enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6137 posts, RR: 13 Posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10224 times:
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.
How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
Please take it easy on any typos, there was a lot to type...
smoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1224 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10069 times:
I did not even know they served that. I thought they had LAX-CUN, which ends next month (if I remember correctly).
Competition from MX and DL was too much for AS in LAXCUN, I suppose...
Pre-emptive move against G4 entry?
AS seems to be annoyed by G4 activity in BLI.
BLI is about 100 miles away from SEA, but AS decides to take no chances and to protect their home-base and their shuttle route (PDXSEA)...
FutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 761 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10044 times:
Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 1):
Looks like NK will be leaving the market
surfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10020 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO
EFF OCTOBER
CLE-ATL 5>4
CLE-BOS 5>4
CLE-GSP 2>1
CLE-JAX 0>1
CLE-MHT 4>3
CLE-MIA 0>1 OCT
CLE-NAS 1/WK>0
CLE-PHX 2>3 DEC-
CLE-RSW 2>1 NOV
CLE-SAN 0>1 DEC-
CLE-TPA 2>1 OCT-NOV
CLE-TYS 2>1
Uh oh... This is not looking good for CLE at all. The merger hasn't even been approved and CO is already cutting away. Now, CLE's loss could be CAK, CMH, DTW, and even CVG's gain...
I'm afraid this is typical for DL out of LAX. They just aren't filling to tolerate initial losses in order to gain a meaningful presence in the market. They just go after the routes nobody else wants to fly (IND, RDU, BDL, CMH) instead of adding cities Angelenos actually need/want to go to, like BOS, ORD, etc.
Is Continental teasing us?! I figured since they had not done this since fall of 2008 that this route was not ever going to come back with the merger. December seems like an odd start date.
atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10008 times:
mke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2315 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9947 times:
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4726 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9876 times:
Quoting C767P (Reply 5): Is Continental teasing us?! I figured since they had not done this since fall of 2008 that this route was not ever going to come back with the merger. December seems like an odd start date.
It could be just a 2-week Christmas schedule addition; CO has often done that.
One that doesn't show is the return of CLE-MSY, currently scheduled for Sep 30 after being disc. in late August.
Is Continental teasing us?! I figured since they had not done this since fall of 2008 that this route was not ever going to come back with the merger. December seems like an odd start date.
This isn't new either. CO flew CLE-SAN this past winter, Dec17-Jan4. I bet it's only operating for a few weeks again.
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 6): This is quite a surprise, I'll assume more CRJ's?
Yep, more CRJs. Looks like they retimed all four of the flights too.
Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 7): I guess it looks like at least one of their CRJ routes seems to be doing alright.
STL, OMA, and IND do pretty well. PIT does OK. CAK and DSM are the two worst though CAK is improving.
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6137 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9639 times:
Quoting beryllium (Reply 2): I did not even know they served that. I thought they had LAX-CUN, which ends next month (if I remember correctly).
Competition from MX and DL was too much for AS in LAXCUN, I suppose...
Yes, they are out of CUN which is odd for a company with so much focus on Mexico. I'm starting to wonder if they getting a corporate edict to back down on Mexico after the continuous media problems Mexico has suffered from. Oddly, though, nothing has hit Mexico beaches that hard this year media-wise. I guess the border violence could be hurting, though.
I wondered that, but only if it goes through 1-stop to somewhere else. I don't think PDX to BLI is an Allegiant type of market.
Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 3):
NK is will still be there (this was a "misfile")
Huh...I wonder if there is more to that story. The Bahamas is notorious for paying for air service. Perhaps NK is playing a game with them to get more money.
Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 4):
Uh oh... This is not looking good for CLE at all
I had the same thought, but I think that is a typical CLE Fall schedule change. I do think CLE is toast. In a few months you will probably start to see cuts. I don't think CVG will gain. CVG is already toast...burned toast.
Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 4): I'm afraid this is typical for DL out of LAX.
It is typical, but how do they expect to ever accomplish anything? They should have known the route would be awful. I said so when they announced it. It's low yield and the CRJ is too expensive. Even full it would probably lose 30%.
Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 4): What type of aircraft will be flying this route?
It shows CR7 for the Winter ops.
Quoting C767P (Reply 5): I figured since they had not done this since fall of 2008 that this route was not ever going to come back with the merger. December seems like an odd start date
Agree with the odd start. I can't see January yet so I don't know if it is temporary.
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 6): This is quite a surprise, I'll assume more CRJ's?
Yes more Skywest. They pulled a couple of MKE freqs over the last month. This just replaced one of those. My guess is that STL is the best of the worst. LOL
CGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 303 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9576 times:
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Quoting beryllium (Reply 2): Pre-emptive move against G4 entry?
AS seems to be annoyed by G4 activity in BLI.
BLI is about 100 miles away from SEA, but AS decides to take no chances and to protect their home-base and their shuttle route (PDXSEA)...
Based on chatter from another thread, QX wanted to increase BLI-SEA to 6x daily but couldn't find an aircraft that would be in SEA at a time that would allow adequate spacing between existing departures. However, apparently they have a CRJ-700 sitting in PDX long enough to do a PDX-BLI-PDX run at a time that would be feasible so they decided to add a PDX-BLI trip for the ~2 months of operation.
Hopefull that they could make it work...
~CGKings317
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greenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 442 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9495 times:
Quote:
CO
EFF OCTOBER
CLE-ATL 5>4
CLE-BOS 5>4
CLE-GSP 2>1
CLE-JAX 0>1
CLE-MHT 4>3
CLE-MIA 0>1 OCT
CLE-NAS 1/WK>0
CLE-PHX 2>3 DEC-
CLE-RSW 2>1 NOV
CLE-SAN 0>1 DEC-
CLE-TPA 2>1 OCT-NOV
CLE-TYS 2>1
Nice to see MIA back for CLE--but is this just for Oct? I wouldn't read too much into this with regard to the merger impact on CLE. This looks like typical seasonal shifts. Some frequency reductions in small/cold markets, and increases in warm places like JAX (is this a new route, by the way?), PHX, and MIA. Though NAS was unfortunately dropped but just recently upgraded equipment-wise...
LAXintl From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 22064 posts, RR: 51 Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9494 times:
Yup was 5, then 4 now, planned 3 for the fall, and by winter ??
Quoting enilria (Reply 11): Yes, they are out of CUN which is odd for a company with so much focus on Mexico. I'm starting to wonder if they getting a corporate edict to back down on Mexico after the continuous media problems Mexico has suffered from. Oddly, though, nothing has hit Mexico beaches that hard this year media-wise. I guess the border violence could be hurting, though.
Since 2008 AS has a had a steady reduction in Mexico flying which has funded planes to expand into other market, most notably Hawaii. Mexico ASM for the company have gone from historic 16% in 2007 to just under 8% today.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8590 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9000 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16): Yup was 5, then 4 now, planned 3 for the fall, and by winter ??
no it was 4.
They had a CR9 doing one leg(i can't remember if it was LAX-SFO or SFO-LAX) but never loaded a carrier for it and never loaded the other half of the leg. Oh and the PR said 4x daily but listed the 5th flight on the one leg.
And its going to change again. Right now its loaded at LAX-SFO 1x 73H 1x 320 1x CR9. SFO-LAX is 2x 320 1x CR9. Well looking at SFO I don't see where the *extra* 737 is going to be going. So its could just that they put the wrong A/C in there or they plan on changing it around again.
Oh and just a note, they are only cutting 76 seats guys, and they are cuting it in the low season. Not what i would call shocking.
(I guess UA,AA,WN,VX dont cut back a little in the summer?)
"Oh look at the sUGAr falling out of the sky! Look at the sUGAr falling out of the sky!" LM 1922-2011 Go Dawgs! G.A.T.A.
Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 4): I'm afraid this is typical for DL out of LAX. They just aren't filling to tolerate initial losses in order to gain a meaningful presence in the market. They just go after the routes nobody else wants to fly (IND, RDU, BDL, CMH) instead of adding cities Angelenos actually need/want to go to, like BOS, ORD, etc.
Quoting enilria (Reply 11): It is typical, but how do they expect to ever accomplish anything? They should have known the route would be awful. I said so when they announced it. It's low yield and the CRJ is too expensive. Even full it would probably lose 30%.
Airport From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 1397 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8826 times:
Quoting CGKings317 (Reply 14): Based on chatter from another thread, QX wanted to increase BLI-SEA to 6x daily but couldn't find an aircraft that would be in SEA at a time that would allow adequate spacing between existing departures. However, apparently they have a CRJ-700 sitting in PDX long enough to do a PDX-BLI-PDX run at a time that would be feasible so they decided to add a PDX-BLI trip for the ~2 months of operation.
Hopefull that they could make it work...
~CGKings317
Bingo! They wanted to add another flight but didn't have the aircraft, so the aircraft will be routed PDX-BLI-PDX and will then continue on down to BUR.
dlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 354 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8616 times:
Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 18): Oh and just a note, they are only cutting 76 seats guys, and they are cuting it in the low season. Not what i would call shocking.
deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8590 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8483 times:
Quoting peanuts (Reply 19): Cup half full, cup half empty...what kind of glasses you wearing today?
it is funny
DL starts the route 2x 73H 2x CR9 daily June 11 Then on Sept. 9 its goes to 1x 73H 1x 320 1x CR9
thats net of 86 seats a day cut.
UA on June 11 will be running 5x 752, 5x 320, 6x 319. On Sept 9 1x 752 1x 320 14x 319. Thats a net cut on 320 seats per day........almost as many seats as Delta has in the market. Anyone saying anything about that? Nope.
Yea it is kind of funny
They are over looking the LAX-MCO is going 2x 757, LAX-SAN is getting a extra CR9 plus LAX-MSY is daily (and it, most of the time, drops down to 4x weekly in sept./oct. range) but LAX-SFO is getting cut back 86 seats, a route that hasn't started yet, and its getting cut back in the off season.
"Oh look at the sUGAr falling out of the sky! Look at the sUGAr falling out of the sky!" LM 1922-2011 Go Dawgs! G.A.T.A.
deltaguy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 633 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8313 times:
Any idea if BDL-PBI will be back for the winter months (Dec-Mar)?
Cheers from BDL,
DeltaGuy767
A Good Landing is one you walk away from!
25 hatbutton: SEA-CUN was seasonal during the winter. I think the cut was partly because it wasn't that profitable and partly because now that LAX-CUN was being cu
26 brilondon: Is DL's flight to GRU going to be permanently gone or is this just seasonal? I go to Sao Paulo a couple of times a year as I have a friend living ther
27 deltal1011man: gone for good. 2x of the 3x went to DTW-GRU and one the 3x went back to JFK-GRU to make it daily.
28 MAH4546: LAX-SFO doesn't have a "low season," so no idea what you're talking about. The route was loaded at 5x daily, has not even launched and is already onl
29 WA707atMSP: One point I'd like to add is that in short haul markets, the # of flights is far more critical than the # of seats. PSA was able to dominate LAX-SFO
30 deltal1011man: Ha ok so UA is cutting 320 seats after the summer is over because? Guessing its because demand picks up then right. And Demand is the same(and I mean
31 WA707atMSP: Yes, but UA is maintaining their 16x day frequency pattern in the market. DL's cutback is more significant than UA's, because DL is reducing frequenc
32 deltal1011man: Well I guess DL should just start 20x daily LAX-SFO with 757s. I'm down. DL has been slowly adding flights (look at SAN, started at 4 or 5x daily, th
33 olli: LAX-OAX nonstop? I don't think so! It's a connecting city from MEX. Best Regards.
34 deltal1011man: Did you see ATL-OAK 1x daily in there? starts July 5 daily 757. (you may have already listed it but i'm pretty sure its a new add.)
35 MAH4546: No, it was loaded as 5x daily. It was loaded before it was announced. UA has a hub on both ends, and there is a drop-off in Asia travel demand. Oh, l
36 PlanesNTrains: 5 to 4 to 3 vs 16 to 16? On the surface, there isn't much to say about United's changes. If Delta's sole role of the SFO-LAX fliights is connections,
37 N766UA: Doom and gloom much? This is actually pretty typical of the fall schedule. If you'll notice, IAH and EWR lost frequencies too. These flights will be
38 bobnwa: So by your logic, business markets such as BOS-LGA,LGA-DCA, LGA-ORD,IAH-DFW etc have a summer and winter season if the is one passenger difference? N
39 deltal1011man: Business market, I would say no. Over all market? yup.
40 deltal1011man: Wow shocker. He said its about the number of flights. might as well go hard if your going to do it. That is the point. Now it may grow into more (jus
41 SANFan: This route has been flown for the past several years - about 15 days a year! (Talk about "seasonal" service!) It ain't worth the pixels, my friend! (
42 SESGDL: There's not a "traditional" domestic market, whether business or leisure that doesn't experience a drop in demand from the summer to the autumn month
43 joeman: Definitely typical adjustments at this point. So the punchline is just not yet, huh?...
44 EddieDude: MX is very consistent and steady. They rarely make mistaken decisions of new destinations. MEX-BWI comes to mind. Maybe you are thinking of AM?
45 falcon flyer: I don't recall UA ever flying JAC-LAX n/s in the last several years. Unless I'm missing something it certainly hasn't operated in winter for at least
46 HVNandrew: SAN-LAX seems like it's delivering like Dominoes for DL. It's gotten both upgrades in frequency and AC in the last couple of months, and with the new
48 FL787: I checked and it definitely operated on Saturdays this last December on the A319. I'm not sure how long that lasted.
49 LAXintl: Yes they did Saturday service per United Nov09 schedule: UA241 LAX-JAC 1155-1527 A319 UA303 JAC-LAX 1605-1730 A319 Also this summer it will be daily
50 FutureUScapt: I guess it lo My apologizes, it looks as if you are right. Two weeks ago it showed as being dropped and then was reinstated the following week, only
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