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User currently offlinevulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 518 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10008 times:

Just wondering if anyone has any news of any new Airtran cities in the near future?

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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2797 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9938 times:

Well here are some of my guesses - YYZ, MHT, BDL, ALB, SYR, BNA, BHM, LIT, CVG, PUJ, STT, GCM, PLS.


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User currently offlinecitrus1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9673 times:

Lima Puru, is the latest i'am hearing.

User currently offlineLawair From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9579 times:

Quoting citrus1 (Reply 2):
Lima Puru, is the latest i'am hearing.

That's quite a leap...even from MCO that would be the longest route in the FL network. Can any of their aircraft do ATL-LIM?


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9540 times:

Quoting Lawair (Reply 3):

Quoting citrus1 (Reply 2):
Lima Puru, is the latest i'am hearing.

That's quite a leap...even from MCO that would be the longest route in the FL network. Can any of their aircraft do ATL-LIM?

ATL-LIM is about 3177 miles
BWI-LIM is about 3,522 miles
MCO-LIM is about 2795 mi
73G range (according to Boeing) is 3365 mi

If they flew LIM from ATL, it would barely make it and stretch the 73G's performance to the max at hot-and-high LIM. MCO has more of a chance, but the connections in MCO are nowhere near that of ATL. And don't even think about BWI (that is, unless FL secretly has 73GERs).

Even if DL flies ATL-LIM (fare war anyone?), I call BS on this one.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6477 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9518 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
MCO has more of a chance, but the connections in MCO are nowhere near that of ATL.

Actually, MCO has a decent set of connections, depending on how the flight is timed. You could easily connect to 20-30 cities. With that said, I don't see FL actually flying MCO-LIM or ATL-LIM (if possible).

I don't expect a lot more new markets for FL until they get more planes which isn't scheduled to happen until next year.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9496 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
I don't expect a lot more new markets for FL until they get more planes which isn't scheduled to happen until next year.

AirTran said to expect 3-4% capacity growth this year, so you could be wrong about new 2010 cities.

Personally, I expect a few more markets to pop up due to FL's selective flight reductions, with more new markets in 2011-12.

[Edited 2010-05-04 13:32:04]


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2972 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9435 times:

FL, please come back to ALB!


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User currently offlinenomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9391 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
FL, please come back to ALB!

Definately! With the UA/CO merger, Albany will be down one carrier and we can use a little more competition.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6477 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9229 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
AirTran said to expect 3-4% capacity growth this year, so you could be wrong about new 2010 cities.

But most of that is in the first half of the year. For the second half, capacity is almost flat.


User currently offlinecitrus1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9218 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
I call BS on this one.

I Did'nt say when or how, i just stated what i was hearing, and it was said it would be from MCO.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9211 times:

I have a purely selfish question to ask and hope no one gets offended or upset by it... but why is it that AirTran has multiple destinations from most of their cities and from cities similar size as RDU, but from Raleigh-Durham they only offer flights to ATL. Is the station not doing well for the company or do they not find opportunities? I'm just trying to figure this one out..

Merci..



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3761 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9164 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
I have a purely selfish question to ask and hope no one gets offended or upset by it... but why is it that AirTran has multiple destinations from most of their cities and from cities similar size as RDU, but from Raleigh-Durham they only offer flights to ATL. Is the station not doing well for the company or do they not find opportunities? I'm just trying to figure this one out..

Where do you want FL service that you dont have flights to on another airline?

Quoting vulindlela744 (Thread starter):
Just wondering if anyone has any news of any new Airtran cities in the near future?

I think they've got some dots to connect amongst the current mix of cities.


User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1081 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9073 times:

Well, I'm going to hold out hopelessness for a return to TLH and maybe a little hope for SLC.


TLH
User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9063 times:

I'd like to see FL add PDX, preferably from say MKE or ATL (both would allow for a decent amount of connections from the east coast)

Cheers,

MCO-2-BRS


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1850 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9030 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
FL, please come back to ALB!

for that matter, FL, please come back to CVG!


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9014 times:

Manchester (MHT) would be nice, although the risk of cannibalizing PWM and/or Boston might keep them out of here.

User currently offlinecitrus1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

remember at the Q1 call Airtran's CEO stated, the Mid-west and the Carribean was were the growth would come from.

User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 860 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8887 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 12):
I think they've got some dots to connect amongst the current mix of cities.

Like ATL-DSM. Oh please GOD please add ATL-DSM.

Does anyone know how the skywest flights out of MKE are performing?


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2972 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8883 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 15):
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
FL, please come back to ALB!

for that matter, FL, please come back to CVG!

I dont think they will be back in CVG until the "hub" officially falls.

ALB!



E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/752/753/762/772/319/320/321/333
User currently offlinepvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3406 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8882 times:

I would be overjoyed to have PVD make the new market list. It seemed slightly more likely before DL started to bump PVD-ATL service this summer. There is just so much service in BOS right now in general, PVD could really use something to shake up the landscape and reverse the leakage. 2X PVD-ATL and maybe some seasonal Florida (RSW and PBI) would be awesome.

User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8629 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
I don't see FL actually flying MCO-LIM or ATL-LIM (if possible).

I would not doubt it at all actually. Ive been hearing rumors to that fact. The 737 could do it from MCO. Though I suspect that they could acquire the longer haul variant of the 737-700. It would then be easily able to fly to Lima from any one of its hubs.

Quoting citrus1 (Reply 17):
remember at the Q1 call Airtran's CEO stated, the Mid-west and the Carribean was were the growth would come from.

I would think cities such as LIT OKC TUL OMA DSM LNK would factor into this also PDX SAC FAT could be great cities as well. Also Central America is well with in the range of the current models of the 737-700's they have from any of the hub/gateway cities.



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User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8548 times:

FL just started GRR yesterday with flights to BWI and MCO. It was so good to see a 717 parked on the ramp!

As for new routes, I would hazard a guess and say no new stations, but either more flights from the Midwest to Florida, such as DSM/BMI-RSW, or expanding the BWI focus city with Midwest routes. Just my two cents.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16690 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8539 times:

Depending on what the DOT says about the CO/UA merger, there's a good chance that FL might get their EWR slots back. EWR is too big of a market for FL to not serve.


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User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8464 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 23):
Depending on what the DOT says about the CO/UA merger, there's a good chance that FL might get their EWR slots back. EWR is too big of a market for FL to not serve.

I could definitely see that. I think they would probably like to serve all 4 New York Metro Airport which they serve 2 of now.

Quoting Web (Reply 22):
As for new routes, I would hazard a guess and say no new stations, but either more flights from the Midwest to Florida, such as DSM/BMI-RSW, or expanding the BWI focus city with Midwest routes. Just my two cents.

could definitely see this happening as well. I know many think FL will shrink BWI and cant compete there but they have done anything but and if they do add a few more north points via bwi then I think the Midwestern cities to there will be great. I would love to see an innovative partnership with Marc and Amtrak for the Baltimore to DC route where you purchase a FL ticket and you get a voucher for your train ride to DC. Might add a few more butts into BWI



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25 HSVflier : Airtran is starting BWI-HSV and MCO-HSV this month.
26 Post contains images Azul320 : Reinstate ATL-TLH or start MCO-TLH would be awesome. Tickets to TLH are upwards of $600 R/T these days.
27 iowaman : A bit on the small side. OMA would go over well IMO though. I'd look for DSM-ATL before DSM-RSW.
28 Post contains images CGKings317 : FL commencing PDX service to any of their hubs/focus cities would make this poster all warm and fuzzy inside... ~CGKings317
29 JBAirwaysFan : Would love to see AirTran reinstate service to Daytona Beach, just schedule smarter. That means FL shouldn't schedule their three daily ATL flights in
30 93Sierra : I have seen Airtran kinda copy G4 by doing some weird scheduling. What if they served PHX through AZA to either ATL, MCO, MKE, or some Florida city? T
31 KcrwFlyer : did they really? Anything they did like that, they'd do through PHX. That said, that'll probably never happen. Adding routes in Florida works well fo
32 Atlwest1 : Usually during winter months definitely. Crews for the most part end up in outstations of back to the Orlando Atl or MKE base.
33 jetsetter629 : I'm surprised FL has not entered AUS
34 JBAirwaysfan : Well, four hours. Flights departed between 2:30 and 6:30 in 2008. AirTran started in January 2007 with a great schedule that spread out the flights o
35 nssd70 : Did Airtran drop Sunday service from MCO-DSM? I know they are now coming into DSM on Saturday afternoon instead of the morning. I thought they were fl
36 avconsultant : Does anyone think they'll go into ECP?
37 Post contains images KcrwFlyer : No, I think ECP is out of money....
38 Post contains images RL757PVD : It wasn't ECP's money I wonder if WN got an exlusivity clause with the St Joseph Company since the airport can't make that kind of commitment, Branso
39 Alias1024 : FAT would be an interesting experiment. The only true low fare carrier is Allegiant to LAS, the farthest East you can get non-stop is DFW, and the O&
40 RL757PVD : Delta would add it... FAT-ATL can not support 2x... then 12 months later... surprise, no more ATL service.
41 Alias1024 : FAT is a small market for DL, with just a couple of RJs to SLC. Why bother throwing money down the drain to fight AirTran over Fresno? AA and to a le
42 RL757PVD : It comes down to keeping FL from gaining any sort of foothold in ATL. Hence why most new cities no not include ATL service.
43 KcrwFlyer : Because thats all 10 of the 10 commandments in the Delta Bible.
44 congaboy : And don't forget inbound traffic for Yosemite/Sequoia/Kings Canyon. I just visited that area and flew into SFO...what a pain the arse. I would have d
45 stratosphere : Tunica Mississippi KUTA several times a week from ATL...I flew in on the second flight on friday May 7th. Small airport in the middle of nowhere and l
46 dbo861 : It's now Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. So, yes, they dropped Sunday, but it's now 3x a week..at least thru the summer.
47 DLATL37 : Would it not be a good idea for Airtran to start flying to some smaller southern cities with say 1 flight a day such as BHM, JAN, LIT, TLH, SAV, CHS,
48 RL757PVD : Delta runs 10-15x daily flights to those cities... FL could never offer a schedule that would have a chance.
49 divemaster08 : Hey we would love to see more airlines down here at GCM! Hope they may consider us down here! Would make a change to the usual big boy airlines we get
50 FL787 : GCM is very possible. So are some other caribbean and central american destinations.
51 Atlwest1 : absolutely. The planes in fleet can reach Central and upper south america and any of the Caribbean islands. Definitely an area ripe for growth with F
52 FATFlyer : About 3 years ago DL came close to adding a FAT-ATL flight. It was loaded into the desktop schedules and was a local media headline (and a.net topic)
53 FlyPNS1 : GCM is definitely possible. FAT is simply too long and thin for FL...plus DL would start the route too. FL still doesn't even fly routes like PDX-ATL
54 sw733 : A growing market for sure, especially seasonally (December to April or so), but if they do it from ATL, they have a stiff competitor in DL for a mark
55 citrus1 : Well somethings coming Airtran's hiring FA'S with water training and putting rafts on some 737,
56 LoneStarMike : Me, too. They already serve DFW, HOU, & SAT. AUS is the next largest metro area in Texas. Delta is the only carrier that provides nonstop AUS-ATL
57 Atlwest1 : The new 737's will probably definitely have life rafts. The will do water training sometime in the summer and they are hiring about 150 new FA's this
58 rampart : I've thought that COS-MCO is ripe for the taking. It's something like the largest city pair not currently serrved from COS (no surprise, MCO is always
59 thomacf : I bet they move up the road to CLE from CAK once CO draws down CLE.
60 boydatageek : CRP (Corpus Christi) would be even better. No service at all to ATL. Corpus Christi and the Costal Bend area demographically might be a great fit wit
61 KcrwFlyer : I bet they don't. a BIG part of their success in CAK has to do with CAK being CAK.... tough to decipher but most should know what I mean.
62 Buddys747 : I'd like to see FL beef up there newer cities more before expanding.
63 KcrwFlyer : I would too. People around CRW really seem to prefer the FL product over G4... but the limited schedule is a wrench in everyones travel plans.
64 gsoflyer : Airtran did well at GSO before when Delta had 10 Mainline flights per day. Now Delta has 1 Mainline and 12 CRJs of various sizes, I don't think it wo
65 FlyPNS1 : If Airtran did well, they'd still be serving GSO. I agree. I think improving frequencies on some routes and connecting the dots would strengthen FL's
66 tlhgator : Not going to happen anytime soon...Its amazing how so many people from TLH keep forgetting what happened last time FL was in the market... When the s
67 thegreatRDU : We need some of the following BWI MCO IND BOS MKE it doesn't have to be mainline OO service is better than nothing.. BOS because it's not served but
68 KcrwFlyer : OO crjs against WN, WN, B6, and F9...Bad idea. True, and Dl doesnt have WN. IF FL went to GSO, you'd have plenty of mainline back.
69 gsoflyer : Uhm, no, not necessarily. Airtran left when they wanted upgrades in the concourse and were asked to foot part of the bill. Airtran at the time was ch
70 kbpilot5 : I always remember FL doing well at GSO. Every time I flew them out of there it was pretty full flights. I don't think they will come back though since
71 gsoflyer : They could do more than that. They could do a 2 daily to ATL, 1 daily to BWI and 1 daily to BOS. All have connections, all have descent O&D from
72 bjorn14 : UA EX will start COS-IAD in June.
73 FlyPNS1 : FL would get slaughtered if they ran 2x daily on GSO-ATL versus DL running 10 daily. FL's best bet on GSO would be 2x daily to BWI and 1-2 daily to M
74 gsoflyer : I disagree. $200 on Airtran connecting through ATL vs $400 on Delta connecting through ATL on a CRJ. They didn't get murdered the first time, and tha
75 RL757PVD : Except that scenario will never happen. Delta will never be running RJs on an air tran route. They higher yeilding business fliers will stick to thei
76 rampart : Cool! Didn't know that. Been something they've wanted since WestPac left. Now, to get EWR back... -Rampart
77 FlyPNS1 : You ignore the fact that if FL re-entered GSO-ATL, DL would immediately match FL fares and add a bunch of MD88's to compete. I might also note that D
78 gsoflyer : The GSO metro is 1.5 million people. The same size as Raleigh's metro, Norfolk's metro, Nashville's metro, and a larger metro than Airtran markets li
79 KcrwFlyer : Oh well, they would now. Every airlines different and no market will behave the same for two different airlines. Skybus should have had great loads e
80 RL757PVD : Dear seakers of Air Tran-Atlanta service: Due to the current compettive environment, it is unlikely that we will be able to provide your market with l
81 Post contains images Atlwest1 : LOL P.s. When our new planes begin rolling in end of 2010 forward we will be able to reevaluate and redistribute resources that once were precious bu
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