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UA & CO to Merge!  
User currently offlineUA191 From Canada, joined Apr 2010, 54 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 44673 times:

CNN: -- United and Continental announce all-stock merger deal that creates world's
largest airline, CNNMoney.com reports.

UA & CO Merger Site: http://www.unitedcontinentalmerger.com/
New UA/CO Livery: http://www.united.com

[Edited 2010-05-03 03:00:22]

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User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3250 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 44708 times:

Interesting choice of Branding: the United name and Continental's logo and font.

User currently offlineBralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 44926 times:

The new logo:

User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 44834 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
Still no formal announcement, so this post is technically incorrect.

See above.


So the UA name won, the CO look, feel, and management won as well.

"It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark."
User currently offlineBralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 44596 times:

There seems to be some small errors in the "merger" site. I've looked at the new routemap and the BRU-ORD route has vanished.

User currently offlineType-Rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 44575 times:

For those who doubt this here is the news story...


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11590 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 44590 times:

Big news, wow. What´ll US Airways and AA do now?

Its odd that the new United uses the "old" CO logo and airplane livery when UAs CI is 15 years younger (and looking fresher).

I´d wish they would have done so when Delta and NWA merged (and thus kept the NW red tail!)

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 44538 times:

What an interesting livery!!

Hopefully they get the fleet painted sharpish. I still see old livery UA planes here at LHR.

[Edited 2010-05-03 03:10:08]

User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 44536 times:

The United name and logo will be kept. With Delta and NW, that was an easy decision, not in this case

That must have been a difficult decision, Continental is known around the world just as well as United, financially speaking they've been the most stable U.S airline the last few years, plus they're known for providing the best international service fo any U.S airline...

User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 44554 times:

Again, the CO livery is staying, the UA titles replace CO. Not sure why UA went with the Airbus deal as this was clearly not a last minute agreement.

Glenn will be a non-executive Chairman until 12/31/12 or the 2nd anniversary of their deal closing, whichever is later (the latter). Note the wallpaper in the background. Jeff will be President and CEO and acting Chairman once Glenn departs.

The beast that is United Airlines

[Edited 2010-05-03 03:15:00]

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User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 737 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 44263 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
creating the world's leading airline

Well, to me that sounds quite megalomanic.

Quoting ua777222 (Reply 2):
Name of Airline Will be United with Continental's Logo and Livery
Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 10):
The United name and logo will be kept.

No, only the name. The logo will be CO's. But I dare say that IMO, that new merged livery just sucks... They should rather have come up with something entirely new.

edit: Anyway, good luck to new United, surpassing new Delta as the world's largest airline and being the backbone of the world's largest alliance as well.

[Edited 2010-05-03 03:23:52]

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User currently offlineUAXDXer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 44154 times:

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 10):
No, only the name. The logo will be CO's. But I dare say that IMO, that new merged livery just sucks... They should rather have come up with something entirely new.

I have to agree.... Makes me want to puke just by looking at it!

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11590 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 44147 times:

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 10):
No, only the name. The logo will be CO's. But I dare say that IMO, that new merged livery just sucks... They should rather have come up with something entirely new.

I fully agree. Its very poor for the "worlds biggest airline" to use a 20 year old CI (which imho was never very good anyway). If there´s a real reason for a new livery its this one. This aging cheap hybrid livery isnt anything good.

User currently offlineLufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 44019 times:

Interesting choice of branding. It truly seems as though they are trying hard to make it a marriage of equals, and not an acquisition. Of course, there are benefits of a straight takeover, but we will see.

I do have two questions about it though:

Although the exterior branding is quite clear, what about the interior branding? There is no mention about whether they will be 2 or 3 class, or what will be included interior-wise?

It has got to be pretty expensive to paint two sets of planes, instead of 1 a la Delta/NW. Obviously on the CO side they can paint planes normally and just apply a UA sticker, but will UA planes that come due for new paint before the merger is official be painted in the CO livery? Or will they wait until the US government has approved it?

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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1284 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 43913 times:

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 10):
The logo will be CO's.

I am just very sad to think about the tulip going away  



User currently offlinetpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 43800 times:

I think the font is ugly! It looked great for CO, but the U in "united" looks awkward. However I 100% understand the point is to not alienate 41k CO employees. Most everyone here @CO is freaked out right now! This affords us something that feels normal. Yes, it is pandering to the emotional and irrational, but trust me such is better than 41k freaked out people in a 'service' industry. The UA kids get their name and HQ, we get our globe and paint-job. I still don't like this, but I think we can live with it.

User currently offlineUA933 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 43784 times:

The route map shows non-stop UA service vom FRA to LAX. I thought UA stoped flying that route over a year ago.

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User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 43766 times:

Quoting UAXDXer (Reply 11):
I have to agree.... Makes me want to puke just by looking at it!

I for one, really like this. The globe, while old I think still looks modern. I also think the CO typeface is and colors are way better than United's.

Quoting Lufthansa411 (Reply 13):
It has got to be pretty expensive to paint two sets of planes, instead of 1 a la Delta/NW. Obviously on the CO side they can paint planes normally and just apply a UA sticker, but will UA planes that come due for new paint before the merger is official be painted in the CO livery? Or will they wait until the US government has approved it?

I don't see how waiting to paint the UA planes can make them look worse than they already are!  

User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 43660 times:

Quoting Lufthansa411 (Reply 13):
It has got to be pretty expensive to paint two sets of planes, instead of 1 a la Delta/NW. Obviously on the CO side they can paint planes normally and just apply a UA sticker, but will UA planes that come due for new paint before the merger is official be painted in the CO livery? Or will they wait until the US government has approved it?

By the time the DOT and Justice Department cut through the red tape, newly painted aircraft will be due for a new coat.

I agree that it is very much about equals and I am almost positive with the addition of new aircraft in the coming years, a newer image for United will appear.

Regarding the 2-3 class, it is obvious that United has always provided a three-cabin aircraft on their overseas aircraft. I think it will be interesting to have CO management at the helm here to figure out what they want to do with aircraft/cabin utilization. Given COs tendency to slap 757s with winglets and call them international aircraft and UA already in motion to phase out their 757s, such instances will provide a telling signal as to the airline United will/has become.

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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 15373 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 43645 times:
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As has been said, the "U" needs to be fixed - capitalize it instead of using a large lowercase U. It would look something like this (bear with me - it was a quick, crude job) :


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User currently offlinerwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 43613 times:

Quoting UAXDXer (Reply 11):
I have to agree.... Makes me want to puke just by looking at it!

Agree! CO already had a dated looking logo that was ready for a refresh. This could have been an opportunity to create a new shared identity. Not sure why you'd want to go this direction, unless you're desperately trying to make some sort of point that CO is in charge.

Regardless of livery, this will be an interesting merger to watch. UA will be the flag carrier for the USA.

User currently offlineSteveBerch From UK - Wales, joined Jun 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 43602 times:

Is this a temporary solution as it will be easy to put United titles over the Continental titles on CO planes, all of their aircraft would then have the titles of United on them quickly and they look for a new livery that incorporates the two identities ie. United name and Continental globe?

Just a thought as it looks quite amateurish at the moment.


User currently offlineCRJ200FAGuy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 43594 times:

So long Cleveland!! They will soon be North CVG.

User currently offlinejetskipper From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 43638 times:

Any bets on how fast the United (Old Continental) marketing team takes the 777s off domestic city pairs and finally adds additional long-haul flights out of EWR and IAH?

User currently offlinetpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 43528 times:

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 14):

just wanna say I respect that, just as I hate to see CO's name go away. No more 005 tkt, no more -24 Boeings. I know if I was UA tonite I'd be upset about my livery, just as I am about the name. This won't be fun, but we can be pretty awesome if we work together!

25 ua777222 : Why? As I see it CO got the huge upper-hand in this deal. You just got UAs mansion, the only condition is that you have to keep the wallpaper (for 2
26 LipeGIG : Glad to see that the deal is closed and i hope the best for the new UA/CO. You're both right but have to imagine that in the first moment, they need t
27 MSYtristar : I hate to see the United "tulip" go away. Terrible move. They could have at least came up with a livery that honors both companies. It just looks stup
28 UA191 : I am wondering if UA/CO will think about changing the livery/logo before they merge, as it looks VERY un-professional to me!
29 Sketty222 : Wow, this is gonna be some airline to compete with for a lot of legacy carriers. The livery isnt great through and I think they shoudl have maybe come
30 homer71 : Yes, the "United" in Continental's font looks bad...if they can keep the current "United" font, make it blue with the Continental's tail logo, it migh
31 ua777222 : Can we let the logo slide? 150% sure it will change once United and Continental clear the legal hurdles to allow for this merger to occur. There are
32 Glom : That's pretty lazy branding. Just take one side's name as is and another side's logo as is. Let's hope their operations are as slapped together as the
33 EBGflyer : What Airbus deal are you referring to?
34 Group51 : I look at that plane sideways and it says untitled. untitled airlines. I'll wait for the real livery.
35 ca2ohHP : Wow that branding looks like it was thrown together by an ill attempt at Photoshop.
36 BlueSky1976 : I'm partial to the merger news, but the decision to keep current CO livery simply made my day! Kudos to everyone involved in making this decision. Con
37 Post contains images KFlyer : Well, did they have no better livery at all ? Isn't this branding too retro style ? Both previous United and Continental ones look better. I guess thi
38 1stfl94 : I think they;re trying to avoid the problems of the DL/NW merger when the NW brand completely disappeared by least keeping elements of the CO branding
39 Airport : WOW! That is so bizarre, never in a million years was I thinking they were going to entirely keep the CO brand and simply replace the name. I can't th
40 MEA-707 : The picture is a quick copy paste, the United titles don't curl properly along with the fuselage's curvature. Maybe it's just a temporary thing, so th
41 Nimish : Congratulations to the 2 airlines, hopefully they'll pick up the best of both, and not the worst!
42 columba : Because they needed a 747/777 replacement and did not want to order VLAs and the A350 is the only aircraft available for that purpose. Also they migh
43 RJ111 : Bah what a butchering on the branding. It just looks wrong to look at a continental plane with united written on the side. They've tried to keep both
44 Post contains links ua777222 : The 25 A350s United inked a little over a month ago..... Found here
45 Zkpilot : Wow didn't think it would actually happen any time soon! As for livery it answers many peoples questions.... United has the bigger/longer history whil
46 September11 : I concur.
47 DAL763ER : Should we expect the merger to go as smoothly as the DL/NW one has? Will AA and US ever merge in order to have just 3 legacy carriers in the US?
48 ua777222 : I understand the logic behind the order. I just wonder if this was done under the consultation of CO as this reshaped the layout of UAs widebody flee
49 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : So when this goes to the DoJ for approval, will the slogan be: "No Way CO/UA" or "Hell No UA/CO"? Hope everything works out for the employees on both
50 Post contains images iliribdl : Good luck to UA/CO Should have kept the United livery or just create a new one altogether. The CO one seems boring/old to me. (that's just my opinion
51 C010T3 : Do I see EWR-GIG on that map? Or is it just IAD-GIG directed to the wrong star? It's really painful. I like CO's livery, but United is not made to we
52 ua777222 : Who knows... If it costs jobs, then yes, the government will push back hard. Additionally, there are going to be people throwing a fit on some of the
53 RJ111 : I don't see why the A350 and 787 aren't compatible if they do stick with the A350. It is a step up from the 787 in size and they can go with the A351
54 RJ111 : Ohh well, as a bit of trivia. We'll finally see that 763 in Continental colours out in the open.
55 Carls : Have you think for a minute that maybe this deal was disscused by both airlines before UA ordered them?
56 Burkhard : Repainting the aircraft will be simple, I love that choice !
57 Post contains images Airport : And we get to see the CRJ-700, E-170, A319/A320, 767-300, and 747-400 in the CO livery. Cheers! Anthony/Airport
58 na : That its simple makes it a good choice? Sorry, but what kind of blind beancounters statement is that? I think its the poorest choice they could make.
59 ua777222 : I did done thunk it: But this doesn't make all too much sense then for UA to flert with US to get CO to the table. If they were talking months back a
60 Commavia : Well, there we have it. That's cool - this airline is truly going to have an incredible network. Basically, if they had Miami, they would dominate eve
61 0NEWAIR0 : Not liking the combined logo and paint scheme at all. They should have come up with something new that incorporated both brands.
62 dldtw1962 : As long as Glen is out and someone else is running the new airline. Also, what is this going to do with the prices of airfares? I'm thinking that they
63 Seatback : As much as I love CO, I think pasting over the CO name with United on CO's paint scheme is a little odd. I bet that we'll see a new branding announce
64 alasdair1982 : IMO, they should include the United logo beside the name as well.
65 contrails : I guess a lot of people are excited about this, but I'm not. If these mergers continue pretty soon we'll just have 3 majors in the USA, and I don't th
66 dldtw1962 : CO will have to have alot of money to upgrade all the UA aircraft that are in bad shape inside.
67 Post contains images Revelation : I think that's the point. United pax will see something "new" (or at least different) than what they had with UA, and chances are that's what they wa
68 RayChuang : This new merged airline could be preparing for in a few years' time what could be the largest narrow-plane order in history as the older 737's and A32
69 iliribdl : How so unmatched? Not to turn this in UA vs. DL thread, but as far as I know Delta still serves more countries than the combined UA/CO.
70 relaxitsfedex7 : Man, and here I was thinking about rhapsody in blue song' with the united logo. damn! that paint scheme look horrible. What is up with these liveries
71 Revelation : Now's not the time to be bold. Chances are the livery won't last more than a year or two, once employees and pax have gotten used to the idea of the
72 Jacobin777 : In terms of current fleet ? Yes and they will well stick with the A32X-no reason not to..planes are excellent! In terms of future A32X orders? They d
73 chepos : Im not the biggest UAL cheerleader but I do prefer the current UAL c/s over the CO one, the UAL scheme is crisp and modern. The CO c/s needs to be upd
74 Kennyone : Just thought of a quick technical question about the livery: Are CO's airplanes going to receive an entirely new coat of fresh paint with the new live
75 UALWN : Why wouldn't they, if they thought this was good for them? What about the 787 deal? Why don't you question that one? Or do you think the combined air
76 Logos : I agree the livery ends up being kind of the worst of both worlds (kind of like Conan O'Brien's old "if they mated" bit), but I'm guessing there was s
77 BHMDiversion : The new logo is bad... just awful. At least keep the UA font for the Name.
78 davescj : I agree. The livery looks good, except the U. I hope they keep the "font" from united and the colors of CO. I will say, end of an era. I remember the
79 UALWN : Really? Why? I for one prefer the old UA scheme to the old CO scheme. And the old UA service (E+, channel 9...) to the old CO service (AVOD with mise
80 Post contains images elbandgeek : Well the livery is defintely a surprise. I'm going to assume they made the decision on that one after UA took almost 6 years to paint half their fleet
81 chepos : So they will spend money painting UAL planes into this new livery to change it in two years? Paiting aircraft is not cheap, especially such a big flee
82 Post contains images DeltaRules : I hope the paint scheme is temporary. I can understand not wanting to lay out a ton of money to repaint CO's fleet into UA's livery (or all the planes
83 Oak522 : What terrible brand dilution. It will take years for the United name to become associated with the globe and blue-and-white-and-gold. As noted earlier
84 MSYtristar : So they want people who flew CO frequently to always be reminded of CO when they book a ticket on United? Sort of defeats the purpose of the merger/b
85 jetskipper : I wonder which operating certificate they are going to use and thus which call sign they will be using? United or Continental?
86 0NEWAIR0 : Delta will serve more destinations than the combined CO/UA. Can some one point me to the numbers that people are using to say CO/UA will be the large
87 cle757 : Did anybody see the webcast?...I cant seem to find it
88 C010T3 : Actually, they don't need to paint UA's planes until the paint is really needed. The only thing needed to be changed is Continental's name once the m
89 LAXdude1023 : AA has said they will not merger with anyone this round. If they did, there would end up being only two legacies anyway because the labor nightmare a
90 Post contains images iliribdl : The media keep saying it'll be the largest airline. Wonder what will be the response from DL.
91 0NEWAIR0 : Just a guess.... but I think they will be using "United" as their callsign. It would just be odd otherwise.
92 fca767 : One person did their own make of the Livery last year and it looked nice, this one the airlines made looks like all they did was put a massive United
93 Highflier92660 : Rather than the hastily hatched new paint job, has anyone thought about the coming internal warfare over combining pilot seniority lists? Also, for al
94 RJ111 : Competition isn't always good. Look at how the standard of service has degraded in recent years due to cut throat competition. I think the major US a
95 Post contains links and images BOACCunard : I understand the logic of keeping part of CO's identity even as the name disappears, but this just looks weird. The first thing that comes to mind is
96 deltal1011man : 2nd this
97 ua777222 : They wouldn't because it wouldn't fit into the long term plans for the airline (ala Merger). Has nothing to do with Airbus or Boeing and thinking one
98 SeeTheWorld : The largest airline can be defined a variety of ways including RPMs, passengers, etc. I suspect that UA/CO is going to be the largest in terms of RPM
99 ua777222 : The only stats that put them further ahead is PMF.
100 FWAERJ : My DL pilot buddy thinks that DL will buy AS to create the final post of their four corners strategy and to lock out AA. This makes me think: with th
101 Jacobin777 : He's incorrect....DL's costs are too high for many of AS's routes. Probably not. Probably not.
102 Post contains links and images robffm2 : Concerning the need for a common corporate desing my employer is in a very similar situation: Commerzbank bought Dresdner Bank and now we have a new l
103 iliribdl : That's my thought as well, DL will go hard after AS to stay ahead of the new UA plus as a benefit have more coverage on the West coast. I know everyo
104 einsteinboricua : Wow...I'm in awe. I can't believe this...then again, where are the "CO and UA will never merge" people? Congratulations to both UA and CO. In a way, I
105 mogandoCI : one of the best logo combo from a merger i think is AT&T + Cingular, since they figured out the Cingular orange goes very well with AT&T's blu
106 Post contains images MasseyBrown : A dozen substantive issues are on the table and this thread zeros in on the paint job.
107 deltal1011man : PMF? Who is larger by RPMs? Thats one of the rumors.
108 ua777222 : I believe they will do the same, but IMO, regulators will view this as not only a hostile take over of sorts, but in bad taste for DL as they just me
109 Post contains images DL WIDGET HEAD : What a horrible branding idea. The only thing that could of made it worse would be to have named the new company Unical or Unico or something equally
110 tallguy14 : Not that it will do any good, but should we start an email campaign to update the paint scheme? Or keep the current United one? I agree the current Co
111 Post contains links and images tjwgrr : Here's a couple hybrids I found: Aviation-Designs.Net:Design © Raydon DesignsTemplate © Raydon DesignsAviation-Designs.Net:Design © BluewhaleTempla
112 SeeTheWorld : I've heard through the grapevine that labor has been involved, but we shall see.
113 Post contains images iliribdl : Top one would have been my favorite livery of US airlines. If they wait that long, AA would try and buy AS. Might have a better chance of getting the
114 Post contains images SQ773 : I think the new livery will not last very long. As stated on other replies, once people gets used to the " new " company , they will change it. In any
115 Post contains images deltal1011man : How can he be incorrect by thinking Jacobin everyoe says this but i would love to see some hard data backing this up. AA isn't *that* much smaller th
116 acjflyer : As much as I hate the speculation game I will say that there are possibilites for the AA/B6 scenario. In my own personal opinion I can easily see AA
117 Doona : The media being what it is, could they be thinking of fleet size? I don't have updated numbers, but won't UA/CO have upwards of 1200 A/C, counting th
118 Post contains images JBo : Welcome to Airliners.net That said, Saul Bass must be rolling in his grave right now. I have a feeling this 'merged' logo was a last-minute P.R. move
119 ua777222 : AS is not a small purchase given their West Coast strength so it wouldn't be viewed lightly, though AS customers who love their West Coast --> Mex
120 airborn757300 : Well, I guess first of all congrats to UA and CO. With that said I have to say that I highly dislike the choice of branding. Where as I like the liver
121 deltal1011man : Mainline fleet sizes to date. DL-744 UA-689 With RJ's i couldn't tell you.
122 COEWR787 : Except that AT&T and Cingular did not really merge. Cingular was half owned by SBC and the other half by BellSouth. SBC acquired AT&T and reb
123 CODC10 : They'll need to do something. CO+UA becomes the market share leader in NYC, Chicago, LA, Houston, Washington DC, San Francisco, Denver, and Cleveland
124 caljn : The United name and logo will be kept. Perhaps only the Continental birds will be changed for now. And as somone mentioned earlier, the "Rhapsody in B
125 realsim : UA/CO mainline Fleet: 693 aircraft UA/CO regional fleet: 588 aircraft DL mainline Fleet: 737 aircraft DL regional fleet: 676 aircraft AA mainline Fle
126 UALWN : Yes, but still: why do you question the 350 order and not the simultaneous 787 order??
127 iloveboeing : I agree. They need to come up with something more original. I am, however, glad that the Continental management team will mainly be in charge of the
128 United787 : And therein lies the problem! You try to please everyone and end up pleasing no one. Judging by the overwhelming negative response to the lazy unimag
129 junction : Not exactly sure what all the hype is about the livery. It is CO brand taking over. Would it have better to keep the CO logo and name then?
130 CODC10 : I'd flip if the A350 were canceled and the 748i purchased instead!
131 Post contains links and images Conti764 : What a surprise! It's great to see they'll keep the Continental livery, still the best livery of any US legacy, but I agree with those who say they ha
132 AwysBSB : I think that too. That seems to be a prior livery, which was poorly elaborated. Anyway, they are able to maintain both brands, since CO can become fo
133 drerx7 : What kind of a statement is this? Are you speaking factually, hopefully, prophetically?
134 Jacobin777 : Just take a look at the financials...you'll see that DL's CASM is above AS and will rise at a faster clip. Oddly enough, the combination doesn't real
135 rjpieces : I agree. I don't see this paint scheme surviving for long.
136 KLM777300ER : I am sorry, but as many people have said, the new logo simply looks wrong and rushed. I am not a fan at all. As a DC native and a user of IAD and UA,
137 STT757 : CO has 6 daily to NRT, 4 to Guam and one each to EWR and IAH.
138 Post contains images FriendlySkies : If this is seriously the final livery, they have destroyed ANY reason of keeping the 'United' name. All this will do is confuse the hell out of peopl
139 Conti764 : -> The globe could represent Uniteds goal to cover the 'entire' world. -> This paintscheme requires 'only' 360 planes to be repainted whereas 3
140 STT757 : I'm hoping the combined company will continue to keep mx operations in house, MCO: 737 maintenance base HOU: A319/A320 maintenance base SFO: 757-200/7
141 AmricanShamrok : I see SNN has been struck from the new routemap. Hopefully this is just an error on the website. It will be strange seeing the UA livery disappear fro
142 HouStrategies : The name and logo all make sense if you see it through the LABOR INTEGRATION lens, which is the absolute key to success. There are lots of arguments a
143 HNL-Jack : One look at this livery and my comment would be, "United in name only." I was not a fan of UA's current livery, but did like the treatment of the "U"
144 DL WIDGET HEAD : Bingo! You have succinctly summed up the branding faux pas. Most will think of the defunct CO when seeing this livery and not UA which is the brand g
145 United1 : No its a blending of both they have made that clear the new executive mix will be a 50/50 mix of UA and CO management so there isn't going to be a do
146 Post contains links STT757 : Investor presentation: http://www.unitedcontinentalmerger.c...FINAL+Investor+Presentation[1].pdf
147 deltal1011man : No they don't *need* to do anything. You spin it that way but i can say Delta is the largest carrier in ATL,DTW,MSP,SLC,CVG,MEM and the largest US ca
148 DL WIDGET HEAD : Of course, this is not a true number as evidenced by the investor presentation with the asterisk* next the 91 million. This asterisk denotes "overlap
149 xpfg : You obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about. I've read all your posts, and I disagree with much of what you say. You continually spea
150 JBirdAV8r : That whole corporate image looks like a 6th-grade Photoshop assignment. I'd fire the entire department in both companies. Yuck. Truly horrible.
151 United1 : Its still not going to lower it by 23 million members and quite frankly how much overlap so you think they actually have? UA and CO serve very very d
152 United1 : I think you right...this is going to be reworked in the coming weeks.
153 sldispatcher : #1. I don't think most people beyond a few a.netters and FTer's could care one bit what the livery is.... #2. Vast majority of elites will worry about
154 YULWinterSkies : Don't tell this to AA and DL though. What is wrong with them having Airbus aircraft? I'm sure the A350 will do just fine for them, they thought about
155 my1le : NO!!!! The United logo must stay. That has history, it is wrong to make the change. It would be better to just paint all the CO planes into the United
156 Post contains images Tigerotor77W : Anyone else notice that this isn't a 787?
157 ua777222 : Cameron, you've come out of your cave. Good to see you around, always your warm spirit. I stated that they wouldn't be painted and then repainted in
158 797 : Kudos for the behemoth Star Alliance... now with LH and UA/CO these dudes are ALL OVER THE PLACE!
159 Jacobin777 : Ah yes, I completely forgot about the Guam services! Good call. That being said, I'll have to change my stance a little bit...
160 CODC10 : My point precisely. They can't touch the local markets of New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Houston, Denver, San Francisco, and Washington DC, where th
161 realsim : From the Merger website: "Our New Airline The holding company for the new airline will be renamed United Continental Holdings, Inc. and the airline w
162 xpfg : Thanks. Read my previous post. The text come from the official merger site. As much as I'd love to "say it ain't so," it is. Possible? Sure. Plausibl
163 ua777222 : I've read it. Its a rash generalization of many things that UA could do with it if they felt this rendition did fit their long-term branding strategy
164 Post contains images hotplane : This is though:
165 ua777222 : I never disputed it. This is a pissing match over paint. Reread my previous post, it was in response to the theoretical idea that they would great a
166 Post contains images TSS : The quick and easy solution to getting both brands merged right away. The second option seems the much more logical choice, especially since as far a
167 davescj : I believe UA owns the rights for some years yet. No.....think about what website you go to. Most people will see UA and stop there. Unless they can b
168 FlyNWA727 : I'm on my way out so I can't write a huge tangent on how God AWFUL and disgusting this superimposed CO/UA livery looks ... so you basically summed up
169 Post contains images xpfg : I've read it, and it's not a generalization when someone says what WILL be in plain text. "Aircraft will have the Continental livery, logo and colors
170 Post contains images bioyuki : As a UA 1K, I'm very glad that this merger is happening. But dear god, that is the ugliest livery I've seen in a long time...I thought it was a blogge
171 OA412 : Agreed! The "look" of the combined carrier is disappointing. CO's is one of the more boring and dated liveries in the US. IMHO, they should have eith
172 globaldude : The livery is the least important thing right now...no traveler cares about paint...they care about price, routes, ff points, and schedule. This paint
173 drerx7 : Thank You...can we talk about other aspects now...such as route/fleet swaps?
174 CRJ 900 : I will also miss the TULIP big time. On another note, let's hope Cynthia Rowley designs some great new uniforms....aside from the pilots, the rest of
175 BlueFlyer : My very non-marketing-guru gut call says that the new livery is a way to tell the many loyal CO fans that only the name has changed, that the carrier
176 SVO767 : Livery sucks and looks cheap. To me it's a Continental plane. UA wants to keep the name because of what it means and signifies to many people. However
177 USAirways787 : It's sad to see Continental go. I sincerely hope this merger is not approved. I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but why would such a classy Airline wa
178 The777Man : Looking forward to work with CO employess at the new United AIrlines. CO has some great policies that could be used at the new airlines which will hav
179 NorthstarBoy : So, we're officially entering the era of the megacarriers, amazing. I'm thinking the next marriage will be FL/WN, they'll call themselves National Air
180 UALWN : So CO is classy and UA is... what? Cheap? Please.
181 web500sjc : i am pretty sure it was. I think that this livery is temporary in order to bring CO planes into UA name (that is at the moment most important- to hav
182 PacificClipper : I'm very sad to see the tuilip U gone. It's a classic and powerful logo. Losing the tuilip U is equivalent to AA losing their AA/Eagle. Frankly COs li
183 bartond : I'm just glad as a UA guy to now have IAH as a gateway to so many places in Mexico, Central, and South America. EWR will be a nice gateway to smaller
184 Conti764 : All the posters here on A.net who 'know' the scheme is temporarily untill UA comes up with something 'better' (ones own opinion ofcourse) and those wh
185 flyorski : I know a lot of people have complained about how it took UA so long to repaint the aircraft, its been six years or so and only half of them are repain
186 Post contains images DocLightning : See that 744? Good. You won't see it for much longer. So look long and hard.
187 lucky777 : Geez man, calm yourself down. It's like your having some sort of out-of-body spazz attack or something. You sound like you've just creamed your pants
188 Post contains images UnitedFA07 : To me I say it's a slap in the face to UA employees. Not putting down CO employees, but how can it be called and to quote "a COMBINATION of the brands
189 Post contains images worldliner : Personally i like the new colour scheme, and it will be interesting to see if they ever get painted, as i still see old livery united planes flying ab
190 DL WIDGET HEAD : UA has had a decade of poor if not bad leadership making bone headed decisions. This appears to me (I've been in the airline business since 1982 and
191 Post contains images DTWHKG : UA name and CO logo. Isn't it a perfect combination? Otherwise what else should be called a combination? DL & NW?
192 FlyCaledonian : I'd have liked to have seen the current UA colours, but with the CO globe on the tail. I wonder if one of the reasons for keeping the CO colours is to
193 brilondon : Why is the title of the thread sound like it is a surprise this happened? It has been discussed for weeks on here and in the media. As far as I am con
194 tommy767 : Ugh I really hope they change that before the merger goes through. The tulip is way more classier than the globe. I really can't believe it honestly.
195 UK_Dispatcher : I was actually picturing this the other day - the CO livery and United name. I actually didn't think they'd go for it - I assumed it would be the full
196 Aloha717200 : Um....forgive me for feeling this way but...the United titles on the CO plane look absolutely awful. That "U" is just all wrong. Couldn't they come up
197 UALORD : I could have come up with a better livery I think they should of done something with UA's new colors than with CO's colors.
198 Fiveholer : As a 3 year employee of CO who absolutely loves his job. I did not want the merger, I hope I can keep my job and I hate the "new" livery. It looks ama
199 kgaiflyer : So . . . United gets the HQ, and Continental gets the livery. That's called *compromise* , yes? And there will be more.
200 Post contains links and images viaggiare : LOL! UA/CO will eventually buy AA, and DL will grab US. In the end WN will win —as will B6 and FL— by expanding service to cities that become too
201 JAL : The pressure is now on AA to do something!
202 robo65 : I'm hoping the combined company will continue to keep mx operations in house, MCO: 737 maintenance base HOU: A319/A320 maintenance base SFO: 757-200/
203 Post contains images CODC10 : Now tell me you don't sound like a hormonal 14-year-old? It is what it is. The airline will be a powerhouse, I don't think it's hyperbole at all.
204 tommy767 : Something more innovative at least. It really does look like a crude photoshop job.
205 Flashmeister : Wow... just gotta say... I hate the livery. Awkward. Weird. Strange.
206 Post contains images PWMRamper : Looks MUCH better with the current UA font.
207 United1 : The new livery will take some getting used to but I think there is a decent chance that at least the font will be tweaked between now and the first a
208 SeeTheWorld : I have to say that I've always liked the CO livery, and I really like the new UA livery (thought the previous one was ostentatious). Regardless of whe
209 VC10er : Too bad for Saul Bass and the Pentagram livery. The current UA livery was the best thing United brought to the table. A generic globe for the world's
210 United1 : I agree...
211 UAL747DEN : Wow I really hope that this livery is just a temporary thing until they can get the marketing departments working with some branding people to come up
212 UK_Dispatcher : Agreed. I think they should adopt this. It is not too late, despite the branding which has already been displayed.
213 Post contains images robo65 : A dozen substantive issues are on the table and this thread zeros in on the paint job. I seriously doubt that any consumer out there will not choose
214 Post contains links joeman : DA0">Quoting Commavia (Reply 60):I do expect that Cleveland will be gone within 18 months. These original thoughts are in every thread about the me
215 gonnagetbumpy : I definitely have mixed feelings about this merger.
216 gonnagetbumpy : The livery is hideous, as many have said. I hope this goes smoother than it is starting out (although there is little to base it on yet). Will this in
217 Post contains images AirframeAS : If you want my opinion....... CO just shot itself in the foot. Good luck to all involved. I see a US/HP drama repeating again.....
218 RJ111 : It just looks wrong and sends utterly conflicting messages to my brain when i look at it. Is this United or Continental? It's like seeing man with a
219 United1 : The analysts at least are saying no that it shouldn't need to divest anything to get this through and it should be a rather easy approval process.[Ed
220 C680 : 99.99% agree with you on this point. ...and the other 0.01% who do care are all on this discussion group. You will hear from them shortly.
221 junction : Exactly. For example, it's worth mentioning UA will now have a major hub in the top four largest cities in the U.S. (NYC, LAX, ORD, IAH). No one can
222 Post contains links and images TWFirst : Best post of this whole thread! I'm really surprised that none of the "logo/branding experts" on here who are criticizing United in the Continental f
223 SeeTheWorld : I don't disagree with you, but there is always a bit of an adjustment period when you change things. If this livery stays, it will look normal and se
224 Post contains links Ken777 : I wouldn't worry about the livery until the regulators approve the merger. It may not be as easy as the DL/NW merger was. And that one might be even h
225 jetsetter629 : Wow very nice! AA and US...?
226 FriendlySkies : Exactly. If the tulip is gone, it's a shame (and a horrendous marketing decision), but if you are going "reinvent" the United brand, then REINVENT it
227 junction : Almost forgot...Not only will UA have a major hub in the top four largest cities in the U.S., but also in the nations capital (IAD). U.S. Flag carrier
228 Post contains images flyorski : I wonder what the new ground vehicles will look like. I always thought it was overkill that AA, WN, and UA all had similar shades of blue on the groun
229 VC10er : I keep looking at the new (old) livery and I am just stunned. America could have had another PanAm but an airline without a symbol can't get into that
230 American 767 : So in a few years from now we will see O'Hare full of CO tails. United and Continental announced today they want to live together, they are now going
231 viaggiare : With all your talk about flirting and dating, I'm not sure whether that sentence refers to aircraft or to female flight attendants.
232 nclmedic : I'm sorry but the new livery is vile - CO's livery is old and seriously needed a revamp anyway! UA definitely had the stronger livery, and looks reall
233 MSYtristar : I can only hope that the livery is temporary. If United wants to continue to be a powerful brand going forward, they need to ditch the colors of the a
234 AirframeAS : To nitpick: It isn't American West. It is America West. And their children can't get along with each other. That should be added.
235 rwSEA : Still not a fan of the grey and gold, but this is 100% better! There's a few people on here criticizing the backlash against the proposed livery, say
236 Post contains images platinumfoota : Why would u keep the CO colors?? Makes the aircraft look much more older now. The new UA colors are one of the best out there!!
237 SeeTheWorld : They should have kept the United tail and made switched the white with gold ... kep the United font ... and the Continental body ...
238 LDVAviation : You think this is a slap in the face to UA employees? Wait till you learn what new contract they are going to offer the FA and pilots for the privile
239 tommy767 : I wouldn't be surprised that once they get full anti-trust approval that the livery changes into sometime more modern, colorful, innovative, and LESS
240 davescj : LOL Loved it...thought it funny.....wasn't sure only female FAs were intended. That said, I would have prefered the UA tulip in gold on a blue tail..
241 N766UA : The branding is utterly confusing to me. And so long CLE. Looks like United will have another chance to dump their hub in Ohio.
242 Post contains links SA7700 : Please continue your discussion on this topic in the following thread: UA & CO to Merge! #2 Any posts added to this thread after the threadlock, w
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