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AV Possibly Joining Star Alliance  
User currently offlinedanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16521 times:

It seems that it settle and Av will join star alliance , this came out today in colombia .

http://www.larepublica.com.co/archiv...r-parte-de-star-alliance_99319.php

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11641 posts, RR: 61
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16355 times:

I personally think SkyTeam would have been a much better fit for them, on a variety of levels.

Avianca would have been the alliance's only South American partner, and TACA would be an excellent addition to Central America - especially considering that SkyTeam is the weakest of the three alliances in both regions. Beyond that, Ocean Air could have grown organically into SkyTeam's Brazilian partner.

My questions:

Where does this leave Copa? Now, with TACA in Star, is it possible that - for the first time in decades - Copa could split from Continental, and now United, and Star?

And what about Brazil? Could Ocean Air beginning cooperating with TAM?


User currently offlinedanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16224 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
And what about Brazil? Could Ocean Air beginning cooperating with TAM?

actually there is no more Ocean Air , it is now called AV !!!


User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16193 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
Where does this leave Copa? Now, with TACA in Star, is it possible that - for the first time in decades - Copa could split from Continental, and now United, and Star?

I know it may sound crazy and that it won't happen, but I think that LAN's best move would be buying Copa. Like this, they would have, apart from LAN Chile, Argentina, Perú and Ecuador, LAN Colombia (former Aerorepublica) and LAN Panamá (although it would be smartest to maintain the Copa Brand). With this, they would only need to open their desired LAN Brazil and they will have a large presence in all the region, competing better with the future big AV/TA. Besides, that would mean that OneWorld would gain local market in Central America and Northern South America, where right now they are weak, helping AA and IB longhaul flights. I know it sounds unrealistic, but as a OW supporter, I would love if it happened.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16166 times:

Quoting danimarroquin (Reply 2):
actually there is no more Ocean Air , it is now called AV !!!

Yes, Avianca Brasil has completed a week of "existence", replacing OceanAir.


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1895 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16168 times:

Pretty bad news for SkyTeam... and even Oneworld!

How's Star Alliance going to do to manage so many airlines! Quite massive, to be honest.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16116 times:

Quoting 797 (Reply 5):
How's Star Alliance going to do to manage so many airlines! Quite massive, to be honest.

It really does not make sense at all... O6 and JJ are direct competitors and I don't see how that would work in Brazil. It's quite frankly a recipe for disaster.


User currently offlinedanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16068 times:

Also , kind of weird news are circulating around the web in colombia , saying that SQ and EK are looking forward to fly to BOG . specially SQ to get some connections to south America , or probably a cargo flight . EK flight would make a stop at CCS before coming to BOG , and then would do the same on the way back . EK TO COLOMBIA ????

User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1895 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16065 times:

I think this is not true... doesn't make any sense.

I would have put down some money betting to see them in SkyTeam.



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User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 15930 times:

It absolutely does make sense. CO and UA have already made clear that they intend to start a joint venture for Latin America with other Star member carriers, and Avianca can play a BIG role in that going forward, as can TACA (and Copa should it elect to join Star Alliance).


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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6220 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 15813 times:

I am a huge AV fan and I love to see Latin American airlines suceed, but Star seems to be adding airlines to just add airlines. AV's main purpose is O/D to Colombia, BOG might process some connecting passengers but it's not it's real bread and butter. CO has a small presence in Colombia, UA is nonexistent, LH is supposedly returning an AC flies there but what else. AV flies to cities in the US and Europe with large expat Colombian communities and the larger South and Central American cities, I kind of fail to see what the alliance gets form AV and what AV gets from Star, maybe I'm missing something. On the other hand LAN and Oneworld makes perfect sense based on the huge presence LAN has in South America and the hiuge presence AA and IB have in the America's but AV (even including AeroGal, Aero VIp and AV (Brasil) and Star (not sure). Colombians please understand this is not intended at badmouthing AV, I just feel AV can work alone perfectly fine.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15403 times:

Quoting danimarroquin (Reply 8):
Also , kind of weird news are circulating around the web in colombia , saying that SQ and EK are looking forward to fly to BOG . specially SQ to get some connections to south America , or probably a cargo flight . EK flight would make a stop at CCS before coming to BOG , and then would do the same on the way back . EK TO COLOMBIA ????

There's a huge tendency in Colombia the misunderstand "bilateral agreements" as "the Airline of the country the bilateral has been negotiated with will fly to Colombia".

The only thing was that, the governments negotiated some bilaterals.
Singapore Cargo had been flying to BOG for a while last year, I don't know if they still do or what were the conditions for the flights they made (ad-hoc, schedule...)

Emirates I don't think we'll see them in Colombia for a long time either, if ever.

[Edited 2010-05-04 21:08:16]


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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14985 times:

Quoting danimarroquin (Reply 8):
Also , kind of weird news are circulating around the web in colombia , saying that SQ and EK are looking forward to fly to BOG . specially SQ to get some connections to south America , or probably a cargo flight . EK flight would make a stop at CCS before coming to BOG , and then would do the same on the way back . EK TO COLOMBIA

I don't see why this would be weird. Before the financial crisis EK had slots for a cargo flight from Latin America (I can'r recall the destination) to AMS as they won a contract for transporting flowers.


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14903 times:
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Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
I personally think SkyTeam would have been a much better fit for them, on a variety of levels.

Why not to join Oneworld? Avianca has a great code-share agreement with Iberia in all routes...

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8568 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14890 times:
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Quoting danimarroquin (Thread starter):
It seems that it settle and Av will join star alliance , this came out today in colombia .

http://www.larepublica.com.co/archiv...9.php

I admit that I cannot read Spanish , but a babelfish translation ..... ...However, until the moment, the president of the Board of directors of Avianca, Germa'n Efromovich, have indicated that the decision is in study and that as much the alliance Sky Team as Star Alliance counts on high probabilities of becoming the group del that will be Avianca-Mark part.... ..... seems to leave it far from 100% certain that AV will join *A ( could anyone who reads Spanish confirm or refute this ? )

[Edited 2010-05-05 13:43:01 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14749 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 13):
I don't see why this would be weird. Before the financial crisis EK had slots for a cargo flight from Latin America (I can'r recall the destination) to AMS as they won a contract for transporting flowers.

Sure. A cargo flight would be possible, as there would be traffic rights (cargo only) between Europe and Colombia. Flowers is indeed the main air freight export out of Colombia, Passenger flights are a torally different matter. Even more so for SQ.
The thing is that in Colombia the authorities seem to "announce" this new airlines in order to get political brownie points. People very gullible and the press just print what is fed with no sense of reality. That is how government remains popular despite the most dreadful abuses.

[Edited 2010-05-05 13:43:30 by srbmod]

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13293 times:
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Quoting realsim (Reply 3):
I know it may sound crazy and that it won't happen, but I think that LAN's best move would be buying Copa. Like this, they would have, apart from LAN Chile, Argentina, Perú and Ecuador, LAN Colombia (former Aerorepublica) and LAN Panamá (although it would be smartest to maintain the Copa Brand). With this, they would only need to open their desired LAN Brazil and they will have a large presence in all the region, competing better with the future big AV/TA. Besides, that would mean that OneWorld would gain local market in Central America and Northern South America, where right now they are weak, helping AA and IB longhaul flights. I know it sounds unrealistic, but as a OW supporter, I would love if it happened.

With AV/Taca becoming a Star alliance airline, Copa would be best merging with LAN. Copa in Star no longer makes sense with Continental no longer being their sponsor. Interesting times in aviation.


User currently offlineACES320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13147 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 15):
If this is not yet a certain thing perhaps the mods could amend the thread title to " AV to join Star Alliance ? "

When it comes to Latin America you have to get used to all the dizzyness and lack of coherence in meaning, I say it as a Latin American myself. Does Chespirito talk ring a bell? Those of you who remember all the non-sense of the TV-series.

Things in Colombia always tend to get a good deal of fuzz and hype, even if it is The Republica, one of the top Business newspapers in the Country. So in any event, it seems the odds are against Sky Team and One World, OW always being my favurite alliance. As a matter of fact though, it would be pretty safe to assume the deal will go to *A this time over. With all the pros and cons yeah and I am quoting you all guys here:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):
It really does not make sense at all... O6 and JJ are direct competitors and I don't see how that would work in Brazil. It's quite frankly a recipe for disaster.
Quoting chepos (Reply 11):
but Star seems to be adding airlines to just add airlines. AV's main purpose is O/D to Colombia
Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 14):

Why not to join Oneworld? Avianca has a great code-share agreement with Iberia in all routes...

I agree that *A are adding partners just for the sake of being the largest alliance in the world, which they actually are, but of course behind these actions there is always a business strategy underneath, as an Alliance they have been quite succesful anyway. On top, AV is not merely O/D to Colombia, they already hub at BOG to other destinations in the region. Not being in an alliance was just the missing link to make BOG a fully operative international hub in the region.

Having two alliance partners in the same market should be no impediment. If O6 (now AV BRazil) are operating in the same country as JJ life can still go as usual. UA and CO operate in the same local market, to give you the most obvious example. Brazil is also a huge developing air market and the network purpose and segments catered for by AV Brazil and JJ are totally different and not overlapping. On top, I think AV Brazil is not a top priority in the terms of AV - TA 's meant-to-be agreement to join *A.

Yes AV would be the natural partner to IB. The code-shares they already have in place can proceed as usual, regardless of alliance, the point here is that One World is the least aggressive alliance in terms of expansion and new members. I have said it before in these forums, nothing wrong with being less assertive than the others appear to be. It is just their style. So far One World seems to be focused on other goals rather than sheer expansion a-la *A. The BA / AA / IB triangle seems to be the most fundamental thing for them right now. OW did almost lose JL to Sky Team at some point. When compared with DL efforts to lure them into Sky Team, the joint actions by BA / AA to keep them in OW seem quite dismissive. At the end of the day, things worked on the OW side and a much smaller, restructured JAL in their alliance.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 12):
Emirates I don't think we'll see them in Colombia for a long time either, if ever.

I think in the case of Singapore Airlines, they will be very happy to keep the cargo service only. I do not see the demand and frequency for the mainline passenger service for SQ from BOG at the moment or in the foreseeable future. As for EK, that is a totally different story. They do and will have enough capacity to deploy in every potential market. It is not that EK is the top service market leader. From the point of view of world airlines they are just another network carrier exploring whatever market opportunity is available in order to expand. In this sense they are much less selective than SQ in relation to the type of markets they decide to compete in. Qatar Airways also depict a very creative way of re-deploying capacity, as shown during the credit-crunch crisis. Once the A350 comes in to service along with the 787, they will have plenty of "spare" capacity to serve markets like BOG or any other South American markets for these matters. Remember that Buenos Aires EZE will be served by QR from Doha as a tag-on from GIG, starting in just a couple of months from now. Not that you want to use an ULH 77L to operate the "short-hop" GIG - EZE, but as I mention, these are the kind of actions you see with the Gulf carriers. This is just to show that an EK flight to BOG is a tangible possibility, I stress the word "posibility".

Cheers A320



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User currently offlineTYCOON From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 394 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12973 times:

This is not official. Reading the article in Spanish, the use of the conditional in the title translates as AVIANCA COULD JOIN STAR ALLIANCE.... it does not say a decision has definitely been made. Further in the article, Efromovich is quoted as saying AV could join SA or ST, but the decision has not yet been made. So, 50/50 or so it would seem. One thing looks certain judging from this article and E

User currently offlineHagic From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12781 times:

What's going to happen to the fierce competition between CM (at PTY) and AV (at BOG) for the South and Central American market, knowing that they will now both belong to the same partnership?


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User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12781 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 17):
Copa in Star no longer makes sense with Continental no longer being their sponsor.

This is simply not true. Copa will benefit from the opportunities afforded by a new United Airlines, such as greater feed to its flights via UA hubs in LAX and IAD, plus the opportunity to consider future expansion to markets such as ORD, DEN, and SFO, a significantly frequent-flyer base, and an arguably stronger application for Star Alliance membership (as United is a founding member). Moreover, United offers the carrot of a joint venture for Latin America in which Copa will absolutely be able to participate on account of Open Skies between the US and Panama and Copa's existing antitrust immunity with Continental.

To a larger degree than other alliances, Star Alliance can absolutely accomodate having multiple carriers from the same region -- including fierce regional/national competitors -- within its membership ranks. Members of Star Alliance at once have more freedom and more opportunity than counterparts in oneworld or SkyTeam, and cooperation between Star carriers - beyond established minima - is driven entirely by the commercial prerogatives of the individual members. So any notion that Copa, Avianca, and TACA could not all be Star Alliance members is nonsense.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12540 times:

Quoting avek00 (Reply 22):
To a larger degree than other alliances, Star Alliance can absolutely accomodate having multiple carriers from the same region

It is this precise point, whether Taca, Avianca and Copa and end up in the same alliance that puzzles me.

Taca and Copa best friends? Aerorepublica and Avianca?
I don't imagine this would be very good for competition.

Would Copa not do best trying to be in Skyteam? Trying to do with DL what they do with CO?
They could also cooperate further with KLM, that already serves PTY. Same with Air Europa that intends to serve it.


User currently offlinejfk787nyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12540 times:

Quoting avek00 (Reply 22):

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 17):
Copa in Star no longer makes sense with Continental no longer being their sponsor.

This is simply not true. Copa will benefit from the opportunities afforded by a new United Airlines, such as greater feed to its flights via UA hubs in LAX and IAD, plus the opportunity to consider future expansion to markets such as ORD, DEN, and SFO, a significantly frequent-flyer base, and an arguably stronger application for Star Alliance membership (as United is a founding member). Moreover, United offers the carrot of a joint venture for Latin America in which Copa will absolutely be able to participate on account of Open Skies between the US and Panama and Copa's existing antitrust immunity with Continental.

To a larger degree than other alliances, Star Alliance can absolutely accomodate having multiple carriers from the same region -- including fierce regional/national competitors -- within its membership ranks. Members of Star Alliance at once have more freedom and more opportunity than counterparts in oneworld or SkyTeam, and cooperation between Star carriers - beyond established minima - is driven entirely by the commercial prerogatives of the individual members. So any notion that Copa, Avianca, and TACA could not all be Star Alliance members is nonsense.

OK isn't the whole point of being in a ALLIANCE is too partner up in regions? If AV goes or went Skyteam they could of been the partner in the region transporting passengers from Europe, Delta even Asia.

Now, They will be a second tier partner who is going to feed them for flights to Brazil? They will not even be able to expand there because that is a partner territory AV going Star is a little weird honestly.


User currently offlineACES320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 12377 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 23):
Quoting avek00 (Reply 22):
To a larger degree than other alliances, Star Alliance can absolutely accomodate having multiple carriers from the same region

It is this precise point, whether Taca, Avianca and Copa and end up in the same alliance that puzzles me.

Taca and Copa best friends? Aerorepublica and Avianca?
I don't imagine this would be very good for competition.

I will give you some examples of things working this way within Star Alliance. Same country members CO, UA, US Airways; Air China, Shangai Airlines. Regional/Ethnic close members: Singapore Airlines, Thai. Competing for similar market segments: Lufthansa, Swiss, Austrian.

You would not expect such overlapping within One World for instance, but again as I stated above, both alliances have different corporate goald and different market stances. I would not consider it such big a hurdle for AV/TA - CM/CO to fall under the same umbrella.



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User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 12111 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 23):
It is this precise point, whether Taca, Avianca and Copa and end up in the same alliance that puzzles me.

Taca and Copa best friends? Aerorepublica and Avianca?
I don't imagine this would be very good for competition.
Quoting jfk787nyc (Reply 24):
OK isn't the whole point of being in a ALLIANCE is too partner up in regions? If AV goes or went Skyteam they could of been the partner in the region transporting passengers from Europe, Delta even Asia.

Star Alliance functions differently than SkyTeam and oneworld, with a unique philosophy to cooperation. Star Alliance serves as a platform to promote cooperation amongst its members, who then cooperate to the extent their commercial needs dictate (beyond rather minimal alliance criteria). Unlike SkyTeam, Star Alliance does not attempt to obligate its members to codeshare or enter into other forms of close cooperation with all other members. Indeed, Star Alliance generally prefers that initiatives are initially undertaken by just a few of its members cooperating on an ad hoc basis, with possible expansion in the future based upon successes and lessons learned. Similarly, Star Alliance does not follow the "anchor" carrier concept adopted by SkyTeam. Yes, some carriers will of course be stronger than others within a country or region, but having multiple carriers from the same area allows for more opportunities for cooperation than would exist under a 1 region, 1 carrier scenario.



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25 777jaah : Hi Juan, On that, I saw an interview to the minister of exports, were he clearly stated that SG and EK were ready to start Cargo service, and the main
26 Post contains images A388 : I can confirm that EK will not start cargo flights to Colombia anytime soon. They are selective and they don't fly to a destination if there is no bu
27 ACES320 : I assume you have sound knowledge of the issue. Grant you I would not see EK cargo flights ex-BOG. EK 's cargo fleet is not as wide as their passange
28 757MDE : Even if my previous answer didn't reflect it, I actually thought of a scenario like the one you describe, but despite that I couldn't figure how coul
29 ACES320 : Absolutely. I just have to correct myself on this one. The tag-on is not from GIG. It is GRU instead. Now, people in the forums have expressed their
30 hiflyer : If AV goes to *tar it will again prove that the biggest attraction *tar has is to get away from AA and DL dominated alliances. As it was correctly poi
31 Post contains links RICARIZA : A nice commercial from AV Brasil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcyhu6Z4-cw
32 Post contains images viaggiare : "De acuerdo con el consultor de aviación, Juan Arbeláez, en cerca de un mes Avianca-Taca anunciará su ingreso al grupo Star Alliance, al que perte
33 LJ : Shanghai Airlines will be dissolved and thus move out Star (as the company is bought by China Eastern). Furthermore, the problem is that the re hasn'
34 ACES320 : That is still just a possibility. A closer possibility in the case of AV so far. I guess the good news is the bigger role the country will play in th
35 bogota : If there was hardly any real competition in Colombia when AV and CM(P5) were dominating the domestic airline industry, that is until 4C entered the ma
36 Post contains links danimarroquin : Because LAN is in ONE W , and LAN is AV's archenemy LMAO !!! colombia is the number 2 cargo exporter of flowers in the world . Also ,heard that JADE
37 RICARIZA : Very cool.. thanks for sharing!
38 avek00 : UA, CO, and US?
39 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : From the top press release: "De acuerdo con el consultor de aviación, Juan Arbeláez, en cerca de un mes Avianca-Taca anunciará su ingreso al grupo
40 RCS763AV : Where a lot of markets are twice as big as the entire colombian market (Chicago, Bew York, Denver, Miami...) As has been AV with Delta. Shall wait an
41 yellowtail : Way CM CEO commented on the CO merger..sounds like they were headed for Star....
42 2travel2know2 : Now that UA/CO meger has become a reality, both AV/TA and CM are rushing press releases and other news about those airlines joining Star Alliance.
43 Post contains links 777jaah : Now its official that the bilateral between Colombia and Germany has been renegotiated, so lets wait before LH announces BOG. About the bilateral: -Up
44 Post contains links danimarroquin : this is bad news for AV TAM just joined the star alliance , one more reson to join skyteam !!! TAM Is Welcomed Into Star Alliance (by C010T3 May 13 20
45 Ota1 : This is neither bad news nor a surprise for AV/TA since it was announced in October 2008. IMHO JJ and AV have rather complementing networks and Brazil
46 OP3000 : OceanAir is pretty much irrelevant in Brazil - and its not like joining Skyteam will win them any huge advantages since DL and AF are already on boar
47 777jaah : O6 is far from being a key player in Brazil, so for now, both can coexist in the same alliance without any major problems or overlapping really. In f
48 Post contains links ACES320 : Well from now on, all our problems have been solved. We have been trying to sort it out on this forum for the last week but AV TA and CM CEO's have pu
49 SJOtoLIR : TACA and TAM sustained a code-share agreement between them for selected operations entirely within South America up to 2007. However, TAM abandoned s
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