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Why The IFE Regulations In US Airspace  
User currently offlineB6A322 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 291 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5663 times:

After the Christmas Day incident, why did the TSA decide that In Flight Entertainment had to be switched off when entering or within U.S. Airspace? I can understand a mandate requiring Livemap services to be switched off, but all IFE in general? I understand that it was kind of a knee jerk reaction...but if anyone could offer insight it would be much appreciated.

As an example, I was on two LH flights last month on which, an hour before entering US airspace, they switched off the entire IFE system. I just don't get it. Can't people tell where they are by looking out the windows? sheesh, if anything movies should distract the people from looking out the window.


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5606 times:

The problem with some IFE systems is that they cannot disable certain features since they were not designed that way. The moving map may only be disabled by disabling the entire system.


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User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1459 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5596 times:

The LH switching "off" of the IFE must be a LH policy. Not doing it at my carrier, we did initially after the Christmas attempt but the TSA changed the policy within a few days. I think the reason the whole IFE was turned off was the TSA wanted the maps off, but there is not a "Map" switch. It is all tied into the same system. To turn off the map, required turning off the entire IFE.

As to why the TSA wanted the maps off? Your guess is as good as anyone's. The TSA like most government agency operations are reactive. They produce very little forward thinking and operate as a knee jerk authority. To say I see very little good come from the TSA in my interaction on a daily basis is an understatement. They have some of the most bizarre policy implementations that seem to detract from security vs enhance, with how they choose to operate. It is a jobs agency and I hold them in slightly less contempt than the ICE members. Sorry for the soapbox but the agencies that I work with at the airport remind why many passengers find angst when dealing with either group.


User currently offlineB6A322 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5548 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 2):
The LH switching "off" of the IFE must be a LH policy.

A recent one, too. IIRC the TSA policy change left it up to the carrier ... so I guess the other part would be...what advantage would an airline see to keeping it off? Or did the policy change just affect US carriers?



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User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 2):
As to why the TSA wanted the maps off? Your guess is as good as anyone's.

The rationale (I hesitate to use the word "logic" in this context) was that putative terrorists like the "underwear bomber" want to set off a bomb at a specific point in a flight, to be visible to Americans on the ground and/or to maximize the possibility of debris landing on people or buildings, in order to get the most psychological impact out of the event...that's why it's called "terrorism", after all.

In theory, they have a point. As a practical matter, though, turning off the maps makes no difference, as critics started pointing out within, oh, five minutes of the TSA policy implementation - it's really not that hard, using a watch and a map, to figure out approximately where you are, especially if the terrorist has done a dry-run or two. And planes have these accessories called "windows" that let the terrorist see, using the good ol' Mark One Eyeball, where they are relative to cities, etc.

Thus the rule was quietly modified, although on my last JetBlue flight I noticed the maps seemed significantly less detailed than in the past.


User currently offlineB6A322 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4825 times:

Quoting exFATboy (Reply 4):

And I assume there's no such thing as a time delay feature, sort of like what there is on passur?



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User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1608 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4714 times:
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And, whats to stop someone from having a handheld GPS, like my Garmin eTrex Legend? Or, using the GPS on an iPhone?

Supposedly the 9/11/2001 hijackers brought GPS units with them and used them to navigate to their targets. Hence, Al-Qaeda is familiar with using them...


User currently offlineflypba From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

turning off a video map will not do anything to deter terrorism. What's next? blanking out the passenger windows?

User currently offlineDAL763ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4312 times:
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Quoting AeroWeanie (Reply 6):
And, whats to stop someone from having a handheld GPS, like my Garmin eTrex Legend? Or, using the GPS on an iPhone?

Correct. I've used a PDA with GPS on flights and boy is it awesome! Much more accurate, obviously.

With regards to the iPhone GPS, how did you manage to use it in-flight with the Airplane mode on? I haven't managed to use it on any of my 15 flights within the last 18 months. I've an iPhone 3G.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4118 times:

Quoting flypba (Reply 7):
turning off a video map will not do anything to deter terrorism. What's next? blanking out the passenger windows?

It's funny you said that because I was thinking the same thing!! A new requirement for all N registered commercial a/c is to have all windows have the ability to make the windows opaque at the touch a an F/A control. 



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

As far as I know AC will allow the IFE be on from gate to gate. First time ever in Canada but don't know if this is the first time AC being the only legacy carrier all over the world? This is something new AC decided to offer to passengers. Here's the link if it helps you. http://enroute.aircanada.com/en/arti...ew-entertainment-from-gate-to-gate

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12102 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3694 times:
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Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 10):

NZ started gate to gate entertainment last year firstly on Trans-Tasman flights, but now its on every international aircraft


User currently offlinesovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2603 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3339 times:
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I never knew about this. Can someone fill me in? You can't use IFE until you are out of US airspace? What caused this?

User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3104 times:

I flew YYZ-LAX on AC in January and the map was working fine gate to gate. As well as it worked on FJ from pushback from LAX to NAN.

Quoting sovietjet (Reply 12):
I never knew about this. Can someone fill me in? You can't use IFE until you are out of US airspace? What caused this?

It started with the Christmas day bomber for fears that the map feature could be used by a terrorist in some way and if a certain IFE system can't just disable the map then the whole thing has to be shut off. I thought that this was dropped after the incident but I guess not.

Quoting DAL763ER (Reply 8):
With regards to the iPhone GPS, how did you manage to use it in-flight with the Airplane mode on? I haven't managed to use it on any of my 15 flights within the last 18 months. I've an iPhone 3G.

My guess is that people would turn airplane mode off. The FA's don't check to see if you actually listen when they tell you to turn all electronic communications devices.

Quoting flypba (Reply 7):
turning off a video map will not do anything to deter terrorism. What's next? blanking out the passenger windows?

Don't give the TSA ideas.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

When I flew MEX-FRA on LH, they left the IFE on while in US Airspace (it was just overflying Florida and maybe some of the Carolinas if I remember the airshow correctly), but they did turn it off at least one time, though that was while we were already out of US Airspace. So they don't have to be in US Airspace to turn it off.

User currently offlineka From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 660 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 9):
is to have all windows have the ability to make the windows opaque at the touch a an F/A control.

Exactly how the windows on the B787 are designed...

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