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DL's MD-11s-How Many And What Routes?  
User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21791 times:

Unfortunately, I was employed with Delta about a year and a half after they retired the MD-11 so I never got a chance to ride on it.    How many MD-11s did DL have and what kind of routes were they run on? Were they the standard European runs, aka: FRA, LGW, CDG, etc plus the daily ATL-NRT? Did they do any Hawaii routes, South Africa, S. America, Asia? Did they do a lot of domestic routes more than int'l, or was it vice-versa?


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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21771 times:

I know they were known to run CVG-LGW and PDX-Asia (HKG I believe?). That was back around the turn of the century.

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21703 times:

Some of the routes:

ATL-MCO (At one point, DL was operating all of their widebodies on this route at least once a day.
ATL-PDX
PDX-NRT
PDX-NGO
CVG-PDX
JFK-NRT
LAX-NRT
ATL-FRA
PDX-FUK
PDX-HKG


They were definitely their Transpacific workhorse. I took several non-rev joyrides between ATL and PDX (and back) up in BusinessElite because those flights were tag on legs to the PDX-NRT flight and were domestic flights with international service.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7394 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21651 times:
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ATL-MAN was another route (this route has seen 767, L1011, A310, 777 & MD11. Waiting for the A330 and 744 to be scheduled on to it!)

User currently offlinen901wa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21623 times:

We had 15 PW powered MD-11's, and we had 2 Leased CF-6 MD-11's (Ships 891 and 892) The leased MD-11's went away as soon as the newer PW bird showed up. Some had the extra belly fuel tanks, and N815DE had the Bat wing Flap track fairings. I think we still own 1 or 2 (803 and 804? ) that are leased to World. But not sure about that. I also remember LAX -FRA but not sure if it stopped somewhere. I Thought it was non-stop. HTH

[Edited 2010-05-03 15:35:40]

[Edited 2010-05-03 15:36:33]

User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21610 times:

Definitely LGW

Flew N804DE LGW-ATL on 02-07-96 and can still recall being gutted it was not an L1011!



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User currently offlinelucky777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21611 times:

It also briefly did an MCO-LAX-NRT run all under the same flight number. I had the pleasure of non-reving on it from LAX-NRT, PDX-NRT, ATL-PDX, NRT-ATL, and PDX-SEL. I thought it was a fantastic aircraft to fly in. Very powerful, pretty quiet, and the interior dimensions were only slightly smaller than a 777.

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21554 times:

Add Dublin and Shannon to that list.


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21440 times:

Also, DL once had a daily MD-11 on DFW-ATL, which continued to an international destination from ATL (cannot remember where).


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User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21427 times:

LAX-ATL was another route.


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User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1187 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 21313 times:

Add
LAX-HKG...or LAX-ANC-HKG lol depended on the winds/cargo
JFK-TLV
Also, I believe JFK-CAI-DXB ?
oh,
Add LAX-MCO

[Edited 2010-05-03 16:06:38]

User currently offlinesspontak From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 476 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 21311 times:

ATL-JFK is another route I remember flying.


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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 21208 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 2):
(At one point, DL was operating all of their widebodies on this route at least once a day.

Yeah THOSE were the days! ATL-South.


User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 21081 times:

I think they also did DFW-HNL.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 21026 times:

I flew ZRH-ATL on a DL MD-11 in January 2002.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 21009 times:

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Reply 13):
I think they also did DFW-HNL.

I can't recall that route ever being anything other than a 1011 for about as long as I was alive up until the route ended.


User currently offlineaa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20999 times:

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Reply 13):
I think they also did DFW-HNL.

Unless it was a sub, it was a L1011 for quite a while. I don't recall ever seeing a MD-11 doing that run.
With that said I know DL subbed a MD-11 on ATL-DFW-ATL once in a while.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20969 times:

It was never on DFW-HNL. That was always an L15 that ran ATL-DFW-HNL DL16 and 17 IIRC (or DL16&DL15) it was one of those two pairs. I flew the ATL-DFW portion once.


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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20958 times:

When I flew DL to FRA in 2002, I noticed that one of the MD-11's sitting at the gate was going to Athens. I also know they flew ATL-NRT.


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User currently offlineaa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20800 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 17):
ATL-DFW-HNL DL16 and 17 IIRC

You are right! I took the L1011 on DFW-HNL-OGG (switched L1011's at HNL). I do recall parking next to a TWA 747 in HNL..... Those were the days!



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User currently offlineboeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20766 times:

I flew on the MD11 from CVG to FRA back in the 90s, flights 48 & 49...

Jan


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6619 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20731 times:

HKG almost always got N804DE and N806DE. I believe those two aircraft were different to the rest of them. They flew HKG-LAX and had larger fuel tanks or something.

User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2006 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 20272 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 17):
It was never on DFW-HNL. That was always an L15 that ran ATL-DFW-HNL DL16 and 17 IIRC (or DL16&DL15) it was one of those two pairs. I flew the ATL-DFW portion once.

It was DL 16 and DL 17 and I took them quite a few times, and they were L-1011-250's not 500. They rotated with DL 53 and 54, the ATL-HNL nonstops. One aircraft would operate ATL-HNL-DFW-ATL and the other would operate ATL-DFW-HNL-ATL. I am not saying they never subbed -500's on the route, but they were scheduled with 295 seat two class L-1011-250's. The L-1011-1's held 302, and I think the L-1011-500 held 241 or thereabouts. In the late 80's, DL used three class L-1011's on the route with First, Business (8 across like the original coach), and Coach with 9 across. (2-5-2). Check an old system timetable, they had the seating capacities, but I remember the availables on the L-1011 from the 90's from flying as a non rev.


User currently offlinedc10srule From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 19861 times:

So many routes!

Did they use any to GRU? Did Delta even fly there when they had the MD11?

What time frame are we looking at from 1st delivery to last flight of the DL MD11s?


Thanks.
JA



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User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2006 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 19825 times:

Quoting dc10srule (Reply 23):
So many routes!

Did they use any to GRU? Did Delta even fly there when they had the MD11?

What time frame are we looking at from 1st delivery to last flight of the DL MD11s?


Thanks.
JA

Yes, they were flying Rio in 1998, and the MD-11's didn't leave until much later. I don't remember if that route was an MD-11 or a 767-ER.

No one mentioned ATL-TLV, started before 9-11-01 and then shortly thereafter discontinued. It was operated originally by the MD-11.


25 ThaiAggie : PDX-TPE-BKK, PDX-SEL-TPE-BKK
26 mayor : There was also an ATL-ATH-ATL route with the MD-11. I flew back to the states on it in the late 90s.
27 MSY772LR : Correct Not only that, but N806DE was IIRC the first of the DL fleet to test the infamous MD-11 "wedge"... hence another reason for it being used on
28 johnclipper : What is/was the MD-11 "wedge"?
29 MSY772LR : Its proper name is "Divergent Trailing Edge" and it's commonly (but mistakenly) used synonymously with the term "microflap." It's basically meant to
30 B727LVR : Did some quick research.... N801DE leased to world now N294UP with UPS. N803DE leased to world now N296UP with UPS. N804DE leased to world now N295UP
31 chrisair : [/quote] DFW-ATL was a scheduled M11 route for a while. I nonreved on it a few times. Even flew DFW-JAX-ATL after ATL shut due to tstms. Was very odd
32 CV990A : I got lucky and flew CVG-LGW-CVG on a DL MD-11 right before the route switched over to 767s. I flew JFK-CVG-LGW r/t over one of the JFK-LHR nonstops j
33 Post contains links and images kl911 : AMS: View Large View MediumPhoto © Johan Knijn
34 MSYtristar : LAX-ANC-HKG was started with a L1011-500 operating once weekly. It was scheduled nonstop once the M11's arrived.[Edited 2010-05-04 04:21:05]
35 DL_Mech : And TPE usually got N805DE and N807DE. All four planes had Aux Fuel tanks in the forward cargo hold and Phase III 4460 engines.
36 DLPMMM : I flew on the MD- 11 more than once ATL-GRU. Two aborted take offs in one night due to an engine O2 sensor light. Overnight delay in Sao Paulo.
37 cokepopper : Which ship # had the fire and is it still in sevice?
38 MSYtristar : Pretty sure it was 803 that had the fire. Not sure where she went.
39 mayor : I remember the rumor floating around at the time the decision was being made on a/c type to purchase. Supposedly the choice was the 747-400 or the MD-
40 xtoler : I forgot DL had those. I didn't even think about it until now, but I usually see a World MD11 or DC10 parked by the DL MX hangars in ATL. Of course my
41 KU747 : I remember very well seeing DL MD-11 at DXB before Sep 11th, it was ATL-DXB-ATL.
42 TYCOON : Yes, DL flew the MD11 down to GRU. One time they had to switch take-off direction since the plane was too heavy... once at take off position, we had t
43 STT757 : I remember MCO-LAX-NRT, back when DL was still the "Official Airline" of Walt Disney World.
44 panamair : No, back then the routing was JFK-CAI-DXB (3x weekly) Yes, the M11 also did JFK-CDG-BOM back when DL actually had double daily JFK-CDG (one on the M1
45 nycbjr : I had the pleasure of Flying a DL MD-11 in BE JFK-CDG
46 Jeremy : Add LAX-PDX to the list.......
47 DL1011 : And TPE usually got N805DE and N807DE. All four planes had Aux Fuel tanks in the forward cargo hold. Yes, ANC was a fuel stop for the L1011 on the LA
48 B727LVR : I heard from a boeing AOG team member that is was N802DE, which is now with UPS as N293UP. I was told that he was on the team that was sent to ATL fo
49 ocracoke : It was non-stop. Flight 57/58. At first, an L-1011. Then it went to an MD-11. Then continued on to BOM. LAX-FRA-BOM. Then when the FRA hub was pulled
50 Istanbuler83 : ATL-IST-ATL was also operated by MD 11s for a certain period of time. I don't know exatly how long. It was like in 2000 or 2001. JFK-IST-JFK was B767-
51 N92R03 : I flew from MIA to LHR on an MD-11 back in 1998 or 1999. I thought is was on DL, but could it have been AA?
52 MSY772LR : DL never had the rights to serve LHR until open-skies. Even when PA used its aircraft, the M11 was not among them.
53 MLD9S : Here is a random sampling of Delta MD-11 routes and flights. I am sure I missed some of the domestic flights, but this should at least give you a good
54 flflyer : And TPE usually got N805DE and N807DE. All four planes had Aux Fuel tanks in the forward cargo hold. Yes, ANC was a fuel stop for the L1011 on the LA
55 flflyer : Flew numerous times from LAX-MCO and return. Great flights with three classes of services
56 Post contains links and images aerdingus : http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta...McDonnell-Douglas-MD-11/0217135/M/ I remember hearing about a DL MD11 that ran off the runway here at DUB in hi
57 FlyNWA727 : This really miss the days when DC-10s, L-1011s, MD-11s, A300s, 747s, and other widebodies were major staples in the fleets and domestics routes of U.S
58 skyliner747 : I was a F/A on it and really loved that plane, until one of the world's worst cabin mods took one of the most impressive cabins (of the time) and turn
59 Post contains images eicvd : Yeah I look out for the 2 DL flights every day & id love to see an A330 or 744 or 77E/77L subbed in
60 Post contains images KU747 : Thanks for the correction.
61 JT8DJET : I worked on her the other day, and yes, she was the one that had the #3 engine fire.
62 dairbus : I worked the International ramp for DL during 2001-2002. One route which has not been mentioned yet was ATL-FCO. The MD-11 was a great plane to fly on
63 Post contains images n901wa : Hi skyliner747. The 10 abreast MD-11's were 891 and 892. They were the Leased Mutsui birds. Everyone thought it was for a Japanese Airline because of
64 mayor : Correct, in a way. The interchange with PA included both LHR and FRA, using DC-8s and 747-100s.
65 Post contains images Alias1024 : So which airplanes went to TPE and had Aux Fuel tanks?
66 DL1011 : Remember that really nice etched artwork/world map on the f/c galley wall? It was fantastic.
67 swabrian : My wife and I along with a few other nonrevs and one paying passenger flew on Delta's first revenue MD-11 Flight. It used N892DL and it was Flight #40
68 LipeGIG : I remember seeing some times them in GIG. It was a nice vision replaced by Varig M11 fleet.
69 skyliner747 : I loved the "wowie wall" as we called in CVG. It was so impresssive. Couldn't believe they took it out when they did the mod. Remember also the extra
70 Post contains images cokepopper : - Yes the "wowie wall" ! and I almost forgot the "testing" of the espresso makers. Didn't last long We also had the built in bottle openers.
71 sparky35805 : N813DE was the only MD11 painted in the 2000 colors.It became N526FE with Fed Ex and was lost in a landing accident at NRT last year. Sparky
72 WesternA318 : ATL-ATH was also an MD-11 route for a long time as well.
73 DL1011 : Weren't they cappuccino machines? I seem to recall a lot of write-ups that the milk wasn't frothy enough. Being diligent maintenance technicians, hav
74 Post contains images n901wa : I wish they would put that Wowie wall at the Delta Muesum in ATL. Im sure its in storage somewhere. That carpet was nice and thick I still mis working
75 N707PA : There are at least two at the TOC in ATL, but most ended up in Cambridge, England where the BizElite mods were done. Blame JAMCO for that one.....
76 n901wa : Ah. Jamco. I forgot about them.
77 EMB170 : Didn't they also do ATL-EZE (DL 101/DL 110) back in 2001 when the route first started?
78 DL1011 : Great photo Tama! I usually wouldn't run from work EXCEPT when it came to those faucets. I'd take just about any other job! I know a lot of people did
79 Post contains images n901wa : Thanks. I miss the MD-11 too. I learned a lot and had fun. You know, I am the only one left in the photo. I still see my fellow Junkyard Wars Warrior
80 timz : Anybody found that one in a timetable?
81 cokepopper : Not quite sure how to find it, but I worked that flight just prior to 9/11 One of the few MD-11 flights that we had out of NYC. TLV,NRT,CAI-DBI,CDG
82 TOMMY767 : Anybody found that one in a timetable? I remember seeing an M11 on JFK-NRT in 1999. I believe they also flew JFK-TLV with the M11 between 1999-2001 (
83 cokepopper : I could be wrong (going on memory) but the following are all I believed we had (intl) out of NYC. The MD-11's were flying around for almost 10 years
84 EMB170 : I want to say that I remember the JFK-NRT M11s as DL 24/DL 25 (or was it 25/26?) JFK-CAI-DXB was DL 120/DL 121 IIRC.
85 rwSEA : Yep. In September of 2000, I distinctly remember flying ATL-AMS.
86 Post contains images airtechy : I flew the PDX to BKK flight many times. AH...memories of the old airport in Bangkok. We once were delayed out of BKK because the captain said the com
87 mayor : As I recall, this was the second time we had a route to TLV, after the original PA route was discontinued. This particular route in the late 90s didn
88 timz : It's not in the 11/00, and it is in the 4/01-- flights 25/26.
89 dairbus : I flew JFK-NRT-JFK as a non-rev in April 2001. I remember this trip in particular because I first tried the ATL-NRT flight and got bumped because of
90 Post contains images c5load : Wow! I haven't been on here for a few days, but holy crap! I didn't expect nearly this many replies about DL's MD-11s. I take it they were (and still
91 Post contains links and images DL1011 : I hear you. It's a sign that we are no longer spring chickens!! http://www.westernairlines.org/breakfast2.html There were some nice people working th
92 Post contains images n901wa : I was on that day. It was the other guys, and it started with a chattering brake. They wanted to mco the ctr gear and tried to stow it without droppin
93 m11stephen : Do you have any pictures of the Wowie wall? Thanks!
94 Cessna172RG : Ok, Delta needs to bring back PDX-FUK ASAP...that city needs a west coast connection pronto.
95 slcpdxatl : There is also one in the ATL international flight attendant lounge in E concourse
96 mayor : Quick, someone take a photo and post it on here!!
97 Post contains images DL1011 : I knew about Roy but not Tom. Thats too bad. Yes, there were some great folks working there. I liked working at LAX because there was ALWAYS somethin
98 jr : 16 and 17 also did the short lived JFK-CDG-MAA /MAA-CDG-JFK flights. I flew the CDG-MAA leg a few times. Too bad it did not last. There were at least
99 TOLtommy : DL never flew PDX-HKG. HKG always originated from LAX. Original routing was LAX-ANC-HKG, then went nonstop LAX-HKG once the Mighty Dogs came into the
100 mayor : Heard a rumor, once, that the pilots on this route had some "unofficial" alternates within Communist China that they were willing to use and just wal
101 DesertAir : In the mid 80s I flew on a Delta MD-11 from SFO to LAX. It was an early morning departure. Also a night flight from SFO to Atlanta in 1986 and then fr
102 TOLtommy : No you didn't. The MD-11 didn't enter the fleet until 1991. You may be thinking of the L1011. SFO-LAX on DL in 1986 is also highly unlikely since DL
103 MLD9S : Don't be so quick to tell someone they are wrong when you are also not 100% correct. You are correct one your first point. The MD-11 did not begin se
104 mayor : I don't believe that DL was allowed to carry revenue pax between SFO-LAX-SFO (unless it was thru traffic) and so most of those were tags on the end of
105 MLD9S : I have never heard of a domestic carrier not allowed to carry revenue passengers between two domestic points in the post-deregulation era. I know thi
106 Viscount724 : Why not? That was several years after deregulation and there no restrictions on where US carriers could operate on domestic routes.
107 mayor : Well, that's what I remember at the time. Perhaps California put a restriction on it. I'm just going by what I can remember. Perhaps there was a restr
108 L1011Lover : I don't think California as a state was allowed to make such restrictions. Post de-regulation any US carrier was allowed to fly between any two point
109 Viscount724 : Don't think there would have been any legal basis for that kind of restriction.
110 timz : Okay, how about pre-1978? TWA and Pan Am wouldn't have been able to carry domestic passengers on some/all domestic legs of their international flight
111 DeltaRules : Wasn't there an instance where a DL MD-11 had to divert to Wright-Patterson AFB (Dayton, OH) due to weather & a medical emergency, causing quite a
112 MLD9S : Actually, no....TWA never had any major restrictions on where they could fly passengers. TWA was just as much as domestic carrier as they were an int
113 TOLtommy : That's why I said it was "highly unlikely", instead of wrong. Okay, they operated it as a tag, not on the MD-11.
114 MLD9S : I wasn't referring to your comment that DesertAir didn't fly on an MD-11 in the mid-80s. I was referring to your comment that there was no intra-west
115 mayor : I don't think the DOT had any control over INTRASTATE travel. Just my recollection. I do know that we, as employees thought it was a non-rev special
116 N864DA : Flew N802DE ZRH-ATL in March 2002. They only flew the MD-11s there for a short time period; I remember they switched back to the 763 less than a year
117 DL1011 : It was a jammed horizontal stab. I believe that weather at the original destination was an issue and with stab issues, they decided to go to Wright.
118 Post contains links DL1011 : I thought the MD-11 going into Wright AFB was due to a rag jamming the stab but I found this: THIS NTSB MONTHLY REPORT DATABASE ADDED THE FOLLOWING; S
119 mayor : Ok, here's a clarification of what I was alluding to about the DL service between LAX and SFO. I was sort of right....sort of wrong. This is from a fr
120 MLD9S : Based on the original topic at hand...no....you were simply wrong. The question being debated was whether a poster could have flown on a Delta intra-
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