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User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 885 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16127 times:

I edited & uploaded some very rare footage (with permission) from my friend Craig Pilkington's VHS collection. This was taken in 1991 when a CV-880 was being ferried from Mojave, CA to Atlantic City, NJ to be used as a Fire Trainer. Here is some footage that we dusted off and upconverted to 720p HD .


This is an interior tour video of N807AJ (cockpit & passenger seats)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSkbLbxvNmc


Here is an extremely rare video of engine start and a very noisy, smoky departure from Mojave.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isP1LVVZ6nU

Let me know what you guys think, feel free to leave a comment on here or on the YouTube page.

Thanks for looking,
Ryan

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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3205 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16076 times:

Wow, awesome!!! Love the old Convairs, one of my favorite old types.

The only mahogany desk model I have in my room is a custom-made CV-990 of N8357C, the last commercially serving CV880/CV990 in the United States.




User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 885 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16045 times:

Transpac787, thanks for the comment!

I would love to see that model, the 880 and 990 are just about as cool as an airliner can get IMHO.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25191 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16040 times:

Very interesting videos. Photo below of the same aircraft at JFK in 1970, 3 years before TWA reitired it after 12 years service.


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Photo © George W. Hamlin



And the most recent photo (2007) at ACY after more than 15 years there.


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Photo © Mark Kopczak



[Edited 2010-05-01 18:32:00]

User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 885 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15997 times:

Viscount724, thanks for posting those pics!

The bottom one shows it's not in great shape, and that pic was taken a few years ago so I don't know what's happened since then.

Ryan


User currently offlineB595 From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2009, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15954 times:

Wonder where they found type-rated pilots to fly it in 1991? Did they pull some ex-TWA guys out of retirement, or did they get someone from Ports-of-Call to fly it?

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15938 times:

Here's a promotional video on the Convair 880 I posted awhile back

This is what flying was like 50 years ago on Delta at the dawn of the jet-age.

It's 13 minutes (in 2 parts.)

Introduction To A Champion (1960 - Color)

Part 1 (6:49)

Part 2 (6:06)

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineSDF880 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15915 times:

I rode on that 880 a few times way back when, memories! Thanks for posting the videos.

SDF880


User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 885 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15900 times:

B595, if I remember the story correctly the pilot of this flight was a TWA L-1011 captain who had some in the 880.

I will check with the source of the video to see if I recall correctly.


User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 885 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15697 times:

LoneStarMike, I've seen some of the vids you've posted and they are awesome!

SDF880, if there was a way to buy someone's memory of a event I would come up with atleast $1,000 and see if you're willing to sell  


User currently offlineSDF880 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 15612 times:

I enjoyed that time sooooo much! My only regret is I did not take very many pictures. I rode most of the TWA and Delta 880's back in the 60's and early 70's. My parents worked for TW and DL and I used to pass ride as much as I could.

The 880's were noisy, smoky, fast and just about the coolest plane for me to ride on. I now live and work in Louisville and my first passenger jet ride thru SDF was on a TW CV-880 1965 CVG-SDF-STL. Not to hard to figure out where my airliners.net name came from.

cheers,

SDF880


User currently online4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3013 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15342 times:

I became a fan of the 880 about 1993. I have been kicking myself since then that I'd just missed seeing this exact flight. I know it makes me the biggest geek in history, but I'd spent way too much time dreaming about what that takeoff looked like (as well as the interior). I'd followed the Lost Birds/Scroggins restoration project from its birth, when I swore to drive to Mojave even to see it taxi to its sad ending.

This video, pathetic as it sounds, filled a void in me. It almost made me feel like I was there. Thank you thank you thank you!!
That may have been the coolest bit of video I've ever seen. I'd make one correction though. It says it is "ultra rare" video. It is one of a kind, unique, and the time machine that can take airliner geeks like myself to a place I'd wanted to go back to for so long.

Thanks again,
4holer



Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 885 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15289 times:

SDF880, what a fortunate way to grow up! You know what's great about it too is that you appreciated those planes at the time even being that young, some people seem to really start appreciating planes long after they're gone.

4holer, you made my day buddy! You are far from the "biggest geek in history", you have a love and an appreciation for an amazing aircraft and I'm so glad it filled in that void for you! That really makes my day and I will pass along all your kind words later today to my friend Craig who shot this. I'm thrilled that it made you feel as if you were there, that is so awesome!

Your newest Respected User,
Ryan


User currently offlineIFlyTWA From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15271 times:

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for posting those videos!!!! I would give anything to see an ex-TW 880 fly again.

Does anyone know if Ship 13 is still intact at ACY?

[Edited 2010-05-02 00:32:48]


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15110 times:

Can I add to everyone else's thanks for sharing these videos; I have always had a great interest in the old Convair jets, but unfortunately never got a chance to fly in one. (The only ones I ever got to see in service were the Spantax ones, when it flew 990s to Dublin on IT charters in the early 1980s.)

User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14897 times:

Thanks for posting the video's. It's great to see the aircraft all fired up and flying after all those years in storage.
If we could only have SmellCam as well then we could really experience the event as if we were there.

Thanks for posting my all time favourite aircraft!


User currently offlineboeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14756 times:

Can I add to everyone else's thanks for sharing these videos; I have always had a great interest in the old Convair jets, but

Quoting IFlyTWA (Reply 13):
Does anyone know if Ship 13 is still intact at ACY?
Quoting B737-112 (Reply 4):
The bottom one shows it's not in great shape, and that pic was taken a few years ago so I don't know what's happened since then.

Ship #1 is a cockpit in ALT
Ship #3 is a cockpit in NJ
Ship #23 is Cockpit in MHV
Ship# 24(i think is sn) is intact in MEM Elivs airplane
Ship #35 Intact in MHV
All others are beer cans including ship #13 which was scrapped 2 years ago.

David (formerly of Team Convair 880)



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User currently offlinenomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14696 times:

Quoting SDF880 (Reply 10):
I enjoyed that time sooooo much! My only regret is I did not take very many pictures. I rode most of the TWA and Delta 880's back in the 60's and early 70's. My parents worked for TW and DL and I used to pass ride as much as I could.

My Dad was a TWA dispatcher and I was lucky enough to fly the 880 many times. Lots of flights between DEN, SFO,ORD,JFK,CMH, PIT, etc

The 880 is still my all-time favorite aircraft!


User currently offlineMacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14498 times:
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Thank you for posting this. My Dad worked for Consolidated, later Convair, for a number of years and I can vividly recall flying on Convairs on AA - but I believe it was a 990 - and on an 880 on TWA. My Dad went to great length to point out that this was not the usual Boeing or Douglas product and that these airplanes came from the company for which he worked. Just wish I, like SDF880 says, had taken some pictures then!

I remember seeing an 880 take off in the late 60's when I was in the Army in Europe and it was LOUD and SMOKEY. I was in Spain at the time but I ahve no recolelction who the operator was.

There is a 990 preserved at the Transport Museum in Switzerland if you are ever in that part of the world.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10398 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14373 times:

One of my biggest regrets of my time at DL was that I never got to ride on the 880.





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Photo © Larry Pullen




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User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 885 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14232 times:

boeing767mech, thanks for the update. That's a crime in my mind that this airframe is no longer around.

To everyone else who's passing along their personal stories and gratitude, I simply can't tell you how proud I am that this video means something to you guys. Keep the stories coming, it's made this a great experience.


User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13702 times:

Thanks for posting the videos. It's fun to remember that all that noise and smoke was Real Progress back then!

User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 885 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11650 times:

707lvr, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! I sure miss all the smoke and noise, I guess the closest thing we have to this now are the older model Gulfstreams.

User currently offlineUnited960 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10477 times:

B737-112

Thanks a billion for posting this. I was at MHV in 1992 back when there was still the famous row of about a dozen TW880s with the faded interlocking globes still shining in the sun. I saw still photos of that takeoff in various places over the years, but I was always hoping there would be able to upload it.

Back then there were also the two ex-TW 707-131s at MHV that had last served with the Israel Air Force and were owned, I believe, by Charlotte Aircraft. I had always hoped someone would restore one of the 880s as well as one of those water wagon 707s (my sense was one of the aircraft was in good shape). It seems that all the 880s save for one are gone, and I assume both 707s are beer cans too. Those of use who are a bit too young to remember the non-fan jets really missed out on the noise and smoke....


User currently offlineArgonaut From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10143 times:

I cannot, cannot, cannot thank you enough for this marvellous video. It has really started my week (maybe my whole month) perfectly! Watching it made me, like (I'm sure) all of us in this thread, wish so desperately I had been there...no, not just watching from the ground, but ON BOARD. If only you could bottle that experience and sell it...

I grew up in Africa and Europe, where the 880 was uncommon. Those of us fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time could see CV-990s (Swissair at first, then later Spantax, plus MEA with a bit of luck) in the 60s and 70s, and I twice flew on Swissair 990As operating for Ghana Airways (with a cockpit visit on one of them). My first close-up experience was of Thai International HS-TGE (leased from SAS) arriving at FCO in April 1963...my ears felt like alien objects for days! Those remain stellar memories of mine. Somehow, though, I never saw an 880 in action, and I used to be so envious of enthusiasts in the USA who had a chance of seeing those of TWA and Delta at work. I was especially in love (and still am) with the original, special Delta colours on the 880, which I never saw in real life.

This also happens to be very poignant for me. My very good pal Niall Booth, who flew west last summer in a helicopter accident, adored the Convair jets and would have loved this video beyond belief. How terribly much I wish he could have seen this. We shared an utterly unquenchable enthusiasm for those inimitable jetliners from San Diego, and he and I had started work on a book about them (yes, we really thought there was room for another!) when he died. Among his most revered possessions was a massive travel agent's model of a Cathay Pacific CV-880 that occupied substatially more of the floor area in his house than the dining-room table. He knew his priorities...

Those of you who love the Convair 880 and 990 almost certainly know of this---but, just in case you aren't aware of the movement to preserve a surviving CV-990A in Mallorca, please check out http://www.ec-bzo.com/

Thank you again, Convair fans.

rj



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25 CF-CPI : I have just watched these vids, and all I can say is WOW! That interior is like a time capsule - they don't do it like this anymore. The takeoff and f
26 9252fly : Can anyone explain what the ground crew were doing as the engines were run up? They seem to go from engine to engine almost feeling for something. It'
27 B595 : Thanks for the response. It's fitting that a TWA captain commanded the flight. And just to echo everyone else, thanks for posting a magnificent video
28 mayor : I can remember when I worked at ORD for DL in the early 70s. Our 880s usually parked at H-8A/8B/10A and TWA was across the ramp from us, on the end of
29 SDF880 : I think the ground crew may have been listening for the operation of the start valves. If the start valves didn't open they could open the cowling an
30 IFlyTWA : Did they touch up the paint at all for this flight? I'm assuming Ship 13 was painted for the last time in the late 60s or early 70s since it was retir
31 B737-112 : IFlyTWA, on the video of the cockpit / interior (which was taken days prior to the departure video) you can see for a split second how the paint looke
32 cv990Coronado : Many Thanks "B737-112" Great videos. I flew on her in 1972 from LAX to SFO what a beautiful aircraft and such a pity she is no more. I have been so lu
33 4holer : I seem to remember from an article in (I think) Airliners magazine about the desert 880s that prior to the plane's return it was repainted by the guy
34 boeing767mech : Mike Potter, he was a local scrapper and a Ex 880 Captain for TWA. David
35 Post contains links and images Transpac787 : Took this about 5 seconds ago, just put it on my carpet and snapped the pic. Hard to get a sense of size from the picture but it's about 16in in leng
36 sparky35805 : On May 15,1960,Delta flew the first 880 service,HOU-IDL with N8802E.Onthe same day service IDL-MSY with N8804E and IDL-ATL with N8803E.Eight days late
37 Transpac787 : Geez. Talk about bad luck. Losing a plane 8 days after delivery??
38 isitsafenow : N8804E was delivered to DL May 6, 1960 and W.O. May 23 same year. source...Jet Airliner Production List Volume two(non-Boeing). safe
39 Post contains images B737-112 : Transpac787, wow! Amazing model, if I ever get my hands on some extra spending cash I'll be giving you a call
40 sparky35805 : The loss was 8 days after start of service,not delivery. Sparky
41 daviation : Shortly after IDL was renamed JFK, my family went to visit relatives in Queens (we lived in the Bronx). On the way there, we stopped at E.J. Korvettes
42 Transpac787 : Model was $100 plus $25 for FedEx shipping from MNL. Not too bad!!
43 FX1816 : That was an awesome video, I love the sound. I wasn't able to ever see the 880's or 990's in action but I worked plenty of DC8's and a few 707's when
44 todaReisinger : Fantastic videos! I'm now stuck to youtube to watch those great images. Many thanks! The take-off of those Convair planes are incredible...... I still
45 B737-112 : Man, I've got to give a huge thanks back to all of you here. Since I posted the videos here my email has been filled with kind words from you guys, I
46 GriffAir : Incredible documentation of the 880 on film. Wow..thanks very much B737-112
47 MEA-707 : Also a few early 707 and 720s were lost in training flights. The flight simulators weren't as advanced then, so around the entry of service time of a
48 aerdingus : Thanks for this, have definitely never seen or heard a Convair take off before. Such a sharp bird.
49 tonymctigue : Great video of one of the worlds classic airliners. Also as special well done for the quality of the footage. I know it must drive environmentalists
50 milesrich : I don't believe any 720's were lost in training accidents, just the three 707's (two AA, one BN), the Delta CV-880 at ATL, a Delta DC-9 at GSW, and a
51 Post contains links Viscount724 : Three 720s were lost in fatal training accidents, 2 LH 720Bs in 1961 and 1964, and 1 Western 720B in 1971. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record
52 happy-flier : I hadn't noticed that this had already been posted - apologies! Thank you for an amazing look into one of the earliest examples of American passenger
53 B737-112 : happy-flier, are the apologies to me and if so I don't know why. I'm so glad you enjoyed it, it's pretty unique footage and I'm so glad I was able to
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