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Fire At JFK Yesterday  
User currently offlineKDEN From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10609 times:

Yesterday, as I was taxiing out at JFK, I saw a fairly large fire with thick black smoke in the northeast corner of the airport, which I have to assume was jet fuel. Can anybody tell me what was going on?



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User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10583 times:

Just a guess, but maybe fire training?

User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3266 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10546 times:

Quoting 413X3 (Reply 1):
Just a guess, but maybe fire training?

The fire training I have seen involves propane / natural gas. Neither would smoke like that.



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User currently offlinemmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10433 times:

Yep, that's a fire training sim...

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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9829 times:

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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9814 times:

Quoting mmedford (Reply 3):

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User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9814 times:

Quoting KDEN (Thread starter):
Fire At JFK Yesterday

PANYNJ Fire training!



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User currently offlineixemctdca From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9778 times:

Is this "fire training sim" for airport personnel or aircraft personnel? (edit: Just noticed the post above mine answered this question while I was reading/posting to this thread! The question below still stands tho)

Seems weird that if it was for the airport personnel they would go with an EgyptAir plane instead of a locally based aircraft (just thinking about mx, etc. in case something went wrong)

[Edited 2010-05-07 09:45:01]


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7345 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9716 times:

The training and fire were far from the Egyptian aircraft on the taxiway. Just the way lenses work makes them look close together.

User currently offlinespudsmac From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9668 times:

Quoting ixemctdca (Reply 7):
Seems weird that if it was for the airport personnel they would go with an EgyptAir plane instead of a locally based aircraft (just thinking about mx, etc. in case something went wrong)

The fire is BEHIND the aircraft in the photo. It's off in the distance.


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9407 times:

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 2):
Neither would smoke like that.

Yeah they do. They burn rich so they creat a lot of smoke on purpose, makes it more realistic.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/teex/sets/72157621885174325/show/


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21104 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8364 times:

Quoting ixemctdca (Reply 7):
Seems weird that if it was for the airport personnel they would go with an EgyptAir plane instead of a locally based aircraft (just thinking about mx, etc. in case something went wrong)

The photo is an illusion - they use a special fire trainer that's at the northeast corner of the airport, near 22R. They don't set fire to any actual aircraft, even locally based ones.

-Mir



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7345 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7953 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 10):
Yeah they do. They burn rich so they creat a lot of smoke on purpose, makes it more realistic.

An important part of fire training is the near zero visibility cause by the smoke of a fire. While the 'smoke' could be created by other means - it is much more expensive - and just as polluting as the real thing.


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3522 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

They must have been doing this today as well - on my commute into Manhattan today, I was pretty surprised as I drove down Sunrise Highway to see a big puff of black smoke start to rise from the area of JFK. Freaked me out a little bit as I couldn't see what was causing it, but I live right near JFK so I know how the airport's oriented and it appeared to be coming from the area at the end of 22L.

It only lasted a minute or so; it was one big puff and then it was done. By the time I actually passed the airport, it had totally dissipated. So it was probably the same thing.



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User currently offlineixemctdca From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6793 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
They don't set fire to any actual aircraft, even locally based ones

Looked to me like it was coming out the engines Nevermind then!  



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User currently offlineKDEN From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6391 times:

Thanks for the info. My apologies about the illusion with the EgyptAir aircraft, this was the best photo of the fire I could get.

Does this training happen very often?

I was also quite surprised to see this going on next to an active runway, but I guess with the one closed for construction, they don't have much choice. . . .


User currently offlineWJ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

They use that fire training area almost weekly. Looks alarming, but all is under control...


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User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5576 times:

Quoting WJ (Reply 16):
They use that fire training area almost weekly. Looks alarming, but all is under control...

I suppose ATC or the larger airspace advises A/C in the area that there is NO emergency while this is going on? Or is it scheduled in advance so that arriving/departing A/C are notified prior, the same way they have advance info on local weather, runway closures, etc.?

If so, has anyone ever heard an onboard announcement to the tune of: "Ladies and gentlemen, as we land today please don't be alarmed by the fire department training exercise that you may see on the left side of the A/C..."

Because it seems to me that most people (present company not included) would be alarmed by such a display.



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User currently offlineKDEN From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5362 times:

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 17):
Because it seems to me that most people (present company not included) would be alarmed by such a display.

You know, I'd think so too, and they definitely didn't make any sort of announcement. From what I could tell, only a few other people saw it, and nobody freaked out. Granted, if my flight landed right next to it, it might have been a different story!


User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5284 times:

I'm a retired(Duty Disabled) Firefighter/paramedic and Airport Fire Crews train all the time. They must do life Fire trainning at least 3 times a year, it just so happen that you saw it and were able to take a picture of it. The department that I worked for had a GA airport in it's service area and we trained for a/c fires twice a year even though in the 17 years I was with the Department we only had one a/c fire. At an Airport of JFK's size I am surprised you don't see it more often. I know that the MKE AFFD live burn trains 6 times a year.


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User currently offlinenrcnyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4424 times:

Flew KJFK-KLAX on Virgin America 409 today (May 7th) and the flight crew told us "not to worry about the flames outside the aircraft, it's just the airport FD training."

I will admit it spooked me a little bit initially to see flames spurting into the air like that at an airport.


User currently offlinewerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

Here is an overhead shot of the training area

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...312&spn=0.000924,0.001725&t=h&z=19


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