surfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 13836 times:
Quoting dbo861 (Thread starter): I haven't heard much since they first announced service back in February. How are bookings looking?
Well, F9's new BKG flights are supposedly doing better than expected, and FL's MCO flights are still around, so the demand to this quirky redneck paradise must be there! I saw a commercial for Branson on late night television just the other night...
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
dbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 13670 times:
I don't believe any of the flights Branson Air Express is going to operate have non-stop competition. It looks as if they'll be operating an Allegiant Air type operation..non-daily flights and selling vacation packages instead of just flights. Hopefully they can be successful with this business model.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22167 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 13660 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 3): HUF-BKG had lousy bookings and was cancelled before it began.
But I would think BNA-BKG might do okay.
It's a weird list of destinations. DSM is small like HUF but probably has more people who go to Branson than any of the other destinations. SHV is there, IIRC, because XE does maintenance in SHV. The rest are decently large cities (BNA, HOU, AUS).
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
I was in such shock from gasping at the HUF route being dropped that I'm currently unable to sarcastically gasp at this as well.
But seriously.. MSP on a 737? DFW could be a good market for them but again.. Too much plane. I'm hoping the regional jet stuff works out. Branson seems like a very interesting market with strong ties to some less than obvious places (DSM.. or so I've heard)
93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12951 times:
I believe they cant lose with how subsidized they are and if flown with a 135 or 145 ( sorry i don't know which one) I see a demand for it. Question is what will the aircraft look like? Will they be white, or in coex colors with coverings over the titles etc
ThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 692 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12650 times:
Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 12): I believe they cant lose with how subsidized they are and if flown with a 135 or 145 ( sorry i don't know which one) I see a demand for it. Question is what will the aircraft look like? Will they be white, or in coex colors with coverings over the titles etc
ExpressJet only has ERJ-145's now.. the 135's are out getting tanned in the Western sun....
I can't see the aircraft being old COEX birds with slapped over titles... ExpressJet is one of the few carriers out there that really keeps up the appearance of their aircraft to the respective brands... they don't have generic birds like Chautauqua does that have blank paint... if the bird isn't flying CoEx or United which have their respective paint... then most likely it will be in the corporate colors (Same colors as from their branded days with new engine cowl colors that don't say xjet.com)
KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3753 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12483 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 10): I don't have numbers for Sun Country, but someone posted Airtan's short-lived MKE-BKG at 58% load factor. Not good on a 717, but it is 60 or so pax per flight wanting to go there from MKE.
So does that route become viable on a smaller aircraft?
That's a good question. In the case of MKE I'd almost say no.. That's 60 people per flight on AirTran's introductory sale fares... If the fares were raised to RJ profitability levels, the demand almost certainly wouldn't stay at 60.
rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7230 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12310 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5): SHV is there, IIRC, because XE does maintenance in SHV
I was raised in a small town north of SHV just across the Arkansas state line.
I have been amazed how popular Branson is with people from that region for the past 20 years. My high school classmates even proposed holding the 40th Reunion in Branson.
And it is still one heck of a scenic, but long drive with little to no interstate time. The drive is basically the same as when I went to Fayetteville in 1970 for college. Other than the bypass over Washington Mountain north of Fort Smith and around Fayetteville - it is still the same highway, with 40 years worth of increased traffic and patchy road repairs.
My family and friends who vacation in Branson every year, sometimes twice or even three trips per year - love the idea of being able to fly rather than drive. The high school reunion committee even promoted the ability to fly from SHV to Branson.
TZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11647 times:
The key here is that Branson Air Express is NOT an airline, but a DOT Part 380 Public Charter company. They are actually FlyBranson Travel, LLC dba Branson Air Express with air service provided by Express Jet. It only lasts from May 17 to Aug. 14.
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24423 posts, RR: 86
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9219 times:
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 15): In the case of MKE I'd almost say no.. That's 60 people per flight on AirTran's introductory sale fares... If the fares were raised to RJ profitability levels, the demand almost certainly wouldn't stay at 60.
Well, maybe. I seem to be more positive about BKG service than most people.
YXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 928 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8390 times:
Some time ago on a Saturday I was listening to a travel show on WTMJ radio in MKE, and the travel agent from Fox World travel (not the regular lady) said that there is a big demand for help getting to Branson Mo. from the MKE area but the airlines are very reluctant to restart air service from MKE after FL service ended so quickly. And in her words "but that is what Air Tran is famous for "... the Station host asked what she meant by that and her reply was "well not to speak ill of Air Tran I'm not going to say anymore I've already said to much." the radio host was somewhat taken back, and after a brief silence the host went to an ad. Any Idea what they talked about during the time the ads ran?
I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
knope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2785 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8316 times:
There were key problems with AirTran's MKE-BKG service in my opinion.
--Branson is a reasonable drive from Milwaukee for family vacations. At about 600 miles it's a full (but not exceptional) day of driving. With a mid-day flight both directions, flying to Branson "uses up" a day of vacation each direction, too. And for families, each additional person in the car is another ticket to buy.
--A large portion of the Branson market from a place like Wisconsin is the over-55 tour bus crowd. Nothing wrong with that, but that segment is not likely to seriously consider a flying vacation for Branson. If they do fly, it's to Vegas, Florida or maybe Arizona.
Although there was a significant TV commercial buy pushing Branson last spring, I'm not sure that they hooked up with the tour companies to try to sell flight packages. If anything, those commercials may have increased tourism to Branson from the area, but probably most of it via the highways.