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Aires 4C To JFK On 25JUN10 3 X Week  
User currently offlineTBYO787 From Colombia, joined Feb 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

On Friday June 25, 2010 Aires from Colombia 4C will begin flying into JFK from BOG.

Flight # 206 will leave BOG at 18:30 and arrive JFK at 00:57 (Fr - Mo - Wed)
Flight # 207 will leave JFK at 03:00 and arrive BOG at 07:28 ( Sat - Tu - Th)

The schedule is set to provide connection to all cities that 4C fly in Colombia at the beginning of the High Season.

Fares start at $99 each way plus taxes. There has cause AV to reduce prices on the peak vacation season.
we expect AA and DL to follow soon.

Regards,

OP
TBYO787

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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2932 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3748 times:

Quoting TBYO787 (Thread starter):
Flight # 207 will leave JFK at 03:00 and arrive BOG at 07:28 ( Sat - Tu - Th)

Wow I sure hope they can get a slot for their 3AM departure.  


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5195 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1):
3AM departure

Wow...... Does JFK not have a nightclosure? Besides that, 3AM is not my favourite departure time.  


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8419 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3619 times:
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Quoting TBYO787 (Thread starter):
Flight # 206 will leave BOG at 18:30 and arrive JFK at 00:57 (Fr - Mo - Wed)
Flight # 207 will leave JFK at 03:00 and arrive BOG at 07:28 ( Sat - Tu - Th)

What a time to leave JFK. I wonder how Singapore Airlines loads would change on its Flight #1 from SFO to HKG to SIN if it retimed teh departure at 3:00 AM ? Probably for the worse, Aires should learn everyting it is doing has been done before, it should let teh 737 stay on teh ground until 7:00 AM, a time at which it could too get a slot.


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

TACA has a JFK-SAL flight at 440a. They have done this for ages and done it succesfully. I see no issue's with a 3am departure. IMHO you sell it as no traffic to the airport and no 3 hours waits on the ramp, which JFK has been known for.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 2):

JFK has no curfew. Not to many airports do. Remember JFK has a large cargo operation as does many major's in the US. These are prime times for them to operate in and out.



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User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

Any news about BOG-MEX?

Regards,

Fyano


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8419 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3060 times:
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In all my travel experiences domestically in the USA and Worldwide in Asia, Australia and Europe, the one place where passengers are charged the most per mile and asked to put up with teh most abuse is to Colombia. I will not support Spirit or Aires with these vampire like schedules. The regular airlines are not that much more, I will a hundred dollars more not to be nickeled and dimed to death. For the first time in my life Avianca is looking better and better, and I used to avoid it like teh plague flying Eastern and AA, which isn't saying much beacuse Eastern was no prize. IF $$$ is the most important thing, then Aires is for you but I will take teh day flights.

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
In all my travel experiences domestically in the USA and Worldwide in Asia, Australia and Europe, the one place where passengers are charged the most per mile and asked to put up with teh most abuse is to Colombia. I will not support Spirit or Aires with these vampire like schedules. The regular airlines are not that much more, I will a hundred dollars more not to be nickeled and dimed to death. For the first time in my life Avianca is looking better and better, and I used to avoid it like teh plague flying Eastern and AA, which isn't saying much beacuse Eastern was no prize. IF $$$ is the most important thing, then Aires is for you but I will take teh day flights.

That is the most ridiculous statement I have heard on this forum lately. No, Colombia is not the market where people get charged the most, and no, the days of AV's abuses are long gone (ended with Alianza Summa) and must I remind you that most airlines schedule their South America flights as red-eyes because it is a commercially viable intiative as business people don't want to spend all day sitting on an aircraft? Or have the transcon north american red-eyes been a huge commercial failure?

Good for AIRES! I'm still not sure if their LCC model will work for the 5+ hour they will be launching (GRU coming too), but they have made air travel accessible for a lot of people. In recent news reports, the airline officers have statred that one third of the passengers who flew them last year had never actually taken a plane before.

It has also been proven that colombian carriers can also be profitable even if not charging astronomical fares.

[Edited 2010-05-03 14:26:49]


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User currently offlinebogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Plus also really funny to hear about the day flights, while AV, DL and now Aires also operate night schedules either one way or the other. The only daytime operator is CO.

User currently offlineTBYO787 From Colombia, joined Feb 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

A red eye schedule is of the most convenience for the Airline and the passengers. For the Airline, because connections are possible from/to every city in Colombia in both directions. For most of the passengers, because it is proved that they prefer to spend the night on the plane than wake up at 3:00am to be at JFK at 5AM to take a plane at 8AM to be in Colombia in the afternoon, Passengers save time with these early AM departures.

Continental is only a day time operator because its plane rotations between EWR/BOG/IAH/BOG/EWR. Otherwise leaving a plane overnight in BOG will be a waste of equipment, like it uses to happen.

My 2 cents,

Regards,

OP
TBYO787
 


User currently offlinebogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Quoting TBYO787 (Reply 9):
Continental is only a day time operator because its plane rotations between EWR/BOG/IAH/BOG/EWR. Otherwise leaving a plane overnight in BOG will be a waste of equipment, like it uses to happen.

CO operates twice daily to IAH, I thought the rotation of the plane was done within the IAH planes, not the EWR/IAAH planes.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
I will not support Spirit or Aires with these vampire like schedules.

Honestly, I don't know what the heck are you talking about....   

Quoting TBYO787 (Reply 9):
A red eye schedule is of the most convenience for the Airline and the passengers

Redayes between Colombia and USA:


BOG-LAX AV

BOG-JFK AV

JFK-BOG AV

IAH-BOG CO

BOG-IAH CO

JFK-BOG DL

And one you talked about and is now gone

BAQ-JFK AV

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
In all my travel experiences domestically in the USA and Worldwide in Asia, Australia and Europe, the one place where passengers are charged the most per mile and asked to put up with teh most abuse is to Colombia

Have you travelled lately to COlombia?? Lets say in the last 10 years?? And domestically, I we have to talk about domestic abuse and dimed to death, "legacy" american carriers get a higher ranking than many others around the world.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
For the first time in my life Avianca is looking better and better, and I used to avoid it like teh plague flying Eastern and AA, which isn't saying much beacuse Eastern was no prize

And I guess AA is, with their top notch service, low fares, shiny cabins and extremly amazing IFE........   

Quoting TBYO787 (Reply 9):
For most of the passengers, because it is proved that they prefer to spend the night on the plane than wake up at 3:00am to be at JFK at 5AM to take a plane at 8AM to be in Colombia in the afternoon, Passengers save time with these early AM departures

  

Add BOG-LAX to that....

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 7):
Good for AIRES! I'm still not sure if their LCC model will work for the 5+ hour they will be launching (GRU coming too), but they have made air travel accessible for a lot of people. In recent news reports, the airline officers have statred that one third of the passengers who flew them last year had never actually taken a plane before.

Couldn't agree more..........I took C4 BOG-FLL-BOG and they were just fine, even exceed what I expected for the price I paid for.


Cheers

777jaah



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8419 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2612 times:
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 7):
uoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
In all my travel experiences domestically in the USA and Worldwide in Asia, Australia and Europe, the one place where passengers are charged the most per mile and asked to put up with teh most abuse is to Colombia. I will not support Spirit or Aires with these vampire like schedules. The regular airlines are not that much more, I will a hundred dollars more not to be nickeled and dimed to death. For the first time in my life Avianca is looking better and better, and I used to avoid it like teh plague flying Eastern and AA, which isn't saying much beacuse Eastern was no prize. IF $$$ is the most important thing, then Aires is for you but I will take teh day flights.

That is the most ridiculous statement I have heard on this forum lately. No, Colombia is not the market where people get charged the most, and no, the days of AV's abuses are long gone (ended with Alianza Summa) and must I remind you that most airlines schedule their South America flights as red-eyes because it is a commercially viable intiative as business people don't want to spend all day sitting on an aircraft? Or have the transcon north american red-eyes been a huge commercial failure?

RCS767AV,

Landing in Baq at 2:00 AM in the middle of teh night is my definition of a " vampire light schedule", I think the ajective speaks for itself requiring no further explanation. Miami to Colombia has always been aways been a $400.00 USD roundtrip or more proposition for economy, that twenty cents per mile. Only F or J class gets yield like that, but its only slightly over 1000 from Miami to BAQ and yes I have flown AV in teh last 10 years. And I did say AV" is looking better and Better", so give me some credit and don't just read the first line of a responce.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8419 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2590 times:
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Quoting 777jaah (Reply 11):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
In all my travel experiences domestically in the USA and Worldwide in Asia, Australia and Europe, the one place where passengers are charged the most per mile and asked to put up with teh most abuse is to Colombia

Have you travelled lately to COlombia?? Lets say in the last 10 years?? And domestically, I we have to talk about domestic abuse and dimed to death, "legacy" american carriers get a higher ranking than many others around the world.

Yes I have flown Av from Miami to BAQ in the last 10 years on an MD-83. Its not that AA to Colombia is "Great" but its predictable, and we Gringos like " predictable". Years ago I was going from Cali to BAQ on AV and the plane made a scheduled dtop in medellin, as were taxing out the crew said we are going to Bucaramnanga, when the AV plane gets to Bucarmanga the crew's hours had reached their limit so teh crew got off and went to teh crew hotel, we had to wait for a new crew to be flown in from BOG and finally did get to BAQ, after many hours of delay, at 3:00 AM. No apology or hotel or dinner from AVianca.


Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
For the first time in my life Avianca is looking better and better, and I used to avoid it like teh plague flying Eastern and AA, which isn't saying much beacuse Eastern was no prize

And I guess AA is, with their top notch service, low fares, shiny cabins and extremly amazing IFE........

Its easy to say how great AV is with its new shiny A330 and A320's, sure they have the latest IFE systems, today NOT 10 or 20 years ago, 30 years ago, in 1985 I flew a 707 from BAQ to MIA, in 1985. The AA 777 did have great IFE 10 years ago and still do today. The MD-83 of AV has didn't have IFE systems. AV is " being all it can be" with German Efromovich, but teh Santo Domingo history of AV is sad. When I think of AV I don't only remember the history that is nice to rememeber but teh not so nice history too. Lets see hoe those A210 look 10 years from now after 20,000 cycles of domestic, Miami and Caribean flying.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
Lets see hoe those A210 look 10 years from now after 20,000 cycles of domestic, Miami and Caribean flying.

I bet they will look exactly as AA's MD80 or 738s look today.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
Its easy to say how great AV is with its new shiny A330 and A320's

I don't care what happened before, what I care is what they have to offer now. That's why avoid AA if I have other options, and take CM or TA, despite of what they were in the past.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
Landing in Baq at 2:00 AM in the middle of teh night is my definition of a " vampire light schedule",

Schedules are given, most of the times, by demand. You think that if the BAQ flight would've landed at 4pm it would've survived?? If the demands grants it, the flights will keep going.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
Miami to Colombia has always been aways been a $400.00 USD roundtrip or more proposition for economy, that twenty cents per mile. Only F or J class gets yield like that, but its only slightly over 1000 from Miami to BAQ

I just made a bogus reservation on AA MIA-IAH rountrip. It went for 300 and is a 2.15 hr flight, with BOB and zero free checked bags. Ahhh, and no IFE at all.........If the airlines can afford to charge such hihg prices, as you call them, in this competitive environment, is because there's the demand to sustain so much capacity at such prices. This is not a discussion driven by feelings, but merely about facts and economic facts.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
NOT 10 or 20 years ago

20 years ago the 767-757 fleet was pretty much a state of the art airplane for its time, and had much the things anyone could've wished for. I know AV never updated its interiors, but at the time, they were good enough.

777jaah



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8419 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2540 times:
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Quoting 777jaah (Reply 14):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
Lets see hoe those A210 look 10 years from now after 20,000 cycles of domestic, Miami and Caribean flying.

I bet they will look exactly as AA's MD80 or 738s look today.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
Its easy to say how great AV is with its new shiny A330 and A320's

I don't care what happened before, what I care is what they have to offer now. That's why avoid AA if I have other options, and take CM or TA, despite of what they were in the past.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
Landing in Baq at 2:00 AM in the middle of teh night is my definition of a " vampire light schedule",

Schedules are given, most of the times, by demand. You think that if the BAQ flight would've landed at 4pm it would've survived?? If the demands grants it, the flights will keep going.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
Miami to Colombia has always been aways been a $400.00 USD roundtrip or more proposition for economy, that twenty cents per mile. Only F or J class gets yield like that, but its only slightly over 1000 from Miami to BAQ

I just made a bogus reservation on AA MIA-IAH rountrip. It went for 300 and is a 2.15 hr flight, with BOB and zero free checked bags. Ahhh, and no IFE at all.........If the airlines can afford to charge such hihg prices, as you call them, in this competitive environment, is because there's the demand to sustain so much capacity at such prices. This is not a discussion driven by feelings, but merely about facts and economic facts.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
NOT 10 or 20 years ago

20 years ago the 767-757 fleet was pretty much a state of the art airplane for its time, and had much the things anyone could've wished for. I know AV never updated its interiors, but at the time, they were good enough.

Boy, the intensity by which you defend Avianca is admirable, why do you feel so passionate about it. You remind me of a passionate man named Charles Bryan, who was head of the Eastern machinist local union in Miami,( this is not an AC vs. EA comparison). He fought and fought management, first Borman and then Frank Lorenzo and his cronies. Bryan forced Borman to sell Eastern to Texas Air( parent company of then Continental and Frank Lorenzo owned) which proved a disaster, the airline closed its doors and all teh machinists became unemployed. Charles Bryan's passion killed Eastern and tens of thousands of jobs.


User currently offlineavianca707359b From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):


...Flight # 207 will leave JFK at 03:00...

...it should let the 737 stay on the ground until 7:00 AM...


In my opinion, whether the flight has a departure time of 3AM or 7AM is irrelevant. What really matters is "Alarm Clock Time". Explanation:

Scenario 3AM: Go to bed in the evening. Alarm clock goes off at 23:30. Shower, dress, have a snack. Leave home at midnight. Arrive JFK at 00:30, allowing 2.5 hrs for check-in. Flight departs at 03:00. Arrive BOG at 07:28.

Scenario 7AM: Go to bed in the evening. Alarm clock goes off at 03:30. Shower, dress, have a snack. Leave home at 04:00. Arrive JFK at 04:30, allowing 2.5 hrs for check-in. Flight departs at 07:00. Arrive BOG at 11:28.

Which scenario would you prefer? I'll take the 3AM departure, because at least you'll have the entire day in Colombia to recover if you are so exhausted.

What a difference from the days of AV 059 departing from PanAm's Worldport at 10:30am in a Boeing 707 on the JFK-MDE-BOG-CLO route!

[Edited 2010-05-04 12:14:12]


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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 15):
Boy, the intensity by which you defend Avianca is admirable, why do you feel so passionate about it.

I just don't think you're too fair judging everything, personally, I think you're the kind of guy that will always look at the glass as "half empty". And is not like I defend AV just because the sake of it, but you made AV looked like an airline stuck in time, and even more annoying, making it look like any of today's improvement, will be a momentarily thing. When I critized, I try to do it based on comparisons of equals, then you can made a clear non biased judgment. And my intensity is just as fair as yours trying to defend a BAQ service to almost any you should it must serve, regardless of anything but your own passion on the issue.  
Quoting avianca707359b (Reply 16):
Charles Bryan's passion killed Eastern and tens of thousands of jobs.

He was an employee, I'm just a loyal customer. If I don't like the service I'm being provided, I just walked away from the carrier. That's how far my pressure could go. And I've done several times, just this year, I've flown twice to Florida, C4 and LA once each one.

And just for the record, this is not personal, is just that I respectfully choose to disagree on basically everything you said.

Cheers


777jaah



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
Landing in Baq at 2:00 AM in the middle of teh night is my definition of a " vampire light schedule", I think the ajective speaks for itself requiring no further explanation. Miami to Colombia has always been aways been a $400.00 USD roundtrip or more proposition for economy, that twenty cents per mile. Only F or J class gets yield like that, but its only slightly over 1000 from Miami to BAQ and yes I have flown AV in teh last 10 years. And I did say AV" is looking better and Better", so give me some credit and don't just read the first line of a responce.

You did not talk about landing in BAQ at two in the morning, you said you wouldn't support AIRES and Spirit with their schedules. Then you complained about high prices, which these airlines have driven down so you can actually get decently priced flights on the other operators who offer your preferred schedule. Talk about inconsistent argumentation.

And I personally do not think that airlines should charge dirt cheap prices if the market costs don't allow for it. If they provide you with good service (not crap like AA), a better schedule and more ammenities, why should the charge the same price as the LCC?

I welcome AIRES, Spirit and Jetblue because they have expanded the market, and even though there has been a bit of overcrowding, it will ultimately translate into a lot more passengers with more decent fares. This will be a question of volume, so that the dilution of the ields doesn't hit the airlines as hard. I for once, will pay the extra $80 for a free meal, a blanket and miles. Others won't. It's a question of choice. It's not like the LCC are here to "perpetuate" the "horrible conditions" which colombians have endured over the years when flying to the US. A market like JFK, which is composed mainly of colombian migrants travelling back and forth, will certainly appreciate the lower fares.

[Edited 2010-05-04 15:57:13]


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