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Update On Qantas Boeing 747-400 Upgrades  
User currently offlinesexyadonis From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 20471 times:

As most of you already know, a few months ago QANTAS announced the removal of First Class on the Boeing 747-400s. Sources have now informed me that the final configuration for the 9 Boeing 747-400s will be 58 Business, 36 Premium Economy and 265 Economy.

The current configurations of the 4 Class Boeing 747-400 are:

14 First, 53 Business, 32 Premium Economy, 255 Economy (on RR engine)
14 First, 66 Business, 40 Premium Economy, 187 Economy (on GE engine ER)

Does anyone have any preliminary information on the layout of the cabins? Will the 58 seats in J occupy Zone A plus Zone B or will they just occupy Zone A plus the Upper Deck? What Zone will Premium Economy occupy?

I would have expected an increase in the number of Premium Economy seats being offered but it seems that this will not be that case.

As always, your thoughts, insights and additional information are always welcome.

Thanks

Sexy Adonis

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User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 20316 times:

From what I can gather Premium Economy where and when fitted will be positioned between Business and Economy on the main deck. Business is fitted on all upper decks.

If I remember rightly PE is not offered on QF's 744's with registrations VH-OJA/B/C/D/E/I & J. They are configured 56J/356Y

The routes QF offer PE on can be found through the link underneath

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl.../premium-economy-rollout/global/en

The nine aircraft that are having F removed will be reconfigured in from the end of 2011 through until the end of 2012. Once the reconfiguration takes place QF will only offer F on 12 x A380's and the 6 x 744ER's

The non First aircraft are to be deployed on high density routes hence the reason they are not fitted more PE seats. BA did a similiar thing with there 3 class 777's they reduced the PE cabin from the standard 32 or 40 to 24. To fit more economy seats in.


http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wi...es-y-affirms-air-nz-and-v-aus.html



Details of QF's seat plans are availble on the website

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...ft-seat-map-boeing-744er/global/en


[Edited 2010-05-03 23:10:38]

User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 20106 times:

I think the reconfigurations are planned for mid to late 2011, how much flexibility does this leave them? When will the final layouts be confirmed? I hope we see LED lighting throughout the cabin and on the three non-ER aircraft that are staying the new Boeing interior fitted. Any word on an improved Bar or snack offering on board the 747s with this reconfig?

User currently offlineditzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 718 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 19969 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 1):
Once the reconfiguration takes place QF will only offer F on 12 x A380's and the 6 x 744ER's

Only nine 744s are being retained. The youngest three RRs and the GE-ERs. All will be three class. No 744s will have First, I am afraid.


Quoting smi0006 (Reply 2):
I hope we see LED lighting throughout the cabin and on the three non-ER aircraft that are staying the new Boeing interior fitted. Any word on an improved Bar or snack offering on board the 747s with this reconfig?

You won't see 'Signature' interiors on the three RRs to be retained. Seats and IFE to 380 standard. Employee communications mention the 744s are to be brought to 380 standard in terms of the hard product. To me that means yes to the Economy snack bars, but that's mere opinion at this stage!


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 19935 times:

What about other B 747-400s? I suppose they will retain first class right? Will they keep first class on flights from SYD/MEL to HKG/LHR/LAX?

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 19880 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 4):
What about other B 747-400s? I suppose they will retain first class right? Will they keep first class on flights from SYD/MEL to HKG/LHR/LAX?

They will only retain 9 744s beyond probably 2013 which were delivered from 1999/2003. The rest are all 1989/93 birds and sadly will be retired by QF.

They will only keep F on 12 A380s as mentioned which will fly SYD/MEL-LAX and SYD/MEL-LHR via SIN only. BKK/HKG-LHR services will be either 744s or 3 class A380s with no F.


User currently offlineflyboysp From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 19875 times:

As of now, there are no plans for the 747-400s to have 1st class. The only aircraft in the QF fleet which will have 1st class will be the first 12 A380s, which will be flying SYD/MEL to LHR via SIN and SYD/MEL to LAX.


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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 19857 times:

So how many B 747-400s will remain 4 class for now? And they are???

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10697 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 19722 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 5):
They will only retain 9 744s beyond probably 2013 which were delivered from 1999/2003. The rest are all 1989/93 birds and sadly will be retired by QF.
Quoting United Airline (Reply 7):
So how many B 747-400s will remain 4 class for now? And they are???

If the first info is correct (and its quite likely that QF retires its 744s at the same age as the 742s and 743s before - at about 22 years old) then the 1989-92-built VH-OJA to -OJR (-OJK has been retired already) will remain as they are now.


User currently offlineZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 19686 times:

Quoting na (Reply 8):
(-OJK has been retired already

Funny about that, after an oxygen bottle slamms from below, through the main deck to the upper deck



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10697 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19594 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 9):
Funny about that, after an oxygen bottle slamms from below, through the main deck to the upper deck

Yeah, thats the one, but it flew for a year or so after repairs so the incident wasnt the occasion to retire it, but probably influenced the decision to park it before its sisters.

Quoting na (Reply 8):
If the first info is correct (and its quite likely that QF retires its 744s at the same age as the 742s and 743s before - at about 22 years old) then the 1989-92-built VH-OJA to -OJR (-OJK has been retired already) will remain as they are now.

I forgot the three secondhand 744s which have to be added here. One being VH-OEB which is carrying the special football livery now and which is the only one of the older QF 744s to carry the new livery.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4819 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19537 times:

Quoting sexyadonis (Thread starter):

Does anyone have any preliminary information on the layout of the cabins? Will the 58 seats in J occupy Zone A plus Zone B or will they just occupy Zone A plus the Upper Deck? What Zone will Premium Economy occupy?

I'd imagine it will be A, B, F zones as J... since the J seats will take up more room than the current ones. Likely that the J bar might be moved into the back of B zone perhaps or inbetween A and B zones. This would free up some room in C zone. C zone will be W. Since it is only 36 W instead of the 40 I expect the back part of C zone to be Y.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 1):
If I remember rightly PE is not offered on QF's 744's with registrations VH-OJA/B/C/D/E/I & J. They are configured 56J/356Y

These aircraft are being retired/sold.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19532 times:

Quoting na (Reply 10):
I forgot the three secondhand 744s which have to be added here. One being VH-OEB which is carrying the special football livery now and which is the only one of the older QF 744s to carry the new livery.

OEC and OED have already been retired a little before OJK.

Quoting na (Reply 8):
then the 1989-92-built VH-OJA to -OJR (-OJK has been retired already) will remain as they are now.

I'd imagine that is correct along with OEB.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 7):
So how many B 747-400s will remain 4 class for now? And they are???

20 are currently 4 class in 2 seperate configs.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3617 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19325 times:

Which one ran off the runway in BKK? -OJM?


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User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19249 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 13):
Which one ran off the runway in BKK? -OJM?

OJH


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10697 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19250 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 13):
Which one ran off the runway in BKK? -OJM?

OJH. Has seen more than 10 years of apparently troublefree service since then.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19019 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 12):
Quoting United Airline (Reply 7):
So how many B 747-400s will remain 4 class for now? And they are???

20 are currently 4 class in 2 seperate configs.

So will they remain 4 class? How many of them will go 3 class and how many of them will remain 4 class? How many of them are retired?


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4635 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 16992 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 16):
So will they remain 4 class? How many of them will go 3 class and how many of them will remain 4 class? How many of them are retired?

ALL Qantas B747-400s will be reconfigured to have J, W and Y class only.

None will remain 4 class, they will all become 3 class.

All current 2 class 747-400s will be the next to be retired.

All reconfigurations commence in mid to late 2011, otherwise all will remain the same as they are now.



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User currently onlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2437 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14379 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 1):

The nine aircraft that are having F removed will be reconfigured in from the end of 2011 through until the end of 2012. Once the reconfiguration takes place QF will only offer F on 12 x A380's and the 6 x 744ER's

The non First aircraft are to be deployed on high density routes hence the reason they are not fitted more PE seats. BA did a similar thing with there 3 class 777's they reduced the PE cabin from the standard 32 or 40 to 24. To fit more economy seats in.

Thanks for the details. So effectively, in time, the 744s will become what the 743s were in QF's fleet. Not at all a surprise, and F simply moves to newer aircraft (which service the more prominent/higher-yielding routes), again not a surprise.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4819 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14136 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 18):

Thanks for the details. So effectively, in time, the 744s will become what the 743s were in QF's fleet. Not at all a surprise, and F simply moves to newer aircraft (which service the more prominent/higher-yielding routes), again not a surprise.

Kind of but not really. The 743s were in 2 class configuration with J only in A and F zones... the rest of the plane was Y. They were used mostly on the SYD/MEL-PER runs and for filling in occasionally (ie MEL-AKL-LAX).
The 744s will be 3 class without a huge Y section and will continue to fly long haul international ops. The PER runs are being done by A330s.



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User currently onlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2437 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14100 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 19):
Kind of but not really. The 743s were in 2 class configuration with J only in A and F zones... the rest of the plane was Y. They were used mostly on the SYD/MEL-PER runs and for filling in occasionally (ie MEL-AKL-LAX).
The 744s will be 3 class without a huge Y section and will continue to fly long haul international ops. The PER runs are being done by A330s.

Well yea kind of. I'm sure you get what I mean though, QF is not deleting F from the fleet or relinquishing it to only LHR/LAX...which posters on that other past thread oft insinuated.



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User currently onlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5635 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13969 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 20):
QF is not deleting F from the fleet or relinquishing it to only LHR/LAX...which posters on that other past thread oft insinuated

They ARE keeping it on SYD/MEL-LHR/LAX ONLY. It will be phased out on ALL other routes as the B744s are retired or converted to 3 class machines. So QF will end up with a VLA fleet of 12 A380s 4 class; 8 A380s 3 class & 9 B744/744ERs 3 class. The other WBs, the A330s and B787s are/will be 2 or 3 class only.

Gemuser



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User currently onlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2437 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13939 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 21):

They ARE keeping it on SYD/MEL-LHR/LAX ONLY. It will be phased out on ALL other routes as the B744s are retired or converted to 3 class machines. So QF will end up with a VLA fleet of 12 A380s 4 class; 8 A380s 3 class & 9 B744/744ERs 3 class. The other WBs, the A330s and B787s are/will be 2 or 3 class only.

Thanks. All the 744ER's are going to 3 class also? Pity. *confused*  
Too bad QF can't support it elsewhere, but they have a lot of competition.
I'd be interested to know where the 3-class A388s are going.



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User currently onlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5635 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13876 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 22):
I'd be interested to know where the 3-class A388s are going.

This is a VERY good question.

18 A380s are required to operate all current SYD/MEL-LHR/LAX frequencies, 12 4 class A380s can operate daily SYD/MEL-LHR & MEL-LAXand twice daily SYD-LAX, so 3 class aircraft, either the B744s or 3 class A380s must cover the 2 nd daily on both SYD/MEL-LHR, which will take 6 airframes.

They could operate the 3 class A380s on the second daily SYD/MEL-LHR as the cheap fare flight. They could put a 3 Class A380 on SYD-SIN-FRA. They could put a 3 class on AKL-LAX and/or SYD-JNB, neither of which I would think likely. They could use a 3 class A380 on SYD-NRT, IF JL withdraw from the route ( by no means definate, but not inconcivable.)

My guess is a relatively high density 3 class plane on the second daily SYD/MEL-LHR frequency. Probably not UU's 850 pax standard, but may be 700-750 pax. At the right price they could easily fill them and with the A380s CASK they should still make money!

Gemuser



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4635 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13575 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 22):
Thanks. All the 744ER's are going to 3 class also? Pity. *confused*

Yes, they are indeed.

I would say that they only need 12 x A380 with F... and it would probably be very difficult to put the A380 F into a 744  



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25 United Airline : Regarding the A 380, how many options does QF have? I suppose they will exercise them some day right?
26 Post contains images cpd : Wasn't it 20 orders, and 4 options remaining, for a total of 24, if they exercised the options. Note the confused emoticon before you all attack me f
27 thegeek : My prediction is that SYD-SIN-FRA is first in line. (absorbing 3 A388s) BNE-LAX, SYD-EZE and SYD-SFO will remain 744 (absorbing 5 744s) That leaves S
28 AJ : VH-OJS and VH-OJU also have the new livery.
29 gemuser : Orginally 12 firm and 12 options. 8 of the options have been exercised, leaving 4 outstanding, as cpd said. I would guess that they will be exercise
30 SSTsomeday : So they don't plan to send the 380 to SFO? I would have though they would. Not enough transfer traffic on partner airlines?
31 thegeek : They need to build up the route to at least a daily frequency before they even think about sending A380s there. With the reconfigurations of the 744s
32 na : I know. But I was talking about the OLDER 744s which are being retired over the next years. The two a/c you mentioned are among the younger 1999/2000
33 cpd : Might be worth a try, if you can fill them up properly.
34 Singapore 777 : I seem to remember reading somewhere that a plan to do that on the SYD/MEL-PER runs was scrapped because compared to the B743, the B744 simply was no
35 thegeek : Just speculating, but I would suggest that difference in fuel burn between the RR 743 & RR 744 isn't huge. The only real difference is the newer
36 United Airline : What about MEL-HKG-LHR and SYD-HKG? Will they retain first class?
37 thegeek : I can't see that being logical. HKG-LHR is struggling to remain daily, and as for SYD-HKG, that was double daily so it wouldn't make sense to have so
38 United Airline : Regarding the A 380, how many options does QF have? I suppose they will exercise them some day rig The B 747-400s will retain first class for now righ
39 gemuser : No The B 747-400s will retain first class for now right?[/quote] They ARE keeping it on SYD/MEL-LHR/LAX ONLY. It will be phased out on ALL other rout
40 United Airline : But the B 747-400s will be around fo sometime right? Wonder if QF will install first class on future A 380s they order. I mean the options.
41 thegeek : It's a possibility. It would require strong premium demand in the future though. If for example, they see an F market in SYD-SIN-FRA, that may go to
42 gemuser : It was mentioned by somebody in an earlier thread, can't remember who, that QF may stop selling F on all routes not keeping F even before the aircraf
43 Singapore 777 : You have to wonder though, given the versatility of the domestic A332 that they could perhaps take maybe two or three more frames and use them to bee
44 aussie747 : I would expect SYD-JNB to be an A380 route even in 1st class. As F class has been quite good for QF on that route and not full of redemptions. This co
45 Post contains links gemuser : QF have said that F will be offered on SYD/MEL-LHR & SYD/MEL-LAX. See: http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2010/feb10/4017
46 thegeek : I'd say that may well be one of the last routes to keep the 4 class 744s, but unless it can upgrade to daily, how can it go A380? I'm not sure why yo
47 ditzyboy : The new ones in 'domestic' config have Panasonic PTVs at every seat.
48 Singapore 777 : Haha... my apologies, I let my excitement overwhelm me. I was recently on VH-EBM and EBN lately (but only on the SYD-MEL-SYD sectors) and I was absol
49 United Airline : I would expect SYD-JNB to be an A380 route even in 1st class. As F class has been quite good for QF on that route and not full of redemptions. This co
50 AJ : VH-EBJ will be off to Jetstar when EBO, a PTV equipped domestic aircraft, enters service.
51 gemuser : Not if the four options are exercised for non F aircraft, which I expect to happen around 2012. Then it'll be 12 each. I really get the impression th
52 thegeek : Was this fitted later? I've been on a domestic A332 without it, and I mean post JQ-international formation. Or did you mean that only some have it?
53 ZK-NBT : VH-EBM and EBN have AVOD throughout, EBJ doesn't but it will go to JQ later this year when QF receive EBO brand new which will also have AVOD through
54 United Airline : I would expect SYD-JNB to be an A380 route even in 1st class. As F class has been quite good for QF on that route and not full of redemptions. This co
55 Post contains images airnewzealand : Watch that space. At this time they think F will not improve for another 3+ years...thus the next load of aircraft being delivered with 3 class produ
56 gemuser : Not what I hear, but you are MUCH, MUCH closer than I am these days! So where will the number 11 & 12 F equipped aircraft go? MEL-HKG-LHR? SYD-BK
57 thegeek : I couldn't suggest another route more likely to go F. It wouldn't make sense to put F on MEL-HKG-LHR as MEL-LHR already is served by F. If you are co
58 Post contains images airnewzealand : Was never in trouble...HKG as a PORT was fine. HKG-LHR as a single was...thus why they dropped frequency in order to keep it viable (now changing due
59 ZuluAlpha : Agreed, the retiming of the flights into HKG (QF97, QF67, QF87) all connect nicely for the QF29 HKG/LHR. But I was privvy to some interesting data ju
60 thegeek : JNB I would agree is a possibility. Why would the other LHR routes go F though, when they are already served by F? Are you about to tell me it's for
61 AirNiugini : How is QF1/2 doing for Qantas? Is that flight mainly focused on SYD - LHR market? or Australia - Thailand? or Thailand - Europe? I always wondered ab
62 gemuser : See reply 58. Either MEL-HKG-LHR or SYD-BKK-LHR is likely to get a F equipted A380. The poster obviously thinks it'll be the via HKG route, in which
63 thegeek : In fact, won't they need 3 more F equipped frames to do even one of those? SYD-LAX 2x daily: 4 frames MEL-LAX daily: 2 frames SYD-SIN-LHR daily: 3 fr
64 gemuser : See reply 54, SYD-LAX 1 daily A380, 1 daily B744ER That will allow MEL-HKG-LHR, I presume, with the A380 only spending about 6 hours at LHR instead o
65 smi0006 : Has any reason why not been offered? I would have thought that they would install the LED lighting in economy on the ERs and do a full interior upgra
66 thegeek : Maybe, but we are still ignoring maintenance. Besides the part that 1x daily A380 on SYD-LAX wasn't mentioned in reply 54. Another possibility would
67 EK413 : Agreed... From what I hear she is operating stronger than ever... EK413
68 gemuser : Sorry, it was reply 55: But I agree it will be a pretty hard worked VLA fleet, but don't forget the long lay overs on some rotations. I'd bet that a
69 thegeek : Doh! Missed that one. Thanks. So, I'm guessing 3x weekly 2.5 class A380 and 3-4 weekly 2.5 class 744ER for the second SYD-LAX flight? Is that what re
70 gemuser : Exactly, "as discussed on A.net". We simply do not have enough information to track aircraft rotations. Even back when QF had just 21 B707-338 and 2
71 ZK-NBT : On current schedules though even allowing for QF9/10 and 31/32 being daily A380s and say QF1/2 and QF29/30 being 744s it means that QF1 would turn as
72 gemuser : True, but you can do parts of "progressive" B & C checks, which I am told both QF & JQ have introduced. Gemuser
73 Panman : There are three types of checks they do. 1. One for the aircraft on the ground less than 6 hours 2. One for the aircraft on the ground more than 6 ho
74 thegeek : Pretty good suggestion. People actually flying SYD-BKK would still be served by the BA codeshare, and it would also allow MEL-BKK flying while saving
75 ZK-NBT : Well with 20 A380s if 4x LHR and 1x FRA were all to get them that would use 15 with atleast 1 SYD-LAX and 1 MEL-LAX which would use 19, the problem i
76 thegeek : Plans above suggested only 1 daily SYD-LAX flight would be F equipped. Although it may well work out that all flights will be F equipped as you sugge
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