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CO Jet Makes Emergency Landing At EWR 5/9  
User currently offlineewrkid From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15692 times:

I didn't see anyone post this,


Here's the link: http://www.trentonian.com/articles/2...news/doc4be7115c05fe7883765046.txt



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User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14972 times:

Here's a picture on a CNN website...I dont think its a stock photo:

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/09...j-after-hydraulics-problem/?hpt=T2

Some funny comments to go with the article!



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14910 times:

Quoting Airportugal310 (Reply 1):
Some funny comments to go with the article!

God, that's why I don't read comments on news sites. I don't even know why news sites have comments. What is to be gained by reading the reactions of random dunderheads to factual information?

At least on a discussion forum like this, there's a certain level of required knowledge implied or you wouldn't even join up and post, lest you get taken down a peg by those who do know better. But news sites attract any old nut, and there's nobody there to tell them what's what.



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14863 times:

Quoting Airportugal310 (Reply 1):
Some funny comments to go with the article!

Thanks, that was great!


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14827 times:

This was Flt. CO 9, EWR-NRT (?-Japan per news). I wonder if this is the same a/c that did a major tail drag about 2 years ago, that was also an EWR-NRT flight. Apperently there was a hydralic problem just after leaving the runway or shortly thereafter.

User currently offlineDWController From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14644 times:

Amazing work by the crew and atc. Have the ATC audio and a ground video here.

Aircraft lost a hydraulic system after take off, tower reported debris and smoke from aircraft. Over 270 souls on board. At 1900 they reported emergency to atc then stayed between 3000-5000 to dump fuel over NJ before coming back to EWR.

http://www.box.net/shared/3ccex1l5ki

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XORgDkaV_xk&hd=1

[Edited 2010-05-09 21:02:47]


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User currently offlineborax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12679 times:

"I love the smell of Jet-A in the morning"

User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2443 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12003 times:

Wow that was incredibly low for dumping fuel- hopefully they killed a few skeeters in the process.

Glad everything turned out okay.



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11261 times:

I love how the pilot gives the Jetlink flight his email so that he can get pictures of the fuel dump!


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User currently onlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2489 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9765 times:

Quoting DWController (Reply 5):
Amazing work by the crew and atc

Not so sure. the pilot tells ATC he wants to dump fuel, and ATC gives him a hold at "Soleburg" on the 120 radial, 10 mile legs. Not the best of ideas, when dumping fuel, to be holding. Its best to dump fuel at level flight. In fact, the pilot can be heard not even reading back the clearance, just saying "ok thanks".

Mind you, the pilot did want to stay close to the airport, but still, a hold is not the best of solutions. Vectors would be more adequate. Preferably longer legs than 10nm.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2010-05-10 10:51:29]


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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9613 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 12):

Not so sure. the pilot tells ATC he wants to dump fuel, and ATC gives him a hold at "Soleburg" on the 120 radial. Not the best of ideas, when dumping fuel, to be holding. Its best to dump fuel at level flight.

He was circling the Solberg VOR (SBJ), for those that are interested.



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User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9545 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 12):
Not so sure. the pilot tells ATC he wants to dump fuel, and ATC gives him a hold at "Soleburg" on the 120 radial, 10 mile legs. Not the best of ideas, when dumping fuel, to be holding. Its best to dump fuel at level flight. In fact, the pilot can be heard not even reading back the clearance, just saying "ok thanks".

Mind you, the pilot did want to stay close to the airport, but still, a hold is not the best of solutions. Vectors would be more adequate. Preferably longer legs than 10nm.

One could argue two points with this:

1) Pilot(s) didnt have to take that if they didnt want it or find it acceptable

and/or

2) Plane would fly the hold for them and that would leave them with time to figure out other things on their agenda, instead of having to listen for vectors every so often.

Just saying.



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User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2443 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9030 times:

You may need to zoom in on this to see the hold and flight track:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight_t...=1273418580&arrivaltime=1273500870



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User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7998 times:
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Quoting newark777 (Reply 13):
He was circling the Solberg VOR (SBJ), for those that are interested.

That would explain the "Unconfirmed Reports" on NJ101.5 that a Continental Airlines jet would be making an emergency landing at Solberg/Hunterdon Airport. I knew it probably wasn't true especially since they were dumping fuel and if they had time to do that they had time to make it to ABE or EWR.



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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 865 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7681 times:

Was there an aircraft swap or did they repair and use the same plane for the flight to NRT? The Continental website indicates ship 20 flew to Japan.

Edit: It also looks like the return flight to EWR was cancelled. Was the plane taken out of service or was the cancellation for another reason?

[Edited 2010-05-10 13:06:43]


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User currently offlinePlateMan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7453 times:

Well one guy quoted by the local CBS station was upset about the "fuel smell."

http://wcbstv.com/local/plane.problems.fuel.2.1683672.html


A guy on the ground told CBS: ".....people like Eric Seaman were happy the plane landed safely, he's not happy about the air he's now breathing.
"I don't know, call me old-fashioned, but something about it makes me think it might not be too great for you," Seaman said. "

CBS says "The flyover wasn't the only thing that had people on the ground concerned."
"The overpowering smell of jet fuel blanketed parts of Somerset County. After about an hour, the plane returned to Newark and landed safely."



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User currently onlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2489 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7154 times:

Did the plane fly the hold at a single altitude? From what i know about ATC procedures pertaining to fuel dumps, you have to isolate the airspace (10-15 nautical miles each side of the dump track) the aircraft dumps fuel in, up to 10-15 mins after the fuel dump is complete. That's a big chunk of airspace that needs to be protected for up to 45mins to an hour, depending on how long it takes a 777 to dump fuel. No aircraft can penetrate that airspace, at least that's the way we do it up here in Canada.

Therefore, if that 777 was still dumping fuel while in the hold, he should have technically been climbing by 1000 or 2000 ft after each hold cycle. Was this the case? If not, then either we up here in Canada are over-safe, or the FAA procedures need to be revued.....

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2010-05-10 13:34:05]


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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6348 times:

Here's the story from the Newark Star-Ledger, note the comments on the bottom that mention the smell of fuel on the ground.

http://www.nj.com/messenger-gazette/index.ssf/2010/05/post_7.html



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User currently offlineewrkid From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5730 times:

"Please tell the health dept in your location of the actual contact. The regulations say off shore dumping is the first choice. This was a clear violation of regulations and has impacts. If you smell it it's in the air and in your lungs, if it's in your lungs it's on you and is probably on the ground."

I love this persons comment like they actually wanted to do this and wanted people to complain about it, I wish people would know what they are talking about before they speak!! That must have been a heavy plane as it said about 275 people out of 283 were on board almost a full flight!!


User currently offlineHangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5112 times:

Quote:
I knew it probably wasn't true especially since they were dumping fuel and if they had time to do that they had time to make it to ABE or EWR.

Even Morristown would be preferrable to Solberg, although there were one or two Citations based there and IIRC the runway has huge over runs.

The reason people got excited about the possiblity of a large jet landing at Solberg is that there were rumors circulating for years that the state had purchased it to develop as a secondary commercial airport for north Jersey.

Does anyone know more about the nature of the hydraulic problem?



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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

I can't believe so many people thought that a 777 would even think of landing at Solberg. Does this look like a 777 capable airport to anyone?




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User currently offlineiahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3433 posts, RR: 41
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4882 times:
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Aircraft was Ship 006 swap was Ship 020

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 4):
I wonder if this is the same a/c that did a major tail drag about 2 years ago, that was also an EWR-NRT fligh

No.. That was Ship 008



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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 865 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 21):
Aircraft was Ship 006 swap was Ship 020

The return flight the following day--likely scheduled to also be with ship 20--was canceled. Did that aircraft go out of service as well?



Pilot: "Request push, which way should we face?" JFK Ground: "You better face the front, sir, or you'll scare the pax!"
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