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Sabena To Fire At Least 600 People  
User currently offlineSndp From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 553 posts, RR: 2
Posted (15 years 3 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

According to the Belgian newspaper De Morgen, Sabena is going to fire at least 600 people. It is also clear that Swissair is no longer really interested in Sabena and that they are not even happy with the 49,5% they own today. The fact that people will be fired is the result of the restructering at Sabena. According to sources, Muller, CEO of Sabena, would like to reduce capacity by 30% by flying with smaller planes, being 50 to 80 seaters. The long haul network would not be affected any more by the proposed plan, so the current amount of long distance flights would stay unchanged. The European network is looked at very closely. Muller is looking at every destination and its value in the hub concept of Sabena. Some routes may get more frequencies, others can loose frequencies or be cancelled. Last week, Muller promised to have its plan ready within three weeks, so it seems we have to wait another two weeks.
It is yet unclear how Sabena is going to finance the cancellation of the ordered planes of Airbus and at the same time the acquisition of smaller planes.

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User currently offlineMyself From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (15 years 2 hours ago) and read 2515 times:


SN employees just received a letter from Müller stating the decision will be announced in June.


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (15 years 2 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

How much longer do you see Sabena in the skies ???

They are in a very bad way and all the new Airbus aircraft are on hold at Airbus !! and now they fire 600 people. Dont sound so good.

User currently offlineMyself From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (15 years 2 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

Who the h*** said they will fire 600 people ???!!!

nothing is decided yet, let alone it is announced officially.

As to how long they will stay in the sky : still for a very long time to come, unless another blooper à la Reutlinger-Brugisser is made again.

User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 2 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

Actually, as horrible as this might sound, the reduction in Sabena's workforce (and it's seat & route capacity) will probably be to SN's advantage in the long-term.

I've been reading a few of the SN posts, and whilst I don't know anything about SN/SR, it would appear that they are in a critical financial condition-and the only way to alleviate the situation now, is by taking drastic measures ("open-heart surgery") to allow the airline to simply survive.

That probably means reducing costs to a minimum by removing anything which doesn't generate profits.....etc.

BTW, what a/c did SN have on order, are they too large, or too many?


User currently offlineSndp From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (15 years 1 hour ago) and read 2488 times:

They have Airbus A319s and 4 A340s on order. The A340s, it is decided, will never enter the fleet. About the narrow bodies, the order will probably be cancelled.

I have just given the news in De Morgen, I know nothing is official yet, I contribute to the discussion about Sabena by giving the information I find in newspapers and by interpreting them with the views of the managements and so on. I did not found out the figure of 600 people, it was in De Morgen.

Sabena will stay, of course, they just need to fine tune everything. Muller is a very intelligent man, he knows what he is doing. But it is sad people will loose their job.

User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

I see, thanks for the order info Sndp.

Hopefully they'll find a way out.


User currently offlineJuul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2461 times:


De Morgen did not say 'at least' 600 people would be fired, it said '200 to 600 people' would be fired. They themselves had the news from TV-station VTM, which is not exactly known to be the most reliable source for this sort of information. De Morgen also clearly stated that nothing was official.

Greetings Big grin

User currently offlineSndp From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (14 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Thanks for the information Juul and excuse me for my mistake. The exams are here so I have only time for a quick look in the newspapers, but I admit then I should post it. Though I think we all know people are going to be fired anyway, how sad I find it. How many times have we not heard from different sources that Sabena has only got a chance as a smaller company. Inevitably that means a reduction in the amount of jobs. I hope Muller will be so honest to go and talk a lot with the unions and the employees first, before he goes to the press with his report.

User currently offlineAirbuspilot From Belgium, joined Apr 2000, 416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (14 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Not only they said they will fire up to 600 people, they even where more specefic by saying 150 pilots and 250 cabin Crew members will loose their jobs!!!!
And this time it was announced by VRT which is a very reliable television station!!!!

if you go and have a look ath site of embraer you will see that some EMB145s have been ordered by a Belgian company. Since new air Belgium went down the drain (ask mister TACK, he is flying as a copilot now!!!) it is quiet possible that these aircraft (3 to be specific) are the first ones for the SN group????
Also I picked up the news that the only 3 A321s of SN have been sold yesterday. I know this has been a rumour quit some time now but this time I have it from a very reliable source!

I wonder what kind of brain comes up with a plan like this. the second fleet renewal in 3 years time, smaller aircraft when everybody knows that european airspace will be in overload within four years from now (no slots left=no more new aircraft=more people per aircraft=bigger aircraft),order 34 new A32F planes + hire and train all the necessary pilots and 2 years later fire half of them and brake up all the contracts with airbus,....

this is a terrible lack of vision as far as I am concerned and I am getting tired of it!

User currently offlineHopper From Luxembourg, joined May 2001, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (14 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

The Embraers you mention will be probably the ones for the Ministery of Defense:


Those Embraers will be probably used for Military Staff, Belgian Government etc.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (14 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Belgium will not be left without a flag carrier however, the future of the existing Sabena is uncertain. Sabena
is an unprofitable airline serving a small and overserved
market with excessive competition. Sabena is too big
to survive as it is. It will probably have to shrink a bit.
The US-Brussels market, where it is loosing millions, is
overserved, by United, American, Delta, Continental,
and US Airways, all of which can feed traffic to their
flights to Brussels by way of their large hubs. Sabena
does not benefit from its paltry hub at Zaventem and
is not in a position to build it up into a major hub.

My guess is that the Belgian government will rescue
it, cut it to about 1/3 of its size a la Philippine Airlines
and hope its fortunes turn around. Sabena will be a
test case for the future of Europe's small to midsized


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