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New "United" Cabin Configuration Predictions  
User currently offlinevvanderlust From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 21764 times:

I predict the "new" UA will :
1 Go all BusinessFirst and rip out F on "old" UA fleet. QF & CX have recently said that they no longer see a strong business case for keeping a three class product (even in Asia). Might even allow for fewer FAs
2. Install a REAL premium Y product on long haul like QF, VS, BA, AF, NZ.
3. Keep E+ on domestic routes for ancillary revenue opportunity and LCC differentiator.
4. P.S lives on to duke it out w/ DL Biz Elite & AA three class birds on Transcons but not every flight.
5 Goodbye Ch. 9 - pilots hate it and security "fears".
And my wild card prediction and much loved A.net rant - 747s get nose to tail AVOD (hey Delta is spending the coin
now for the NW birds...just saying...)

So what do you think?

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User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 21639 times:

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
1 Go all BusinessFirst and rip out F on "old" UA fleet. QF & CX have recently said that they no longer see a strong business case for keeping a three class product (even in Asia). Might even allow for fewer FAs

I think we'll reduce the amount of 3-class aircraft, and maybe eventually phase them out entirely in favor of BF.

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
2. Install a REAL premium Y product on long haul like QF, VS, BA, AF, NZ.

I don't think so. I can see E+ happening, but not premium economy.

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
3. Keep E+ on domestic routes for ancillary revenue opportunity and LCC differentiator.

I think this might depend on how the regionals shake out.

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
4. P.S lives on to duke it out w/ DL Biz Elite & AA three class birds on Transcons but not every flight.

Agreed 100%. P.S. flights may also be added to EWR.

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
5 Goodbye Ch. 9 - pilots hate it and security "fears".

Depends on the cost. If it's inexpensive enough to add to CO aircraft we may see it fleetwide, otherwise it will be deactivated as other IFE is added to the fleet.


User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2856 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 21627 times:

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
1 Go all BusinessFirst and rip out F on "old" UA fleet. QF & CX have recently said that they no longer see a strong business case for keeping a three class product (even in Asia). Might even allow for fewer FAs

UA just invested a huge amount in overhauling F and J in its entire international widebody fleet. I would be shocked to see them tear out all those new state of the art seats and replace them with a lackluster BusinessFirst product. Doing so would be a step in the wrong direction as it would alienate the airline's important FFs in Europe, Washington, Chicago, San Fran, LA, Asia, and Australia. Remember, UA still competes against plenty of airlines that see a strong case for keeping a three class product - BA, EK, SQ, etc. Now, will CO's entire int'l fleet be upgraded to the 4 class (F/J/E+/E) UA standard? I doubt it, as I see a strong need for two class planes on high density non-premium routes like DUB, ATH, TPE, etc.

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
2. Install a REAL premium Y product on long haul like QF, VS, BA, AF, NZ.

This would be great, but there is no pressing need for UA to revamp Y+ because none of its main (U.S.) competitors even offer it! If AA and/or DL ever introduced it, then I could see a compelling reason for UA to up the ante.

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
3. Keep E+ on domestic routes for ancillary revenue opportunity and LCC differentiator.

Absolutely. Key competitors like B6 and F9 offer extra legroom, so it would be foolish for the new UA to do away with it.

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
4. P.S lives on to duke it out w/ DL Biz Elite & AA three class birds on Transcons but not every flight.

UA will become a major player in New York overnight - I could certainly see this service staying, although AVOD throughout the plane would probably be a good move.

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
5 Goodbye Ch. 9 - pilots hate it and security "fears".

Why get rid of it? Doing so would be like F9 cutting the YX cookie - not a good move for obvious reasons.

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
And my wild card prediction and much loved A.net rant - 747s get nose to tail AVOD (hey Delta is spending the coin
now for the NW birds...just saying...)

If the 744s are to be the flagship of the combined fleet, this would certainly be an important move. UA continues to fall behind its competitors on transpacific routes as it ignores AVOD for the long sectors...



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3659 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 21558 times:

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
Go all BusinessFirst and rip out F on "old" UA fleet.
Quoting nws2002 (Reply 1):
I think we'll reduce the amount of 3-class aircraft, and maybe eventually phase them out entirely in favor of BF.
Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 2):
replace them with a lackluster BusinessFirst product.

I wouldn't call CO's new lie-flat BF seat lackluster. So now both UA and CO have new J seats they are introducing to most of their international fleet.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 2):
although AVOD throughout the plane would probably be a good move.

Well if they add AVOD, they should go ahead and install in-seat power as well.

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
So what do you think?

Add LiveTV to the A319s/A320s.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 21334 times:

744 & 772s P/C/Y+/Y (Pacific excluding Micronesia, Middle East, India, European trunk routes)
762/3/4 & former CO 752 J/Y+/Y (Latin America, Africa, secondary European routes, Hawaii, Micronesia)
753 & UA ETOPS 752s J/Y+/Y (Hawaii)
UA P.S. 752s P/J/Y+ (P.S.)
UA non-ETOPS 752s & 735/7/8/9/9ER & 320/319 F/Y+/Y (Domestic, Micronesia)

Key:
P UA International First
J CO Business First
C UA Business
F Domestic First
Y+ Economy Plus
Y Economy

You would end up using both products this way....

If I also had my way all wide body and ETOPS 757s would have AVOD in every seat and the rest of the fleet would have LiveTv and WiFi. In seat power and Chanel 9 across the entire fleet of course.... 



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User currently offlineSlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 21076 times:

I think that offering P.S. to EWR is a no brainer now especially to connect with the European flight banks at a minimum. There are many people that are paying for business class from Europe and would love to have P.S. business all the way to SFO or LAX.

Maybe PS will need some cabin reconfigurations. I am thinking maybe a larger business section and regular coach seating in the back. The 757 seems like a good aircraft to keep using. EWR will need regular 738/739 service to move the masses even if P.S. is added I would think.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20607 times:

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 5):
I think that offering P.S. to EWR is a no brainer now especially to connect with the European flight banks at a minimum. There are many people that are paying for business class from Europe and would love to have P.S. business all the way to SFO or LAX.

P.S. won't work well on hub to hub flights it was created to cater to higher yielding O&D out of NY and while there is a substantial amount of that out of EWR there is also a need for capacity in the market which kind of kills P.S. I would guess that its more likely that you will see a couple of 3 class wide bodies flying the routes instead just like you see with LAX/SFO-IAD



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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20478 times:

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 5):
I think that offering P.S. to EWR is a no brainer now especially to connect with the European flight banks at a minimum. There are many people that are paying for business class from Europe and would love to have P.S. business all the way to SFO or LAX.
Quoting United1 (Reply 6):
P.S. won't work well on hub to hub flights it was created to cater to higher yielding O&D out of NY and while there is a substantial amount of that out of EWR there is also a need for capacity in the market which kind of kills P.S. I would guess that its more likely that you will see a couple of 3 class wide bodies flying the routes instead just like you see with LAX/SFO-IAD

The UA P.S. 757s do not offer enough capacity for what will soon be hub to hub routes (EWR-LAX, EWR-SFO), in the P.S. configuration UA's 757s seat the same amount of passengers as CO's 737-500s. This Summer CO is offering the following between EWR and LAX and EWR and SFO;

EWR-LAX (7 daily)
2 737-800, 1 737-900ER, 2 757-200, 2 757-300
1,279 daily seats

EWR-SFO (6 daily)
2 737-800, 3 737-900ER, 1 757-300
1,057 seats

UA;

JFK-LAX (6 daily)
6 757-200
660 seats

JFK-SFO
7 757-200
770 seats

I think the P.S. service will stay at JFK to focus on the O&D market, EWR will most likely be a mix of three class widebodies, Businessfirst equipped 757-200s and two class 737-800s, 737-900ERs and 757-300s.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20325 times:

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
5 Goodbye Ch. 9 - pilots hate it and security "fears".
Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
1 Go all BusinessFirst and rip out F on "old" UA fleet. QF & CX have recently said that they no longer see a strong business case for keeping a three class product (even in Asia). Might even allow for fewer FAs

Will we see more mainline flights within North America? Or even widebodies?

I suppose UA will still be installing new first class and first class will remain right? What about CX? Will CX/UA remove first class completely? Doubt it. They need them on many routes


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9508 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20259 times:

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):

1 Go all BusinessFirst and rip out F on "old" UA fleet. QF & CX have recently said that they no longer see a strong business case for keeping a three class product (even in Asia)

First class is a major selling point for United. For the most part, UA only operates to international cities that can support it. UA has a different international strategy than CO. UA focuses on the large core business cities in the world. NRT, FRA, SYD, & HKG all can support first class. CO serves a lot of smaller cities in Europe that do not necessarily have the need for first class. Combining with CO allows three class planes to be operated to the cities that support them.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20012 times:

The new "United" hubs in NYC, Chicago, SF, LA, DC (plus others) - 5 of the richest metros in the country. Not having a First product will be immediately ceding the top end of the market to AA and foreign competition.

there's always some sucker who'll pay for F and do mileage runs for the sake of 2MM or 3MM. if u don't have true F, chances are, you'll always be viewed as a second class citizen.

QF has trouble with F cuz honestly, on their primary route (Kangaroo route), the competition of CX, SQ, and BA. When I look at the F products of the competition, who the heck wants to choose QF ?? These are the least price sensitive customers, so competing on low-margin high-volume is not a strategy in F.


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18922 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):
Will we see more mainline flights within North America? Or even widebodies?

I predict that UA will retain its widebody flights between hubs. These aircraft usually come off of international flights before doing domestic turns/RONS; or, operate domestically before continuing on to an international destination. There will still be a need for their capacity. I think Hawaii will also retain widebody service from key points of entry: SFO, ORD, LAX (OGG, HNL) and DEN (HNL, OGG). UA has been running 777/767/DC-10/747 classic service to Hawaii for decades, I don't expect that to change.

As for UF (United First), it will probably stay. As others have said, UA has captured a market that still exists for 3 classes of service; especially from Chicago, San Francisco and Washington, D.C.

/ UA772IAD


User currently offlineAZA330 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18835 times:

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
1 Go all BusinessFirst and rip out F on "old" UA fleet. QF & CX have recently said that they no longer see a strong business case for keeping a three class product (even in Asia). Might even allow for fewer FAs

That could make sense on the UAL 777s, since they still have the old business class...


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18648 times:

Does CO fly widebodies domestically? The B 767-200ERs? perhaps UA might put them on domestic flights?

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8287 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18438 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):
First class is a major selling point for United. For the most part, UA only operates to international cities that can support it. UA has a different international strategy than CO. UA focuses on the large core business cities in the world. NRT, FRA, SYD, & HKG all can support first class. CO serves a lot of smaller cities in Europe that do not necessarily have the need for first class. Combining with CO allows three class planes to be operated to the cities that support them.

The "New" United will keep a First Class because of LHR, FRA, NRT, SYD, HKG and GRU. It looks like Continental's 777 to India, China and Hong Kong will soon be with a First Class Cabin. The "new" United would be wise to keep BusinessFirst as its J class.


The "current" Contiental would not fly to all those secondary 757 European cities if it were not at Newark. IF UA fly their 757 from IAD or ORD they could never get past AMS or CDG. Newark( and CAL's RR highy powered and high gross weight 757) is a few hundred miles closer to Europe to allow the 757 to penetrate to Spain and Germany.


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18431 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 14):
Does CO fly widebodies domestically? The B 767-200ERs? perhaps UA might put them on domestic flights?

Other than the oddball IAH-EWR aircraft rotation, I don't believe they do- but that is just an educated guess/observation. On the other hand, they do fly widebodies (764) between EWR/IAH and HNL. That is the only regular scheduled domestic flight on a widebody that comes to mind.

Quoting vvanderlust (Thread starter):
1 Go all BusinessFirst and rip out F on "old" UA fleet. QF & CX have recently said that they no longer see a strong business case for keeping a three class product (even in Asia). Might even allow for fewer FAs

Except they still have three class products, in fact QF introduced an updated or new version of F for the A380. Don't be fooled, these airlines wouldn't dream of removing the F product from the entire fleet, particularly on flagship routes, at the risk of loosing the sought after premium frequent flyer. Part of this "strong business case" (IMO) stems from these airlines already loosing their ultra premium flyers to competition offering a better premium product (SQ, EK, EY, etc.). In addition, this "business case" sounds little more than an accountant's justification for removing a premium product on leisure routes.

As for crew staffing numbers, you won't reduce the number of FA required onboard; more likely, the number will remain the same, or additional FAs might be required, since you're increasing the number of seats in a combined Business first.

/ UA772IAD


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18380 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):
The new "United" hubs in NYC, Chicago, SF, LA, DC (plus others) - 5 of the richest metros in the country. Not having a First product will be immediately ceding the top end of the market to AA and foreign competition.

IIRC someone pointed out that when DL did the Song experiment, they lost a lot of biz pax from places like NYC who wanted F options. Granted, that's domestic, but still I think it proves the point that in those large markets, premium pax are worth chasing.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 18103 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 14):
Does CO fly widebodies domestically?

Yes,

EWR-HNL 1 767-400
IAH-HNL 2 767-400



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineRB211TriStar From United States of America, joined May 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 18067 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 17):
IIRC someone pointed out that when DL did the Song experiment, they lost a lot of biz pax from places like NYC who wanted F options. Granted, that's domestic, but still I think it proves the point that in those large markets, premium pax are worth chasing.

Similar issues with Ted. A large number of ff's and biz travelers I spoke with were always upset with the lack of an F product on some domestic routes.

UA will not ditch the F product on, at the very least, its TATL or TransPac flights. Their core FF's (and biz passengers as mentioned above) prize it too highly, especially now that they've upgraded the product. In fact, I now see a great number of people at work specifically targeting 767 and 744 UA routes for the new interiors, even if it means less friendly connections.

Just my view from the biz traveler side of the lens.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17712 times:

What about P.S. 753s to EWR, allowing for a "normal" Y class with more seats (with the normal Y+ section like any other bird), with PS C up front? 30/48/108=186 seats.

CO used 753s for capacity on domestic routes and, but would now have access to UAs large fleet of domestic widebodies for that (MCO service, LAX to hubs, now SFO to hubs), so losing a few of those redundant 753s (considering a few more are coming to the fleet) wouldn't be a killer.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 18):
EWR-HNL 1 767-400
IAH-HNL 2 767-400

And to MCO. Just saw a 764 there yesterday.
And usually on some positioning flights EWR-IAH-EWR



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3659 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17318 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 20):
What about P.S. 753s to EWR

That could work, especially since those 753s are to get both LiveTV, WiFi, and inseat power.



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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17134 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 20):
What about P.S. 753s to EWR, allowing for a "normal" Y class with more seats (with the normal Y+ section like any other bird), with PS C up front? 30/48/108=186 seats.

It seems like it would dilute the P.S. product: Real P.S. (UA 752s) to JFK AND P.S. light (modified 753s) to EWR? Though the combined airline can now support it, adding another subfleet would seem a bit complicated. If the point is to connect feed West Coast traffic through EWR on to Europe, a widebody departing in the A.M. would probably suffice. If the purpose is for O&D, perhaps two widebodies (one AM departure, one PM departure) then.


User currently offlineytib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16593 times:

Is ATC Audio(Channel 9) something which is in the pilot's contract? If so it would be a bargaining piece on either side of the table.

User currently offlinevvanderlust From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16537 times:

In thinking about this more and reading the OPs thoughts, perhaps I am too optimistic on a Premium Y. New UA's competition will be DL and AA - with DL announcing their product standardization as J/Y only - even though their biggest Skyteam and JV partner - AF is putting one in. Certainly a lot easier and cheaper to just increase the pitch between seats.

US airlines mostly view their competition as each other - not foreign carriers - I found this out in a job interview with CO a while back - so I don't think they are a good comparison.

As for keeping first class, true UA would be at a competitive disadvantage to AA certainly in NYC and ORD and a tiny bit at LAX.- but at their other international gateway hubs - SFO, IAD, IAH - both UA and CO own them, so it would not be a factor. Corporate biz contacts are almost all for U.S. based companies and I still think it is a easier sell to corporate travel departments an upgraded J product vs. F. It just looks a whole better to investors in this business climate.

OT: I recently flew CO new diamond lie flat seat and it was big, roomy. mostly private and just plain awesome!
Compare CO and UAs biz layout: 2:2 vs. 2:3:2 and you will get a sense of what I am talking about.

As for wealthy foreign nationals paying full fare F to keep it place - not likely - but I do remember when UA went into bankruptcy they were absolute in saying that they would always remain a 3 (4 counting E+) class airline. And like OPs have pointed out they do serve those cities where these types of folks reside. Hello China!

Regarding keeping for it loyalty and upgrade potential - UA has made it very clear that are out to monetize their premium real estate by the reduction in premium seat counts on their refurbished planes. "We want them to like it enough to pay for it" I recall a UA executive saying.

Finally consider the fact that the new CEO is from the CO side and "the reason that we have F is that we have always had F" might not fly with him.

I could definitely see them keeping it on the already completed 747 fleet and then NOT roll it out on UAs 45 non-refurbished birds though.

It will be interesting to see what happens to that MOD schedule now!


User currently offlineplatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16268 times:
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Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 5):
I think that offering P.S. to EWR is a no brainer now especially to connect with the European flight banks at a minimum. There are many people that are paying for business class from Europe and would love to have P.S. business all the way to SFO or LAX.

I'm wondering if the new United will try P.S on a TATL route??



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25 ATLflyer : UA will have 3 classes...4 with E+. They will have FIRST, Business/BusinessFirst (most travelers see both products as a business product) and E+/Econo
26 N104UA : There is a small chance that they could put them, but P.S. has less than 150 seats on board and I do not see them flying a route with out 200+ seats.
27 tommy767 : Hope the 'new CO' will keep up with the 3 class wide bodies on hub to hub route. I'm sure there will be some very pissed off UA elites if they don't.
28 ag92 : Slight chicken and egg problem don't you think? I mean if all the airlines think like this then what goes? Rather UA could be the first to innovate i
29 Amwest2United : Where did you hear Pilots hate it, hmmm, news to a few of them I have chatted with. They like to share that with our passengers. If the pilot doesn't
30 VC10er : If United looses First, they loose me. And tens of thousands of 1K and GS full fare flyers.
31 Pellegrine : The new UA/CO would best be served by a mixed 2/3-class fleet (with Economy +). They should cater to F pax, but all routes certainly do not need F cab
32 ual777 : Rubbish. The new United you mean...
33 BalkantoDelta : Don't take away Ch. 9 ! I love listening to it !!!!
34 VC10er : Odd this merger! All of a sudden all the closet United lovers have burst out!
35 United1 : lol...there is even a facebook page now called "Save the United Airlines Tulip"
36 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : Interesting idea. Are there any CO European routes that sell extremely well upfront but poor in back? UA could go for EWR-Paris and get open skies ou
37 jolau1701 : I'd like to see the 757-300 with PS configurations for SFO/LAX-EWR/JFK routes. It didn't quite feel "right" in a 757-200.
38 ikramerica : Yeah, I mean "free meals at mealtime" doesn't seem to mean much to him... The 752s don't have enough Y capacity for EWR. UA was using them to JFK bec
39 United Airline : Any within mainland USA? We used to see a lot of DC-10s and B767-200s flying domestically. Will UA place more widebodies within mainland USA? What ot
40 platinumfoota : Thanks! They just got one more member.
41 Post contains images RB211TriStar : Count me among them. There's nothing stopping me from turning to Lufthansa, KLM, BA, or AF if United ditches their current on-board product... they f
42 787KQ : I liked the free meals at mealtime, which differentiated Continental as a true full service carrier. I can opt to not have free meals -- if they can
43 Post contains links United1 : UAs current BoB for north america flights is actually pretty good. Flights over two hours have snack boxes and snack items (Pringles M&Ms ect.) F
44 ikramerica : Their sandwiches are horrible. Other airlines are superior. The snack boxes are good though.
45 787KQ : They are pretty horrible on all airlines. My issue is availability, and not of candy and potato chips, but of a meal. I am willing to pay for a hot s
46 ikramerica : Nah, DL's aren't bad. UA's sandwiches are two steps below. They have the quality of "free" for the price of premium...
47 United1 : To each their own I happen to like them...the ceaser salad is also very good.
48 ikramerica : I've only had them twice, so maybe they were just two bad luck flights, but the sandwiches had almost no meat, no vegetables, and the bread was soggy
49 United787 : As did I, I invited all of my friends...
50 United1 : I agree food from the airport (Qdoba is yummy although I like Moes better) is always better...UA added "fresh selections" to flights over three hours
51 AADC10 : I suspect that the new UA will keep First to key international destinations, particularly LHR and NRT, otherwise they will not be competitive with DL
52 FL787 : It's quite the predicament that UA has trying to pick between the two best new business class seats in the US... Here is my predictions for UA's new f
53 tommy767 : Would be GREAT if UA added direct tv on the existing domestic 757s. Then they could openly advertise the fact that have ptv's in Y just like DL. Woul
54 Post contains links FL787 : The 753s are supposed to get DirecTV and Gogo: http://www.continental.com/web/en-us...rtainment/directv/fleetstatus.aspx . http://phx.corporate-ir.ne
55 United1 : The 753s are used on domestic hops at the most thats a 5-6 hour flight so there should not be any issues with weight.
56 cpd : Free meals should mean real meals too, not just some pretzels or a small cookie or a muffin. They should take a leaf out of the Qantas book - the typ
57 aznmadsci : What is the average age of the 735 fleet? It doesn't seem like these would be in the fleet as long by the time actual merger comes along. I actually
58 United1 : All UA 763 International have the new F/J (IPTE) seats with AVOD. Y+/Y on the 763 has PTVs but they are not AVOD.
59 United1 : UA uses them for ORD-HNL flights...I'm not sure if they can make EWR/IAD to HNL or not. AVOF in F/J along with IPTE is done however Y+/Y will remain
60 dxing : Usually flt 106 iah to ewr is a 762 and correspondingly flt 107 ewr to iah is the same. I'm simply amazed no one has mentioned the satellite tv servi
61 aznmadsci : Do you mean LiveTV? The current 73G/738/739 currently in the fleet should all be fitted with LiveTV by the end of the year, while all the 739ERs curr
62 RayChuang : One thing I'd like to see is assigning a few of the ex-CO 757-300's and upgrading them to full p.s. configuration for the SFO-JFK and LAX-JFK flights.
63 CO767FA : The "old" UA lovers are like orphan kids in a candy store - its funny to read all these "predictions".
64 ml86 : Just to add to the speculation, how about the future aircraft to be delivered? The B788, seat around 180 in current UA config? What about the B789? Th
65 United1 : can you honestly say that any of the ex-CO lovers on here are any better? The reality is all we have seen is the outside of the plane...we haven't se
66 Pellegrine : How is that? What do you know that they do not??? I don't personally predict anything, but I sure know what UA should do.
67 STT757 : They're not designed for that market, the 757-300s are designed for high traffic, low yield routes such as EWR-Florida, EWR-Las Vegas etc.. The low C
68 dxing : Yes, it's delivered by satellite.
69 sp90 : One of the reasons I fly UA. It is calming to hear the chatter between pilot and ATC. Please don't get rid of it.
70 United1 : 14 years old on average all were delivered between 1994 and 1998. Its possible that UA could do that but I was under the impression that not all the
71 dxing : We are already flying 737-8's and 9's from LAX to HNL so what does that tell you?
72 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : They can use all the international Business Class blue blankets in Economy and keep the heavenly duvets in C and F. I had one the other night on a IAD
73 Post contains images United1 : That CO is ALLLLOT smaller then UA is to Hawaii.... UA is actually the largest airline to and from the mainland in terms of seats offered and does a
74 ikramerica : And yet they still fly 757s to Hawaii as well. CO flew a lot of cargo to/from Hawaii as well, but it didn't stop them from downsizing aircraft. Keepi
75 United1 : Absolutley they do but they also fly a significant number of wide bodies as well and the majority of the capacity comes out of the wide body lift. ..
76 dxing : They may not be empty but a lot of those seats are made up with "miles" tickets wouldn't you agree? Hawaii has never been much of people revenue prod
77 United1 : Yes and no, there are allot of people who use Hawaii to burn miles and UA carriers their fair share of it but UA, at least based off what I know and
78 VC10er : I'm a UA lover and I fear being more like a 200,000 mile traveler being caught in a Grand Hyatt vs a Park Hyatt. Without UA's First Class the new CO
79 NorthstarBoy : Logically, the new UA could take the same approach LH does, with a mix of 2 and 3 class aircraft, but that also makes aircraft subs something of a hea
80 UAL777UK : Being someone who flies out of LHR, I would be astounded if F went from that route. THe new seats are great and whilst I like the new UA seats as well
81 deltal1011man : Isn't that to many seats for the 735? Why wouldn't the 319/320s get LiveTV? they fly routes just as long as the 737. only the exTZ birds are. I belie
82 STT757 : The 12 former ATA 757-300s are ETOPS, the nine delivered straight to CO are not ETOPS. I don't think UA will take widebodies off of West Coast-Hawaii
83 kgaiflyer : Hate it? Quite the contrary. I've listened to UA pitots make all kinds of snide remarks to ATC knowing there will be no reaction from them with passe
84 N766UA : I gurantee you 99% of controllers have no idea channel 9 even exists, if you're suggesting UA pilots are somehow getting away with something because
85 FL787 : No, that's actually less than what they are configured with right now. I said they could get them eventually but it would be one of the last prioriti
86 United1 : Well it seems like UA is not stopping its cabin reconfiguration program the next IPTE 777 (N782UA) is going into the shop tomorrow.
87 UAL777UK : Is that the second. Is the first flying internationally yet?
88 surfandsnow : Why would they? They have invested a great deal of resources into the program and are reaping the benefits of doing so as people around the world are
89 Post contains images kgaiflyer : If 99% of controllers don't even know Channel 9 exists (it's been in use 15 years, yes?) then that's a riot. As far as security is concerned, I think
90 Viscount724 : Must longer than 15 years. Probably well over 30 years. I can recall channel 9 on UA flights on DC-8s, 727s and many other types with the old plastic
91 N766UA : Why? It doesn't effect their job, why would they care? You guys assume every pilot and air traffic controller is an airplane dork who loves airliners
92 CALPSAFltSkeds : The widebody fleets may be divided by theater with maybe Pacific (except GUM) having the UA birds with 4 class and most of Europe having the CO w/o C.
93 Post contains images kgaiflyer : How true. We **do** love Airliners.net (and Continental and United )
94 United1 : That is the second aircraft going in...the first one did a few international flights before being pulled off the line and flown to Korea for a paint
95 VC10er : I assume your're a Marxist! If I fly 200,000 or more miles a year and not home with my family and I need to arrive in Singapore and make a speech wit
96 NorthstarBoy : Consider, if you will, the following anecdote: At one of my previous jobs in the travel industry i found myself talking to an employee of a software
97 Post contains images jayeshrulz : I think this is wrong. When you can afford it, why not? After all, its their own money!! If i dont have $, i dont crib, coz i know one day i'll be th
98 VC10er : Ok. I'm with you. I fly United most. I think First is great. Anyone who complains about the excess of a bed that is 4 windows long, beautifully desig
99 Post contains images Rising : It's safe to say this how the new 777's will look like. At least on the old United jets!
100 Post contains images laca773 : This is cheap. A more extensive BOB menu with an actual warm and cold meal should be offered for purchase on the transcon flights, even ORD-Westcoast
101 RoseFlyer : I personally think the title BusinessFirst will disappear as quickly as possible. With UA offering fully flat business class seats, they would not wa
102 United1 : There are no burritos on the menu....I would try UAs BoB sometime before knocking it they are actually rather good. ???? UAs 767s are configured 1-1-
103 deltal1011man : Have to agree. Its ok, not great but fair. I do like DL's more though.
104 UA772IAD : In terms of aircraft movement, I agree with you for the most part. I don't think we will see 757 TATL flying out of IAD. UA never elected to try it d
105 TOMMY767 : I don't think UA 763s can make IAD/EWR-HNL but probably IAH-HNL. In terms of the 762, how about LAX-GUM?
106 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Here's the problem. IAD has twenty-three international airlines flying everything from 763s to 343s, 346s, and 747's. If I have to shop between a BA
107 United1 : The 763ER can operate those routes but that comment I made was about the 777-200. Possibly but it would be at the very edge of the 762s range.
108 United1 : Why the on board product is exactly the same except you don't have F class. Actually the 752 product in Y is a little better as COs 752s have a bette
109 kgaiflyer : You are dealing with six-figure incomes, so you've answered your own question.
110 United1 : Not everyone who has a 6 figure income (I do btw) flies in F... actually I would go out on a limb and say that those who do even fewer actually pay f
111 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Bless your heart. I'm a "6 figure" too. And I take F over J or Y when I can get it. It's a little like saying 'Who would want a townhouse in Georgeto
112 Post contains images United1 : I guess you are not planning on keeping much of your 6 figure income then... That was rather rude...I am not a simpleton or an idiot...which is what
113 kgaiflyer : Sorry friend -- in my church that's not what a blessing means. *You* are different. I think you will find they do that here.
114 United1 : yeah right....sure. I doubt that very much...but again whatever.
115 STT757 : Smisek is quoted as saying they will swap out 757s from EWR for 767-300s from IAD for Trans-Atlantic routes. But UA's new leadership is CO, not UA. H
116 TOMMY767 : 764s could have more useful missions than Hawaii. That's a bit of a cop out considering how DL has integrated most of their 764s into the long haul i
117 STT757 : The 767-400s do not have the seating capacity nor the cargo capacity that the 777-200As have, swap out the 767-400s with 777-200A models on Trans-Atl
118 TOMMY767 : Use 2-class UA domestic 763s for these routes?
119 UA772IAD : IAD is too much of an asset to screw with. The managment would be idiotic if they believe that UA frequent flyers would willingly hop on a CRJ/ERJ or
120 kgaiflyer : Perhaps the new collective management can barter/trade/lease *additional* 762 frames (they carry L-2 containers, yes?) so that IAD freight the 757s c
121 UA772IAD : Which means very little at this point. After all, aren't both airlines still going ahead with their separate cabin retrofitting plans? Nothing has be
122 United1 : I'm not sure why people keep repeating that....its simply not true...Smisek and Tilton have both said repeatedly that the new airlines management tea
123 TOMMY767 : Considering CO used to fly DC-10s on many EWR TATL routes that are now 1-2x daily 757, I think it's entirely possible for UA to fly 763 on EWR-MAN/CDG
124 kgaiflyer : I remember that CO service at IAD went from 733s to 735s to ERJ145s to Q400s to Q200s. I could never figure out if CO management was trying to 'right
125 TOMMY767 : That's all just spillage from the Kellner years. He was all about 'right sizing' the network both domestically and internationally. I never thought t
126 UA772IAD : Indeed. Of course, back in those days, no one imagined that the 757 would be the TATL player it is today. I believe, that if this merger goes through
127 TOMMY767 : I'd hope to see at least a 767 after the merger on LAX/SFO-EWR. I don't think the 738/739 some 6-7x a day cut it as it is.
128 CALPSAFltSkeds : CO's flying EWR-HNL iwth a 764ER, which has a 300 miles shorter rnage than the 763ER - 763ER can do EWR/IAD/HNL. I don't think the discussion is for
129 Post contains images TOMMY767 : And this is why you haven't seen UA expand into these markets: They will not fly their own 757 metal across the Atlantic. Compare that to way too muc
130 STT757 : CO's can. I meant that as singular, not plural. Smisek has stated the new executive leadership will tap the best talent from both airlines. Not just
131 CALPSAFltSkeds : Maybe downgraded to a 763ER and maybe IAD-HNL gets a 7643ER, but right now the EWR-HNL misconnects to GUM. If SFO or LAX-GUM were flown non-stoop, th
132 laca773 : I was not talking about flying thwe 75Ws into major markets, but secondary ones. The 75W has worked well for CO out of EWR and allows them to make mo
133 TOMMY767 : Good point but LAX-EWR has demand. Less than 10 years ago CO flew the 762 on EWR-LAX, AA flew the 757/767 (most recently a 762 in summer 2009,) and U
134 STT757 : You do realize that CO's 767-200s have roughly the same number of seats as their 737-900ERs, but with a higher CASM.
135 laca773 : I agree with you, Tommy. I miss the days when you could fly to all the major Northeastern cities on a widebody, US included (762s on LAX-PHL). I know
136 cb777 : No one has mentioned the A319/A320's...What will be their role for the new United? I wonder if EWR and IAH will see a lot or them?
137 UA772IAD : I would imagine that they'll remain an integral part of the new carrier. Right now UA utilizes them for off-peak (i.e. non wide-body or 757) hub to h
138 TOMMY767 : It would be great to see them at EWR on short haul business routes: BOS/DCA/CLT/RDU/CLE/DTW/MSP etc.
139 STT757 : Agreed, put the 737-700s/737-800s/737-900ERs on the long haul flights (BOS-LAX, IAD-SMF, SFO-PHL etc..) and put the A319s/A320s on EWR-MSP, IAH-DFW,
140 CALPSAFltSkeds : Yeh, if CO/UA has to give up some slots at EWR, then maybe the 319 can take over for two RJs in some markets and 763ERs can take over for 2X752 TATL r
141 TOMMY767 : That is a very wise idea. 5-6x RJ can be replaced with 2x RJ and 2x 319/320. And hey, maybe with this plan EWR will be less congested!
142 laca773 : The 319s are good for long thin routes and shouldn't be used soley on short hops. Doing tags on the 319 will be great.
143 LipeGIG : The 764 in my view is a good equipment for long haul and shall receive at least a F class and focus on some of the best IAH / EWR / IAD routes, toget
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