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New Long Haul Routes From Berlin  
User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16278 times:

Air Berlin has announced to offer three new long haul routes from Berlin:

Dubai, Mombassa and Miami.

A second A330-200 will be based in TXL.

Source in German:
http://www.rbb-online.de/nachrichten...erlin__mehr_langstreckenziele.html


It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
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User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16190 times:

AB press release:
http://www.airberlin.com/site/pressnews_dr.php?ID=2128&LANG=eng

TXL-DXB will be thrice a week (quite a blow for EK, isn't it, who were not granted approval on this route by the German government).

Mombasa will be once a week, aiming at package tourists.

MIA will be twice a week.

edit: MIA is already served from DUS, and Mombasa from MUC. DXB is a completely new destination in the AB network, the fourth after OSL, GDN and ARN to be served only from Berlin.

The press release says booking would be already possible, but I didn't succed in doing so. Anyone know the exact flight schedule?

Great news for Berlin!

[Edited 2010-05-06 05:13:10]

[Edited 2010-05-06 05:14:00]


PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlineLHFADUS From Germany, joined Apr 2007, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16112 times:

Oooooh la laaaa....!

Great for AB and the German capital! I wonder how these routes will do, with all these discussions about low yields etc. And I also wonder if LH is gonna show any reaction...if AB is proven successful of course.


User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16101 times:

Quoting LHFADUS (Reply 2):
And I also wonder if LH is gonna show any reaction

Or someone else... My dream is to get flights to ORD and ATL from Berlin in the nearer future.

edit:

TXL-DXB begins Nov 3, departs TXL 19:45, arr DXB 03:45 and is operated Wed, Fri, Sun
DXB-TXL from 4 Nov, 05:20-09:00 on Thu, Sat, Mon

[Edited 2010-05-06 05:21:54]

edit: okay, for the other dates see next post...


[Edited 2010-05-06 05:22:20]


PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlinesevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1403 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16055 times:

Schedule:

TXL-DXB: AB7318 19:45-03:35 357 332 starting november 3
DXB-TXL: AB7319 05:20-09:00 146 332

TXL-MIA: AB7210 11:00-15:45 14 332 starting november 1
MIA-TXL: AB7211 17:30-09:00 14 332

TXL-MBA: AB7260 20:00-06:40 4 332 starting november 4
MBA-TXL: AB7261 08:25-15:15 5

Miami becomes 5 weekly for AB as on Monday, Wednesday and Friday there is a flight from DUS.

TXL-Mombasa seems to be replacing the MUC-MBA flight.



Всяк глядит, да не всяк видит.
User currently offlinetim171080 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15957 times:

The MIA run will look like this:

MON/THU from 01NOV

AB7210 TXL 11:00 MIA 16:45
AB7211 MIA 18:30 TXL 09:00 (+1)


existing flight from DUS is WED/FRI/SUN, so both combined is 13457


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15454 times:

Are the DXB flights seasonal or year-round?


Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15256 times:

Finally, Miami-Berlin on Air Berlin. Awesome news. MIA officials have been pushing this for years. So now Berlin comes Miami's seventh new/resumed trans-Atlantic destination this year! Joining Helsinki, Milan, Moscow-Domodedovo, Munich, Paris-Orly, and Tenerife-North.


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User currently offlinejfk787nyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15170 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Finally, Miami-Berlin on Air Berlin. Awesome news. MIA officials have been pushing this for years. So now Berlin comes Miami's seventh new/resumed trans-Atlantic destination this year! Joining Helsinki, Milan, Moscow-Domodedovo, Munich, Paris-Orly, and Tenerife-North.



I really wish Aeroflot would come back to Miami instead of Transaero


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15006 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Finally, Miami-Berlin on Air Berlin. Awesome news. MIA officials have been pushing this for years. So now Berlin comes Miami's seventh new/resumed trans-Atlantic destination this year! Joining Helsinki, Milan, Moscow-Domodedovo, Munich, Paris-Orly, and Tenerife-North.

Missed opportunity for AA?



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14797 times:

I sure wish that either UA or LH could find the right size aircrfaft to make IAD-TXL work. There is a market there. It would make my life, and job, and that of many others, much, much easier.

User currently offlineAirNovaBAe146 From Canada, joined Jun 2008, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14596 times:

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 10):
I sure wish that either UA or LH could find the right size aircrfaft to make IAD-TXL work. There is a market there. It would make my life, and job, and that of many others, much, much easier.

I second that opinion. Hopefully this CAL merger will provide the new UA more flexibility to mix and match the right equipment for international routes.


User currently offlinetim171080 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14357 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 6):
Are the DXB flights seasonal or year-round?

I wonder what EK thinks about this, will this influence their possible plan to introduce TXL and/or MIA?

This thread Rumor: Emirates And Miami (by MAH4546 Dec 20 2009 in Civil Aviation) discusses the possibility of a DXB-MIA flight with a stop in Berlin or Stuttgart.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14319 times:

what? no TXL-ATH ? who's gonna ship the cash over?  

User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14171 times:

Quoting tim171080 (Reply 12):
what? no TXL-ATH ?

Actually quite off-topic, but A3 does operate on that route, as well as EZY out of SXF. Though I wondered too why AB do not offer flights on this route, especially since OA withdrew the service.



PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlinetim171080 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13938 times:

Air Eyjafjallajökull is flying KEF-ATH with a stop in TXL
Lets send ash not cash!


User currently offlinecloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13805 times:

Given Berlin's importance as Germany's capital, I figure LH would at least make it a focus city. Some long-haul flights to the United States and Middle East/Asia.


Boston, USA
User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12481 times:

LT definitely used to serve MBA before AB took over (I saw one their birds sitting there only a few years ago), but possibly to DUS. Is the TXL route brand new or just a resumption of an old LT service?

User currently offlineB6A322 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10930 times:

Personally, I feel like the overall service quality has gone down since AB bought LT (or however they really integrated). It also seems like after AB picked them up, they kind of just sat there like "alright, we have them, now what." A couple of reasons come to mind:
- LT was going to introduce a great new F class product (elimination of C class product).
- LT flew more routes (obviously AB's little (read: big) fuel crisis had to do with this, and the above point, but still)
- LT crews were friendlier. By a lot.
- AB hasn't really invested in LT short of giving the a/c a paint job. Has anyone flown them recently? They just cut out the opening of the safety video, and blurred out the LTU titles within the video. (Really AB, could you put in any less effort?)
- An AB reservations agent hung up on me - intentionally, because he felt requesting to upgrade using my topbonus miles was completely unwarranted for some reason.

It also kind of seems like this is a half-a**'ed approach to entering this market. Or any market for that matter. Granted, they don't have a huge number of A330s to spare, but still, last I checked a schedule like the one for Miami doesn't exactly encourage people to book flights. (If they cancel the flight, then I have to sit around for half a week? Yeah right.)

I'm still hoping LH will re-enter the DUS-JFK market with year-round service. That would really be nice. If its all the same to them, I'm going for the million. 



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10860 times:

Quoting B6A322 (Reply 18):
(If they cancel the flight, then I have to sit around for half a week? Yeah right.)

Air Berlin flies to Miami 3x a week right now, increasing to 5x next month, and staying that way through the winter with Berlin (2x TXL/3x DUS). And then it will be a daily service in the summer of 2011 (5x DUS/2x TXL).

Summer of 2008 when AB was still doing MIA-MUC, it was daily as well (2x MIA-MUC/5x MIA-DUS).

[Edited 2010-05-06 18:33:48]


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User currently offlineB6A322 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10811 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):
Berlin (2x TXL/3x DUS). And then it will be a daily service in the summer of 2011 (5x DUS/2x TXL).

Still doesn't solve the problem that arises if their DUS flight is full.


Summer of 2008 when AB was still doing MIA-MUC, it was daily as well (2x MIA-MUC/5x MIA-DUS).

That is what was. Still reminiscent of LT at that point.



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User currently offlineFlyWhisperjets From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10541 times:

Quoting LHFADUS (Reply 2):
Oooooh la laaaa....!

Great for AB and the German capital! I wonder how these routes will do, with all these discussions about low yields etc. And I also wonder if LH is gonna show any reaction...if AB is proven successful of course.

It is great!!!The Miami route should do well.....I have flown LH regularly MIA-FRA since the 80's when it was serviced with a DC-10 and remember the flight getting upgraded to a 747 due to demand.....They finally started using 747's daily.....Every time I have flown the route, it's been a sold out flight....



1st. time Eastern Lockheed L-188, 1st. jet Delta Convair 880
User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10513 times:

Quoting B6A322 (Reply 20):
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):
Berlin (2x TXL/3x DUS). And then it will be a daily service in the summer of 2011 (5x DUS/2x TXL).

Still doesn't solve the problem that arises if their DUS flight is full.


Summer of 2008 when AB was still doing MIA-MUC, it was daily as well (2x MIA-MUC/5x MIA-DUS).

That is what was. Still reminiscent of LT at that point.

LTU was one weekly flight most of the 2000's, sometimes two. It went as low as one weekly routed DUS-MIA-RSW-DUS.

Quoting FlyWhisperjets (Reply 21):
It is great!!!The Miami route should do well.....I have flown LH regularly MIA-FRA since the 80's when it was serviced with a DC-10 and remember the flight getting upgraded to a 747 due to demand.....They finally started using 747's daily.....Every time I have flown the route, it's been a sold out flight....

Lots of capacity on Miami-Germany this winter. It was only a few years ago that it was just Lufthansa's daily 744 to Frankfurt and one weekly LTU A330 to Dusseldorf.

MIA-DUS: LH 7w 333, AB 3w 332
MIA-FRA: LH 7w 744
MIA-MUC: LH 3w 343, 2w 333
MIA-TXL: AB 2w 332

[Edited 2010-05-06 19:34:58]


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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10444 times:

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 3):
Quoting LHFADUS (Reply 2):
And I also wonder if LH is gonna show any reaction

Or someone else... My dream is to get flights to ORD and ATL from Berlin in the nearer future.
Quoting IADLHR (Reply 10):
I sure wish that either UA or LH could find the right size aircrfaft to make IAD-TXL work. There is a market there.

Can someone please explain why Berlin has so few transatlantic flights? I understand that Cold War policies prevented Berlin from ever developing into a viable hub, but given Berlin's massive population, tourist draw, and important geopolitical role, shouldn't it at least see as much capacity as VCE or BCN? I mean, after LH dropped its transatlantic flights, there was NO link from Berlin to the U.S. until DL and CO added flights to JFK and EWR respectively about 5 years ago.



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineB6A322 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10273 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 22):

LTU was one weekly flight most of the 2000's, sometimes two. It went as low as one weekly routed DUS-MIA-RSW-DUS.

IIRC weren't the early 2000's still the "charter" operations? Besides, who flies to RSW anyway  



The content I post is solely my own opinion. It is not an official statement by/of/for nor representative of any company
25 Tobias2702 : TXL was not designed to handle connecting passengers. There is no transit zone, which means that in case one would like to change flights, a complete
26 just7four7 : What AB does is add a few tourist buses to TXL's mix, nothing more. Emirates can care less if AB starts TXL-DXB or not. They go in no matter what. Ber
27 laca773 : AB still offers DUS-LAX during the summer months 2X a week.
28 Tobias2702 : According to a special insert in today's issue of Berlin-based newspaper "Der Tagesspiegel" on the new airport (due to the topping out of the terminal
29 TommyBP251b : Hi Everybody, I was in Berlin for 2 days and came back yesterday. I flew U2 out of SXF. During my time at the airport some thoughts came up regarding
30 Tobias2702 : To my knowledge, the old SXF terminal will be demolished. A dedicated terminal for governmental flights is also currently constructed at the BER site
31 Post contains images sydaircargo : [ that goes by truck like the other 100 Billion EUR over the last 29 years
32 GrinddalCPH : This is REALLY awesome, I love AB, I even think they offer a better Y product than LH. Didn't they give out free playboy magazines at one time?
33 IADLHR : Best Reg I think at some point in time it is probably close to 100%. The question is, when is that point in time. I hope it is not too, too, too, far
34 CoachClass : If you read SKYTRAX, AB doesn't seem to offer comfortable long haul service and has mediocre in-flight entertainment/service, but offers cheaper last
35 Post contains images GrinddalCPH : Hey to each its own opinion I fly LH often on intra-european flights, and like them, But for the price, their Long Hual IMO is awful, I enjoyed AB mo
36 lightsaber : Very interesting. Question, have any 'hubbing' plans been made for the new BER airport once it opens? I would think that AB's Berlin operations would
37 Post contains links Tobias2702 : AB will definetely have a hub at BER. Actually, they already call TXL a "hub". From an AB press release dating from March under the title "Strengtheni
38 Post contains links Tobias2702 : Emirates is heavily lobbying with the German government to gett approval for Berlin and Stuttgart routes (additional to FRA, MUC, DUS and HAM). They
39 B6A322 : Yes, they did give out free playboy magazines at one point. I believe they still do on some select flights (not sure which though). As for the LH 744
40 timberwolf24 : During the early 90's American did operate an ORD-TXL. As I recall, the reason why they dropped the flight was due to TXL runway length (just under 1
41 mah4546 : Oh please, don't be ridiculous. The market still won't be there. Berlin is lucky to have New York, Newark and, soon Miami. I think we will see Dulles
42 Post contains images surfandsnow : Let's hope they aren't trying to dole them out en route to DXB!
43 B6A322 : I was talking about LT, not MIA. Well you never know with these guys, on LT when they celebrated their 50th and gave out free champagne to everyone,
44 mah4546 : So was I. MIA hasn't been a charter operation for LT since the early 1990's.
45 Post contains images lightsaber : 1.7 percent. *Almost* in that 30% to 70% transfer passengers that normally define a hub. Interesting that AB plans to hub at BER (and... logical). Th
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