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IB To Launch MAD-COR And N/s Flights To PTY & GUA  
User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 646 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14562 times:

Hi all,

According to the following article, only in Spanish, Iberia will begin flying MAD-COR three times per week from Oct 01.

http://www.lavoz.com.ar/noticias/neg...tubre-iberia-volara-cordoba-madrid

The article says IB has confirmed it to the local governor, and the agreement will be signed in a few days, on May 18.

This will represent Iberia's 11th destination in South America, or its 18th in Latin America.

[Edited 2010-05-07 07:51:03]

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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14427 times:

Apart from that, IB has uploaded the schedule for the announced non-stop flight MAD-PTY-MAD, without the stop at GUA, from Oct 31:

MAD-PTY | IB6345 | 12:45 | 17:15 | 10:30 | 3567
PTY-MAD | IB6346 | 21:15 | 13:00 | 09:45 | 3567

Besides, schedules for MAD-GUA-MAD have been also uploaded:

MAD-GUA | IB6341 | 11:40 | 16:10 | 11:30 | 1246
GUA-MAD | IB6342 | 17:35 | 13:00 | 12:25 | 1246

However, the return flight is wrong or a stop is missing, because the eastbound legs are shorter than the westbound's, and here it's almost 1 hour longer. If I'm not wrong, GUA's runway can't support an A343 for a non-stop to MAD, so a stop would be required. Thus, assuming that the eastbound flight is around 10:25 and that the middle leg is about 00:45 hour, the schedule would be something like:

MAD-GUA | IB6341 | 11:40 | 16:10 | 11:30 | 1246
GUA-XXX | IB6342 | 17:35 | 18:20 | 00:45 | 1246
XXX-MAD | IB6342 | 19:35 | 13:00 | 10:25 | 1246

Two options are possible then: SAL or SAP, and I suppose SAL would be the best option because of the codeshare with TACA. Besides, it would provide its first non-stop link with Europe and may be a "warning" for AV/TA, who recently announced that TA will be begin flying TATL flights using A330 ordered for AV.

I hope IB announces soon these non-stop flights and the new destination used for the triangular flight with GUA.


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14287 times:

Very good news that IB is expanding

in a previous post i Wrote the possibility of IB expanding in Africa, so hopefully we will see new orders coming soon......to start replacing the oldest A340 and hopefully with new interiors, much better than the actuals mainly in Economy to offer an advance product and new IFE.....

What about new destinations in Mexico?? they could add MTY or maybe Guadalajara or even start flying to CUN in its own metal.....


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14177 times:
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Very interesting development with the new flight to COR

the second market in Argentina deserves that and IB is showing their future expansion plans for Latin America are true.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2724 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14045 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 2):
What about new destinations in Mexico?? they could add MTY or maybe Guadalajara or even start flying to CUN in its own metal.....

They of course would need A330s for further expansion into developing secondary Latin American markets. Is there plans to pursue growth into these markets considering the state of the Spanish economy?


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23034 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13926 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
Very interesting development with the new flight to COR

It is. There have been on again off again rumours about AA looking at 757 service MIA-COR. That would be another excellent addition for COR.



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6220 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13840 times:

I always thought we would see AA (from MIA) in COR before IB from MAD. Now in IB quest to serve most capitals in the Spanish speaking world, when will we see Asuncion (Paraguay) added to the route map. I am aware this is a very thin and long route, but it's a missing link. Additionally, when will we see a Bolivian city added to the route map- either Santa Cruz (VVI) or La Paz.

Regards,

Chepos



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13822 times:

GUA's runway is 3000m, is that not long enough? I thought that would be for non-stop A343 to Madrid?

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23034 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13809 times:

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 7):
GUA's runway is 3000m, is that not long enough? I thought that would be for non-stop A343 to Madrid?

It's hot and high also - about 1500 meters elevation.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13637 times:

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 7):
GUA's runway is 3000m, is that not long enough? I thought that would be for non-stop A343 to Madrid?
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
It's hot and high also - about 1500 meters elevation.

Let's take a look at some numbers:

SJO runway length is 9800 ft (2987 m) at 3021 ft (921 m) elevation.
GUA runway length is 9793 ft (2985 m) at 4952 ft (1509 m) elevation.

GUA-MAD distance (8719 km/5418 mi) is slightly longer that SJO-MAD (8507 km/5287 mi).

According to an IB A340 captain who flies that route quite often, their flights out of SJO face big weight restrictions and are unable to use flex thrust on take off due to rwy length/elevation, leaving TOGA as the only available option.

That said, I'd think that GUA-MAD nonstop is not possible.



¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13415 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 9):
Let's take a look at some numbers:

SJO runway length is 9800 ft (2987 m) at 3021 ft (921 m) elevation.
GUA runway length is 9793 ft (2985 m) at 4952 ft (1509 m) elevation.

GUA-MAD distance (8719 km/5418 mi) is slightly longer that SJO-MAD (8507 km/5287 mi).

According to an IB A340 captain who flies that route quite often, their flights out of SJO face big weight restrictions and are unable to use flex thrust on take off due to rwy length/elevation, leaving TOGA as the only available option.

That said, I'd think that GUA-MAD nonstop is not possible.

Actually it´s possible but with a big weight restriction, so it´s not practical business wise........much better to do a technical stop of 45 min en route.....for fuel.......

Where, i don´t know, but a good place could be San Pedro Sula, and they could add a new city to the network as well, and a new Country, First destination in Honduras..........Tegucigalpa is impossible and La Ceiba.......not big enough....

Quoting chepos (Reply 6):
I always thought we would see AA (from MIA) in COR before IB from MAD. Now in IB quest to serve most capitals in the Spanish speaking world, when will we see Asuncion (Paraguay) added to the route map. I am aware this is a very thin and long route, but it's a missing link. Additionally, when will we see a Bolivian city added to the route map- either Santa Cruz (VVI) or La Paz.

Regards,

Maybe if they finally buy A330 they could open some smaller routes like Asuncion, or VVI, and why not MAD-VVI-La Paz-VVI-MAD.

I think we will see an order from IB soon, there were rumors about them trying to get A330 from Air Comet and I really love to see this plane in IB colors....


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13070 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 10):
Where, i don´t know, but a good place could be San Pedro Sula, and they could add a new city to the network as well, and a new Country, First destination in Honduras..........Tegucigalpa is impossible and La Ceiba.......not big enough...

I agree SAP would be the best stop on the GUA route....but don't forget BZE.....long shot I know but I know IB has contacted the AIrport Authority.

And I know IB has already been sent the freight and UK troop numbers to BZE from the UK MoD.

I nice plum Gov't contract courtesy of their BA friends might just be worth it.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32809 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13020 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 10):
Maybe if they finally buy A330 they could open some smaller routes like Asuncion, or VVI, and why not MAD-VVI-La Paz-VVI-MAD.

A typical 2-class A330-200 will seat around 230, as opposed to the 250 or so seats in an Iberia A340-300.

20 seats isn't going to make a difference.



a.
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7584 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12504 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
I agree SAP would be the best stop on the GUA route....

How about CUN? Maybe IB could have fifth freedom rights?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12476 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
I agree SAP would be the best stop on the GUA route....

How about CUN? Maybe IB could have fifth freedom rights?

Not really, ever since Mexico took away the 5th freedom, and doesn't give it anymore, was one of the many reasons that the Lauda flight to Milan failed, it's also one of the reasons of KL leaving GUA



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineTalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11892 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
How about CUN? Maybe IB could have fifth freedom rights

In any case CUN is too heavily oriented towards leisure pax, who are flown in a cramped A330 of Iberojet in codeshare. And if there's any business pax they will be routed through MEX on Mexicana, which offers better connections.


About the A330s its not as much in terms of capacity but of efficiency, since it's cheaper to fly than the A340 (plus IB's A343s are the oldest A340s in the fleet). The problem with Asunción and Bolivia is that it's extremely low-yield markets, and AeroSur already flies MAD-VVI non-stop. If IB flies there, I don't think they'll be able to pull out anything more than a 3x, and seeing how they are now focusing in Africa as well those planes could well be deployed to new African cities. Tbh I see a third Brazilian city, a triangular flight in Colombia or even Monterrey before those two cities but who knows.

Expect to see more announcements as agreements with cabrin crew and pilots are reached over the next weeks.


User currently offlineKelual From Spain, joined Jul 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11847 times:

Why everyone keep saying that IB will get A330s? where all those rumors come from?

User currently offlineTalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11814 times:

Quoting Kelual (Reply 16):
Why everyone keep saying that IB will get A330s? where all those rumors come from?

It's been said in newspapers, forums and aviation websites for quite a while now, from in-house sources. The A330s in any case were an emergency exit a year ago when IB was really short of planes and couldn't afford growing with A346s since it would kill yields with overcapacity. But with the BA merger now almost completed it makes sense to order planes together which means that we might A350/787 orders from the new company and, at least in my view, 3-4 BA 380s in IB livery to cover high density markets.

Other than that, any A330s that IB buys will be a temporal solution until the A350s/787s come around. And given that IB plans to increas its fleet to 41 longhaul planes for 2012, I think the probability of seeing 330s is pretty high.


User currently offlinem180up From El Salvador, joined May 2006, 403 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11608 times:

Quoting realsim (Reply 1):
two options are possible then: SAL or SAP, and I suppose SAL would be the best option because of the codeshare with TACA. Besides, it would provide its first non-stop link with Europe and may be a "warning" for AV/TA, who recently announced that TA will be begin flying TATL flights using A330 ordered for AV.

I really wish we could fianlly get a TATL flight, but it is a long shot for us.

Too bad for our airport, it is really underutilized.



Werner from SAL
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11451 times:

If AV/TA starts SAL-MAD, no matter if IB choice of stop for GUA en route to MAD is SAL, IB will be with a disadvantage. AV/TA would get the feeder from GUA, SAP, TGU, RTB, MGA even SJO or MEX; while IB would depend on O/D and those passengers connecting in MAD.
IMHO, IB might not be thinking GUA-SAL-MAD but GUA-MGA-MAD. I can't imagine IB MAD-SJO-MAD flight being popular with Nicaraguans, since those are required visas to get to/from SJO, if travelling overland. Also, MGA could provide quite an interesting number of F/C seats.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineTalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11061 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
If AV/TA starts SAL-MAD, no matter if IB choice of stop for GUA en route to MAD is SAL, IB will be with a disadvantage. AV/TA would get the feeder from GUA, SAP, TGU, RTB, MGA even SJO or MEX; while IB would depend on O/D and those passengers connecting in MAD.
IMHO, IB might not be thinking GUA-SAL-MAD but GUA-MGA-MAD. I can't imagine IB MAD-SJO-MAD flight being popular with Nicaraguans, since those are required visas to get to/from SJO, if travelling overland. Also, MGA could provide quite an interesting number of F/C seats.

I thought IB already had an extensive agreement with TACA anyways. In any case, IB can always make GUA daily and alternate the triangular flights, moving into SAL and MGA on different days. That's what I see in a near future since clearly GUA is the only city out of all of those that can afford sustained service all-year round.

On the same note, I expect Panama to grow to at least 5x in a not so far future.


User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4761 posts, RR: 30
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10800 times:

Quoting m180up (Reply 18):

I really wish we could fianlly get a TATL flight, but it is a long shot for us.

Too bad for our airport, it is really underutilized.

   And a neat airport, it is...



Don't expect to see me around that much (if at all) -- the contact link should still work, though.
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7584 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10589 times:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 21):
And a neat airport, it is...

I have to agree. I flew last September PTY-MEX on CM and we were diverted to GUA due to heavy rain in MEX (I would have honestly preferred to be diverted to GDL or CUN at that time). Even though it was nighttime and everything was dark and closed, the terminal did seem very modern and cool.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4508 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10573 times:

Quoting chepos (Reply 6):
Additionally, when will we see a Bolivian city added to the route map- either Santa Cruz (VVI) or La Paz.

I would concur here.
AeroSur operates [VVI-MAD] and it demonstrates itself the existence of such market.




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Quoting migair54 (Reply 10):
but a good place could be San Pedro Sula, and they could add a new city to the network as well, and a new Country, First destination in Honduras..........Tegucigalpa is impossible and La Ceiba.......not big enough....

IB served San Pedro Sula in the past during the Miami hub era.




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Quoting aer (Reply 14):
it's also one of the reasons of KL leaving GUA

If I recall correctly, it was routed as KL AMS-MEX-GUA.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
MGA could provide quite an interesting number of F/C seats.

I agree.
Managua is forming part of the Central American cities where TA makes flights on behalf of IB as code-share operations.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineolli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10448 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 2):
What about new destinations in Mexico?? they could add MTY or maybe Guadalajara or even start flying to CUN in its own metal.....

I'm afraid MTY is a lost cause for the time being. AM offered nonstop flights to FCO & MAD and none of them succeded. Seems regios prefer to travel via IAH or DFW, honestly! Tough crowd!

About GDL, I don´t know, Air Pullmantur used to have a weekly flight and they pulled out.

Best Regards,


25 EddieDude : Well, certainly MTY-FCO failed because that flight was designed to provide a direct connection between MEX and FCO but due to range limitations, the
26 Talaier : I tend to think that IB will let any secondary city flights out of Mexico to Mexicana. If MTY is ever to start non-stop, it'd be on their metal. But
27 LIPZ : Eff Oct 1st IB 6849 MAD COR 01.35 09.25 (1--4-6-) IB 6850 COR MAD 14.00 06.55 (1--4-6-) with A-343
28 Post contains links realsim : Iberia's Press Release: http://grupo.iberia.es/portal/site/g...4e2ffa8210VgnVCM100000930216ac____ Iberia states: "Cordoba will become a hub for passen
29 LipeGIG : Good to see the confirmation from IB ! Interesting they do not say about the plane they will use neither the times. Just a small correction, LA does
30 Talaier : They don't but they surely carry a fair amount of connecting pax through SCL. Those connecting pax to Europe via SCL which are quite a few is what IB
31 Post contains images realsim : LIPZ posted it just before me: I've checked some fares and the cheapest roundtrip non-stop flight is at 958,00 € all included. That's cheaper than
32 LipeGIG : That's correct, plus with many operations going from EZE to AEP, IB move come in a very good timing, i can expect MAD-COR to become 5x weekly very qu
33 Talaier : Indeed. It is already being rumoured that IB has it's eyes in Brasilia and Belo Horizonte as new secondary destinations, trying to bring TAP some com
34 LipeGIG : If COR turns into a successfull operation, yes we might expect some services to places like Medellin, Cali, Recife, Belo Horizonte, Brasilia, as well
35 Talaier : I agree. I only see more US flights with the joint venture though providing AA funnells through pax from other places in Europe via MAD. And even the
36 LipeGIG : Now i got your point and it's a focus on AA hubs (or focus city in the case of BOS) in order to distribute the traffic. No doubt, the next "wave" for
37 2travel2know2 : If IB wants to compete w/TP in BSB or CNF, then IB will be forced to fly red-eyes both ways, a good option would it be then to tag-on to ASU and VVI
38 Talaier : IB always gives priority to red-eye flights on all flights to South America and Africa (and has even a red-eye to MEX) so the new flights will be nig
39 ju068 : Do you think that COR will initially cover some losses, or is the market that strong that subventions are not needed? Thanks
40 Talaier : I don't think there is much money involved, and even if there were subsidies from the local government I think that given the amount of connecting pa
41 LipeGIG : IB could take good flights if they merge POA and MVD , CWB and ASU as both city pairs have a lot in common. Other possibility come with GIG and SCL w
42 Post contains links realsim : According to the Civil Aviation Authority of Paraguay, it seems that IB is considering to start flights to ASU in 2011. It would be, firstly, as a tag
43 Talaier : ^^ Flying to ASU may actually help the COR flights increase their frequency. However, the tag would need to come after COR and not before (ie. MAD-COR
44 LipeGIG : Could be a MAD-GIG-ASU flight ? This could mean Madrid-Rio overnight with tag to Assuncion
45 Talaier : Or even from GRU. We'll see, it's not even confirmed yet since they are still crunching the numbers.
46 Talaier : Today the new tag on from GUA has been confirmed: SAL. MAD-GUA: 11:40-16:20 (11h :40m) GUA-SAL: 17:30-18:20 (0h :50m) SAL-MAD: 19:50-13:15 (10h :25m)
47 aer : Well as long as they don't ditch GUA...
48 SCL767 : Yes, DINAC granted IB the rights to operate MAD-COR-ASU on a weekly basis during 2011. LAN Perú will launch LIM-ASU this November. IMO, ASU is too l
49 IBERIA747 : IB has been flying to GUA for 40 years, so i hope the new route obtains good results. However, this could be in danger due to Taca's plans to start n
50 2travel2know2 : With that MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD routing, IB is trying to kill TA future SAL-MAD before it starts.
51 SJOtoLIR : Not necessarily. I visualize two different businesses: OneWorld and Star Alliance potentially. Anyways, if the possible TA SJO-MAD would come into fo
52 yellowtail : I am truly surprised that it did not turn out to be MAD-GUA-SAP-MAD. I know the SAP Chamber of Commerce was throwing some rev guarantees at them. So i
53 Talaier : That's what I'm thinking. IB will fiercely defend it's terroritory to any outsiders whilst it can. As to the *A/OW difference, I though LH had made i
54 Summa767 : It will be interesting indeed. Or maybe it will no fly to MAD, but to FRA instead. Who knows.. or to BCN? No doubt LH has settled for BOG as a channe
55 Post contains images realsim : Great! For the first time in many years, I'm happy with Iberia's moves and how they are expanding their network. It's great to see that, in the same
56 SCL767 : IMO, COR could last at least seasonally since IB will draw connections from LAN and could potentially operate a tag-on to ASU weekly.
57 SJOtoLIR : Very interesting point of view ! Does anybody doubt about the feasibility of IB BCN-GRU ? LH is currently flying to Sao Paulo out of both FRA and MUC
58 LipeGIG : I do. BCN is a feasible market in my view to EZE first. Ties between BCN and GRU are not so big as EZE. You can't compare MUC / FRA with MAD / BCN. G
59 Post contains images m180up : Good thing ! Now I hope they suceed on the route, it is good for both GUA and us.
60 migair54 : One day you will see, I think IB is starting to do a real good job.......look like they want to become a global airline.... It could work with some s
61 Post contains images AR385 : I agree with you. However that service was just a part of a complex mullti-hub operation centered around MIA which in itself was a very smart, strate
62 IBERIA747 : According to Eurostat, during the last decade Spain has been the 2nd foreign investor in Brazil after the United States, and the biggest European inv
63 LipeGIG : Even with that you have at this point to reduce MAD offer. BCN have very good ties with the spanish Latin America, not with Sao Paulo or Rio de Janei
64 Talaier : Actually BCN might make sense since it's *A hub in Southern Europe but maybe it's easier to fly to FRA. However i I'm with you in that Germany generat
65 SCL767 : LIM is most definitely a oneworld hub and the "nerve centre" of LAN's network. LAN Perú is currently creating a second bank of flights at LIM. Also,
66 realsim : In terms of foreing population living in Catalonia, you are right, because Brazil comes the 6th behind Ecuador, Bolivia, Colombia, Perú and Argentin
67 2travel2know2 : But that doesn't mean that IB couldn't fly BCN-GRU-EZE. On related news, Air Europa is quite mad with the Panamanian Tourism Authority because they s
68 Talaier : Air Europa's chairman did mention it a few days ago, saying that they could've created industry and employment by promoting tourism in Panama but I g
69 LipeGIG : I don't know how the bilateral works, but it would be difficult for IB to get the slots right now at GRU. Thanks, VFR is a huge component for such a
70 2travel2know2 : I Maybe the Panamanian Tourism Authority will knock on UX door the day the new Coclé airport opens, wherever in Coclé province is built if Rio Hato
71 Talaier : You are right, and I strongly agree in that EZE is an obvious step in any ambition to start long-haul from BCN. However, given the current situation
72 LipeGIG : That's my expectation also, something like 10x/12x MAD-GIG in the near future, daily red-eye plus 3x/5x daylight. We can expect a lot from IB in the
73 Post contains links hardiwv : I agree BCN-GRU will come first. IB recently stated that currently Brazil is their no. 1 market in Latin America. But I dont think IB would be intere
74 Talaier : None. However, most IB long-haul flights technicall originate and terminate in BCN, since IB has a special shuttle service (sometimes operated by a 3
75 migair54 : I also listen some speculations about EK operating to south America via Spain, MAD or BCN...... It´s obvious that BCN could have some long haul ops
76 hardiwv : I dont think this will happen, EK normally flies nonstop (see DXB-GRU). With the Asian carriers is different because there is no equipment which allo
77 Rafabozzolla : I would think it's more likely to see IB doing MAD secondary Brazil rather than BCN anywhere... They just don't care about Barcelona. Just like BA is
78 Talaier : To be honest I think IB's pullout of BCN has been misunderstood to a large extent and politicians are to blame for that. IB always acknowledged the i
79 LipeGIG : They are looking to stop losing an important market as BCN to foreign carriers. I believe they realize BCN is not attracted in general to fly thru MA
80 mah4546 : Iberia has already announced BCN-GRU, BCN-MIA and BCN-EZE, to be operated pending a pilot union agreement. AA operates JFK-BCN already, soon in joint
81 BigGSFO : They did? When? Did I miss this or has it not been officially announced yet?
82 mah4546 : It's not officially announced because Iberia has not reached a pilot agreement. As part of Iberia's proposed union agreement, Iberia will launch BCN-
83 hardiwv : The important part of the comment on the link was not about SQ but about the interest of tourism authorities in Barcelona to push for an airline to o
84 Cubsrule : My memory is fuzzy on this point, but didn't IB fly MIA-BCN in the early part of last decade - around the time JK flew to IAD?
85 migair54 : Or Via DXB with EK.... They could have a lot of interest but if SQ won´s see a good business they won´t operate, to operate the route SQ will need
86 2travel2know2 : Please notice that a big number of the last post have nothing to do with IB new MAD-COR or non-stops MAD-GUA/PTY but IB (or others) flights between BC
87 LipeGIG : No, need to be European airline. Exactly, and that means BCN may work with strong O&D and economic/historic ties plus good VFR markets and i can
88 AR385 : From what I´ve been reading, it seems that IB´s strategy is leaning towards starting nonstop, high frequency flights to medium sized markets. How wl
89 hardiwv : Thanks, and very soon also via DOH with QF, offering the world's best business class. Surely it will be an excellent addition to the network in GRU.
90 SJOtoLIR : Let's analyze the rest of the Latin American market in Barcelona nowadays: AV BOG-BCN 4x weekly and AR EZE-BCN 2x weekly. IMHO, the stellar Brazilian
91 LipeGIG : I still don't see a point. BCN is more a local market than a big connecting point. BOG-BCN being 4x weekly just enphasize that there's a good VFR com
92 AR385 : I believe AM also flies MEX-BCN-MEX 2x.
93 migair54 : You´re right It´s seems like IB it´s really keen on developing more non-stop markets to Latin America.....And they must do because AF-KLM is reall
94 SJOtoLIR : The dedicated IB MAD-PTY would also stop the intended UX MAD-PTY and back. . We cannot compare the very limited Latin American network on LH against
95 hardiwv : LH will not withdraw from CCS, this is too important market for LH to leave behind. KL already upgraded PTY-AMS to 5 weekly and in this market KL als
96 SJOtoLIR : TACA bears the IB code on selected Central American flights trying to link IB MAD-SJO-MAD and the triangular IB MAD-GUA-PTY-SJO. I'll look forward ab
97 Talaier : I'd imagine TACA fares quite well with those IB passengers, given that the SJO is a daily flight and the new triangular will be in 4 times a week. Su
98 EddieDude : And if I am not mistaken, AM is adding two more additional weekly frequencies to BCN after the World Cup.
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