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How Is Southwest Airlines Doing In LGA?  
User currently offlinejetblue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10719 times:

It's been a while since WN started flights in LGA to BWI and MDW and I've been seeing a lot of WN flights taking off at LGA. How is WN doing in LGA? how are the loads and etc...


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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10630 times:

For year 2009, load factors were:

LGA-BWI: 74,94%
BWI-LGA: 68,63%

LGA-MDW: 80,69%
MDW-LGA: 85,33%

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User currently offlineMrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10622 times:

Quoting realsim (Reply 1):
LGA-BWI: 74,94%
BWI-LGA: 68,63%

LGA-MDW: 80,69%
MDW-LGA: 85,33%

Wow, Midway sure is generating loads for New York.



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User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10540 times:

I sure wish WN would start service between MDW and EWR! I love WN and they've become my airline of preference out of Chicago. I travel fairly often to northern and central NJ on business but would never consider flying into LGA only to have to backtrack through Manhattan to get to my destination. I have used PHL to get to central NJ, but it isn't always convenient and PHL can have substantial delays. Yes, I know EWR has bad delays, but LGA is bad as well. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'd use WN to EWR in a heartbeat if it were offered! If WN won't do it, maybe the new UA can see to reinstate service between MDW and EWR?

User currently offlinejetblue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10531 times:

I just saw on wikipedia that WN is starting DEN flights from LGA beginning May 15, nice to know that they're expanding in NYC


It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10444 times:

Here are load factors for January (the most recently available data)

CHI-NYC

AA ORD-JFK 61%
AA ORD-LGA 66%
B6 ORD-JFK 70%
DL/OH ORD-JFK 54%
DL/S5 MDW-LGA 38%
UA/S5 ORD-LGA 74%
WN MDW/LGA 77%

WAS-NYC

US DCA-LGA 38%
US/Express BWI-LGA 43%
AA/MQ BWI-JFK 67%
AA/MQ DCA-JFK 66%
DL/Connection BWI-JFK 73%
DL/Connection DCA-JFK 55%
DL/S5 DCA-LGA 29%
DL/OH IAD-JFK 59%
B6 IAD-JFK 61%
UA/Express IAD-JFK 73%
UA/Express IAD-LGA 75%
WN BWI-LGA 59%

Load factors are great in MDW - not so much in WAS, though WN doesn't necessarily have to fill planes to make money.



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User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10334 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
DL/S5 MDW-LGA 38%

Is this since WN started or has it always been that low? No wonder they're moving the flights to ORD, although I still doubt they'll do any better against UA and AA.

I keep saying, as much as I like WN, I'd still like some more options out of MDW. Maybe post merger UA could fit in a handful of MDW flights to certain markets. Even if they don't make that much money on their own, it could help as far as strengthening the "Chicago's Hometown Airline" image, something AA and WN are inevitably going to go after once the CO influence starts seeping in.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26137 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9706 times:

At an analyst call recently, SWA said they were quite pleased with LGA performance and would happily add more service if the slots and facilities were to become available.
One interesting comment they made about LGA, was that unlike most cities where they look to market outbound service to to locals, this New York service was primarily intended as a key inbound destination spoke in the SWA network, and one that many flyers had long been asking for.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13195 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9569 times:

I wonder how many of the customers are connecting to/from BWI and MDW? Anybody know?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9356 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):

At an analyst call recently, SWA said they were quite pleased with LGA performance and would happily add more service if the slots and facilities were to become available


And it seems Southwest would be the airline with more interest to get more slots in a potential US slot sale.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
DL/S5 DCA-LGA 29%

I believe this lead DL to move their shuttle to ORD-LGA



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User currently offlineluv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9125 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
US DCA-LGA 38%
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
DL/S5 DCA-LGA 29%

I'd be curious to see what the yields on these routes are. The LF's may be abysmal, but the fares on these routes command a bit of a premium, and it may be necessary to have quite a bit of extra capacity to maintain frequency and guaranteed availability. Of course, WN's success suggests that many travelers aren't willing to pay extra for that frequency/walk up seats.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8096 times:

Quoting luv2cattlecall (Reply 10):
Of course, WN's success suggests that many travelers aren't willing to pay extra for that frequency/walk up seats.

I don't know about that. BWI isn't the preferred airport for business travelers in WAS, and that's with good reason - it takes quite a while to get to D.C. from BWI - 35-40 minutes in the absolute best case. With Acela clocking in at less than 3 hours, it probably makes more sense to take the train than to fly to BWI, at least if coming from Manhattan. Given that MDW is actually closer to downtown Chicago than ORD, the dynamic is different in Chicago.



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User currently offlinejoeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 786 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5045 times:

As tiresomely pointed out by so many a.netters, the fantastic and endless "yield" associated NYC, CHI, and WAS must justify some of the crummy load factors shown above...

User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

Yields on flights between NCY/CHI/DC are very strong. Many short notice, high dollar fares. Also, the higher dollar demands frequency. Airlines can fly hourly with these loads and make money. Not sure how DL out of MDW survived, but it has now moved to ORD, so we may have the answer.

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