
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