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Air France A380 At BOS Today  
User currently offlineptugarin From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 326 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 18517 times:

I landed at Logan this evening and saw an AF A380 parked between terminal E and the hangars. What an exciting surprise! Was it a scheduled flight or just a proof of concept flight? Also, is this only the second time A380 visits BOS? There was one visit earlier this year, the plane was in Airbus factory colors.

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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 18369 times:

I have heard that fights were rerouted from JFK at some point because of very strong winds. Maybe this was why?
What is the situation with the winds now?



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 18168 times:

AF006 CDG-JFK yesterday May 8th diverted to BOS. They had to take a much longer route than panned to avoid the ash cloud over the Atlantic and South Europe and then they had to face strong head winds.

They left CDG at 2:00 PM LT and landed in BOS at 06:15PM LT which means a flight time of 10h15 for a CDG-BOS !


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 18148 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 2):
then they had to face strong head winds.

I forgot there was the ash cloud but the diversion to Boston was because of the winds.
My information was right. Thank you for your update. I know you are reliable.  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineptugarin From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 17636 times:

Love this forum. Getting an answer to any aviation question is so easy here. Thanks everyone.

Was A380 able to use terminal E facilities or they are not quite up to date for A380? Also, if the aircraft type hadn't visited Boston earlier in the year, would Logan have been qualified to received such an unexpected guest now?


User currently offlinejonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 17580 times:

What happens now?
How do Air France get the pax / crew / aircraft back to where they should be?
I was in Boston last night arriving from Munich and the AF pax were chanelled in one area but I don't know if they were going to a hotel or to busses.
Where is the A380 now?


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 17411 times:

Saturday afternoon and into the evening, there were strong winds in excess of 40 MPH in the NY City region. Such winds were probably the key reason for some diversions from JFK. Add to that runway restrictions at JFK (due to the main one undergoing rebuilding so not available) along with reroutings leading to longer flights due to the volcanic ash issues and you had a real mix of issues that further added the need for diversions as with this AF A380.

User currently offlineicelandair75w From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 17063 times:

Plane is still in north cargo as of 8am on 5/9 .. they disembarked at the E gates as soon as it arrived and then towed to North Cargo (crew had crew rest). Not sure if pax were put up in a hotel or sent via buses to New York. Should fly out to JFK today..

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8368 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 16910 times:

Quoting icelandair75w (Reply 7):
Plane is still in north cargo as of 8am on 5/9 .. they disembarked at the E gates as soon as it arrived and then towed to North Cargo (crew had crew rest). Not sure if pax were put up in a hotel or sent via buses to New York. Should fly out to JFK today..

In the local news they said that half the passengers were immediately bused to NY and the other half was put in hotels, and would be bused to NY this morning.
Anyone know if it's still there and if so what time it may be leaving?


User currently offlineflpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2123 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 16492 times:

Hi all,

This is the 3rd visit of an A380 actually. AF006 F-HPJA diverted to Boston back in March also because of unfavorable winds in JFK.

Aircraft today is again F-HPJA. Look for it to leave around 8pm to JFK.



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12633 times:

This is why I love A.Net. I just crossed the pond and landed in BOS and was going to have the same question. Thanks everyone.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlinebingo From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12432 times:

I just flew in to Boston and was floored to see the A380 sitting off to the side by the UPS Ramp. It's a very windy day in Washington, NYC and Boston. The A319 I flew in on was all over the place on final. Never would have guessed that the rough ride in from DCA would have led to such a treat. AF and Airbus, she is so pretty. Bravo!

User currently offlinebingo From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12392 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 8):
In the local news they said that half the passengers were immediately bused to NY and the other half was put in hotels, and would be bused to NY this morning.

There is a huge Technology Conference in town right now. I hate to think of the poor gate agents having to find that many rooms.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 8):
Anyone know if it's still there and if so what time it may be leaving?

It was still there as of 1:30pm when I flew in.


User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10704 times:

It is the 2nd or 3rd time this flight, this particular aircraft diverted here due to the runways closure in JFK. My question is this: All times was the crosswind component was too excessive. Does the A380 have a lower crosswind component than other aircraft? Because no other aircraft were diverting yesterday for the crosswind components to my knowledge.

User currently offlineptugarin From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10359 times:

Did connecting passengers gets bussed to JFK as well, or they were accommodated on connecting flights out of BOS?

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8368 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10157 times:

Quoting jcarv (Reply 13):
It is the 2nd or 3rd time this flight, this particular aircraft diverted here due to the runways closure in JFK. My question is this: All times was the crosswind component was too excessive. Does the A380 have a lower crosswind component than other aircraft? Because no other aircraft were diverting yesterday for the crosswind components to my knowledge.

Interesting question althought I think we have to also take into consideration that longer route it took to get around the ash cloud and the very strong head winds it encountered in the process. They may have not taken enough fuel to risk going all the way to JFK and then have to divert, and just played it safe.


User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8596 times:

Got a good look at it from the Term E departures roadway this morning. First time actually seeing the plane...legit doesnt even cut it.

On its way to JFK as we speak
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR381V



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User currently offlineLufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8581 times:

Quoting jcarv (Reply 13):
It is the 2nd or 3rd time this flight, this particular aircraft diverted here due to the runways closure in JFK. My question is this: All times was the crosswind component was too excessive. Does the A380 have a lower crosswind component than other aircraft? Because no other aircraft were diverting yesterday for the crosswind components to my knowledge.

As far as I know, the A380 has a normal crosswind tolerance, as demonstrated by the video of it landing in Iceland. Just a guess on my part, but could it also be because of the relatively low number of hours AF crews have for the A380? It may be with a relatively inexperienced crew for the type that they would rather play it safe instead of taking some risks with an a/c that they do not completely know the ins and outs of.



...and just to head of criticism: I am aware that the pilots are trained well and "know" the performance of the aircraft that they are flying. But there is a big difference between racking up hours in a sim and a few test flights, and having actually flown the aircraft for an extended period and being familiar with the little intricacies of the aircraft and it's systems.



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User currently offlineaviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8552 times:

I saw it parked there this morning. My thoughts were the same as every other time I've laid eyes on an A380: That's one hideous, tragic-looking plane -- a true calamity of industrial design.

Anyway, I can vouch for the unusually long flight times over the North Atlantic, thanks to the ash. I operated a flight back to New York from the Middle East yesterday. Our normal flight time on the route is about 11.5 hours. This time it was just a hair under 13. We left about 35 non-revs at the gate thanks to payload restriction. The route took us to 70 degrees north, way, way up over Greenland. Spectacular views up there.


P



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User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8378 times:

Quoting Lufthansa411 (Reply 17):
...and just to head of criticism: I am aware that the pilots are trained well and "know" the performance of the aircraft that they are flying. But there is a big difference between racking up hours in a sim and a few test flights, and having actually flown the aircraft for an extended period and being familiar with the little intricacies of the aircraft and it's systems.

Agreed. Goes with the "just because it can doesn't mean you should" moniker



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