B737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 891 posts, RR: 5 Posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 17422 times:
I edited & uploaded some very rare footage (with permission) from my friend Craig Pilkington's VHS collection. This was taken in 1991 when a CV-880 was being ferried from Mojave, CA to Atlantic City, NJ to be used as a Fire Trainer. Here is some footage that we dusted off and upconverted to 720p HD .
This is an interior tour video of N807AJ (cockpit & passenger seats)
SDF880 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16907 times:
I enjoyed that time sooooo much! My only regret is I did not take very many pictures. I rode most of the TWA and Delta 880's back in the 60's and early 70's. My parents worked for TW and DL and I used to pass ride as much as I could.
The 880's were noisy, smoky, fast and just about the coolest plane for me to ride on. I now live and work in Louisville and my first passenger jet ride thru SDF was on a TW CV-880 1965 CVG-SDF-STL. Not to hard to figure out where my airliners.net name came from.
4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3091 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16637 times:
I became a fan of the 880 about 1993. I have been kicking myself since then that I'd just missed seeing this exact flight. I know it makes me the biggest geek in history, but I'd spent way too much time dreaming about what that takeoff looked like (as well as the interior). I'd followed the Lost Birds/Scroggins restoration project from its birth, when I swore to drive to Mojave even to see it taxi to its sad ending.
This video, pathetic as it sounds, filled a void in me. It almost made me feel like I was there. Thank you thank you thank you!!
That may have been the coolest bit of video I've ever seen. I'd make one correction though. It says it is "ultra rare" video. It is one of a kind, unique, and the time machine that can take airliner geeks like myself to a place I'd wanted to go back to for so long.
B737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 891 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16584 times:
SDF880, what a fortunate way to grow up! You know what's great about it too is that you appreciated those planes at the time even being that young, some people seem to really start appreciating planes long after they're gone.
4holer, you made my day buddy! You are far from the "biggest geek in history", you have a love and an appreciation for an amazing aircraft and I'm so glad it filled in that void for you! That really makes my day and I will pass along all your kind words later today to my friend Craig who shot this. I'm thrilled that it made you feel as if you were there, that is so awesome!
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12956 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16405 times:
Can I add to everyone else's thanks for sharing these videos; I have always had a great interest in the old Convair jets, but unfortunately never got a chance to fly in one. (The only ones I ever got to see in service were the Spantax ones, when it flew 990s to Dublin on IT charters in the early 1980s.)
clydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16192 times:
Thanks for posting the video's. It's great to see the aircraft all fired up and flying after all those years in storage.
If we could only have SmellCam as well then we could really experience the event as if we were there.
Thanks for posting my all time favourite aircraft!
boeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16051 times:
Can I add to everyone else's thanks for sharing these videos; I have always had a great interest in the old Convair jets, but
Quoting IFlyTWA (Reply 13): Does anyone know if Ship 13 is still intact at ACY?
Quoting B737-112 (Reply 4): The bottom one shows it's not in great shape, and that pic was taken a few years ago so I don't know what's happened since then.
Ship #1 is a cockpit in ALT
Ship #3 is a cockpit in NJ
Ship #23 is Cockpit in MHV
Ship# 24(i think is sn) is intact in MEM Elivs airplane
Ship #35 Intact in MHV
All others are beer cans including ship #13 which was scrapped 2 years ago.
nomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15991 times:
Quoting SDF880 (Reply 10): I enjoyed that time sooooo much! My only regret is I did not take very many pictures. I rode most of the TWA and Delta 880's back in the 60's and early 70's. My parents worked for TW and DL and I used to pass ride as much as I could.
My Dad was a TWA dispatcher and I was lucky enough to fly the 880 many times. Lots of flights between DEN, SFO,ORD,JFK,CMH, PIT, etc
Macsog6 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15793 times:
Thank you for posting this. My Dad worked for Consolidated, later Convair, for a number of years and I can vividly recall flying on Convairs on AA - but I believe it was a 990 - and on an 880 on TWA. My Dad went to great length to point out that this was not the usual Boeing or Douglas product and that these airplanes came from the company for which he worked. Just wish I, like SDF880 says, had taken some pictures then!
I remember seeing an 880 take off in the late 60's when I was in the Army in Europe and it was LOUD and SMOKEY. I was in Spain at the time but I ahve no recolelction who the operator was.
There is a 990 preserved at the Transport Museum in Switzerland if you are ever in that part of the world.
Sixty Plus Years of Flying! "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Saint Ex
B737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 891 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 15527 times:
boeing767mech, thanks for the update. That's a crime in my mind that this airframe is no longer around.
To everyone else who's passing along their personal stories and gratitude, I simply can't tell you how proud I am that this video means something to you guys. Keep the stories coming, it's made this a great experience.
United960 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11772 times:
Thanks a billion for posting this. I was at MHV in 1992 back when there was still the famous row of about a dozen TW880s with the faded interlocking globes still shining in the sun. I saw still photos of that takeoff in various places over the years, but I was always hoping there would be able to upload it.
Back then there were also the two ex-TW 707-131s at MHV that had last served with the Israel Air Force and were owned, I believe, by Charlotte Aircraft. I had always hoped someone would restore one of the 880s as well as one of those water wagon 707s (my sense was one of the aircraft was in good shape). It seems that all the 880s save for one are gone, and I assume both 707s are beer cans too. Those of use who are a bit too young to remember the non-fan jets really missed out on the noise and smoke....
Argonaut From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11438 times:
I cannot, cannot, cannot thank you enough for this marvellous video. It has really started my week (maybe my whole month) perfectly! Watching it made me, like (I'm sure) all of us in this thread, wish so desperately I had been there...no, not just watching from the ground, but ON BOARD. If only you could bottle that experience and sell it...
I grew up in Africa and Europe, where the 880 was uncommon. Those of us fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time could see CV-990s (Swissair at first, then later Spantax, plus MEA with a bit of luck) in the 60s and 70s, and I twice flew on Swissair 990As operating for Ghana Airways (with a cockpit visit on one of them). My first close-up experience was of Thai International HS-TGE (leased from SAS) arriving at FCO in April 1963...my ears felt like alien objects for days! Those remain stellar memories of mine. Somehow, though, I never saw an 880 in action, and I used to be so envious of enthusiasts in the USA who had a chance of seeing those of TWA and Delta at work. I was especially in love (and still am) with the original, special Delta colours on the 880, which I never saw in real life.
This also happens to be very poignant for me. My very good pal Niall Booth, who flew west last summer in a helicopter accident, adored the Convair jets and would have loved this video beyond belief. How terribly much I wish he could have seen this. We shared an utterly unquenchable enthusiasm for those inimitable jetliners from San Diego, and he and I had started work on a book about them (yes, we really thought there was room for another!) when he died. Among his most revered possessions was a massive travel agent's model of a Cathay Pacific CV-880 that occupied substatially more of the floor area in his house than the dining-room table. He knew his priorities...
Those of you who love the Convair 880 and 990 almost certainly know of this---but, just in case you aren't aware of the movement to preserve a surviving CV-990A in Mallorca, please check out http://www.ec-bzo.com/
Thank you again, Convair fans.
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: I have just watched these vids, and all I can say is WOW! That interior is like a time capsule - they don't do it like this anymore. The takeoff and f
: Can anyone explain what the ground crew were doing as the engines were run up? They seem to go from engine to engine almost feeling for something. It'
: Thanks for the response. It's fitting that a TWA captain commanded the flight. And just to echo everyone else, thanks for posting a magnificent video
: I can remember when I worked at ORD for DL in the early 70s. Our 880s usually parked at H-8A/8B/10A and TWA was across the ramp from us, on the end of
: I think the ground crew may have been listening for the operation of the start valves. If the start valves didn't open they could open the cowling an
: Did they touch up the paint at all for this flight? I'm assuming Ship 13 was painted for the last time in the late 60s or early 70s since it was retir
: IFlyTWA, on the video of the cockpit / interior (which was taken days prior to the departure video) you can see for a split second how the paint looke
: Many Thanks "B737-112" Great videos. I flew on her in 1972 from LAX to SFO what a beautiful aircraft and such a pity she is no more. I have been so lu
: I seem to remember from an article in (I think) Airliners magazine about the desert 880s that prior to the plane's return it was repainted by the guy
: Mike Potter, he was a local scrapper and a Ex 880 Captain for TWA. David
: Took this about 5 seconds ago, just put it on my carpet and snapped the pic. Hard to get a sense of size from the picture but it's about 16in in leng
: On May 15,1960,Delta flew the first 880 service,HOU-IDL with N8802E.Onthe same day service IDL-MSY with N8804E and IDL-ATL with N8803E.Eight days late
: Geez. Talk about bad luck. Losing a plane 8 days after delivery??
: N8804E was delivered to DL May 6, 1960 and W.O. May 23 same year. source...Jet Airliner Production List Volume two(non-Boeing). safe
: Transpac787, wow! Amazing model, if I ever get my hands on some extra spending cash I'll be giving you a call
: The loss was 8 days after start of service,not delivery. Sparky
: Shortly after IDL was renamed JFK, my family went to visit relatives in Queens (we lived in the Bronx). On the way there, we stopped at E.J. Korvettes
: Model was $100 plus $25 for FedEx shipping from MNL. Not too bad!!
: That was an awesome video, I love the sound. I wasn't able to ever see the 880's or 990's in action but I worked plenty of DC8's and a few 707's when
: Fantastic videos! I'm now stuck to youtube to watch those great images. Many thanks! The take-off of those Convair planes are incredible...... I still
: Man, I've got to give a huge thanks back to all of you here. Since I posted the videos here my email has been filled with kind words from you guys, I
: Incredible documentation of the 880 on film. Wow..thanks very much B737-112
: Also a few early 707 and 720s were lost in training flights. The flight simulators weren't as advanced then, so around the entry of service time of a
: Thanks for this, have definitely never seen or heard a Convair take off before. Such a sharp bird.
: Great video of one of the worlds classic airliners. Also as special well done for the quality of the footage. I know it must drive environmentalists
: I don't believe any 720's were lost in training accidents, just the three 707's (two AA, one BN), the Delta CV-880 at ATL, a Delta DC-9 at GSW, and a
: Three 720s were lost in fatal training accidents, 2 LH 720Bs in 1961 and 1964, and 1 Western 720B in 1971. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record
: I hadn't noticed that this had already been posted - apologies! Thank you for an amazing look into one of the earliest examples of American passenger
: happy-flier, are the apologies to me and if so I don't know why. I'm so glad you enjoyed it, it's pretty unique footage and I'm so glad I was able to