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The New United (UA+CO) And Latin America  
User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 860 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20942 times:

The UA/CO merger would (as approval is pending but likely) give United new synergies in the region? Do we see a potential head to head with AA and/or DL? What will the future bring to IAH? MIA? Let's discuss.....


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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6176 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20920 times:

AA is not going to let UA re-build it's presence in MIA. AA would put up a massive fight which would result in a bloodbath. The new UAL I'm pretty sure will concentrate on IAH (which is no MIA) to continue funneling traffic to South and Central America. Newark would also help to funnel traffic to the region (mostly to the markets they currently serve).
Let's just wait and see.

Regards,

Chepos

[Edited 2010-05-07 13:18:39]


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16690 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20867 times:

As part of the announcement of the CO/UA merger IAH was identified as the combined carrier's "largest hub", meaning now and going forward. A lot of assets are going to be redeployed during the merger, and with the many new aircraft on order. IAH will grow, and Latin America will be the core market.


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User currently offlineFlyHossD From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 748 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20783 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
As part of the announcement of the CO/UA merger IAH was identified as the combined carrier's "largest hub", meaning now and going forward. A lot of assets are going to be redeployed during the merger, and with the many new aircraft on order. IAH will grow, and Latin America will be the core market.

Though I loathe the much over-used expression, "synergies," I am wondering if the numerous destinations that Continental already serves in Latin America will allow for additional non-stop flights from UAL hubs, especially LAX (Denver also has a huge Latino population).



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16690 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20759 times:

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 3):
Though I loathe the much over-used expression, "synergies," I am wondering if the numerous destinations that Continental already serves in Latin America will allow for additional non-stop flights from UAL hubs, especially LAX (Denver also has a huge Latino population).

LAX to Central America and Chicago to Mexico.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5884 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20740 times:

Quoting chepos (Reply 1):
concentrate on IAH (which is no MIA)

No, but for some cities it works even better.

PTY, BZE etc



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20732 times:

Isn't IAH already second to Latin America now? Will IAH pass Miami in traffic numbers? No. Will it be a strong #2 as UA/COs largest hub, yes.

for cities served it is already #1 to Central America (including Mexico). It should continue to grow in South America, and possibly the Carib. If the politcal aviation rules would change, for example, IAH-MAR is one CO stated would start very quickly.



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User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 860 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20699 times:

Quoting chepos (Reply 1):
AA is not going to let UA re-build it's presence in MIA. AA would put up a massive fight which would result in a bloodbath.

I actually was not thinking that UA will try MIA again but to beef up IAH, therefore fight MIA (and DFW for that matter) as a hub. (I know MIA always be what it is because of location, language, etc)

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
As part of the announcement of the CO/UA merger IAH was identified as the combined carrier's "largest hub", meaning now and going forward.

Defenetely this merger could make Latin America a battleground on AA's backyard.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5884 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20602 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 7):
As part of the announcement of the CO/UA merger IAH was identified as the combined carrier's "largest hub", meaning now and going forward.
Quoting eastern023 (Reply 7):
Defenetely this merger could make Latin America a battleground on AA's backyard.

IAH will be beefed up not only because of LatAm....but because the yields out of it to destinations to such as LHR, DXB, LOS, DOH, NRT (rumored to be one of CO best yielding routes) are excellent. There is room to grow with fairly limited competition. For example if UACO launched IAH-LOS or IAH-HKG tomorrow..it would go gangbusters.



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User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 860 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20544 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 6):
for cities served it is already #1 to Central America (including Mexico). It should continue to grow in South America, and possibly the Carib. If the politcal aviation rules would change, for example, IAH-MAR is one CO stated would start very quickly.

Destinations such as: LPB, VVI, GYE, SCL (return to as both CO and UA served it at some point), COR, MVD....hmmm. Yes, DFW and MIA beware!.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20470 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 9):
Destinations such as: LPB, VVI, GYE, SCL (return to as both CO and UA served it at some point), COR, MVD....hmmm. Yes, DFW and MIA beware!.

True, many good choices that I think we will see come to fruition.
IIRC though IAH is bigger than DFW in Int'l traffic as whole not MIA.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20434 times:

The merger adds three daily flights and zero destinations to CO's already extensive network. Whether or not CO grows in the region is certainly a question, but the merger doesn't add much and I would reason to say that CO would go on the same LatAm path regardless of the merger.


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20419 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 9):
Destinations such as: LPB, VVI, GYE, SCL (return to as both CO and UA served it at some point), COR, MVD....hmmm.

I don't really see how this merger would make any of those markets any more or less viable.

CO already tried Bolivia years ago, and it didn't work. The market from the U.S. isn't that huge, and what market there is is rather concentrated. What would this merger do to make this market any larger or broader for CO versus last time?

GYE - another market CO already tried (via PTY, and I believe also non-stop at one point). Either way, it also didn't work. And once again, how would a merger change that?

As for SCL - that one, I think, would be viable for CO today, right now, with or without a merger. I think a well-timed flight from IAH would do well. That is irregardless of any merger.

COR isn't viable now for CO, nor would it ever be. The only U.S. market that would work to/from COR would be MIA, not IAH or IAD or EWR, with or without a merger.

MVD - yeah, maybe, someday - but in any event, it would probably only ever be 1-stop via EZE. That one might actually benefit from increased connectivity in EZE (namely from IAD + IAH, plus maybe EWR).


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16690 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 20195 times:

Former CO/UA Latin American routes:

IAH-Barranquila (via SJO)
IAH-Cali (via SJO)
IAH-Cali
IAH-Guayaquil
IAH-Santa Cruz (via LIM)

EWR-
Guayaquil (via PTY)
Guayaquil
Quito (via BOG)
Santiago
Santiago (via LIM)
Caracas
Rio De Janeiro-Belo Horizonte

LAX-
SAL
GUA, SAL

UA:
MIA-
Buenos Aires
Caracas
Rio De Janeiro
Sao Paulo
Santiago
San Jose
Guatemala City
Lima

JFK-
Caracas, Port of Spain
Buenos Aires-Montevideo
Sao Paulo-Rio De Janeiro



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20141 times:
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United will have service from IAD, ORD, IAH and EWR to Sao Paulo plus IAD and IAH to Buenos Aires, those two most important cities will be served six times daily by the (new) United. Continental has massive service to nortth Lain America and Mexico, United will be in a very good position for Travel to our Spanish speaking neighbors. Miami isn't everything.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16690 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20126 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
United will be in a very good position for Travel to our Spanish speaking neighbors

And Portuguese.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20044 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
Spanish speaking neighbors

I'm sure you didn't mean that.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
United will have service from IAD, ORD, IAH and EWR to Sao Paulo plus IAD and IAH to Buenos Aires

GIG is about to eclipse EZE in terms of flighs to the US and has more potential to for the new United, since it will become a Star hub.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 19967 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 16):

GIG is about to eclipse EZE in terms of flighs to the US and has more potential to for the new United, since it will become a Star hub.

Looking at peak schedules and including future new service coming this year:

GIG - MIA 19w, JFK 11w, ATL 7w, IAH 7w, CLT 7w
EZE - MIA 32w, DFW 7w, ATL 7w, IAD 7w, JFK 7w, IAH 7w

EZE still has 32% more weekly non-stop flights.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 19863 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 17):
Looking at peak schedules and including future new service coming this year:

15% if you count IAD in. We also have to wait and see if AA extends DFW to GIG, which would decrease the gap to 3%. GIG would surpass EZE if JJ adds the rumoured three JFK missing frequencies for the nonstop, but we can't forget JJ's one-stop flights to GIG from both JFK and MIA, so we could add 14w on top of that. That's why say that GIG is about to eclipse EZE. Totality could be reached as soon as 2011.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 19847 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 18):
15% if you count IAD in. We also have to wait and see if AA extends DFW to GIG, which would decrease the gap to 3%.

I don't count in any tag-on flights which receive feed from multiple other services and often land as little as 30% full.

EZE has nearly one-third more non-stop capacity to the United States.

And with the DL/US deal dead, let's see what US Airways decides to do because it's obvious it wants GRU, not GIG.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8873 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 19768 times:

IAH is well positioned geographically to take people to/from Central/South America to just about anywhere west of the Mississippi, even California.


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19615 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):
I don't count in any tag-on flights which receive feed from multiple other services and often land as little as 30% full.

EZE has nearly one-third more non-stop capacity to the United States.

I wasn't counting capacity. I was referring to the flight links only.


User currently offlineplatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18997 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
LAX to Central America and Chicago to Mexico.

Doesn't Taca who is in *A cover this? I remember UA cut LAX-SAL/GUA and instead codeshared.



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User currently offlinerelaxitsfedex7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 18770 times:

Quoting chepos (Reply 1):

I know that AA won't let UA/CO built their presents up in MIA, But they do have a chance to build up there presents in MCO. Is that possible? or is that to much work?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16690 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18052 times:

Quoting platinumfoota (Reply 22):
Doesn't Taca who is in *A cover this? I remember UA cut LAX-SAL/GUA and instead codeshared.

True, but CO has never been one to let an Alliance partner do what they could do themselves. And CO's management for the most part will be running the new UA.



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25 fun2fly : Perfect 762 Route = High density business class, not a lot of risk due to 174 seats.
26 2travel2know2 : Doesn't look like the new UA/CO will be looking to set-up a hub in South Florida (which mean AA MIA stronghold isn't the only airport suitable for a h
27 bobnwa : I think around Christmas time, the "presents" should do fairly well in both MIA and MCO.
28 LipeGIG : May be now works considering new gas discoveries. It depends how oil market is doing. GYE is already well served to the United States and the sole di
29 airbazar : How can you say that if the merger is not even approved? I'm sure there will be a good number of redundant routes that will free up aircraft to start
30 Post contains images Aeroflot001 : Orgulho de ser brasileiro Orgulloso de ser brasileño Spanish and Portuguese, whats the difference? I am assuming that the new United will beef thing
31 EddieDude : UA has been having problems making LAX-MEX and ORD-MEX work due to the strong MX competition. Do you guys think that post-merger the new UA will try t
32 United1 : I think that is where you are going to see allot of UAs Latin America growth in the coming years. The new UA will be able to leverage off COs existin
33 bogota : I think one of the biggest questions regarding UA/CO in Latin America is what is going to happen with CO association with CM, as the latter has been a
34 commavia : Okay, but that's not a result of the merger. Bolivia may or may not work - but either way, it won't be because of a merger. Beyond that, anything's p
35 kiwiandrew : Except of course for the minor fact that TACA aren't in *A . At some point they could be , but for the moment they have not yet joined , or even been
36 CALPSAFltSkeds : The most important thing I can see is the potential of utilizing some of UA's 752 and 763ER aircraft for international expansion. With 739ER aircraft
37 mah4546 : It won't. COR-U.S. market is over 75% to Miami. Overfly three-fourth of an already small market? Not going to happen. Same reason IAH-VVI/CLO did not
38 airbazar : Then you missed my comment. I gave a couple of reasons as to why this merger will be beneficial to the new UA in South/Central America. By eliminatin
39 LipeGIG : I agree that's not because of the merger. But we need to be in mind that they might free some aircraft. About political issues, yes you might be righ
40 mah4546 : How? The majority of the market will continue to take options like LAN or Copa. The market is really small, Lipe. Really, really really small. It's l
41 LipeGIG : No doubt some routes might not work with UA orCO alone, but Now the chances are bigger and better with a bigger customer base!
42 embrider : What is the point on keeping flights from GRU to both EWR and IAD? It seems smarter to transfer one of them to a west hub, perhaps LAX or DEN
43 STT757 : The point is there is enough local demand to sustain those flights at both EWR and IAD, any connecting traffic is secondary to the local traffic.
44 LAXdude1023 : I dont think Latin American service is going to change much. Both airlines already fly the cities that make sense from their respective hubs. The merg
45 LipeGIG : Exactly the point. New York and Washington can support each one daily services. Of course what could happen is change of aircrafts if they detect tha
46 CALPSAFltSkeds : Sorry duplicate post from earlier today.[Edited 2010-05-08 21:02:49]
47 Cubsrule : Agreed with respect to CO's service, but I could see some of the UA service changing. In particular, I could see IAD-EZE/GIG moving to EWR. That's so
48 Post contains images platinumfoota : That's right they just codeshare.
49 PKRJ : I don't agree. Newark has a huge Brazilian colony. Maybe a non stop EWR-GIG would be a good O&D flight, or also TAM could make many cod-share con
50 STT757 : They do and they don't, there's competition from Queens. But the main Portuguese/Brazilian population center of the area is in Newark New Jersey. CO
51 LipeGIG : Agree that CNF could be added allowing also connections from IAH-GIG to CNF. EWR-GIG-CNF would be a fantastic flight given current demand for busines
52 ba747 : Are we Venezuelans going to see the following flights back: CCS/MIA UA CCS/JFK UA CCS/EWR CO I really hope so. It is frustating when you want to go to
53 mah4546 : No. The Venezuelan government has not allowed any new service between the U.S. and Venezuela in five years and has shown no signs of changing that. B
54 Cubsrule : I wonder whether they could find 3-4 frequencies - perhaps one or two each from IAD-GRU and ORD-GRU - to start a nonstop to CNF. Even if they could,
55 commavia : I'm not sure if any of UA/CO's U.S. hubs could support a nonstop to GIG. Of all of them, EWR would probably be the one with the best shot, but I pers
56 COflyerBOS : I love Continental (United) and IAH, but I just don't see too many opportunities for growth in new markets. SCL- There's a chance we could see a 762 t
57 C010T3 : I don't understand how you can say that in absolute terms. IAD-GIG was working for UA until the crisis hit in 2008. They even extended the season in
58 commavia : Sorry - I meant CNF. As I already said, I definitely think EWR could support a GIG nonstop at least several times per week, and IAH already is.
59 LipeGIG : Could be good for UA/CO to open CNF as a tag to may be open as a non-stop in 2011 when more frequencies become available or a potential open skies ex
60 C010T3 : Oh, OK, I see what you mean. CNF does not work yet, but it may in the future after AA is well established with daily flights to MIA, but UA would hav
61 commavia : I think that at least for now any other airline would probably be better to do a 1-stop through GIG. And I agree that there is probably - in the near
62 Post contains images rleiro : Add this that in 1999 / 2000 UA requested CCS - IAD, which was denied, as well as American Eagle SJU PMV, which was denied as well. I highly doubt th
63 C010T3 : Yes, we also have to wait and see how the new UA will invest in its South American network. If the effort doesn't start being comparable to DL and AA
64 PKRJ : I never understood how come MVD has such a low demand? They just have two routes to outside South America. One to MAD and the other to MIA with a sto
65 FlyingSicilian : You are incorrect, There is a market. Local IAH oil industry has asked for it for years (there is a reason YEG IAH was started again even though it w
66 rleiro : Please read carefully my words... There is no market for a daily service, I agree IAH and MAR have a strong commercial link, and a route might work,
67 FlyingSicilian : OK, mi dispiace, lo siento, I'm sorry if you wrote/meant otherwise. I tend to disagree on the daily service part. I think daily would work but 5x a w
68 2travel2know2 : If CO hasn't been able to start IAH-MAR, how come - knowing there's a demmand - no Venezuelan airline has started the flight? IMHO, for Brazil, maybe
69 rleiro : It's OK amigo, it's great to discuss about Venezuelan Aviation in this forum. As you mentioned, the political (and economic) climate between two coun
70 thomasphoto60 : Help me out here guys, however I seem to recall seeing an old CO Timetable from the early 80s (post strike and shutdown) showing MAR (as well as CCS)
71 rleiro : It was not your imagination. You're right: CO served MAR, as well as PA and Viasa did too... Unfortunately, the 1983 black friday killed the route. T
72 Post contains links and images STT757 : I thought it was via New Orleans. I remember Viasa flew to IAH with an A300. View Large View MediumPhoto © Thomas millard
73 LipeGIG : As i mentioned, tags could help UA/CO to enter into markets like ASU, MVD, SCL, COR as well as domestic markets in Brazil (CNF, POA and CWB). But the
74 commavia : I personally think tags would be a waste of time. Star now has an excellent internal feeder network within Brazil via the country's largest airline -
75 2travel2know2 : PTY isn't in Southamerica, so there are actually 3 routes from MVD outside Southamerica. And CM flight holds CO code-share. CO Venezuelan flights wer
76 LipeGIG : Tags are waste of time, yes if you can take care of the market with a non-stop. But still are a good way to develop markets, in my view. How other wa
77 Cubsrule : That's how UA handled MVD in the early part of this decade, though the second flight was from IAH-EZE. If they bring back ORD-EZE - a route I think m
78 Post contains links and images rleiro : CO Venezuelan flights were Braniff and before that DL. When CO took over those routes, CO didn't fly via MSY but non-stop from IAH. What ever happened
79 Aeroflot001 : AA is probably the airline up to it. Would be interesting how they would handle catering at COR because although cordoba is the second biggest city i
80 eastern023 : Even though I agree with the statement I always thought IAD-EZE-SCL could have worked. Did CO ever served SCL to IAH via LIM?. I think it was towards
81 OA412 : Yes they did. As you mentioned, it was near the end, prior to SCL being shut down. Unless I'm mistaken, aircraft used was a 752.[Edited 2010-05-11 19
82 thomasphoto60 : Speaking of IAH and Venezuela, why did Viasa pull IAH Although there are no photos, I recall reading that Viasa also served IAH with DC-10s and DC-8s,
83 LipeGIG : It could work very well if UA/CO further develop more options into EZE. With just one flight, it's not interesting for an airline to tag as this is t
84 drerx7 : Any chance we see DEN get some Latin America I don't know about the DC8s but that's a yes on the DC10...I have seen pics.
85 Cubsrule : But for the vast majority of Star passengers to Latin America (those with good access to YYZ), this wouldn't even be the best Star route to SCL, not
86 commavia : First, I'm not sure if the combined company could support 4x daily service to EZE. I think IAH plus either IAD or EWR - maybe both, but I think proba
87 LipeGIG : Yes will not be, but for many will be the best way to go to Chile with a Star carrier. As a tag, would not be a bad bet for UA/CO considering they ru
88 2travel2know2 : Other than flights to México and the odd weekend high season flights to some leisure hotspot like LIR, BZE or MBJ and to CO's partner CM hub (becaus
89 Post contains links rleiro : Viasa ceased operations in 1997. Here are all the entries in the db of Viasa in IAH. Saludos, Roberto.
90 viaggiare : Um, TACA is not a Star Alliance member.
91 jfk777 : Four flights would require 8 767 or 777, 3 flights from Newark, Houston and Washington would seem more practicle and realistic. EZE has little traffi
92 worldtraveler : true statement... CO has the DNA to serve Latin America but they don't have the ideal hubs... IAH is NOT in the "flight path" of the majority of Lati
93 Cubsrule : Why did UA run ORD-EZE, then? If they are doing 3 flights to EZE, ORD/IAH/EWR probably makes more sense than IAH/IAD/EWR. The local markets at IAD an
94 aer : Been asking the same question all around. But IF the CO/CM deal would end, at least CM would be able to fly to IAH and EWR then.
95 SATexan : AA tried that route in 2008 and failed..
96 Cubsrule : Indeed. UA also ran it in the early part of last decade. The rumour was that UA was relatively satisfied with its performance and cut it because of t
97 jfk777 : The merger with Continental does nothing to feed an EZE flight from ORD any better then when UA did operate the route. ORD is too far north and west
98 jfk777 : United should fly a 757 from IAH to Santiago, Chile nonstop, of course.
99 thomasphoto60 : Indeed, but from I have heard they pulled their IAH ops some years earlier, sometime in the early-to-mid 90s. That said, it would be nice to see some
100 Cubsrule : IAH-EWR is 500 nm too far for a CO 752. You have the reasoning backwards. AA couldn't make it work BECAUSE there was so much competition within the A
101 rleiro : Maybe it was shortly after the privatization of the airline, when IB took over the control of Viasa there were many changes in the route network, may
102 love2009iah : I would love to see the new UA+CO using IAH as a connecting hub for paxs from the west coast to the Dominican Republic. The following city pairs will
103 jfk777 : OK, Argentina isn't the UK or Japan but service to Berlin and Barcelona could be done from both. Both airlines fly to Sao Paulo from IAD and EWR, the
104 Cubsrule : Yes - as it does with IAD and EWR. That's (again) why I'm not sure that more than two flights to EZE make sense. Yes and no. There was also an opport
105 jfk777 : Probably because they are big into FRA, LH main hub. UA doesn't fly to smaller European cities and there smallest international plane is a 767, so th
106 Post contains images Cubsrule : The 752 cannot operate IAD-TXL.
107 SJOtoLIR : Speaking about the new variable called [UA/CO], CO LAX-SAL 3x weekly was active during the summer of 2009. SAL, SJO and GUA are currently getting non
108 jfk777 : The question was why UA doesn't fly to TXL, not because a 757 cannot fly it. UA and LH fly 4 or 5 daily IAD to FRA flights, so it doesn't really need
109 Cubsrule : You were the one who brought up 757s...
110 love2009iah : What are the chances of UA CO starting direct services from from the following city pairs: IAH-MIA-SDQ PUJ POP STI I think this will be a killer route
111 CODC10 : 0%. CO has tried IAH-PUJ, it wasn't very successful, but it certainly could return. Maybe 35-40% chance of it happening. MIA-PUJ, close to nil. IAH-P
112 GlobalCabotage : All of the DL supporters here claim that DTW is the best place for Asia to South America connections and can support flights to LIM (which failed mise
113 jfk777 : UA/CO should not worry so much about which hub to desginate for Brazil/ Asia but use all their hubs. GRU to NRT could be done over Houston, Newark or
114 2travel2know2 : Or PTY if UA/CO keeps feeding CM's hub. BTW, MEX, GDL, MTY and CUN are in Latinamerica.
115 AADC10 : I do not see the Latin America routes changing much with the combined CO/UA. Some flight from IAD might be reduced or made seasonal but UA has never b
116 jfk777 : COPA has done wonders with its " hub of the Americas " in Panama but traffic to Asia isn't a prime concern. No airline flies nonstop to Tokyo or othe
117 love2009iah : Why MIA to SDQ STI POP PUJ have no change at all? The local market is big plus they can bring connecting pax from DEN ORD IAH.
118 2travel2know2 : 1- MIA isn't a UA/CO hub. 2- UA/CO usually do not operate P2P flights outside their hubs. Those flights are quite odd in each airlines network. 3- An
119 A330243 : Todos los partidarios DL aqu Everyone understands that.....I think that what the merger will do is allow the new United to leverage CO's strong route
120 LipeGIG : Agreed about the timing. On the short time i only can see as i pointed out, SCL being operated and may be a new year-round flight to GIG (for Deep So
121 DCAjet : Hmm? How do you think COPA, Lan Peru, and others, plus Cubana in the summer handle their catering out of COR? You make it sound like COR is an airpor
122 bobnwa : CO/UA have said who the CEO will be, but no other management appointments have been announced as far as I know. What makes you think that CO will be
123 eastern023 : Agree. Specially on deep south amerrican destinations all well covered. SCL could use IAH or even IAD (I'm even scared to say tag-on here) but why no
124 SJOtoLIR : Mexico City and Sao Paulo are the Latin American cities sustaining direct services to Asia for the time being. For those passengers traveling to Asia
125 United787 : But IAH is in the "flight path" of some major UA hubs, DEN, SFO and LAX and to some extent ORD so I do see IAH getting a boost of traffic to South Am
126 kiwiandrew : If *A does bring on board the TA/AV combination will that increase the new UA/CO influence in Latin America ? Presumably codeshared services would inc
127 2travel2know2 : Well, when it comes to MIA, AV/TA could offer UA/CO quite much if they join Star. UA/CO (+US) would put the flights from their hubs and some importan
128 SJOtoLIR : TA bears the UA code in their flights out of MIA and heading to the Central American bound: SJO, MGA, SAL, SAP, TGU, RTB and GUA. Same with US in sel
129 eastern023 : Back to the Tag ons [quote=LipeGIG,reply=120]Agreed about the timing. On the short time i only can see as i pointed out, SCL being operated and may be
130 LipeGIG : IAH-SCL with B762 can work very well in my expectation.
131 jfk777 : Lima is already operated by a 757 from IAH. SCL to IAH deserves its own 767 nonstop, but it could be a UA 763ER. There probably will be some 767 rota
132 2travel2know2 : UA/CO can't just add up frequencies to GRU, GIG or EZE as it wants. It'll not be foolish to think that the B747-400 may be seen in those airports dur
133 Cubsrule : I believe there are unused US-Argentina frequencies at the moment.
134 LipeGIG : Not to GRU, but they can to EZE and GIG. I disagree with you. UA 763 offers a superior product right now with 4 classes and a better C product. I wou
135 jfk777 : The only market in South America that has a true First Class market is Brazil. Argentina and Chile's flag airlines stopped theri own First Classes ye
136 2travel2know2 : That'll probably be the 1st UA/CO route to be flown by B767-300ER and being an IAH route does help to upgrade the aircraft.
137 LipeGIG : IAH-GIG demands something more. The 763 is not an increase over the B764 unless UA manages to also add IAD-GIG or EWR-GIG with B762 I see IAH-GIG as
138 OP3000 : Yes, it would give them the chance to add more mainline frequencies to EWR, IAD, IAH and/or ORD.
139 scorpy : I also think the new UA should be able to support a LAX-MIA route. This is an important business route that AA has it itself. maybe 2x 739ER or somet
140 C010T3 : I think that what he meant is that UA's 763 would be more premium than CO's 764, because it offers F.
141 CALPSAFltSkeds : The 772A is within 300 nm or the range of the 764ER. Could we see a seasonal swap out between EWR-European and IAH-GIG/EZE routes? With only a 15 min
142 LipeGIG : Yes it offers F , but i believe will a smaller C and Y cabins. Better to see the CO 764 being upgraded to 6F 42C or they considering the 772. MIA and
143 dcajet : I don't think so. Ask AA how well they do on their first class cabins from/to EZE. No wonder MIA-EZE-MIA is AA's most profitable route on their netwo
144 OP3000 : The addition of CO to the mix doesn't necessarily add much to the dynamics there - unless UA can really deliver on grabbing droves of the business ma
145 LipeGIG : Not only EZE-MIA but also EZE-JFK is a very good route for AA. Brazil in my view also provide good results to AA. Any way, both markets can have a be
146 jfk777 : Gee, why doesn't Delta then offer First Class to Tokyo or LHR ? AA does do very well with their 777 with First to EZE but that doesn't mean the marke
147 dcajet : 1. Because Delta does not have F in its bag of tricks 2. I did not say the F market to EZE is not limited. Isn't it limited to ANY destination in the
148 jfk777 : Its the size of the Sao Paulo market that led TAM to offer First Class. EZE & GRU show they are the FC markets in that part of teh world. FC by i
149 LipeGIG : I would include Rio de Janeiro (more) and Santiago on the list. Specially Rio can work very well as it's working for TAM with First Class service to
150 Cubsrule : If that's the case, why don't GIG and SCL see more AA 772 service? The capacity of the 772 and 763 as AA configures them is pretty close (about 25 se
151 bobnwa : When has AA ever released those figures or said that? Only a few insiders at AA would have that info, None of them would post that info on A.net.
152 LipeGIG : I can only say that AA wont see what JJ see. The crieteria to allocate a plane is probably based on the previous seasons performance. I'm sure AA904/
153 DCAJet : Bob, if you want to believe that or not , up to you. Not everything we know about airlines has to be released with their annual or quarterly figures,
154 jfk777 : AA does have 47 777, the demands on that fleet are expanding with new service to Asia from Chicago to Peking. LAN and AA are OW partners with LAN off
155 bobnwa : Since you seem to have avoided the issue, how do know those to be true? Please be specific as to revenue and costs.
156 commavia : Well, as I think you well know, people are not necessarily at liberty to describe in specific detail the "revenue and costs" of given flights for giv
157 OP3000 : I think the distinction is that EZE and GRU have significantly more First Class demand originating in the USA than SCL and GIG, especially out of MIA
158 Cubsrule : Yes, although there are plenty of 777s flying routes to Europe (and other South America routes, for that matter) where the 763 would be perfectly cap
159 LipeGIG : I agree but when we look into UA/CO, i believe there's room for First class to GIG considering the oil industry. And it's a kind of industry 85% base
160 bobnwa : MIA-EZE might very well be AA's strongest financial performers. My point is that no one posting here on A.net knows that for sure about any airline a
161 commavia : How can you be so sure? Or they may share their very own, very real first-hand experiences with these sorts of things. How do you know that people he
162 jfk777 : While Santiago probably should have a First Class service from AA, SCL can be flown by a 767 but all Asian AA flights require 777's (except LAX to NR
163 Cubsrule : AA uses no more than fifteen of its 47 772s on routes that require the 772's range. AA's equipment choice indicates that SCL "needs" a F cabin less t
164 eastern023 : Agreed. If it made sense, AA would have brought back the 777 to SCL a while back. I don’t see it as super necessary, just to get AA First product.
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