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New Zealand Aviation Thread #76  
User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 904 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19829 times:

Welcome to the New Zealand Aviation Thread #76. In Thread #75 New Zealand Aviation Thread #75 we discussed:

  • - Air NZ HKG-LHR-HKG Daily in Jul & Aug
  • - WKA Ski Season Charters
  • - China Southern CAN-BNE-AKL
  • - SafeAir Redundancies
  • - Air NZ Trans Tasman Space Plus
  • - ZK-EAQ open cargo door emergency
  • - NZ Govt / Corporate pax ex WLG
  • - Volcanic Ash impact on Air NZ flights
  • - Air NZ 77W Schedules / Seating Plan
  • - ATR Maintenance to NSN
  • - Trans Tasman Load Factors
  • - 733/738/320 Climbout Characteristics / Performance
  • - Air NZ Schedule suggestions


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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19795 times:

Thanks for starting the new thread.

Have we got further updates on this one, regarding schedules and equipment?

Quoting PA515 (Thread starter):
China Southern CAN-BNE-AKL


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 19730 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 1):
Thanks for starting the new thread.

Thanks. Tried yesterday but had problems getting the hyperlink to work. The thread tends to stall after 200 posts.

Quoting cchan (Reply 1):
Have we got further updates on this one, regarding schedules and equipment?

Quoting PA515 (Thread starter):
China Southern CAN-BNE-AKL

There was a Chinese newspaper report that it will commence "in the new summer schedule" and other reports that it will be in September. Some websites say three days a week with an A330, another daily with a 777!

CZ has two A330-223's for delivery in the next few months, c/n's 1116 & 1129 (c/n 1107 was delivered to SQ last month).

The preferred schedule could be something like this:
CAN-BNE 2345/1045, BNE-AKL 1215/1815, AKL-BNE 2000/2030, BNE-CAN 2200/0510.

PA515


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12278 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 19597 times:
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Thanks for starting this new thread PA515!

Its excellent to see that NZ is now Australian's favourite airline and many Australians have now (finally) put their anger over AN to rest. May this new favourite airline help NZ in the long run and hopefully encourage NZ to launch more direct flights from Australia if the SYD-RAR trial is excellent.

Also hopefully the DJ/NZ relationship will also help NZ in the Austrlian markets.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6451 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 19584 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 2):
There was a Chinese newspaper report that it will commence "in the new summer schedule" and other reports that it will be in September. Some websites say three days a week with an A330, another daily with a 777!

CZ has two A330-223's for delivery in the next few months, c/n's 1116 & 1129 (c/n 1107 was delivered to SQ last month).

The preferred schedule could be something like this:
CAN-BNE 2345/1045, BNE-AKL 1215/1815, AKL-BNE 2000/2030, BNE-CAN 2200/0510.

I don't think anyone picked CZ to be the next carrier to AKL! Very interesting. Can't wait for it to be announced but I'm unsure as to whether I'd use them, even as a fun flight to BNE.



Air NZ cans two ROT flights

It seems like a slow news day as loads have been 66% and they have cancelled 2 winter flights way in advance to give people time to rebook probably through AKL.

Quote:
Hamilton city councillor Gordon Chesterman, a vocal critic of Air New Zealand's decision, said he was not surprised at news the Rotorua services were struggling to attract patronage.

He shouldn't have been surprised with the HLZ axing news either.



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User currently offlineAotearoa From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 19425 times:

On matters Rotorua. My sense on the load factor is that this number is a reasonable one, especially considering the early status of this new route. Queenstown has struggled through the shoulder season, and has often had no direct flights scheduled for an eight week period, every Autumn and Spring.

I always thought the twice per week schedule would be a difficult ask over winter, so the trimming of the odd flight well ahead of time, is a reasonable approach.

It wasn't that long ago that Queenstown had only 1 NZ service a week ex Australia!

Crew have noticed a build in the inbound customer quotient to ROT; a sure sign that this is in fact an inbound market, as much as an outbound one. Something that will never occur at HLZ.

The airline is not about to throw in the towel here folks.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 19366 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
Thanks for starting this new thread PA515!

And special thanks to you for doing about 70 of them.

PA515


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4841 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 19220 times:

Quoting Aotearoa (Reply 5):
Crew have noticed a build in the inbound customer quotient to ROT; a sure sign that this is in fact an inbound market, as much as an outbound one. Something that will never occur at HLZ.

If this is the case... then perhaps NZ could do a bit of aircraft shuffling... ie AKL-SYD-ROT-WLG-SYD-AKL for every 2nd flight or something... ie allow the inbound capacity to be high and reduce the empty outbound flights a bit... obviously the passengers are driving from ROT to elsewhere (AKL for example).



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User currently offlineProvance From Ireland, joined May 2006, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 19207 times:

Hey guys .... quick question, do air nz provide amenity kits in long haul ecomomy?


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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1652 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 19204 times:

Quoting Aotearoa (Reply 5):
Crew have noticed a build in the inbound customer quotient to ROT; a sure sign that this is in fact an inbound market, as much as an outbound one. Something that will never occur at HLZ.

My view is that NZ has seen what it can do with an inbound tourist destination (ZQN) and seeks to replicate that (albeit on a smaller scale, perhaps) at ROT. At the same time, the outbound market from secondary ports (HLZ, PMR, DUD) has been unprofitable or marginal at best for NZ - but DJ seems comfortable there for the moment, at least. It would not surprise me if there was a bit of a Tasman carve-up, with NZ taking the ZQN-Australia serviecs (DJ is only 2x weekly to SYD, if I recall), and, of course, the ROT services. DJ would take all of the HLZ and DUD services. And with both companies marketing all these services, it would be hard for QF/JQ to break in, except for their existing ZQN services.



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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19143 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 2):
The preferred schedule could be something like this:
CAN-BNE 2345/1045, BNE-AKL 1215/1815, AKL-BNE 2000/2030, BNE-CAN 2200/0510.

That would be a good timing for people who need to catch onward flights within China, and should provide some competition to NZ's HKG route, assuming CZ's fares will be cheaper.

Quoting Provance (Reply 8):
do air nz provide amenity kits in long haul ecomomy?

They only give us the kits in our dreams. In other words, no.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12278 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19017 times:
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Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 7):

An A320 flying a regional route would certainly be interesting, but I can see the merit of the A320 operating the route instead of flying an empty aircraft on a ferry flight


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6451 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18990 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 10):
That would be a good timing for people who need to catch onward flights within China, and should provide some competition to NZ's HKG route, assuming CZ's fares will be cheaper.

Yes, very good. CZ's fares are IMO extremely likely to be cheaper than CX and NZ to HKG - CX's fares are among the highest in getting to HKG even (SQ is cheaper via SIN, MH cheaper via KUL, BI cheaper via BWN etc..). I wonder if it is to be the start of looking for a nonstop flight to CAN just like BI have pulled out of the BNE stopover to AKL. Seeing as this seems to be the next carrier to AKL, who will follow?



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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18862 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 12):
I wonder if it is to be the start of looking for a nonstop flight to CAN just like BI have pulled out of the BNE stopover to AKL.

I guess the difference between CZ and NZ is the onward domestic connections from CAN, where CZ has an advantage and is able to offer more attractive fare. AKL-CAN would be mostly Y passengers who want the cheapest fares, IMO.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 12):
CX's fares are among the highest in getting to HKG even

Sometimes CX can be cheaper than NZ, especially when they are both on special. NZ's specials only discount about 10-15% on this route, but CX can go further than that.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12278 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18503 times:
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Government is looking at new passenger planes for domestic flying and is looking at the Q300 or the Casa 235 as possible purchases

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3668...Govt-to-look-at-new-defence-planes

Would be interesting to see a Q300/400 painted in RNZAF colours


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 18264 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
Its excellent to see that NZ is now Australian's favourite airline

I've been offline for several days: what does the above quote refer to?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6451 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 18245 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 15):
I've been offline for several days: what does the above quote refer to?

There was some clip in the SMH about this - check out the end of last thread for more but in short it said that Aussies were more satisfied after flights on NZ than any other airline.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 18062 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 2):
The preferred schedule could be something like this:
CAN-BNE 2345/1045, BNE-AKL 1215/1815, AKL-BNE 2000/2030, BNE-CAN 2200/0510.

I'd say something like that would be very likely given I read that the aircraft would otherwise spend 11 hrs in BNE.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 12):
Seeing as this seems to be the next carrier to AKL, who will follow?

In and article I read on NZ/DJ tie up there was a brief mention of 2 new airlines looking to enter the Tasman later this year, CZ for 1 could be any of a number for the other from D7 to OOL/MEL-CHC/AKL, TG increase AKL to daily with additional flight via BNE or SYD/MEL, EY could be possible to.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12278 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 18043 times:
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Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 17):
In and article I read on NZ/DJ tie up there was a brief mention of 2 new airlines looking to enter the Tasman later this year,

In an article on stuff.co.nz the possible airlines were CZ, Asia X and TT


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17978 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
Quoting koruman (Reply 15):
I've been offline for several days: what does the above quote refer to?

There was some clip in the SMH about this - check out the end of last thread for more but in short it said that Aussies were more satisfied after flights on NZ than any other airline.

Well that is another chunk of goodwill that will be thrown down the toilet when the new A320 product is rolled out.

It still makes me angry. Air NZ has shown with its long-haul changes that it can command premium yields by having a premium product.

I suspect that the current A320 product is fairly sound, and could easily have been tweaked as follows:

1) Turn rows 1-3 into 38 inch pitch rows which can be converted between 2 business seats abreast or 3 economy.
2) Get rid of Space Plus (to keep seating density up) but use unsold Business seats in rows 1-3 as Space Plus.
3) Keep meals / bags / entertainment for all, but with tickets set around $25 per sector higher lead-in than Pacific Blue and Jetstar.


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17967 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 18):
In an article on stuff.co.nz the possible airlines were CZ, Asia X and TT

From discussions I have had, it seems that Tiger can only come to NZ via Australia as a continuation of a flight from SIN, so the local Tiger unit cannot do Trans Tasman flights, unless it becomes an Australian corporate citizen. Or Tiger could set up an operation with an NZ base.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6451 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 17868 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 17):
EY could be possible to.

Do they have the rights for TT? It'd definitely be interesting to see them here. D7 - waiting for that announcement.

Quoting koruman (Reply 19):
Well that is another chunk of goodwill that will be thrown down the toilet when the new A320 product is rolled out.

It still makes me angry. Air NZ has shown with its long-haul changes that it can command premium yields by having a premium product.

Yes, I agree completely. But we'll definitely have to see how this new thing performs over the first couple of years to see if yield can be offset by the capacity increase. Of course, not in my preference either. Those three tweaks sound pretty good.



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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 17739 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 19):
Well that is another chunk of goodwill that will be thrown down the toilet when the new A320 product is rolled out.

It still makes me angry. Air NZ has shown with its long-haul changes that it can command premium yields by having a premium product.

To compensate at least the OOL flights now connect better to/from North America and effective November the timings are consolidated to: Tu Fr Su AKL-OOL 0700/0730, OOL-AKL 0830/1430 and Su AKL-OOL 0900/0930, OOL-AKL 1030/1630.

Rationalisation of NZ/DJ services ex AKL could see more weekday frequencies and an NZ 763 Sat or Sun?

PA 515


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17625 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 22):
Tu Fr Su AKL-OOL 0700/0730, OOL-AKL 0830/1430 and Su AKL-OOL 0900/0930, OOL-AKL 1030/1630.

That should read Tu Fr Sa AKL-OOL 0700/0730, OOL-AKL 0830/1430 and Su AKL-OOL 0900/0930, OOL-AKL 1030/1630.

PA515


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7334 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17558 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 22):
Rationalisation of NZ/DJ services ex AKL could see more weekday frequencies and an NZ 763 Sat or Sun?

Is it not more likely that NZ will pull out entirely from OOL and just codeshare on DJ with a 177 seat 737-800?? And pick which domestic routes they will fly out of say WLG/ZQN & DUD for NZ and DJ CHC/PMR & HLZ or similar. Or split up destinations DJ keep BNE/OOL/CNS NZ SYD/MEL/ADL.


25 ANstar : Like Virgin/Pacific Plues Premium Economy?
26 777ER : If NZ and DJ are going to split up their domestic flights then surly that must make alarm bells ring for the Commerce Comminsion here as who can guar
27 alangirvan : The two airlines have said the arrangement will only be for Trans Tasman, but there are still some questions. Virgin is supposed to be positioning its
28 Post contains links 777ER : Telecom XT contract phone customers can now use their mobiles to make, send phone calls and access the internet on all EK and some MH flights between
29 Post contains links 777ER : PPQs owners have said that a $3m runway upgrade is planned to take place this summer and AKL flights will hopefully start shortly afterwards. http://w
30 DavidByrne : This actually represents a delay on what was originally proposed - IIRC the plan was to have flights on PPQ-AKL from about October.
31 Post contains links DavidByrne : "New [Australian] politician flight arrangements to save $160 million, says Lindsay Tanner " http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...anner/story-fn3dxi
32 sunrisevalley : Interesting that this comes up at the same time as Borghetti's arrival at DJ.
33 alangirvan : It could be, though if the Virgin Group are doing all the Sales Repping in Canberra, they will probably be keen to put Canberra travellers onto their
34 aerorobnz : no wasn't talking about domestics - was talking about DUD/PMR/ZQN/ROT/WLG/CHC in regard to trans tasman sectors
35 DavidByrne : Maybe, but VA don't serve SFO or YVR, so it's down to that choice again - transfer at SYD and have to travel across the airport to transit, or transf
36 777ER : Maybe it could also result in a WLG-CBR service and take pax off QFs WLG services
37 PA515 : A more competitive total fare with an easy AKL connection could also swing the deal, and perhaps some tweaking of the 'Works Plus' product is still p
38 Zkpilot : Not just UA but also CO... and if their merger goes ahead then schedules will be modified allowing a greater range of timings for flights. It will be
39 777ER : Especially with the re-timing of NZ2
40 alangirvan : If AirNZ is going to operate some A320s on flights that are meant to feed North American flights, perhaps it would make sense to have a small fleet o
41 kiwiandrew : I have to admit that until you mentioned it I was completely unaware that the Listener still existed ! I did a quick search on it and found that the
42 Post contains links mariner : Circulation is not readership. The Australian Women's Weekly claims to be New Zealand's top selling monthly: http://www.acpmedia.co.nz/ACPMagazin...o
43 aerorobnz : What an indictment on New Zealand society... What a disgrace!! No wonder the country is going to the dogs...
44 aerohottie : Says the member from Rwanda!!!
45 cchan : For damn sure most Africans won't waste their money to buy something like Australian Women's Weekly. By the way, what has Australian Women's Weekly g
46 ZKSUJ : I was wondering the same thing
47 aerokiwi : I suggested this a while back but was shit down. I think the argument went that it would reduce fleet flexibility and cause complications in scheduli
48 aerorobnz : The fact of the matter is that ADL/CNS/OOL are the ones that will really suffer from this single class product. On flights that connect with US fligh
49 NZ107 : I think that the structure change to take out things like J meals etc will deter a few businesses who wish to send people on proper J across the Tasm
50 aerokiwi : Oh... my... god. Apologies to anyone who reads my reply 47. It was meant to read "shot down". obviously. The 'o' and 'i' keys are a little close for m
51 aerorobnz : You have been on a QF 738 right??? lol EK yes, your point is made - but the QF Jetconnect J Class may as well be an economy seat....
52 NZ107 : To be honest, it's close enough to what is currently offered on the A320s (new ones, AVOD etc here). But at least they get the full service which a B
53 777ER : I fully agree that there should be some A320s set up for J flying for the markets that can handle it. I can't see why ADL, CNS and OOL will struggle
54 aerorobnz : I should have used 'could' instead of 'will' suffer. I referred to these 3 because they are solely 320 destinations which means they will be 100% dep
55 koruman : For Qantas, but the least important for Air NZ which is why BNE and MEL have had 744/77E service for years while SYD has generally only had 763 and 3
56 ANstar : Id say it is equally important for NZ these days given VA have nons stop BNE-LAX & MEL-LAX flights which must have chomped into NZ's ex Aus yield
57 Post contains links 777ER : 'could' makes more sense. The RNZAF C130 upgrade will go ahead in BHE with or without Safe Air http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3682...ules-upgrade-to
58 NZ107 : Here was I thinking that all NZ wanted was frequency on this route hence they only put NZ118/9 on 3x weekly as a 772. It would still have to be a 4x
59 Post contains links NZ107 : Emirates fuesl trans-Tasman airfare battle A simplifying of the EK fare structure and lowering of the one way ticket to half a return fare is going to
60 Post contains links darenw : Check out this on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQibH...=TL&videos=mB2pkbTOCCE&feature=sub
61 mariner : That is a very, very clever response. Myself, I'm not sure it is worth the bother, but obviously they do and if they're going to do it, do it as witt
62 777ER : I thought that was a pretty fantastic response and totally explains why I saw a full page advert in todays dominion post in sign language
63 Post contains links 777ER : Heres a newpaper article on the NZ V's Listener debate Air New Zealand, Listener in war or words - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...w-Zealand-Li
64 Post contains links 777ER : NZ5038 (DUD-WLG) this afternoon declared an engine fire emergency while on approach into WLG causing the runway closure while the ATRs engines was ins
65 cchan : Just thinking about airlines flying 767s into NZL: NZ - looks like their 767s will be still around for a few more years QF - being replaced by 330/738
66 zkojh : FJ will be getting 8 x 787's from 2011 as a replacement for their single 763 and 2x 744's so expect this aircraft to turn up on New Zealand soil, to o
67 aerokiwi : Really? To me it seemed to just moan about the Listener actually discussing the issue rather than addressing the points they raise. The fact is that
68 cchan : Well, that seem to reduce the passenger 747 sightings at AKL to the NZ birds plus the occasional CX and QF. Have I missed out any other operators? Th
69 ZKEOJ : Hi Guys I am planning a MEL-SYD leg and saw that V Australia goes MEL-SYD-LAX. On the V Australia site you can't book the domestic leg, but on DJ's si
70 NZ6 : Really, so thier NANLAX and NANHKG will be operated by 738?
71 alangirvan : Does anyone have an update on FJ and the 787s? 2011 looks like the original delivery schedule, and lots of things have changed since the initial orde
72 Post contains links 777ER : NZ and DJs codeshare appears to be getting the tick from many people in the tourism industry, including the Wellington regional chamber of commerce, Q
73 vhqpa : That flight is a DJ 737. V Australia currently don't operate any domestic tag on sectors they do however place the VA code on the majority of DJ flig
74 ZK-NBT : ? Just because he mentioned NZ AKL and CHC it doesn't mean the 787s won't fly elsewhere, because obviously they will! I thought they had ordered 789s
75 777ER : I would recommend trying the B717. I flew on one in 2006 with Airtran from DTW-ATL-IAD and I really enjoyed the aircraft and found its space to be ex
76 NZ6 : Sorry missed read the original post.
77 aerokiwi : It's amazing to think that passenger 747s could be gone from NZ skies in 3 years! Maybe KE will bring them back, or the occasional JAL charter (actua
78 NZ107 : The gradual decline from our skies over the last 10 years has been quite depressing.. First it was MH, TG, KE then SQ and soon QF too. Maybe FJ's 744
79 ZK-NBT : Yep, too true sadly! I'd see KE going the other way the way that market has gone down in the last few years. Maybe to a 332. January Febuary 2003 saw
80 aerorobnz : Possibly a couple of jumbo upgauges, but not A380s...partly due to the fact that there are only 2 gates capable in AKL, and as EK is the only one lik
81 NZ747 : Regarding Air Pacific, They have been having discussions about their fleet replacement for the last several months. FJ will very likely be getting a l
82 DavidByrne : . . . and in more historical times, BA, UA, CO, AR, (CA?), (GA?), possibly others as well, It's interesting to remember what a quantum leap the B747
83 koruman : I'm surprised at Air New Zealand's violent response to The Listener pointing out their short-haul race to the bottom of the market. And I'm even more
84 mariner : I was surprised that they responded at first - no matter how artfully - but it then it occurred to me that it isn't directed at "The Listener" at all
85 DavidByrne : I think this is way over-dramatising it. You saw "violent" - I saw nimble (yes, that word again), innovative, clever, funny. I guess it all just depe
86 alangirvan : Never say never indeed. The 747s have been reducing for various reasons - for some of the Asian carriers, a smaller plane non stop rather than a 747
87 Post contains links DavidByrne : Further details of DJ and NZ's intentions are emerging, this time through newspaper articles on the other side of the Tasman over the weekend. http://
88 ZK-NBT : True. How about SQ though? Just a thought I was on the SIA Cargo site the other day and noticed that from July for AKL and August for CHC it was show
89 NZ107 : Were UA 772s flying alongside the 744s to AKL? Because I remember the final flights being with the 772. I think it's all on hold for now and once the
90 aerorobnz : AIAL have consistently said they will not pay for more 380 capable gates unless the airlines who want them contribute to the costs of building Pier B
91 ZK-NBT : They were 772s. The change happened in June 2002 with the final flight in March 2003. There was a 744 and a 772 at AKL together not to long before th
92 aerorobnz : Gate 10 is already an emergency A380 gate if I remember correctly. ie: only to be used if 15/16 were occupied and the A380 needed to dock. The only c
93 brucek : I flew from LAX to AKL in December of 2002 with UA, scheduled on a B772 but got rebooked on an additional B744 flight. Stayed in Auckland for several
94 NZ107 : To the first question: it was put off indefinitely but with the situation looking a bit brighter, hopefully we can start seeing continuation by the e
95 QF175 : Pacific Blue will be increasing Brisbane - Dunedin and Brisbane - Hamilton to 4x weekly each effective OCT10. The increase in Brisbane - Hamilton serv
96 alangirvan : This announcement is about changes that will happen before Commerce Commission and ACCC have worked their way through the joint submission. If this c
97 ZKEOJ : Many thanks, Vhqpa. Yup, a very nice aircraft. I just flew it on HA HNL-OGG for the first time in February. I love the entire MD 80/90 series... Cheer
98 777ER : If only the B717 took off in terms of popularity with airlines and also made it to New Zealand routes. Would make a perfect aircraft for AKL, WLG, CH
99 alangirvan : "But that doesn't factor in the "game-changer" that Godfrey believes will be introduced to the market when Australia and New Zealand finally agree on
100 aerokiwi : From a purely aesthetic perspective, that's a small consolation. No matter which angle you look at it, the A380 is a tough beast to find, well, prett
101 kiwiandrew : Have you tried looking at it from the inside ? I found that angle pretty appealing .. especially in the stand up bar at the back , upstairs on EK .
102 aerokiwi : Yip. Amazingly quiet. Otherwise, meh. Of course that was cattle class. But I think it was fairly obvious that I was talking about the external appear
103 ZK-NBT : Yes it does, true, I wonder why they decided to change ZRH back to a single daily then? And an A380 at that. ZRH as I said above isn't slot constrain
104 NZ107 : Yeah, same deal here: If you're in F or J, it's a different story especially in EK where the product is much better than the rest of the fleet. Y is
105 gemuser : Because the 7 weekly A380 flights replaced the 10 per week B777 flights. Thereby reducing costs, while increasing capacity and eliminating the three
106 mariner : Pretty? No. I find the aircraft very handsome, though. And, on Emirates, a great ride. mariner
107 ZK-NBT : I'd kind of have to say it is relevent to this post. ZRH was up to 14 weekly then back to 12 with 77Ws. I do agree with that part, yes it does seem t
108 zkojh : Disruptions due to volcanic activity in Iceland. Updated Monday 17 May – 1000 (UK time) Due to further volcanic activity in Iceland, we will unfortu
109 gemuser : And then back to 10 B777, but AFAIK none of these reductions had anything to do with a lack of slots at ZRH. Gemuser
110 aerokiwi : I totally noticed that - ha! I thought I was imagining things (slight case of hungover-itis). Read recently that Boeing research found that window si
111 cchan : I haven't got the chance to see it from the inside, but from the outside, it is a damn ugly thing. Was getting off an AT7 at AKL last year when I saw
112 mariner : Each to their own. Many people thought the Boeing Stratocruiser was a "damn ugly thing" - that bulbous nose - and that the Lockheed Constellation was
113 Unclekoru : About the same time period in which we've seen the rise of EK and additional UK capacity from NZ. Just a guess mind. There may well be more to it, TG
114 alangirvan : If anyone wants to know why loads to Thailand are down, they could try watching the news on TV. Once again, New Zealanders are being advised not to tr
115 DavidByrne : I suspect that part of the answer also has to do with geography. DXB is well placed to provide medium-range services into multiple European cities, i
116 zkojh : 'Frightening' emergency landing at Hawke's Bay Airport LATEST: The Civil Aviation Authority will investigate a crash landing by a light aircraft at Ha
117 ZKSUJ : And another GA incident as well today at PMR. Media reporting its a cherokee but in actual fact it was a Piper Mojave.
118 777ER : Owned by Air Wanganui. The aircraft is also used as an Air Ambulance, but isn't knowen if it was operating as an Ambulance
119 Zkpilot : Whilst I do think that airlines who fly the A380 to AKL should pay towards those airbridges, the A pier is a joke. Most decent airports around the wo
120 ZKSUJ : I think It was
121 aerorobnz : I know....I use them all daily...:-P AKL international is a joke plain and simple... There is no way of winning with an airport who couldn't plan for
122 NZ107 : And yet it's rated in the top 10 airports in the world.. I'm sure it has something to do with stages - there are complexities about how much capital
123 ZK-NBT : When it was 10 weekly remember all flights were via SYD Daily and BNE 3x weekly, all 747s at one point to! But they picked up a fair bit of traffic t
124 aerorobnz : God only knows why.... It's as much of a mix'n'match jumble as LHR. As a passenger I can think of many airports from all the world I'd rather travel
125 cchan : Quite a number of passengers on these carriers are going from AKL to Asia as well. Apart from the frequency, the problem I have with KE, MH and TG is
126 kiwiandrew : When did they cancel the free interterminal bus ?
127 Post contains images sunrisevalley : So you get about what you pay for . Most times that's the way it is. Airlines are no different !
128 cchan : Walking is faster, unless the bus happens to be there when you get out of the terminal. Not quite. Depends on which Asian country you want to go to,
129 kiwiandrew : In general I agree with you , but I was referring to aerorobnz's comment about needing to walk between the terminals in the rain ... if the interterm
130 Unclekoru : I think a large part of Aucklands relative popularity relates to the speed and ease of the arrival process. My last six arrivals at Auckland as a pas
131 aerorobnz : With the poor frequency of the inter-terminal bus and high passenger utilisation of the few buses that do operate if you are on a standard dom-int or
132 Post contains links 777ER : TT talks about some of their plans for flights to NZL, South Pacific and Asia with their A320 fleet - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/3714...s-crash-a
133 cchan : Honestly, I think trans-tasman and Pacific routes have enough competitors now and the airfares are reasonable. IMHO new airline entries will bring mo
134 zkojh : Cutlery reused on Air NZ Wednesday May 19 Air New Zealand is clarifying reports it reuses plastic cutlery up to ten times before it is thrown away. Fo
135 mariner : This is an issue? mariner
136 Post contains images aerorobnz : The cutlery would be cleaner and more sterile than most cutlery in a household home. I still don't see what's wrong with metal though....
137 aerokiwi : Haha! Slooooooooow news day. While no fan of Tiger, I disagree. I think they can serve, or even generate, a fairly large niche market that the establ
138 Post contains images Zkpilot : quite true... it goes through a whole steam sterilisation process. Dodgy soapy dishwater at home or stacked home dishwashers do not do anywhere near
139 Post contains links darenw : Another award for Air NZ http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press...-nz-wins-another-top-airline-award Congratulations
140 alangirvan : Trans Tasman is not as over crowded as it looks. With a soon to be combined NZ?DJ operation, and carefully controlled competition between JQ and Qant
141 gemuser : Would this be in line with the Oz/SIN & NZ/SIN bi-laterals? Have to be as the Oz government can't designate a foreign airline to use Oz traffic r
142 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ-Virgin Blue to 'harmonise' services Some interesting parts of the article are: Both airlines will harmonise their services for at least 5 years
143 NZ107 : That's an interesting link. It'd be good for D7 to tap into the AKL-Europe market and if EK can expand further, I'd like to see a 2nd daily flight to
144 ZKSUJ : I see NZ are ranked number 5 according to the Skytrax awards. Only non-5 star airline to be in the top 5...
145 alangirvan : reading the article, this is really Roeland van der Bergh's assumption rather a description of the plan. So, how would it work? Most Trans Tasman fli
146 motorhussy : Saw the item on TVNZ's One News and would have been pretty pissed off if I were an NZ staffer. They kept producing a set of the cheapest flimsy black
147 alangirvan : Tiger's chief executive Tony Davis said he was looking at routes within the five-hour flying range of the airline's fleet of Airbus A320s. Mr Davis s
148 777ER : But to TVNZs they did show the plastic used in economy and also did show FAs on a widebody serving the economy pax a meal
149 zkojh : well getting some more info on china southern; China Southern is nearly ready to start a Guangzhou-Brisbane-Auckland service commencing from November
150 ash185 : Does anybody see any return on US carriers to AKL and perhaps any other international carriers aside from AIR ASIAX, tiger and china southern?
151 NZ107 : Delta could look to fly here. That's as far as it'd go for me as there aren't any other airlines not in any alliance who already fly here - AA codesh
152 Kaiarahi : I'm flying AKL-BNE this afternoon. Am I right that NZ does not have electronic / web check-in, or elctronic boarding passes, or am I not looking in th
153 aerorobnz : Correct. It will be in place soon though I believe.
154 NZ6 : Watch all Tasman/Pacific Ops to move to domestic treminals - this could see the end of the wide body on the tasman. How successfully will this be? Yo
155 alangirvan : No reason for that - Qantas Trans Tasman flights could operate with flights from SYD departing from gates to AKL, BNE, PER side by side. The aircraft
156 777ER : I'm wondering when a flight to IAH will begin to connect with the new UA Thats from the QF gates, not the DJ gates
157 Post contains links 777ER : NZ has been named the 5th best airline in the world, ahead of Ethiad, QF and EK. First place was taken by Asiana followed by SQ. http://www.stuff.co.n
158 alangirvan : Well Air New Zealand and Virgin have to pay attention to what is going on at the terminal next door. Qantas has to decide whether passengers are loca
159 NZ107 : Wait and see. There are a lot of people who live in NZ from South China (not Hong Kong) and a link to the southern parts of China for cheap will undo
160 NZ6 : I was only refering to NZ and DJ operations. Yes we will. Sounds very low yeilding. Could be a real blood bath for either China Southern or Air Asia.
161 ash185 : What happened to MH going via australia, is that still on the cards? Or will they wait for traffic to pick up - if that happens, they have downgraded
162 NZ107 : I don't understand this post.. First of all, MH haven't flown the 744 here for quite a while - it has been 772s for a few years now. They have reduce
163 Post contains images ash185 : Lol just chillax mate you sound a bit pissed at me
164 NZ107 : Not at all.. It just sounded a bit confusing.. But anyway MH could easily ramp up their 772 services to daily before they look to do anything else.
165 ash185 : True that. Are there more seats on their A330s than their 772, im not aware of there seating config
166 Post contains images ZKSUJ : The MH 777s have less capacity than then 333 but more than the 332. P.S. MH 330s have no PTVs, isnt that a deciding factor as far as A.net guys are c
167 777ER : Can airpoints members earn either status points or airpoints on TGs tasman services to Australia?
168 Post contains links 777ER : Virgin needs Air NZ to win business - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...irgin-needs-Air-NZ-to-win-business DJ says the main reason for its applic
169 NZ107 : Interesting point.. We'd have to wait for them to start up flights first but that'd be one good incentive to fill those seats up!
170 aerorobnz : I think MH is more likely to stop completely to AKL than increase flights to be honest. TG as well has definitely lost impetus in the NZ market howev
171 aerokiwi : Really? The A332s I travelled on to Dubai certainly did.
172 xiaotung : Probably not. Before TG pulled trans Tasman flights a few years ago, Airpoints were excluded from earning on TG most fares. Otherwise I would fly TG,
173 NZ6 : I would love to see TG pull out and NZ take over the AKLBKK market. Not that there is much of one.
174 kiwiandrew : I think that was based on fare class rather than on the specific sector , eg , if W class was ineligible for points it would be ineligible on any TG
175 xiaotung : No, that was based on sectors. A few years ago, you could earn Airpoints in most economy booking classes on TG's AKL-BKK (via SYD or BNE) flights but
176 ZKSUJ : Sorry, was meaning the 333... At least the ones I travelled in
177 NZ6 : I THINK and this is going on a bad memory that there was an exception. Something like W class is eligable except on AKLSYD and VV sectors.
178 alangirvan : I am sure AirNZ people would love to see Qantas pull out of NZ, and even better if Emirates would go home as well. The market between NZ and Thailand
179 NZ6 : I was thinking more along the lines of some tye of agreement where by NZ operated AKLBKK in return for codehare agreement from BKK to europe/india an
180 Post contains images HLZCPH : NZ to do CHCAKLBKKCPH? While I'd be keen, as we go to CPH quite often and lots of Scandinavains / Germans visit here, the numbers would not stack up.
181 NZ6 : That was just an example, TG operating from BKK
182 Post contains links 777ER : Air New Zealand is increasing its international capacity by 4.9 percent and domestic capacity by 3.8 percent from November 2010 as it starts to see a
183 NZ107 : ie the introduction of the 77W? I assume SFO goes to 744? And also what's the deal with NZ's 744 phasing out? NZ1 care to shed some light on this? Wi
184 777ER : A320s arrive next year. I think the domestic increase was announced several months back and will take affect from next year with the introduction of
185 NZ107 : Doesn't mean they can't fly some routes though.
186 777ER : Will NZ have spare A320s that can do a domestic sector in between other flights?
187 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Ooops , sounds like I got it wrong again - thanks for the info
188 Unclekoru : YVR goes 744 three times per week from mid Dec. I see WLG-ZQN gets the 733 on Mon, Fri and Sun this winter. AKL-ZQN gets four daily flights during the
189 Post contains images gasman : I'm surprised too. Whenever I fly AKL-LAX, usually 2-3 times a year for the last 10 years, the 744 is full to capacity. I would've thought the 747-8
190 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Thats classic
191 ZK-NBT : Are loads not good? I thought I read a while back they planned to go daily again this year to AKL plus CHC was rumoured, take that for whatever thoug
192 ZKSUJ : How are the all whites going to South Africa? No by an NZ chartered plane I presume
193 NZ107 : They're off to Europe now so I don't see an NZ plane going all the way over there to take them to South Africa. It doesn't seem like we'd have that m
194 alangirvan : They stopped in MEL, and they are travelling onto Europe, so they could do that on Emirates. From Europe to South Africa via Dubai would be a bit of
195 Post contains links aerorobnz : Thai Airways are the All Whites named sponsor.... http://www.nzsoccer.com/page/sponsors__partners.html They probably didn't have a TG schedule the da
196 xiaotung : The All Whites were heading for Austria for more friendly matches after the match against Australia in Melbourne on Monday. I think there is daily TG
197 Post contains links NZ107 : Air NZ's new planes allow mobile phones The 77W will be mobile/broadband capable but no use of voice calls.. On XT, it'll cost 80c to send a message,
198 alangirvan : Report in ATW News that ATR are starting to think more seriously about a bigger Turboprop. They are looking at a plane with capacity for 80 to 100 pas
199 777ER : NZ is using an A320 on domestic ops today due to a B733 going tech. Was on NZ418 to AKL this morning and got ZK-OKD. While in AKL, gate agents were bu
200 alangirvan : The cost for mobile broadband is $40.00 per megabyte of data. (Quote from AirNZ release, for Telecom users). Seems like an expensive way to update yo
201 NZ1 : That would be OJD....OKD is a 772. The U/S 733 was SJC with an autopilot defect prior to departing AKL. NZ1
202 Post contains links ANstar : Continental announce IAD-AKL from NOVEMBER 2011 with a 787 http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...apps/vendors/default.aspx?i=PRNEWS
203 homer71 : Actually it is IAH-AKL... Waiting to make reservations for this one!
204 ANstar : LoL... too similar for my fingers!
205 NZ107 : Well, it was inevitable wasn't it. NZ gets in too late pondering over these routes and someone else takes initiative. I wonder if this will tempt DL
206 zkojh : Great news for AKL Airport, tho to have the new ''United'' back in town will be great, shame about the long downtime in AKL, at least NZ will ge the g
207 sunrisevalley : In my view they were never good with N.Z. O/D traffic. I believe they always needed the Australian feed. In my view the code share opportunities of I
208 zkojh : intresting reading of the auckland airport website, Auckland Airport announced today it is investing several million dollars over the next 2-3 years t
209 NZ107 : As much as I like seeing new airlines in AKL, I don't particularly like the sound of China Airlines! Eva would be a better guess for returning AKL-TP
210 ash185 : Really exciting to see a new carrier into AKL!! Would be cool if its a whole new wave of airlines/frequency/capacity increase after cut backs over the
211 767er : There was a combination of reasons but it wasn't due to low demand. I think they may have pulled out when they were going through one of their turbul
212 ash185 : I though they flew A330 or 767, guess not lol
213 alangirvan : When CO first started here, they were quite a well regarded airline, back in 79, I think it was. They flew here with older DC-10-10s, which needed two
214 motorhussy : Thought they flew to AKL at one point via NAN as well, LAX-HNL-NAN-AKL. Also, remember a couple of the flights starting at the then DEN hub (and on t
215 aerokiwi : Wow what fantastic news! Houston manages some seemingly oddball routes, like Doha... now AKL! Oooooo and I love the Continetnal colours too. Will be a
216 Unclekoru : You are correct. Like all airlines operating to Fiji at the time, they suspended services to Nadi after the attempted hijacking of an Air NZ 747, but
217 Post contains images NZ107 : Don't forget they're probably bound to change
218 767er : MH I also did the same flight in Feb 1980. I think I paid $360 one way. Yes, the service was great but wasn't PPG modest to say the least? I thnk all
219 777ER : No, update FB via txt, which will only cost 80c Would have preferred NZ to launch either a IAH, IAD, ORD or JFK route, but could settle with CO. Good
220 Post contains links ZKSUJ : Just Started Thread #77 guys. NZ Aviation Thread #77
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